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bigdog
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Blaser S2 doubles opinions??
      #100327 - 26/03/08 07:45 AM

Has anyone owned or fired a Blaser double in 470 or 500 nitro. I was wandering what your thoughts were on the gun. Strength, looks, value? Thanks for any first hand information.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #100329 - 26/03/08 08:00 AM

I had one in a smaller caliber and have handled them in the 500. They are built nicely, but I prefer a Merkel which I feel is a bit stonger and built to more 'traditional' tastes. The saftey/cocking system on the Blaser is an acquired taste I never acquired. UMMV. Dave

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #100372 - 26/03/08 01:29 PM

Needs recocking each time you open the action. I don't

like that. I don't like it's looks/lines. I don't like it at all.

I hope I have made myself clear that I don't like it.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: dnovo]
      #100400 - 26/03/08 09:56 PM

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I prefer a Merkel which I feel is a bit stonger and built to more 'traditional' tastes. The saftey/cocking system on the Blaser is an acquired taste I never acquired.



My thoughts too. No I haven't fired it in either of the 2 calibres mentioned.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #100407 - 26/03/08 10:51 PM

I sold my S2 light caliber when I simply could not get used to the safety/cocking system. If you want a DR for dangerous game use, I feel that the simpler the better and the Blaser system is not that. Very nice wood and metal finish, but I'd still go with a Merkel. Dave

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: dnovo]
      #100444 - 27/03/08 05:27 AM

I've had two - 500/416 and 470. Both broke numerous times.
Forend cracked in half. on the 500/416. Right barrel on 500/416 not bored properly, would only accept the widely-popular WR (not Westley Richards) non-SAMMI spec ammo not available on the West Coast of the US. The 470 had never been fired for regulation - they used a laser. Matter of fact, the barrels had never been on an action. POI crossed by 4.5 inches at 50 yards. After $450 spent in regulation, I found that the 470 stock was cracked at the wrist. Would have broken off within a few more shots; nice to contemplate when there's a Cape buffalo 30 yards in front of the sights.

Go pick up a Heym. The S2 is a club with metal parts. The Heym is a double rifle. I wouldn't use the S2 to hunt rabid hamsters. Both rifles went back to Blaser.

Oh, and customer service sucked!

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: poprivit]
      #100453 - 27/03/08 08:18 AM

A ringing endorsement worthy of the product. I didn't have your bad experience as I didn't keep mine long enough to get past the wacky cocking/safety issue and the gun went bye-bye fast. I can say that Merkel service is outstanding and have never heard anything about Heym other than good feedback. I am waiting on my first Heym DR, but the straight pull bolt in 300WM set up for CISM functions flawlessly and the workmanship is top drawer. Dave

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: dnovo]
      #100793 - 30/03/08 03:25 AM

Well,.... I hate to hear all the negative comments, but I appreciate the honesty. I picked up a Luxus S2 in 500 nitro, so I guess we will see how it shoots. I hope it is better than the above stories. I will let you know in a few weeks after I shoot it some.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #100825 - 30/03/08 09:25 AM

Sorry. I honestly did not mean to rain on your rifle. It may work just fine for you, I may have gotten a lemon and your experience with yours may be better. It may also suit you where mine did not suit me. I do know from my Blaser LSR2 multi-caliber tactical/target that they not only can and do build well, but my minor service issues were dealt with quite well. I just could not deal with the particular design on the S2 so you may do quite well with yours. Taste is personal, and we may all be wrong on ours. Good luck and again, I am sorry for the negative comments on your DR. Dave

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: dnovo]
      #100894 - 31/03/08 02:26 AM

Dnovo, no apologies needed. The cocking with the safety is uncomfortable for a lot of people because it is different. It does take some getting used too.We will see how she does in a few weeks when I take her out shooting. thanks for the input.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #100908 - 31/03/08 04:07 AM

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Dnovo, no apologies needed. The cocking with the safety is uncomfortable for a lot of people because it is different. It does take some getting used too.We will see how she does in a few weeks when I take her out shooting. thanks for the input.




Bigdog, you will always get bad feed back on the Blazer double rifles, when chambered for cartridges primarily used for dangerous game! The Krieghoff gets some of that as well, but the Blazer cocking system has one very serious draw-back for a close quarters fight with a Cape Buffalo, or ele! That draw-back is the rifle must be recocked after every reloading, the Krieghoff, however re-cocks it's self when the action is opened. The Blazer system is a mauling waiting to happen, if the first two doesn't do the trick, IMO.

The whole idea of a double rifle for dangerous game is, a properly designed double rifle is the most reliable system in the world. The very limited number of movements needed to get off two of the quickest "AIMED" shots is it's first value. The blazer, and Krieghoff can do that as well as any double. The Krieghoff's use of the de-cocking system is fine, because it is used for a safety,so the rifle can be carried loaded with complete confidence. However when the fight begins, and the rifle is cocked, then the krieghoff rifle, there after, works exactly the same as any other hammerless double rifle. You fire the first two shot, break, and reload the chambers, and slam the rifle shut, and pull the triggers two more times. The blazer, however doesn't re-cock it's self, so after the re-load, one still must re-cock the rifle! This is not good when the time is short, and the nerves are on end, with a big mad Bull closeing fast. Add to the re-cocking system, the hood over the chambers posing a road-block to a quick, positive, re-loading of the chambers. IMO, this rifle commits too many sins in any caliber, but is exacerbated by cartridges like the 470NE and 500NE where the heavy recoil plays a very negative role in the combat situation, that is modified by a traditional double rifle.

On the last matter is the Blazer is absolutely the ugliest double rifle I've ever seen, and life is to short to hunt with an ugly rifle! Of course that is a personal opinion, and might not be the opinion of others, and evidently not your opinion! So,,,,,,,If the Blazer floats your canoe, the work your paddle! ............Good luck


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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #100924 - 31/03/08 07:04 AM

As I said, they don't float mine. I want something that is simple to operate, no doubt as I am, myself, a simpleton. Dave

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: dnovo]
      #100947 - 31/03/08 10:04 AM

I figure I have 2 Searcy's,one in 700 and one in 577 and 2-4 bore doubles that have "regular break open actions and can get the job done, so the 500 will just be different. I do not happen to think the Blaser is ugly, mine has some pretty nice wood on it. But like you said everyone has different opinions. Thats why there are a lot of different guns out there.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #100954 - 31/03/08 11:26 AM

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Well,.... I hate to hear all the negative comments, but I appreciate the honesty. I picked up a Luxus S2 in 500 nitro, so I guess we will see how it shoots. I hope it is better than the above stories. I will let you know in a few weeks after I shoot it some.




Bigdog

I would very much appreciate it if you could post your direct experiences with your rifle when you have tried it out and used it a bit.

Direct experience always counts for more than second hand comments.

Tell us what you think of the safety/decocker. Is it easy to take the safety off/re-cock it? Does it need to be re-cocked each time it is opened??? How it shoots and regulates?

Personally they are not for me, but variety is the spice of life.

Good luck with it and hope you find it does what you want.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: NitroX]
      #100968 - 31/03/08 02:04 PM

I will post comments after shooting it. My understanding is that when you break open the barrels, it go to a 1/2 cock situation, and then you must finish cocking with the safety. It is easy to cock with the safety and does not take much of a push to get it to full cock position. It will be 2 or 3 weeks before I go shoot it, I am tied up with a lot of extra work at the moment. It should ease up in a couple of weeks though. I will let you know.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #101045 - 01/04/08 04:47 AM

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I will post comments after shooting it. My understanding is that when you break open the barrels, it go to a 1/2 cock situation, and then you must finish cocking with the safety. It is easy to cock with the safety and does not take much of a push to get it to full cock position. It will be 2 or 3 weeks before I go shoot it, I am tied up with a lot of extra work at the moment. It should ease up in a couple of weeks though. I will let you know.




Sorry to tell you it doesn't go to half cock, but remains uncocked till you re-cock it after breaking it open after firing. The opening of the rifle automaticly un-cocks the rifle. This is the same as an auto safety on a standard double rifle, but cannot be disabled. The Krieghoff does re-cock the rifle after fireing, and breaking the rifle, so that all one has to do is fire two more shots without doing anything other than aim, and pull the triggers! If you re-load the Krieghoff, and do not intend fireing it again, then the de-cocker must be manually pushed slightly forward, and released, de-cocking the rifle, for safe carry! The Blazer de-cocks it's self every time you open it.

Still, I hope you like your new rifle when you get it, and do not have trouble with it, either machanicly, or forgetting the re-cock after a re-load in a tight spot!

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #101069 - 01/04/08 10:36 AM

I realize the gun is not cocked when the barrels are closed. By 1/2 cocked, I meant that it only takes half as much pressure as the older models took to cock. It is very easy to cock.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #101132 - 02/04/08 01:05 AM

My father owns a S2 in 500 3" and loves it. To each his own, I think they are a fine gun nonetheless.

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #101146 - 02/04/08 03:33 AM

BigDog,

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I figure I have 2 Searcy's,one in 700 and one in 577 and 2-4 bore doubles....




With this lineup I don't think you need to worry about the S2 safety and charging animals as I am sure that you will only be using it for rabbits and other small game

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Re: Blaser S2 doubles opinions?? [Re: bigdog]
      #101258 - 03/04/08 01:04 AM

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I realize the gun is not cocked when the barrels are closed. By 1/2 cocked, I meant that it only takes half as much pressure as the older models took to cock. It is very easy to cock.




For BIGDOG, and anyone else who doesn't know how the Krieghoff system is different from the Blazer system, which must be re-cocked after opening for any reason!


Krieghoff’s combi-cocking: the perfect combination of the advantage of manual cocking with the speed of self-cocking. To be able to fire immediadetly after reloading and closing the gun, that is the advantage of the self-cocking-system.

Important, especially if the game does not drop immediately after the first shot and you need to place a second as fast as possible.
In contrast the manual cocking offers clearly more safety then a uncocked gun is a safe gun.

The Krieghoff Combi-Cocking-Device combines the advantages of both systems in unique way, then with the manual cocking device in the forward position the rifle will self-cock while opening. In the rear position of the manual cocking slide the rifle remains un-cocked as usual.
Therefore the combi-cocking-device is not a low cost solution, but rather a well thought out technical and superior addition which crucially increased the field capabiliyt. Especially in a Single-Shot-Rifle – with one barrel and one lock – it will play a decisive role regarding speed and safety.Therefore the combi-cocking-device is not a low cost solution, but rather a well thought out technical and superior addition which crucially increased the field capabiliyt. Especially in a Single-Shot-Rifle – with one barrel and one lock – it will play a decisive role regarding speed and safety. As an additional safety feature we offer an optional set trigger which automatically disengages (De-Setting-Device) when you de-cock the gun. Therefore setting the trigger is only possible when the gun is cocked.


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