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JabaliHunter
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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: poprivit]
      #102781 - 18/04/08 08:38 PM

From BBC news this morning:
South African dock workers are refusing to unload a shipment of arms from China destined for Zimbabwe.

The South African Transport and Allied Workers Union (Satawu) said it did not agree with the government's decision not to intervene in the matter.

"Our members employed at Durban container terminal will not unload this cargo, neither will any of our members in the truck-driving sector move this cargo by road," Satawu's general secretary, Randall Howard, told local media.

Reports say the Chinese cargo ship, the An Yue Jiang, anchored off Durban, is carrying 3m rounds of ammunition and 1,500 rockets.


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: poprivit]
      #102809 - 19/04/08 02:38 AM

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I just returned from Botswana yesterday (Cape Buffalo with a 458 Lott. Worked as advertised.




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Mugabwe is worth an estimated 100 billion dollars and is 84+.




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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #102810 - 19/04/08 02:40 AM

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South African dock workers are refusing to unload a shipment of arms from China destined for Zimbabwe.

The South African Transport and Allied Workers Union (Satawu) said it did not agree with the government's decision not to intervene in the matter.





Good on the Unions!

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #102838 - 19/04/08 05:27 AM

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South African dock workers are refusing to unload a shipment of arms from China destined for Zimbabwe.

The South African Transport and Allied Workers Union (Satawu) said it did not agree with the government's decision not to intervene in the matter.





Good on the Unions!




Second that!


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: ]
      #102891 - 19/04/08 12:36 PM

NitroX - I'll have photos and story as soon as my shadow catches up with me. Think it's still 3 time zones behind

The gist of the hunt was -

PH "Lord, that's a BIG buffalo."
Me "Thank you Jack Lott"


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: poprivit]
      #103180 - 22/04/08 01:42 PM

Chinese shipment is headed for mozambique now...

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: poprivit]
      #103210 - 22/04/08 10:37 PM

Poprivit

While I agree with everything you stated--it has been that way unfortunately for quite some time--I was there huning in 2004 and 2005--was the same way then..

As to Aids--I saw an article some time ago where it was reported 3000 people were dying per WEEK because of Aids...it is horrible...

Curiously reading your story as I am heading over to Zim in 3 Weeks---will definitely be keeping certain items with me at all times in the chance a hasty retreat is warranted..

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Ripp]
      #103303 - 23/04/08 05:08 PM

Africa gets impatient with Mugabe

Posted 9 hours 25 minutes ago

South Africa's ruling party leader Jacob Zuma has called for African action to resolve Zimbabwe's crisis, amid signs of increasing regional impatience with President Robert Mugabe.

Maritime southern African states refused to allow a Chinese ship carrying arms to landlocked Zimbabwe to unload, in unprecedented action towards Mr Mugabe by long-passive neighbours, including traditional allies.

The action indicated a tougher response by the region, which has been criticised for not doing more to end a three-week delay in issuing results from the presidential election on March 29.

Opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai says he won the vote and Mr Mugabe's 28-year rule is over.

"It's not acceptable. It's not helping the Zimbabwean people who have gone out to ... elect the kind of party and presidential candidate they want, exercising their constitutional right," African National Congress (ANC) leader Mr Zuma said in an interview in Berlin.

Mr Zuma, who has distanced himself from the "quiet diplomacy" of South African President Thabo Mbeki over Zimbabwe, added: "I imagine that the leaders in Africa should really move in to unlock this logjam.

"Concretely this means African countries should identify some people to go in there, probably talk to both parties, call them and ask them what the problem is, as well as the electoral commission".

Mr Zuma toppled Mr Mbeki as ANC leader last December and has gradually increased his power at the expense of the president. Analysts say he has seized on Zimbabwe as a golden opportunity to improve his international image and influence.

Mr Tsvangirai called for African leaders to acknowledge that he won the vote, saying Mugabe would be allowed an honourable exit.

Africa's reputation would suffer "serious disrepute" if Mr Mugabe stayed in power, he said in Accra.

Zimbabwe has postponed an annual summit of Africa's largest trading bloc which it was scheduled to host next month because of the election impasse, state television reported.

The 19-nation Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA), chaired by Zimbabwe, was scheduled to hold a two-week summit from May 1-15.

China said earlier that it may have to bring its arms ship home after it was unable to unload in southern African ports.

The United States said it was pleased by the statement after discouraging Beijing from sending arms to Zimbabwe and asking neighbouring states not to let it dock.

Zambia, which has been one of the more critical countries in the region over a crisis that has wrecked Zimbabwe's economy, urged neighbouring states to bar the ship from entering their waters, saying the weapons could deepen the election crisis.

Zambia is chair of the regional group SADC (Southern African Development Community).

The Chinese ship was unable to unload in its original destination of Durban on the Indian Ocean coast after trade unions - which are allies of Mr Zuma - refused to handle the cargo, saying the weapons could be used against the Opposition.

After it left South Africa, both Mozambique and Angola said it was not welcome.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #103310 - 23/04/08 10:09 PM

As to the chinese ship--thought I read something a day or two ago where a US warship was not allowing the ship to dock and unload its goods--not sure how that progressed--

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Ripp]
      #103313 - 23/04/08 10:20 PM

it was the south african dock workers union, that did'nt want to unload the ship, and then a court decision stating that the shipment was not allowed through SA. so the chinese ship is going back to china after a few other countrys followed suite and wouldent let the ship unload in there ports.
bob is missing his hardware now.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: peter]
      #103324 - 24/04/08 12:26 AM

Wednesdy 10.39 GMT
BBC - The Chinese ship carrying a consignment of weapons destined for Zimbabwe, the An Yue Jiang, has disappeared once again, but it is thought to be heading up the west coast of Africa from the Cape of Good Hope.

It has been refused permission to dock in South Africa and Mozambique, and Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa has urged other African leaders not to allow it to enter their territorial waters.

The Lloyds Maritime Intelligence Unit (MIU) in London, which plots the location of ships around the world, says it is no longer possible to accurately establish exactly where the vessel is because readings are no longer being taken from its AIS (Automatic Identification System).

The AIS is a location beacon which every ship carries, which has a range of about 40-50 nautical miles.

It is possible that the An Yue Jiang is more than 50 nautical miles from the coast and is therefore not being picked up or that the AIS has been switched off.

The Lloyds MIU says that plotting points taken of the Chinese ship on Tuesday show that it was steaming north-west up the African coast at a speed of about 250 nautical miles a day.

The US is reported to be pressuring port authorities in Angola and Namibia - staunch allies of Zimbabwe's leader - not to allow them to dock.


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #103326 - 24/04/08 12:35 AM

Congo anyone?

Mugabe owns mines in the Congo and also Angola. I think.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #103338 - 24/04/08 04:00 AM

I think it's not unlikely that the ship will transfer it's weapons cargo onto another Chinese ship offshore. Which will then unload the forbidden containers marked as containing something else. With the help of a few under the table payments. This is actually not uncommon in cases like this.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: EricD]
      #103354 - 24/04/08 06:18 AM

Hopefully now with Zuma looking for a way to save face on the international front, ending this nonsense may not be impossible. Of course with the right amount of pressure and monetary persuasion anything can happen.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: ]
      #103379 - 24/04/08 08:21 AM

The problem is that Zuma will perhaps solve the Zim problem and then by doing so make himself more acceptable to the bleeding hearts in the west, whilst he (Zuma) goes on to fuck South Africa royaly when he gets into power there.
He will also by interceeding on the behalf of the MDC in Zim earn himself political favours there preventing anyone from interceeding in SA after he is in power.


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #103384 - 24/04/08 10:40 AM

i have just recieved an email from a friend in zimbabwe today. he was hesitant to say too much regarding current events there, fearing eavesdropping, but he said and i quote," there's going to be war here or genocide"! don't know him to exagerate all that much so things must be quite difficult. he also said a packet of smokes cost $100,000,000.00Z they were $30,000,000 a carton in febuary.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: rscott]
      #103386 - 24/04/08 11:47 AM

Today from my Ph, Rich Tabor, who lives in Harare:

"Hi John

Attached is an invite letter you might need it on the south african side.

Well everything is still all good this side nothing has changed much. Will hopefully be getting my sat phone tomorrow for you on the hunt.

Well shall see you at 9 pm on monday have a good flight.

Best

Rich"

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: Bramble]
      #103401 - 24/04/08 01:34 PM

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The problem is that Zuma will perhaps solve the Zim problem and then by doing so make himself more acceptable to the bleeding hearts in the west, whilst he (Zuma) goes on to fuck South Africa royaly when he gets into power there.
He will also by interceeding on the behalf of the MDC in Zim earn himself political favours there preventing anyone from interceeding in SA after he is in power.




I agree with deathby600 Zuma will at least bring an audience of local african leaders to bear which puts pressure back on him to make things better. [The whole world is watching]I know its a wrotten apple for a wrotten orange but its better than all out war within this region- which seems ready to kick off at any moment.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: ]
      #103405 - 24/04/08 02:01 PM

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Hopefully now with Zuma looking for a way to save face on the international front ...




The latest "face saving" tactic of ZANU-PF is to offer the winning opposition a "Government of National Unity" which Mugabe will of course lead.

Same old deal.

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #103421 - 24/04/08 10:13 PM

JPK,
yes i've noticed in the last four years amazing differences between Harare and areas in the north, and Matabeleland. three months ago, there was nothing in the shops in bulawao, no soft drinks, beers, no mealie meal, etc. power outages leaving rotting meat in the coolers, water cuts for 6 to 8 days at a time. it is like two different countries!


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: rscott]
      #103437 - 25/04/08 01:17 AM

It is my guess that the arms will be offloaded along the west coast onto smaller vessels,landed and then flown or trucked into Rhodesia.
The rivers and plains will run red before this is all over.
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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: rscott]
      #103487 - 25/04/08 12:03 PM

There isn't that much difference. Matebeleland see's less of everthing than Harare, but then Baltimore sees less of everything compared to Washington DC -and prices overall reflect that too.

Mugabe hates Matebele's that is clear and his past actions more than reflect that. But this time around Shonas ditched him and it is Shona who will pay for that, hence the violence north and east of Harare and the lack of it anywhere near Bulawayo, yet.

JPK

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: NitroX]
      #103524 - 26/04/08 01:07 AM

Zimbabwe police raid opposition, election offices

By ANGUS SHAW – 1 hour ago

HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — Heavily armed police swooped down on opposition headquarters and independent election observers' offices on Friday, arresting hundreds and beating and shoving scores of people in the clearest signal to date that the government intends to hold on to power.

Police seized material on vote counting from both offices in raids that came a day after the United States declared opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai had won the presidential elections. Zimbabweans are still awaiting official results. The opposition charges that President Robert Mugabe is using violence and coercion to hold on to power.

The opposition Movement for Democratic Change and the independent Zimbabwe Electoral Support Network both claim Tsvangirai won the vote, based on their own surveys of results posted at ballot stations.

A ZESN board member, who witnessed the raid and spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of arrest, said police ransacked files, looking for documentation on the results.

Noel Kututwa, chairman of the organization, said police wanted to arrest him and his deputy, Rindai Chipfunde-Vava, but that both were away from the office. He said they were both in hiding and accused police of trying to intimidate the group so it would be too weak to monitor a possible run-off.

"They said they were looking for subversive material likely to overthrow government using unconstitutional means," Kututwa told The Associated Press.

The MDC said in a statement that some 250 heavily armed officers raided the building, taking away some 300 people, including staff members.

The opposition said most of those arrested — including pregnant women and mothers with small children — had been seeking refuge after being attacked by ruling party loyalists.

"Their homes were burned," Thokozani Khupe, an MDC vice president said. "Some have been brutally assaulted."

Police said the officers raided Harvest House, headquarters of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change, in search of suspects responsible for the violence that has erupted in Zimbabwe in the wake of last month's disputed elections.

Assistant Police Commissioner Wayne Bvudzijena said he could not say how many people were rounded up. He said the suspects were responsible for "crimes that were committed in the countryside."

Police could not immediately be reached for comment on the raid on the offices of the election observers.

Police took computers and equipment, and searched for key election-related documents, the MDC said.

The opposition and independent religious and human rights groups have accused Mugabe's regime of a violent crackdown on dissent since the poll almost a month ago.

Mugabe's officials have countered by accusing the opposition of violence.

Nearly four weeks after the elections, the presidential results — which the MDC claims show their candidate, Morgan Tsvangirai, as the victor — have not been published and a partial recount of the parliamentary elections continues.

The opposition has accused Mugabe of withholding the presidential election results while he plots how to keep power, and says he is orchestrating a campaign of retribution that the MDC says has killed at least 10 of its supporters.

"We think in this situation we have a clear victor: Morgan Tsvangirai won, and perhaps outright," U.S. envoy Jendayi Frazer said during a visit to South Africa Thursday.

Frazer, assistant U.S. secretary of state for African affairs, is on a visit to southern Africa to raise international pressure on the government in Zimbabwe. She was in Angola for a meeting Friday with President Eduardo dos Santos, as was a delegation sent by Mugabe. Angola is a close ally of Zimbabwe.

She is also scheduled to travel to Zambia for talks with President Levy Mwanawasa, the current head of the Southern African Development Community of 15 nations, which is thought to have some sway over the intransigent Zimbabwean leader.

Mugabe's delegation to Angola was led by Emmerson Mnangagwa, the feared former security minister once touted as Mugabe's possible successor. Mnangagwa also had led Zimbabwe's delegation to the recent regional summit on Zimbabwe in Zambia.

Details on the message Mugabe was sending via the Mnangagwa delegation were not immediately available. The delegation was scheduled to meet with Dos Santos shortly before Frazer's talks with the Angolan leader.


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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: ]
      #103531 - 26/04/08 01:52 AM

Been reading the news and the posts here.

All I can think of is "The Congo-isation of Zimbabwe".

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Re: More trouble for Zim [Re: 9.3x57]
      #103715 - 28/04/08 12:39 AM

HARARE, Zimbabwe - A recount of disputed legislative seats has confirmed opposition control of parliament and should be complete Monday, allowing the release of results from last month's presidential election, state media reported.

The Sunday Mail newspaper, a government mouthpiece, said the state Electoral Commission planned to invite President Robert Mugabe and opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai to a final "verification and collation exercise" on Monday.

The opposition and an independent Zimbabwean observer group say that Tsvangirai won the presidential race, and Mugabe has been accused of using delays, fraud and violence to hold onto power.

On Sunday, Jendayi Frazer, the top U.S. envoy for Africa called on the international community to intervene.

"When a government deploys its military, and its police, and its intelligence operatives, as well as mobilizing youth militia, then the international community has a responsibility to step in and to try to stop that government from beating its own population," Frazer said in an interview with The Associated Press in Zambia.

Frazer, assistant U.S. secretary of state for African affairs, is touring the region to press leaders to take a tougher stance against Mugabe.

Justice Minister Patrick Chinamasa, a Mugabe loyalist, has criticized Frazer for her statements earlier in the week backing claims that Tsvangirai beat Mugabe.

The Sunday Mail newspaper said tallies from the presidential race would be scrutinized by the candidates or their representatives before results are given.

Leaving room for a further delay, election authorities agreed each party would collate its own figures during the final verification stage, said Judge George Chiweshe, head of the electoral commission.

Even if Mugabe retains the presidency, he will have to deal with a defiant parliament.

The Sunday Mail said the recount of 18 of 23 contested seats confirmed the initial results. Even if the opposition lost the last five districts, it would still hold the majority in parliament for the first time since independence from Britain in 1980.

On Saturday, the electoral commission confirmed the results in 10 disputed parliamentary votes: six seats were taken by the opposition and four by Mugabe's ZANU-PF party.

Tallies from the additional eight recounted seats have not been released but Chiweshe told reporters Saturday there were no significant differences between the two counts, effectively confirming the opposition's control of the main 210-seat House of Assembly.

Political tensions have increased since security forces on Friday raided the offices of the opposition and independent observers, seizing materials related to the count.

Police confirmed Saturday that they arrested 215 people in a raid on opposition headquarters in Harare. They also said they searched the offices of the observer group, the independent Zimbabwe Election Support Network, looking for evidence that the Western-funded organization bribed state election officials to rig polling results.

The opposition said those arrested were seeking refuge in the capital, Harare, after being attacked by ruling party loyalists in the countryside.


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