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500Nitro
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Re: What IS this? [Re: Huvius]
#102245 - 12/04/08 12:40 AM

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I could see that line being a burn mark from escaping gas. Perhaps as stated earlier from a ruptured case.
Interestingly, I was looking at a H&H shotgun the other day and it had a circular groove around each pin with a straight radial groove extending laterally to the outer edge of each face. This was apparently in an effort to direct any gasses from a burst primer or case to the outside. It does not have bushed primers of course. Although the shotgun was presumably built this way, it is suspiciously similar to how this rifle has been eroded. Perhaps this problem had been observed before and the solution was to offer the gases an escape route which replicates the direction it wants to take in the event of a shell base failure.
Just wondering outloud...

Yep, I used to have a rifle like that.

What age was the Shotgun ?

Was it a Scott made Holland ?

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tinker
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Re: What IS this? [Re: 500Nitro]
#102248 - 12/04/08 12:51 AM

Like this.

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Huvius
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Re: What IS this? [Re: tinker]
#102252 - 12/04/08 01:17 AM

Excellent photo! On the gun I saw, the escape routes went straight out rather than at an angle.
This particular Holland was very interesting... It has stepped sideplates, marked "Royal" on the belly, and has a side-lever. #2 of a pair. Not sure of the date of man. or if it will be for sale.
The shop owner is researching it.

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500Nitro
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Re: What IS this? [Re: Huvius]
#102254 - 12/04/08 01:23 AM

Huvius

Mine went straight out of the side.

If it's a Sidelever, have you looked at Stephen Grant
as a possible maker ? (if it's the Sidelever I am thinking of).

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Huvius
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Re: What IS this? [Re: 500Nitro]
#102269 - 12/04/08 07:26 AM

Well, it is for sale. MW Reynolds is carrying it. I'm sure it will be up on Mark's website soon.
Really neat gun - nitro proved too.

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dnovo
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Re: What IS this? [Re: Huvius]
#102284 - 12/04/08 10:22 AM

Mark is a decent sort. Any idea of asking price? Dave

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Huvius
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Re: What IS this? [Re: dnovo]
#102293 - 12/04/08 11:46 AM

I believe he said $14,500.
I would love to have it.

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Marrakai
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Re: What IS this? [Re: dnovo]
#102294 - 12/04/08 11:48 AM

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how would this be repaired correctly?

Huvius:
The correct repair may be to install larger-diameter discs, but the position of the locking screws doesn't give you much room to move (if you want to retain them). This was probably not an uncommon repair IMHO, as I have seen several DRs over the years with overly-large striker-discs, including a .470.

As for the vertical mark, no idea. Would need to establish what it actually is before suggesting remedial action.

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Huvius
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Re: What IS this? [Re: Marrakai]
#102298 - 12/04/08 12:03 PM

This being a .318, I wonder if that would even be safe. May end up with a disc of a bigger diameter than the base of the cartridge.
Could this be tig welded and refiled? At least then it may be possibe to keep the same sized discs and the lock screw.
Obviously a high skill repair is needed. May be worth it if the price is knocked down by 2/3...
Not crazy for the iguana, snake and monkey-headed sea monster engraving motif though...

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tinker
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Re: What IS this? [Re: Huvius]
#102301 - 12/04/08 01:23 PM

Dave-

Is there a corresponding mark on the right barrel flat to the line on action flat?

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dnovo
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Re: What IS this? [Re: tinker]
#102334 - 12/04/08 10:56 PM

I have never seen the rifle, only photos. My friend said no mark like this on the other side. Dave

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tinker
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Re: What IS this? [Re: dnovo]
#102347 - 13/04/08 02:01 AM

Dave-

My question was to explore the possibility of that line being a 'track' that hot gas may have been following.
It would stand to reason that if there was a mark from gas flow cutting the standing breech and action flat, there'd be a corresponding mark on the barrel flat directly opposite it.

Just thinking aloud...

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Paul
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Re: What IS this? [Re: tinker]
#102470 - 14/04/08 03:10 PM

As an ignoramus, burn marks from an overload seems most likely. It was not done by a tool as it goes right through the lock screw - unless the smith didn't even see that. The mark leading down to the watertable does now look like a weld, on my large LCD screen, but gas flow from above. If it were a welded crack, surely it would run out to the side below the standing breech.

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ArnoldB
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Re: What IS this? [Re: Paul]
#102492 - 14/04/08 11:32 PM

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It was not done by a tool as it goes right through the lock screw - unless the smith didn't even see that.

You're right, I retract my comment.

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MacNaughton360
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Re: What IS this? [Re: dnovo]
#103571 - 26/04/08 11:53 AM

I'd want to go at the line with a thumbnail or a piece of 4/0 steel wool.
I feel it's on the surface, and could/would wipe off.
It could be from a stray cleaning patch fiber caught in a liberally lubricated action when it was closed. Notice the red goo above the lower latch?
As for the circular scar, it looks like a screwdriver turned by hand in a milling machine or drillpress spindle broke because the dumb*** didn't remove the retaining screw before trying to get the bushing out. It looks to me like a gall mark from a broken tool.
Isn't gas cutting smoother than that?

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