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Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt
      #261184 - 25/02/15 11:44 PM

its 8 years I got a chassepot carbine barreled action and a walnut blank

here is an old pic


have a 68 cm long barrel with a .454 diameter


here a chamber cast with an original cartridge, the bolt is in the position he have when closed


this thing sleeping in my basement for years now only visited from time to time. maybe its the year I can bring it to an end now.
Chassepot carbine, make in the manufacture imperiale de Châtellerault between 1866 and 1870


the chassepot is the link beween the Dreyse bolt action and the Mauser 71. you have to cock the bolt with the hand before you can open it.




the needle




my intention allways was to make a stutzen, something between the dreyse jäger rifle




and the civil dreyse hunting rifles for needle fire paper cartridges



or center fire metallic cartridges




thats what it looks now



I found a horn trigger guard, probably for a double gun with two trigger so I have space in the trigger guard for a safety. the stock will get a old style horn tip too.




got a very nice old german patch box on monday




such things were not uncommon on dreyse sporting rifles and so think if it will be a good idea to use this for my stutzen project. because all steel parts get a fire blueing or the antic brauning the patch box will need a colour case hardening then.






























the front sight came from a Haenel airgun










to let the cat out of the bag this is my first own wildcat cartridge the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire.
something the world was waiting for




will give mor informations when the rifle is ready once

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Edited by lancaster (26/02/15 02:01 AM)


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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #261203 - 26/02/15 03:44 AM

Nice!

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: tinker]
      #261293 - 27/02/15 10:41 AM

Nice old guns and workmanship, all I can say it gives me a bit of encouragement to
press on with some of my projects. --- John


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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: John303]
      #261297 - 27/02/15 11:56 AM

"the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire"
How did the firearms world survive this long without it!
All kidding aside, that is an interesting project lancaster.
Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Iowa_303]
      #261303 - 27/02/15 01:36 PM

Enticing - excellent work, lancaster. I had surmised the stock wold have darker lines in the grain structure - maybe they'll show after it's finished in oil.
Well done.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Iowa_303]
      #261319 - 27/02/15 08:27 PM

Quote:

"the 11,5x50 RB PWM/Chassepot needle fire"
How did the firearms world survive this long without it!
All kidding aside, that is an interesting project lancaster.
Thanks for sharing.




thank you for your words of encouragement, you know real inventor's work for the common good. I have another secret invention for an older problem that will come to dayligth this year.

in the beginning I dont know what to do with the patch box. does it fit, is it a good idea? will I need it in the future for another rifle?
The dreyse jaeger rifle was probably the first one without a patch box but you will find it on sporting guns up into the 1870s. The rare Dörsch&v.Baumgarten needle fire jaeger rifle for the tiny Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe in germany had a patch box.


http://www.schaumburger-zeitung.de/porta...in-Schuss-_arid,340007.html

Dörsch was working for Dreyse before he became a master in Suhl on his own in 1857, only Schaumburg-Lippe order 670-750 jaeger rifles of this model for the dreyse military cartridge in 1861.
600 of this jäger rifles were sold to japan in 1868 were a Feldwebel Carl Koeppen trained a unit near Osaka as a foreign advisor or お雇い外国人 with this needle rifles.


Dörsch&v.Baumgarten were also making hunting rifles with this action but in the own 12mm caliber.




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Edited by lancaster (28/02/15 05:14 AM)


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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #261320 - 27/02/15 08:38 PM

Yes.

Use the patch box.


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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: tinker]
      #261367 - 01/03/15 01:43 AM

make the forend tip by a piece of horn,first time I work with horn and its a a nice material. have another piece of similar size and will do it again when my Mauser 71 project is on the bench.







maybe 80-90% ready



side by siode with my Dreyse M 60, probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide







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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #261369 - 01/03/15 02:48 AM

"probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide"
I'm almost positive that at this time in history you are one of one.
I really enjoy seeing these obsolete firearms brought back to life! It inspires me to start looking for a new project gun. Good thing there is a gunshow near me next weekend.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Iowa_303]
      #261378 - 01/03/15 04:09 AM

Nice project and very nice patch box,use it.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Iowa_303]
      #261382 - 01/03/15 05:18 AM

Quote:

"probably not many people working on a needle fire rifle just now world wide"
I'm almost positive that at this time in history you are one of one.
I really enjoy seeing these obsolete firearms brought back to life! It inspires me to start looking for a new project gun. Good thing there is a gunshow near me next weekend.




I am not alone anymore, someone was paying 1020 euro for this ruin of a dreyse jäger rifle yesterday







http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5338020&PHPSESSID=138c

missing the bolt, rear sight and the unloading rod, overall condition is sad but true
believe this started for one euro and iirc, thought about it 2 or 3 seconds but decided it will cost a lot of money to bring it back into the old glory and you can get a complete rifle for it.the original parts will be impossible to find and the only way is to made it new.

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Edited by lancaster (01/03/15 05:26 AM)


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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #261393 - 01/03/15 09:31 AM

Lancaster,
Love the carving on the stock of the Dörsch&v.Baumgarten!
Would not be out of place on yours!
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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: 93x64mm]
      #261915 - 08/03/15 04:23 PM

another chassepot hunting carbine for sale




http://www.naturabuy.fr/Carabine-chasse-Chassepot-1866-item-2271769.html

a chassepot transformed into a 11,x59R Gras given as an award once











http://www.naturabuy.fr/RARISSIME-FUSIL-CHASSEPOT-DE-RECOMPENSE-item-2211607.html

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #287835 - 14/09/16 01:43 PM

another chassepot hunting rifle for sale http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6104819





























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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #298309 - 02/04/17 07:23 PM

progress comes slowly but maybe this year



still working on the special swivel












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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #298316 - 03/04/17 12:45 AM

Looks good Lancaster!
I'm very intrigued by this project of yours.
Thanks for the update

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Iowa_303]
      #301891 - 18/06/17 06:00 AM

so the sling swifel are tig welded, the new made swifel that copy the Dreyse style and the old one that was clapped out







only thing to do now for me is to put the patch box into the stock. than make all steel parts "white" and finish the stock.

and than comes the moment of truth when I will shot the rifle on 50 meter to see what happen with iron sights.

the future starts slowly

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #301893 - 18/06/17 07:26 AM

As you put it Lancaster......
"such things were not uncommon on dreyse sporting rifles and so think if it will be a good idea to use this for my stutzen project. because all steel parts get a fire blueing or the antic brauning the patch box will need a colour case hardening then."
You can certainly still have in on there for your cleaning patches, you have a rod with it now so why not!


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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: 93x64mm]
      #301909 - 18/06/17 01:44 PM

yes, the patch box will be used
there are various small parts that come in

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #301911 - 18/06/17 04:36 PM

There was an article on I believe the Castboolits website in which the author described the conversion of a Gras to 45/70. try as I might I cannot find that article. The Gras bolt head is flat so do not need to reform the base of the cartridge to the mauser "A" base. Probably have to bush the firing pin hole and reduce the diameter for the firing pin. Frank

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #312504 - 17/02/18 08:00 AM

after many years the Chassepot "Pirschbuechse" is ready for finishing







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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #312507 - 17/02/18 10:06 AM

Excellent.

I very much look forward to the eventual field report!



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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: tinker]
      #312512 - 17/02/18 11:17 AM

Very nice Lancaster!
I too look forward to seeing field reports.

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      #312515 - 17/02/18 12:12 PM

A very interesting and worthwhile endeavour.




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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #312534 - 17/02/18 05:35 PM

with the help of saint hubertus this year on the range and next year in the field

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #312537 - 17/02/18 08:01 PM

Congratulations on your work, Lancaster, that's a superb achievement.
Did you craft the horn trigger plate yourself or did you order it from somebody else; I am asking as I would need one for my Sauer & Sohn M.54 bockbüchsflinte?
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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Louis]
      #312547 - 18/02/18 02:46 AM

old gunmaker stock I got some years ago, made before 1914
this things were not carved but imho, it was an early plastik and cast. I will look for you if there is another horn trigger guard in this box.

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      #312554 - 18/02/18 06:38 AM

Thank you Lars.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Louis]
      #312557 - 18/02/18 07:56 AM

louis, here they are



only this are made of horn




style looks more interwar




you can bend horn trigger guards by cooking them in water for 20 minutes.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #313487 - 05/03/18 03:14 AM

done before










old german made chassepot rifle http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6867216

thinking I come close to the old rifle here





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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #313488 - 05/03/18 03:25 AM



The bolt appears to have a leather/rubber/or other material washer around it to seal powder gasses. Is this correct.
I have oft wondered how they did this.

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      #313493 - 05/03/18 05:09 AM

hello Daryl, it rubber, back in the days natural rubber
Chassepot was the inventor of this method

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      #313502 - 05/03/18 10:59 AM

Quote:



The bolt appears to have a leather/rubber/or other material washer around it to seal powder gasses. Is this correct.
I have oft wondered how they did this.




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      #313506 - 05/03/18 11:54 AM

tks Lancaster - appeared so.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Daryl_S]
      #313513 - 05/03/18 01:06 PM

Well done lancaster!
A project to be very proud of.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Iowa_303]
      #313524 - 05/03/18 10:01 PM

here is how the action works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX0cEXXydro

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #313527 - 06/03/18 03:53 AM

tks - as I imagined it working. Weird language - couldn't understand a word.

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: Daryl_S]
      #313534 - 06/03/18 05:17 AM

you have time, dont you have
look for a girl friend from quebec and you will learn in bed

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Re: Chassepot needle fire Stutzen projekt [Re: lancaster]
      #315563 - 23/04/18 03:33 AM

thats the grand daddy,german cavalry carbine made by cuting down rifles form the war 70/71 as a stop gap until the gun firms had time to make the mauser carbine M 71













http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6933862

this was one of the inspirations for my project

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