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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Nordmann]
      #233906 - 10/08/13 04:46 AM

Thanks Nordmann, apart from my Model 12 ?! Just kidding, I used to have a nice Bosis Michaelangelo but financial considerations meant I had to let it go. The model 12 was owned by Mike McIntosh, the american gun writer, and his father before him so it has a special place in my heart ! My pair of Hollands will be on auction on the 22nd Sept at Holts if you want a look, best, Mike

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #233910 - 10/08/13 05:51 AM

Mike ..Was only playing wiv ya on the Model 21, I trust you realized that. Not sure Otto at H&W would be so fond of all those "unlinedup" screws either, can u imagine? They would drive him crazy!

Couldn't find your Hollands at Holts, only a triplet set which didn't really look as though they matched.

Are you into German guns? Was contacted today by my good friend and custom knife maker Juergen Steinau today, he has access to a small collection of guns in Germany which belonged to Erich Mielke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Mielke

Not much for me there, mostly Merkel Suhl, Sauer etc, thought you might know the guys collecting that stuff , bit "off my piste" I'm afraid.

If you send me your mail I will send you the mail I received from him, and you can give me your feedback. Might be something interesting.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Nordmann]
      #233935 - 10/08/13 10:14 AM

p.s. Nordmann, it is a model 12 pump, not a 21 (which I loath) best, Mike

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #233942 - 10/08/13 01:15 PM

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Thanks Nordmann, apart from my Model 12 ?! Just kidding, I used to have a nice Bosis Michaelangelo but financial considerations meant I had to let it go. The model 12 was owned by Mike McIntosh, the american gun writer, and his father before him so it has a special place in my heart ! My pair of Hollands will be on auction on the 22nd Sept at Holts if you want a look, best, Mike



Your 375FL and 500 Mike? Please say no!


Best wishes, Chris

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Rockdoc]
      #233947 - 10/08/13 05:34 PM

RockDoc, unfortunately so. I am unemployed as of 30th June this year, the company I worked for have managed to lose all my savings and to top that off I had a stroke 6 weeks ago in London So needs must when the Devil drives, best, Mike

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #233962 - 10/08/13 11:33 PM

Mike I am so very sorry to hear that.

I hope you are well and no long term effects.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Rockdoc]
      #233964 - 10/08/13 11:52 PM

Thanks RockDoc, best

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #236092 - 26/09/13 04:18 PM

Gentlemen:

I am delighted to see quality images of Selous side plates. On my "I'm gonna do that some day" list is to build a Farquharson with Selous side plates, and I have been looking for someone who actually has one who would take the kind of images needed to duplicate the plates.

For instance, where do the plates transition from being flush with the action, as they are at the tang, to being proud of the wood as they are at the rear?

They are also flush at the grip cap, but become proud further back on the stock.

How thick are the plates? That is something that is very difficult to get an idea of from the images.

If whoever owns this wonderful piece has more images of it, particularly detail images of the plates, I would be most grateful to see them.


Most respectfully,

Glenn Fewless

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates *DELETED* [Re: Glenn_Fewless]
      #236103 - 26/09/13 10:41 PM

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Huvius]
      #236133 - 27/09/13 10:54 AM

Here is one more picture I have.
Looks like the plates could be flush all around. Yes...I do want this rifle...



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Edited by CptCurl (29/09/13 09:27 PM)

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Huvius]
      #236156 - 27/09/13 03:30 PM

Mr. Huvius:

Thank you very much for the picture and the information. I am off for the wilds of Kentucky in a few hours, but will follow your suggestions when I return early next week.

Very best regards,

Glenn

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Glenn_Fewless]
      #236226 - 29/09/13 09:31 PM

That is just amazing work. I would love to have an opportunity to handle it in person. Trouble is, I wouldn't want to give it back.

Huvius, have you handled this rifle?

Curl

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: CptCurl]
      #236233 - 30/09/13 03:02 AM

Quote:

That is just amazing work. I would love to have an opportunity to handle it in person. Trouble is, I wouldn't want to give it back.

Huvius, have you handled this rifle?

Curl




Unfortunately, no.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Nordmann]
      #301501 - 07/06/17 03:46 PM

I was able to take a look at my Gibbs Selous plates today and see that that are much thinner than I expected.
I didn't have a caliper with me but I think they are somewhere about .020" - .030" if that much.

I think these will be reproducible now that I see them although countersinking screws into something so thin is tricky.












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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Huvius]
      #301507 - 07/06/17 10:12 PM

That would be a lot of tricky work, for sure.
As far as countersinking the screw holes, I have made a dimpling die to form most of the countersink
when making thin iron mounts for muzzleloaders. Such a tool leaves much more material around the screw head. The countersink is then cleaned up a little with a countersink cutter. I don't know if distortion would be a problem with the large rounded plates, or not.
The tool I use is very similar to one used for the installation of flush rivets in aircraft skins.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: MikeRowe]
      #301549 - 08/06/17 09:27 PM

How would you form the metal plate to a precise fit over the wood?

Huvius, can you tell if there is checkering under the plates? Corrolary question: were these done in the original build or retrofit?

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: CptCurl]
      #301551 - 08/06/17 11:13 PM

I cannot see if there is checkering or not underneath.
My supposition is, in either case of an original fitment or as a repair, that there wouldn't be as the wood would need to be taken down some to make the plates fit flush.
In fact, using plates that are the same thickness as existing checkering would make fitting easier IMO.
The best way I can think of to insure a consistent and even removal of wood surface for the plates is to checker to a known depth and then knock down the peaks using the cuts as a depth guide.
I really want to take them off to get a good look but am scared to do it!

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Huvius]
      #301559 - 09/06/17 05:37 AM

Just my opinion but I would not remove those plates. You would be tempting fate.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Wayne59]
      #301561 - 09/06/17 06:03 AM

Someone here is a very lucky boy!
What a beautiful piece of workmanship this is!
Unusual load to be written on the rear sight, certainly has me intrigued; could it be a special load created just for that rifle?
Impossible now to tell once all the records are destroyed.
Certainly a keeper that one.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Wayne59]
      #301562 - 09/06/17 06:07 AM

I find the screw-slot clocking to be interesting, along with the screws showing definite evidence of being removed at one point or another.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: DarylS]
      #301565 - 09/06/17 06:45 AM

And here we find ourselves at the other end of the plate reinforcement spectrum...



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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Huvius]
      #303308 - 25/07/17 11:37 PM

Hello Group,
I own the G,Gibbs Farquharson in the first photo in this post, I can say that the workmanship on this fitting is extraordinary, even looking at the inletting with a loup there is no sign of gaps or chisel slips, as you can see from the photo the plates are let in flush all around, the "timed" screws have all been fitted, the plates blued, then the screws re fitted in correct order with polished heads, not a single slot has a burr or any damage, as you can see from the photo the two sides meet perfectly at the front of the pistol grip, and around the grip trap.
One other point that has often intrigued me was if these metal plates become uncomfortably hot in warm weather, as I would expect them to, last week I took the rifle out in 40 deg (C)temperatures, and although the rifle was exposed to the full sun the grips never became to hot to shoulder and fire, I can only assume that as the metal is very thin, (.040") the heat was dissipated into the wood of the stock.
The Selous plates cost an extra £2 when the rifle was new in 1887 !
If there are any other questions about this rifle I would be only too glad to answer.

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Englishman]
      #304219 - 19/08/17 08:55 AM

Absolutely beautiful Gibbs Farquharson!!

Not as elegant as the Selous plates but another form of strengthening, this on an H&H Field patent.



Edited by Levallois (19/08/17 02:00 PM)

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: Levallois]
      #304298 - 20/08/17 07:23 AM

Levallois - That is very interesting, it looks as if it could be original with the bar/plate let into the action body

My own Field's Patent is in the lightweight .450 No. 1 Carbine, what calibre is yours?

Many thanks for posting, but if it is not too cheeky a few more pics would be appreciated

TH44

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Re: Gibbs Farquharson 303 With Selous Plates [Re: TH44]
      #304307 - 20/08/17 12:43 PM

TH44,

I appreciate the comments. I've started another post about the H&H with additional photos.

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