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In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better
      #11893 - 19/03/04 01:32 PM

marksmen than their bolt action and autoloader wielding counterparts?

We'll leave the double rifle folks out of this because everyone knows they are simply insecure SS enthusiasts



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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #11920 - 19/03/04 03:31 PM

I don't think so. I think that everybody likes to make the first shot count and not have to shoot twice.

As to SxS being more insecure SS owners just remember SxS can shoot their load twice without having to be manipulated and reloaded by someones hand.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: mickey]
      #11922 - 19/03/04 04:00 PM

I'll agree to your first point and....

your second point slam dunked my ass!

I should know better than tossing out such comments on this forum, eh?!

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #12082 - 21/03/04 08:35 AM

That's a broad and general all-encompassing statement/question. There are some who are great shots and the rest are just benchrest shooters who never fire off-hand or try to get into field positions. In short, not necessarally.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #12113 - 21/03/04 05:56 PM

I think SS users are very secure on the first shots. That doesn't mean we shoot better, we only want to carry less weight on a mountain hunt and we know, almost times, nobody can shoot twice

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: 470Nitro]
      #17215 - 26/07/04 01:50 PM

I think a good shot is a good shot...I have no problem with hunting with a double, SS or bolt...for dangerous game I want a double for everything else I would prefer a SS rifle...but in reality it makes no difference to me.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #17216 - 26/07/04 03:59 PM

Holmes,

I don't know about the double rifle shooters.

Several years ago I visited one of their shoots in Sydney with one of our gun writers, Mick knows who I am referring to, and for once I found myself in agreement with this gun writer. It is a good thing those buffalo are big and close

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Mike375]
      #21132 - 22/11/04 06:16 PM

I think we are more handsome, better company, and smarter, but I am not sure we are better shots.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #23167 - 02/01/05 12:51 PM

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Hit the target! All else is twaddle!

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: Mike375]
      #23188 - 02/01/05 03:29 PM

In reply to:

I don't know about the double rifle shooters.

Several years ago I visited one of their shoots in Sydney with one of our gun writers, Mick knows who I am referring to, and for once I found myself in agreement with this gun writer. It is a good thing those buffalo are big and close

Mike




Mike

After all a double is just two single shots and twice as good.

Side by Side shooters are excellent target shots. We hit the target every time you know!



Now examine the second photo.





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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: NitroX]
      #23192 - 02/01/05 04:21 PM

FWIW in my own experience the most accurate shooter owns a bolt action and the worst shooters own a semi auto

others as follows from best to worst

Single shot and bolt action tied
double gun
pump and lever gun
semo auto

If there was a statistical correlation to this I'd guess it to be about about a .5

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: vapodog]
      #25564 - 02/02/05 09:22 PM

The definition of 'good shot' will vary upon the strengths of the weapon type.

Looking at champions in each field as vapodog said those chasing pure accuracy in a hunting gun will usually be in the single barrel camp.

The extremes of target accuracy then goes to bolts and SS.

I would say the best shooter of a double, all else being equal would be he who handled it the fastest above all else.'Quick handling' is the doubles prominent strength.
Any mug can get its 'acceptable' accuracy levels.

The extreme or greatest ability of the greatest SS hunter would be 'picking his shots on game' since you only get one.

However for the 'extreme range shooting' at game the bolt guy with his fastest calibres is more expert in wind drift, and range estimation etc.


Karl.

Edited by Karl (02/02/05 09:34 PM)

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: NitroX]
      #25868 - 08/02/05 10:16 AM





OK, what gives with the photos NitroX?

They are identical (guns, target, shooters, even the shadows are in the exact same place) except for the white "holes"?


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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: new_guy]
      #25984 - 10/02/05 01:45 AM

Obviously the targets were rapidly shot by the camera man whilst NitroX and Partner remained in postion.



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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: new_guy]
      #26006 - 10/02/05 07:50 AM

Nitrox has way to much time on his hands! He must be one of those "rich" guys who owns doubles, hunts all the time and has time. Nice shooting BTW.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: bonanza]
      #26116 - 11/02/05 03:07 PM

NitroX
Tell us anout the doubles in the picture.
Did you ever work up a load with 350 grain bullets?

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: NE450No2]
      #26183 - 12/02/05 02:15 PM

Well I see some subtle differences.





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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #26244 - 13/02/05 04:49 PM

SS and one rifle barrel combo shooters miss far less often! We can't reload as fast...

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Holmes]
      #26250 - 13/02/05 10:46 PM

I believe that anybody who is just learning to shoot should start with a single shot firearm.Iff they only have one shot they are going to try and make it count.

Ive seen people and not just kids start with a semi auto or pump gun,there attitude is in a lot of cases "iff I dont get it with the first shot then I have plenty more to follow.

As a kid I was allowed one bullet per day to hunt with and as long as I came home with a rabbit or duck I was given another bullet for the following day.
Iff I came home empty handed I missed a day or two before I went out hunting again..

Single shot shooters are no better or worse than any other shooter as long as they have been taught properly and respect the animal they are hunting byshooting it humanely with a one shot kill..

Any comments ?

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #26356 - 16/02/05 02:19 AM

Alan,
Fair reasoning but I would say you could do the same thing with a 10 shot repeater and tell the kid he needs to harvest 10 animals , one a day.

What made your shooting there was an economy of rounds, rather than action type.

I'll let a beginner start on whatever he wants and teach marksmanship and killing with one shot comes down to being two things -more chance of killing it, and economy.

And that's all.

Regarding ethics, humanity, respect etc the simple fact is if we really gave a shit we would not be ending its life for sport.

Whether someone wants to ruin an animal's day with a whole magazine, or two shotgun blasts with 18 pellets of 00 buck, or 1 good shot, it's purely a matter of personal taste.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: Holmes]
      #26404 - 16/02/05 05:35 PM

I prefer single shot rifles and I don't think I shoot a rifle any better than anyone else. I've always thought the whole "single shot rifle shooter is better" thing is pure poop.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: Karl]
      #26415 - 16/02/05 10:58 PM

KARL SAID :-I'll let a beginner start on whatever he wants and teach marksmanship and killing with one shot comes down to being two things -more chance of killing it, and economy.

KARL SAID :-Regarding ethics, humanity, respect etc the simple fact is if we really gave a shit we would not be ending its life for sport.

Whether someone wants to ruin an animal's day with a whole magazine, or two shotgun blasts with 18 pellets of 00 buck, or 1 good shot, it's purely a matter of personal taste.

KARL as far as I am concerned you are full of shit and dont deserve to be a member of this site.
You have the ethics of a feral cat.....NONE

GET A LIFE ELSEWHERE.


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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters better [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #26418 - 16/02/05 11:38 PM

Alan,
What you are actually saying is you consider people making points you disagree with as unethical behaviour.

Since you

A. were unable to refute any of the points.

B.Left your main repsonse as being that I am unethical.

In fact considering a Forum is a place to freely exchange opinions you are the one showing unethical behaviour by suggesting I leave just because I do not agree with you.

Now to give you a second chance-

If you said you had an argument against say shotgun shooting medium game and the fact it uses a whole handful of pellets indirciminately distributed, I could say, well it would be tough to ban it on 'ethical grounds' since birdshooting is the same thing, and that is the most 'ethical' of centuries old sports for gentleman.

Then if you had gone on to say a guy who uses repeaters with a whole magazine is 'unethical' I would say, how does that differ from shotgun shooting.
Also what's worse than a single shot guy who may use a calibre too small, or takes shots too far out.

The fact is you can't limit poor behaviour by action type.

Or teach it by action type either.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: Karl]
      #26431 - 17/02/05 03:17 AM

Hey Fellows, calm down. No need to get riled by actions types.



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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: bonanza]
      #26432 - 17/02/05 03:20 AM

In reply to:

Poster: bonanza
Subject: Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be

Nitrox has way to much time on his hands! He must be one of those "rich" guys who owns doubles, hunts all the time and has time. Nice shooting BTW.



Ha ha, I wish. If I didn't spend as much time on this forum I would have more $$$ for hunting and the time too.

The shooting was better in one photo than the other. Yet they are the same photo.

(PS The answer - someone had access to photoshop )

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: NitroX]
      #26466 - 17/02/05 03:43 PM

NitroX, I think it was more a question of ethics, mine being compared to a feral cat.

Which is probably not doing the cats any justice since I do not eat what I kill. `

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: Karl]
      #26477 - 17/02/05 11:55 PM

Personally I dont give two squirts of billy goat shit about who is the better shot ,with regard to singles,doubles or auto's.
What concerns me and several other members on this site is your EGO AND ATTITUDE towards the animals we hunt.

A hunter respects the animal he hunts regardless of what it is.
SOMETHING YOU DONT,
Move on boy ,your are an embarrasment to ethical hunters all over the world.


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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #26482 - 18/02/05 01:13 AM

Personally I dont give two squirts of billy goat shit about who is the better shot ,with regard to singles,doubles or auto's

Then why did you even post on this thread?
Are you in full control of yourself?

What concerns me and several other members on this site is your EGO AND ATTITUDE towards the animals we hunt

If my ego bothers you it means it is your ego talking.

As to my attitude towards the animals we hunt I outlined a few examples of hunting styles for your comment and you have still failed to address any of them.

So what exactly is your well considered argument against my ethics, especially as I have not even mentioned my own hunting preferences yet.

A hunter respects the animal he hunts regardless of what it is SOMETHING YOU DONT

I consider 'respect' for the animal to do with admiring its ability in attempting to thwart my efforts to hunt it.

But no I have no other positive emotion towards the animals well being.

If I did it would mean I would let it get away.

I even know a lot of hunters who hunt animals and absolutely hate their guts,like cats.
Are they unethical?

Just how do you hunt a cat 'unethically' and with an 'embarassing lack of respect'?

How does a farmer shoot pigs or poison them with full regard to thier well being?
How do you kill something for sport with any degree of regard to their actual well being?

To get this cleared up, next time you post let us know what the 'ethical limits' for hunting all game are.

Karl.

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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: Karl]
      #26484 - 18/02/05 01:49 AM

Karl do you see anybody jumping to your defence.

NO !



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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #26485 - 18/02/05 03:25 AM

Gentlemen

Can I suggest you discuss your differences by private message rather than on public forum.







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Re: In your experience, are SS shooters/hunters be [Re: NitroX]
      #26503 - 18/02/05 02:32 PM

Alan,
What you mean is you would like people to be jumping to your defence right now.

You attacked first a normal reply I made, and it looks like the moderator is the only one who is going to be able to dig you out of your own hole.

If you are going to attack people's hunting ethic you must provide instances where it has shown to be lacking in comparison to your own solid guidelines.(you have done neither)
And even after that be prepared for their right to defend it.


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