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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234145 - 13/08/13 08:14 AM

I have a #1 in .400 Jeffery, another great old rimmed cartridge. I like it because it packs a decent punch in a lighter and lower recoiling package than my double in 470 NE.

It's another all 'rounder you can use on say elk, moose or heavier plains game but not feel undergunned if something bigger and/or badder shows up.

Bullet availability isn't bad either, because if you want to use something lighter than the tried and true 400 gr loads, as Grenadier has pointed out you can go down to 300 to 350 gr tips designed for the .405 WIN. And Hornady now produces relatively cheap factory ammo.

If you want something with a little more oomph, I have always thought a single shot in .500/.416 NE would be pretty cool, too. A little flatter shooting than the .450/.400 3 inch.

Either of these calibers would fill "the gap" between your .375 and .450NE.

As you may know though from having your .500 NE built, not all numero uno actions are suitable for the biggest bore chamberings, if you should choose to go that direction again. If your frame started out life as something like a .458 Lott or .416 Rigby with a heavy contour barrel you could build up to a .577 NE if you want to go crazy and have a dedicated elephant gun.

All that being said I still kinda agree with Daryl S. I hear where you're coming from, downloading the .450 NE, but everybody should have at least one .45-70 in the vault. In a No.1 you can get maximum versatilty out of that old war horse of a cartridge.

Regardless, it's great hot stove league stuff just talking about all the potential choices. All the best.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234151 - 13/08/13 11:11 AM

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CZ, interesting you should mention the 300H&H Flanged Magnum, I have been thinking more and more along the same sort of lines.......Quite fond of the idea of a 303 as well........The 257 Weatherby sounds like fun....



Alex - Now you know the answer. You need THREE more No.1 rifles.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Grenadier]
      #234229 - 14/08/13 06:06 AM

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CZ, interesting you should mention the 300H&H Flanged Magnum, I have been thinking more and more along the same sort of lines.......Quite fond of the idea of a 303 as well........The 257 Weatherby sounds like fun....




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Alex - Now you know the answer. You need THREE more No.1 rifles.



Grenadier, now your talking, hadn't thought of that

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234233 - 14/08/13 07:01 AM

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: 500Boswell]
      #234234 - 14/08/13 08:44 AM

What about a real oddball? 356 Winchester. I have two and it's my all time favorite round. A factory Winchester model 94 Big Bore and a custom marlin with an octagonal barrel. They smack white tails and black bears with authority using 260gr gas checked cast bullets.

I have a little Ruger #3 in the back of the safe in 375 Winchester that shoots 4 inch groups. It's always been on my list to re barrel to 356Win.

Think about it, if you beat me to it you might have the only 356Win #1 ever built!

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Rell]
      #234236 - 14/08/13 09:58 AM

My vote is for the 375 Flanged Nitro Express (2 1/2").
Classic round for a single shot.
Plenty of punch without the recoil of the 375 H&H magnum.
By the way, I love my #1 in 303 British but you have that slot well covered with the 7x57.
Good luck making your choice. Let us know how it turns out.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Rell]
      #234237 - 14/08/13 10:02 AM

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What about a real oddball? 356 Winchester...



While we are talking oddball medium bores, how about a .348 WIN? Another great rimmed cartridge and brush caliber that you could load to authoritative levels in a #1.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234284 - 15/08/13 07:59 AM

3rd post.... 8x72R. Lots of moulds available.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: tophet1]
      #234285 - 15/08/13 08:03 AM

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3rd post.... 8x72R. Lots of moulds available.




Wouldn't you go 8 x 74R as brass is more readily available ?

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #234306 - 15/08/13 10:17 PM

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My vote is for the 375 Flanged Nitro Express (2 1/2").
Classic round for a single shot.
Plenty of punch without the recoil of the 375 H&H magnum.
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The same can be said about 400/350 Rigby which is easier to obtain than the 375 (2 1/2") Nitro Express.

CZ

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #234311 - 16/08/13 12:22 AM

Bretram Brass from Australia makes both the 375 Flanged Nitro Express (2 1/2") and 400/350 Rigby cases.
Since Alex is in Australia I would believe that both would be available to him.
In the US, both cost the same.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #234314 - 16/08/13 02:15 AM

If no .338/06IMP due to being too similar to a .375H&H, then most of the .375 flanged ctgs. must are too similar to the H&H as well.

That bring us back to a round that would be fun to shoot, of lower power than the H&H to be notable Hmmmmmm The suggestions for a .375 Winchester which (in my own Big Bore M94) makes quite excellent use of .375 Win, or .30/30 brass blown out, can drive 300gr.cast or jacketed to a good 1,650fps or if wanting more speed, a 220gr. FN Hornady to 2,200fps. It would make a fun pig/deer gun and in the similar power range as the .358/.356, but with a bit less recoil. I didn't get around to shooting any deer with mine, but did collect 2 moose with it, using those 220gr. FN's running 1,940fps driven by 42.0gr. H335 - a low pressure, but VERY accurate load(1 1/2MOA 100yds.) - obviously having sufficient "power" for 'up to' 800 to 900 pound ungulates.

So many choices, so few actions!

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: DarylS]
      #234516 - 21/08/13 09:09 PM

Alex

You need another medium bore no less, to build a nice light stalking rifle. A single shot stalking rifle needs a long slender cartridge.

That means todays modern classic the 9.3x74R. The heavy bullets will take any deer you want in the thick stuff and the light bullets can be loaded for long shots. but you already have your little double in this caliber so that means the classic 400/350 Rigby which has been mentioned a few times already. 310gr bullet for heavy work and 225gr bullet for the open. This gets my vote but may be too close to what you already have.

The Holland 30 super flanged would be ideal.

But why not try something different.

375/303 Westley Richards
Factory loads
200gr bullet @ 2726 fps
215gr bullet @ 2500 fps



I believe it is similar to the 375 FL NE 2"1/2 case necked down to .303 with a smaller and thinner rim. You can load lighter bullets. It nestles nicely in between your other calibers. The only issue may be brass availability in which case you could opt for an 8x65R which is a similar case and performance except it's not a NE so it's not as sexy :-)

Cheers
Rhodes

Edited by Rhodes (21/08/13 09:41 PM)

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Rhodes]
      #234524 - 22/08/13 05:13 AM

...I believe it is similar to the 375 FL NE 2"1/2 case necked down to .303 with a smaller and thinner rim. You can load lighter bullets. It nestles nicely in between your other calibers. The only issue may be brass availability in which case you could opt for an 8x65R which is a similar case and performance except it's not a NE so it's not as sexy :-)

Cheers
Rhodes



Rhodes, the 8x65RS is for the European hunter a good alternative to 300 H&H Flanged.
Don't know why it isn't more popular...
No matter what I would like to have them all - 7x75 R, 300 H&H F, 8x65 RS, 400/350 Rigby and the 375 H&H Flanged...

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #234531 - 22/08/13 09:25 AM

Go out on a limb, assuming you still have the .458 sprinter barrels, I've been dreaming of a .577/450 MH on a No.1.

With your skill you could do sights out to whatever distance and the build should be a snap for you. And when you get bored of it you can send it up here =D

Could be loaded pretty wild too if one wished..

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Ash]
      #234532 - 22/08/13 09:39 AM

I don't know...
A No.1 in 500/450No.1 Express in the classic English sporter style
would be pretty sweet.
I don't know what a good smokeless load would be
but my 1869 with 85grs of black and a 460gr cast bullet
is quite accurate and a pleasure to shoot.
In fact, I have a Metford rifled barrel and an 1881 action just
begging to become such a rifle.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Huvius]
      #234533 - 22/08/13 10:16 AM

Pics Huvius!

As for the .375 2 1/2" down to .303 WR thing, could the .405 WCF be substituted for easier brass/thicker rim (if desired?)

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Ash]
      #234534 - 22/08/13 11:17 AM

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Pics Huvius!quote]


Will have to get some pics of the 1869 from my brother, but I do have a couple of me shooting the Field 577/500No.2.
Pure Joy!






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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Huvius]
      #234535 - 22/08/13 12:34 PM

Still 303

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Claydog]
      #234541 - 22/08/13 01:40 PM

400/350 rigby or 40/50 straight Sharps Both are cute little buggers.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: AZDAVE]
      #234548 - 22/08/13 06:58 PM

CZ, I like the way you think ;-)

Ash, drawings from Quickload show the 405win brass could be used if you turned the rim down and gave the case a trim. Reamers for most of the old NE cartridges are available.





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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Rhodes]
      #234553 - 23/08/13 12:18 AM

That's an idea, but for me, a .40/50 Bottle Necked Sharps would be fun for plinking and pigs. - Or 40/70? There is a modernized .40/70 that uses necked down .45/70 cases with a little more capacity than the .40/60 using the .45/70case.

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: alexbeer]
      #234852 - 29/08/13 09:16 PM

Hello Alex,

you stated a nice caliber it in your first mail: 400/350 Rigby Nitro Express

advantages:
- rimmed cartridge and low pressure for easy extraction
- bullets for game available in an adequate selection for near all applications
- use of handgun bullets possible for target practice and varminting :-)
- cases are available from bertram or can be made with a little (more?) effort from 9,3x74R
- gentle recoil
- more than 100 years old (if I remind correctly)

I have an old Rigby Mauser in this caliber and I consider the cartridge as a good one!

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: Grenadier]
      #235250 - 07/09/13 05:37 AM

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You say you "like casting and shooting lead bullets". So, if you want something to cast for, I would like to suggest the .400H&H. It uses the same bullets that the .405 Winchester and .450-400 use. It achieves good velocity without violent recoil. And you can run everything through it from Woodleigh solids to gas checked lead, to paper-patched. It is easy to load for and works well with just about anything one can stuff into it. Additionally, you can fire-form brass from .300H&H. It is a fantastic round.

Left: 300H&H, 375H&H, 400H&H with 300gr and 400gr bullets and a 430gr paper-patched lead.
Right: Factory loaded 400H&H and a case fire-formed from .300H&H.
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Grenadier, I agree the 400 H&H is a fine round but as far as I am informed it uses bullets with .411 diameter unlike the 450/400 which uses standardly the .410 bullets.

CZ

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Re: Another No.1, but what Calibre? [Re: CZ_hunter]
      #235253 - 07/09/13 07:09 AM

Huvius,

Are you guys shooting an outhouse?

I'm not sure that's enough gun to stop one of those?

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