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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #316079 - 04/05/18 08:04 PM

another but more basic single shot pistol in 5,7x33, SN 31708
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/769083349















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #316439 - 16/05/18 08:55 PM

target pistol for the 0,34", SN 7163
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/770008665




























Mannlicher 1900 made in the former Dreyse factory for his Majesty
https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/1291-369/

"7.65 Mannlicher. Exceptionally rare M1901 Mannlicher, factory engraved with walnut grips inlaid with ivory. The pistol has a 5-1/2″ bbl with a fixed front and rear sight. SN is repeated on left side of the bbl, chamber and on the floorplate forward of the serrations. Crown/Crown U proofing appears just over the SNs and on the left side of the slide. The front strap is marked “RHEINISCHE METALLWAAREN U. / MASCHINEN-FABRIK, ABTEILUNG SOEMMERDA. / EHRHARDT WERKE.”, translating “Rhenish Metalware and Machine Factory, Sommerda Division, Ehrhardt Works”. Virtually the entire surface has been engraved with a deeply chiseled vine and floral pattern. The bbl and frame are blued while the slide and sideplate are etched grey. Several smaller components including extractor, thumb safety and trigger are gold plated. The grips have ivory inlays that encircle 1-1/4″ x 1″ oval ivory escutcheons,, probably bone, finely engraved with the Imperial Hohenzollern crest. Pistol is presented in an embossed and gilded leather marquetry case whose lid has a raised Hohenzollern crest surrounded by a multicolored, Arabic inspired design that is repeated around the base. Retracting two pins from the base releases the lid to view the interior, which is lined with grey baize. Marked in gold inside the lid is “EHRHARDT WERKE / ABTEILUNG SOMMERDA, GEWEHRFABRIK / SYSTEM MANNLICHER 1903.” The base is compartmentalized for the pistol, oiler, a stripper clip (missing), screwdriver and cleaning rod whose handles have been engraved in a complementary pattern. Very few of these pistols are known. Two similar examples were purportedly gifts or presentations to the Sultan of Turkey; this example reflects presentation to Kaiser Wilhelm, circa 1903. At this time the Mannlicher pistol was involved in competitive trials with the German Army against the Luger and Mauser C96 pistols and this pistol may represent an attempt to curry favour at the highest level, the “1903” nomenclature also presenting it as the very latest development when presented. Accompanying paperwork includes capture papers from James F. Buie dated Oct. 13, 1945 specifying this exact pistol. Another letter from 1957, also from James F. Buie, mentions he had obtained the gun in a munitions factory from a military person claiming to be the nephew of Kaiser Wilhelm, further supporting the historic association. PROVENANCE: Ex Visser collection. Capture Papers. Collection of Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess. "



























pair of target pistols
"Matched pair of Rhein Metall, breech-loading target pistols. These magnificent, exhibition-grade pistols are gold inlaid and relief engraved with European walnut forearms and fluted grips. The pistols have adjustable target rear sights and single set triggers. The fluted barrels are blued with relief-engraved floral and cross-hatched designs on a stippled background. Intricate, gold, filigree designs are inlaid on the muzzles, breeches, sides and tops of the barrels. The top of each barrel is gold inlaid with the maker's name and address: "RHEIN.METALLW. U.MASCH. FABR.ABT. SOMMERDA GEWEHRFABRIK." on an oval panel with gold inlaid borders. The breech, side plate, hammer and backstrap have deep, relief-engraved, scrollwork panels with gold inlaid borders. The trigger guard and breech lever are blued with relief engraving and gold inlaid filigree. The screws and barrel wedge escutcheons feature fine engraving. The pistols are complete with a European walnut, French-fitted, velvet lined case and accessories. The case is lined with green velvet and contains: (1) a pewter oil bottle, (2) screwdriver with ebony handle and engraved steel blade, (3) engraved steel socket with ebony handle and (4) twenty-eight round, silver-plated bullet block with engraved borders. A cleaning rod that was originally part of the set is missing. This magnificent set of exhibition grade pistols represents the finest turn-of-the-century German gun-making and engraving skill. This is a one-of-a-kind set of pistols that displays unmatched craftsmanship and detail."
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/49/1205/rheinmetall--target














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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #316474 - 17/05/18 08:17 AM

Wow! - Very nice

Thanks for posting Lancaster

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: TH44]
      #316567 - 20/05/18 05:10 AM

6mm Flobert Stutzen, SN 33179
http://www.hunting-heritage.com/blog/index.php/2018/04/18/toy-for-a-boy-dreyse-tesching-from-1894/





















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #316888 - 28/05/18 11:47 PM

4mm rimfire, so called "Zimmerstutzen" for indoor shooting, SN 37225
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6983492





















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #317314 - 16/06/18 04:52 AM

looks like a 0,70" double gun, SN 23633
https://www.bukowskis.com/sv/auctions/F171/392-tandnalsgevar













an old model
http://www.probusauktioner.se/auktion/ob...%20april%202012








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0,34" Lady's rifle, SN 15491
https://www.europeana.eu/portal/sv/record/2064105/Museu_ProvidedCHO_Livrustkammaren_47089.html



0,70" double gun, SN 25790
http://www.beaussant-lefevre.com/html/fi...mp;aff=1&r=







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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #317417 - 22/06/18 01:58 AM

target rifle in 8,15x46R with patent action, SN 28824

http://de.bisgaardnielsen.dk/shop/460-rifler-og-gevaerer/9658-schuumltzengewehr---dreyse-sommerda/













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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #317642 - 30/06/18 09:02 PM

0,71", F.v.Dreyse
https://www.veilinghuisaag.com/cata/productlist/id/145














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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #317693 - 03/07/18 05:13 AM

for the last double gun SN 5992

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #318163 - 17/07/18 05:01 AM

0,64" double gun by Franz, SN 14733
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771501101







































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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #318952 - 10/08/18 02:59 AM

22 lr single shot pistol "5,7mm", SN 34024
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7063580









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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #319041 - 13/08/18 01:34 PM

needle fire single shot target pistol, SN 4850
"11,5 mm caliber" Dreyse Sömmerda
https://www.czernys.com/a-85/?o=77515&am...mpaign=barnebys









0,34" "Lady's rifle" made as a Stutzen
SN 3464
http://www.antiq.com/bolk-antiques-142/a...00-euro-1324761












0,34" "Lady's rifle"
SN 7124
https://www.bidspotter.eu/en-us/auction-...44-a6bb010b17ae




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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #319043 - 13/08/18 01:47 PM

This is one of my favorite threads here on the site.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: tinker]
      #319052 - 14/08/18 01:35 AM

its only my storage, working about this problem for a projekt

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #319056 - 14/08/18 06:21 AM

Keep up the good work Lancaster, certainly been a labour of love for you - all the best with your project!
Yes I like to have a peep here & there on this one too Tinker; it's fascinating how firearms have progressed over the ages.


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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: 93x64mm]
      #319073 - 14/08/18 08:41 PM

Lancaster - we don’t say it enough but we all appreciate and love your threads full of the unusual and different firearms. Keep it up, please.

Cheers,
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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: Ash]
      #319076 - 15/08/18 03:18 AM

it was many years ago now when I realize that many interesting pics of unusual guns get lost when the auction ended

such threads especially about real rare guns becoming full of informations over the time if you take a look on all the facts you collect.
I remember the first time when I had a needle fire double gun in my hands. the owner had two questions - if I was abel to make ammo for this AND when was it made. first problem was possible and second was then impossible to say. with the information I got from old books and the complete stuff here in this thread I am able now to tell which year such a needle fire gun was made.

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #320181 - 29/09/18 05:56 PM

a typical Dreyse stalking rifle with patent action in 11,15x42R Werndl, SN 19998
http://www.panzer.cz/cs/kulovnice/2263-kulovnice-f-dreyse-1115-x-42-r-werndl.html


































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one of the early 0,49" stalking rifles, SN 8310

















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #320545 - 11/10/18 05:18 AM

0,34" SN 6947
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7151939





















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #320634 - 14/10/18 06:10 PM

Is it just me or does a needlefire look simple to make?

Any sporter Chassepot or Carcano needle guns?

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: Ash]
      #320643 - 15/10/18 05:39 AM

in the 19. century it was space age technology

you are advanced not only knowing that there was a chassepot but also the italian carcano needlefire rifle. btw ,another rifle but from the same Carcano who invent the italian bolt action rifle 20 years later.
the carcano was only an interim solution to get a new breech loader from the old muzzle loaders like the snider rifle in britain. italian and france had than a pur shotgun hunting culture with shooting the rare big game only with buckshot. there are some civil made chassepot hunting cartridges showing the rifle was used for hunting in france than but the rifle itself was not "sporterized" like some chassepot in germany.

I got a fine work yesterday, my job is it to make a Dreyse needle fire hunting rifle working again were are all part of the bolt are lost. unknown design till now the only one exist we can only guess.
It shoot's a .50 caliber bullet with a gas tight paper cartridge than.


military rifle
my chassepot project
the poor Dreyse stalking rilfe




notice how similar the action is to the bigger military rifle





the bolt was some kind of a missing link to the Dreyse Patent rifle than still in production









the needle fire rifle













made 5 years later for center fire cartridges, different bolt

















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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #320646 - 15/10/18 10:11 AM

I hope you can figure out and make your missing one work again.

How do they attach the locking lug, or is it just milled as one piece with the bolt?

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Re: Dreyse Double [Re: lancaster]
      #320798 - 20/10/18 05:18 AM

0,74" double gun, SN 20075
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/l/17...mp;currentpos=1





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