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Homer
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Scopes for Spot-Lighting!
      #155696 - 07/03/10 07:18 PM

G'Day Fella's,

I've just returned from a hunting/shooting trip to a mates property (Farm).

Yesterday evening, whilst sitting around in his shack sipping beer, I mentioned that I personally don't believe you need to have a 50 or 56mm objective lens on your Spotlighting Rifle!

Now for you fella's from other parts of the world, Spotlighting of Kangaroo's and other pest animals in Australia, is a completely Legal and very efficient way of managing the Massive Kangaroo population!

Many of my mates and I have rifles that almost only ever get used at night, for this spacific purpose.

Now for years heaps of professional shooters only ever used Kahles 8 x 56mm scopes for this purpose (they were De-rigor for this job) and if you didn't have one on your spotlighting rifle, you were looked upon as being an amateur or not really serious about the job!

As is usual with me, I'm not much into "Sheep Like" activities!!!
So as I have mentioned, I suggested that a good 40mm objective lens scope, would be just as good as the bigger 50 and 56mm lenses for spotlighting, as the spotlight provides a heap of bright light!

Well a couple of beers later we lined up a couple of current production Leupold's, a Vari-x3 3.5-10 x 40 and a Vari-x3 4.5-14 x 50 (both set on 10x) and my old Swarovski 10 x 42 fixed power, on the bonnet of my car. We had been shooting at a paper target, at 100meters earlier in the day, so we used it as our "Test Target"

The old Swarovski was a Unanimous Winner, in the eyes of all three judges!

Have any of you fella's had much experience with similar optical equipment?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: Homer]
      #155697 - 07/03/10 07:31 PM

Yes.

I beleive there is a direct relationship between cost and optics quality. The boundaries will blur somewhat between adjacent contenders in any list of scopes due to everyone having different eyesight.

There are also the variables of possible different magnification and objective lens size which is what prompted your test.

I compared my scopes at Dusk to determine which scope was preferable for trophy hunting and spotlighting. During mid day light the difference was harder to detect.

I rated mine:

Zeiss 6x42 Victory
Zeiss 2.5-10x42 Diavari
Kahles AH 3.5-10x50
Kahles CL 4-12x52
Pecar 4x81
Leupold VXIII 3.5-10x40AO
Tasco 6x40 (Japanese)
Leupold VXIIc 1-4x20

At the end of the day a German Zeiss will always outperform a Leupold wich will out perform a Tasco.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: tophet1]
      #155703 - 07/03/10 08:25 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for your input on this subject Tophet1!

I imagine the fact that Fixed Power scopes, apparently let more light through than the Variables, may play a part in this as well?
Sorry, thinking out loud here!
It was not only a Brighter Image but a Clearer Image through the Fixed power scope and it was also pretty obvious!!!
Nobody spent more than 10 seconds looking through each scope, before they responded that the Swarovski was the winner!

By the way this is not intended to be a "Leupold Bashing Exersize", they were just the scopes/rifles that we had with us. I must have 10+ Leupold rifle scopes and swear by them, for day time use!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: Homer]
      #155713 - 07/03/10 10:03 PM

Well,

The optimum system for a lens for a tele system is 7 x 50 (as the pupil cannot dilate beyond 7mm and loses that ability from abt 25). Fixed powers have absolute collimation of their erector system whilst variables are just that!

Most German lenses use Schott galss specifically developed for each application. Their website has some info. Glass quality and coatings can improve but the key elements remain.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #155733 - 08/03/10 04:47 AM

I just finished up after fifteen years as a Professional Trapper in the Riverina NSW, the last ten years of which I utilised a Leupold 24x BRD that Premier Reticles tweaked for me.....prior to that I used an old 24x Leupold and a couple of 6.5-20's (did not like them though).
The spotlight I used was a Black Night-eater....sold in January to a young fellow in Deniliquen NSW.

All of the blokes around here that are still in the game use at a minimum 18x to a maximium of 24x......the country about here is mostly plains or open country.......were I to shoot scrub under a spotlight I would very quickly drop to 12x.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: Homer]
      #155780 - 08/03/10 07:19 PM

Quote:

Now for years heaps of professional shooters only ever used Kahles 8 x 56mm scopes for this purpose (they were De-rigor for this job) and if you didn't have one on your spotlighting rifle, you were looked upon as being an amateur or not really serious about the job!




Fairly good reason for 56mm on professional rigs vs 40mm on amateurs; most amateurs put the full beam of the light on the animal, professionals I've shot with put the light on the edge of the mob.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: Dr_Deer]
      #155786 - 08/03/10 09:24 PM

Yep,

and it'e "de rigeur".

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #155796 - 09/03/10 02:10 AM



If you do not mind I shall take this opportunity to play with posting pictures.....fortunately it does seem to be rather simple.

Please find included a picture of one of my rifles (sold to Peter at Pro-cal Trading in January) and a tweaked 24x BRD (purchased by another professional Trapper in town).......and a picture of a few of my ex-customers.


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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155841 - 09/03/10 12:18 PM

This might be a silly question Hommer,but if spot lighting is legal there. Why not use a starlight style scope? They have IR lights to use if there's not enough natural starlight. It seems like this would be just the ticket for these shoots.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155842 - 09/03/10 12:21 PM

Quote:

This might be a silly question Hommer,but if spot lighting is legal there. Why not use a starlight style scope? They have IR lights to use if there's not enough natural starlight. It seems like this would be just the ticket for these shoots.




IR stuff is hard to get hold of in Australia.

Gov't doesn't like you having it !!!


I have a night vision monocular from a Herc Pilot's helmet
and it turns night into day. great for picking animals before using the light.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155846 - 09/03/10 01:12 PM

That joey in the bag doesn't look too happy old chap!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: gryphon]
      #155847 - 09/03/10 01:27 PM

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That joey in the bag doesn't look too happy old chap!




Would you be happy ? LOL

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155849 - 09/03/10 02:23 PM

I've got a russian surplus with weaver mounts that may have been used hunting in a remote area at night. It worked quite well from what I was told.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155851 - 09/03/10 02:26 PM

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I've got a russian surplus with weaver mounts that may have been used hunting in a remote area at night. It worked quite well from what I was told.





Night vision is even better - I was looking at some deer the other night with it, you could see over 500 metres with it.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155852 - 09/03/10 03:39 PM

IR is useless for this job as there is a legal requirement for everything to be shot in the head (target area 4"x4").....this is to be done at varying ranges up to 300 yards (at night, under a spotlight, from a vehicle, in the wind).....and do not let anyone fool you, 300 yards is a LONG way under a spotlight, AND the customers are not too keen on keeping their heads in one place.
At least with a 24x you can see what he is thinking and allow for it.

There is also the hassle of having to drive the vehicle and process the carcases....so you either use an extra set of IR goggles to drive and work by or use the headlights and gutting lights......the first will have you ready to hang everyone that you have ever met after you have been swapping from one to another all week.....and the second sort of negates any supposed advantage of using IR in the first place.

That said, the most oft used spotlight around here is the Night-eater.....but at over $900.00 and an awful long wait for one to be made, good luck sourcing said marvel.



Regards.


Ps....Oh, and good luck keeping batteries up to the IR toys....for unlike the lads in pizza pattern, you would have to pay for them.....ten hours a night, five nights a week etc!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155857 - 09/03/10 04:48 PM

So much for "selective" culling. No excuse if the joey is that large!!! Bloody pathetic and you feed the greenie agenda with such fatuous comments!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #155859 - 09/03/10 05:20 PM

Before you get up on your high horse mate, you may be interested to know that Professional Trappers (now Commercial Harvesters) are legally required to kill ALL...REPEAT...ALL pouch young.
Failure TO DO SO IS AN INDICTABLE OFFENSE.

Now are you suggesting that I and the fellows that are still shooting Kangaroos should commit indictable offenses on a nightly basis.....and risk a gaol sentence.....just so you can point the finger and feel superior about your perceived moral fortitude?

Wake up to yourself and smell the roses.....the world does not run to the beat of your drum (nor mine for that matter), when you have done a wee bit off time in a Professional trappers shoes.....THEN come back to me and we can debate this on a level playing field.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #155860 - 09/03/10 05:30 PM

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So much for "selective" culling. No excuse if the joey is that large!!! Bloody pathetic and you feed the greenie agenda with such fatuous comments!



It's not that easy to see them somtimes, especially in scrub
or facing away.

In any case, you are there to take out roo's, 1, 2, does it really matter ?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155861 - 09/03/10 05:33 PM

Is that meat pretty good? A friend fromhere was down there on a ranch and they were feeding it to the dogs on a drive. But she never said if they ate it or not.. Being grass fed it should be OK.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155864 - 09/03/10 05:43 PM


AkMike

Beautiful meat - no fat, very lean. More of it should be eaten.

Can be strong tasting depending on the type of roo but great steaks, stews, stir fry's etc.

Dog loves it as well, great for the health and coats but
you need to add some fat to the diet if that's all you
feed them.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155866 - 09/03/10 05:52 PM

The meat from a 10-12 kilo red Buck or a 10-14 kilo red doe is the best roast you will ever eat, period!....an Eastern Grey doe from 10-13 kilo is not bad at all as a roast.

The problem being that there is an industry minimum of 15 kilos (imposed by National Sparks and Wildfires...NPWS)for human consumption carcases, so all of the meat that you purchase for human consumption is of a grade that I would not piss on, let alone eat!

Interesting isn't it.....almost like it does not matter what the customer wants, but then....how many know.
A bit like young kitten/medium Rabbits are better to eat than large bucks and does.......but all you can get at the butchers is....you guessed it...large.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155872 - 09/03/10 06:36 PM


nothere

That's interesting - I didn't know they had a minimum of 15 kilos on human consumption.

but yes, those 12kg animals are beaut to eat - really tender.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155873 - 09/03/10 06:40 PM

Interesting! In about a year from now I'm geaded down there for some fishing and beer tasting, west of Adelaide. One of my friends offered to bring his triple duce along so I can get some camp meat. Surf and Turf!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155876 - 09/03/10 06:55 PM

Quote:

Interesting! In about a year from now I'm geaded down there for some fishing and beer tasting, west of Adelaide. One of my friends offered to bring his triple duce along so I can get some camp meat. Surf and Turf!




You will have a ripper time then if you are going fishing
west of Adelaide.

East is good as well.

Edited by 500Nitro (09/03/10 06:56 PM)

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155879 - 09/03/10 07:01 PM

I'm already packed and ready .. But I'm bringing some good Alaskan beer to show them what it's all about!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155883 - 09/03/10 07:11 PM

Mike,
How long will you be in the country for? Are you having a look at other spots apart fron Adelaide?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 4seventy]
      #155895 - 09/03/10 08:52 PM

I haven't set a certain time yet. No dates either. But I was thinking 2 weeks. We'll be in the Sydney area west to the Eyre Penn.
I wish it wasn't so wet up north at that time. I'd love to bring a DR and meet one of the buffalos up there. One of these days I'll have to come back and try some of the great hunting you guys have there.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155899 - 09/03/10 09:07 PM

Quote:

I'm already packed and ready .. But I'm bringing some good Alaskan beer to show them what it's all about!



That's a big call coming to the Lager centre of the universe. (Just having a friendly dig mate) I'm sure you'll have a great trip and 'welcome down under' when you get here.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155901 - 09/03/10 09:21 PM

Quote:

The meat from a 10-12 kilo red Buck or a 10-14 kilo red doe is the best roast you will ever eat, period!....




I have rolled a fair few different sorts of meat animals around the country side and there are IMO far better wild meats to be had than roo meat and any roo i have ever had has been from young`uns..got my permit renewed the other day,nary a one will be dressed for us,dogs only.I have a couple of deer calves (wild) kicking around the neighbours,much better!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: tophet1]
      #155905 - 09/03/10 09:28 PM

Umm.....are you aware of the distance from Sydney to the East coast of South Australia?
I ask mainly because most seem to think it just down the road.
You can do the Sydney-Adelaide trip in fifteen hours if you go through Renmark.....then add a couple of more hours to the west coast of SA.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155907 - 09/03/10 09:37 PM

Believe it or not Gryphon.....I do not think much of Sambar as table fare, then again I also think yellow belly and cod suck as well.....much prefer a nice silver and a twenty kilo porker that has been running about on someones oat crop for a few months.

And if this rotten rain keeps up we are going to have a bucket load of pigs around here in the near future.....we got three inches over the weekend....and Wagga got SIX!!!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: gryphon]
      #155911 - 09/03/10 09:42 PM

G'Day Fella's,

AK Mike, I hope your question on the use of IR Lights and Night Vision equipment, has been addressed to your satisfaction? Thanks for your input fella's!
We normally don't drive around on Made Roads or tracks when we spotlight, so we need to see where we are going.
Some time back, I used an IR lens/filter on a conventional spotlight and it worked OK but for what ever reason (I've Forgotten?), That was a One-Off and it must be gathering dust somewhere in the W/shop!
Most shots around these part's ( the Southern Tablelands) are between 100 and 200 meters. Some shots are shorter and some longer and 99% of them are head shots!

As to eating "Skippy", I have to agree with you blokes, it's hard to beat!!!
The only time I eat Lamb, Pork and Beef is when I eat at Relatives, Friends and Restaurants!
The rest of the time it's either Skippy, Bambi, Tuna or Marlin!

As to all this rain, I can fairly hear the Porkers breeding up as we speak!
Fan-Bloody-Tastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any other comments on what I originally put this Post up for, "Scopes for Spot-Lighting"?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #155978 - 10/03/10 03:28 PM

Quote:

Umm.....are you aware of the distance from Sydney to the East coast of South Australia?
I ask mainly because most seem to think it just down the road.
You can do the Sydney-Adelaide trip in fifteen hours if you go through Renmark.....then add a couple of more hours to the west coast of SA.

Regards.



I'm going to rent a car when we land and take our time to look around. The driving on the 'wrong' side of the road will be interesting to say the least. Maybe I should tape a sign on saying "Caution, Yank driving" ? "D

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155980 - 10/03/10 04:02 PM

The Mrs. wants to know if we will be able to see koala's in the wild or are they pretty rare?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155982 - 10/03/10 04:19 PM

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The Mrs. wants to know if we will be able to see koala's in the wild or are they pretty rare?




In certain areas, yes you will be able to see them.
Maybe go to a Sanctuary to guarantee it.



Just watch out for the Drop Bears, they are really dangerous.

Edited by 500Nitro (10/03/10 04:20 PM)

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #155987 - 10/03/10 04:52 PM

And cackle berrys and white toothys.. The list goes on!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155992 - 10/03/10 05:39 PM

Quote:

Interesting! In about a year from now I'm geaded down there for some fishing and beer tasting, west of Adelaide. One of my friends offered to bring his triple duce along so I can get some camp meat. Surf and Turf!



When you are coming down, drop me a line. Well before when you know the dates if possible.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #155993 - 10/03/10 05:39 PM

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The Mrs. wants to know if we will be able to see koala's in the wild or are they pretty rare?



Koalas are very common where they exist. Kangaroo Island has too many as an example.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: NitroX]
      #155995 - 10/03/10 06:00 PM

Thank You Gentlemen for the information!
I'm sure I'll have more as time goes on.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #156001 - 10/03/10 07:21 PM

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the pupil cannot dilate beyond 7mm and loses that ability from abt 25



Opinions on this matter must have changed. Pecar's 4x81 had a 36mm objective lens presumably because it was thought the eye could sometimes use a 9mm exit pupil. Maybe it was made for myopes.

Any young hunters here should carry a small ruler when out pitching woo. Then, when you see a girl hot to trot, ask if you can measure her pupils in the name of science - unless you can think of something better to do.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #156003 - 10/03/10 09:18 PM

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I'm going to rent a car when we land and take our time to look around. The driving on the 'wrong' side of the road will be interesting to say the least. Maybe I should tape a sign on saying "Caution, Yank driving" ? "D





Don't bother with a sign, if you manage to get any more than a block from where you start on the right side of the road.......a B-double will clean you up and settle the matter fairly emphatically.

Just be prepared to have the piss taken out off you at regular intervals by all and sundry (if you survive the B-doubles).

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #156082 - 11/03/10 12:07 PM

If that's Ozzie for a B Train for trucks.. Not a problem..
I drag a pair around here alot. I hear that down there they tow up to 5 wagons some places.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #156121 - 11/03/10 04:50 PM

5? Thats up north AKM not where you will be.

My mate from NM drove part of the way to Cobar for a half day and in that time drove over three brown snakes which really give him the creeps,we had a laugh about that.

I have koalas right here in my yard often,but live no where near where you will be going.

Nothere I wasnt specific about deer and said nothing about sambar at all... I was answering re roasts but when it comes to IMO meat a wild (has to be wild)fallow buck crop raider from Tassy is probably the best of the best,hog deer are very very good also.

I`m going down to Gippsland and hopefully will be able to roll one this season opener in April.

As far as sambar go my choice is an eating model of a calf no bigger than a jumbuck! Pink,sweet and tender!

We kill our own grass fed beef and lambs here and have the pick of the lot as a matter of course,roo`s not on the menu here these days.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: gryphon]
      #156125 - 11/03/10 05:19 PM

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As far as sambar go my choice is an eating model of a calf no bigger than a jumbuck! Pink,sweet and tender!






We ate a little one when hunting the Dandongadale years ago, Gryphon, and I didn't like it much at all. It had that albuminous (eggy) taste you get when calves and lambs are still drinking milk.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #156136 - 11/03/10 06:12 PM

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If that's Ozzie for a B Train for trucks.. Not a problem..
I drag a pair around here alot. I hear that down there they tow up to 5 wagons some places.



I will lay London to a brick that it will be a problem if you are on the right hand side of the road when you meet.

B-doubles are a short A trailer with a standard B trailer behind.......the only road trains you will see from Sydney to Mildura will be double trailers, none from Mildura to Yamba as Victoria does not allow such....Yamba through to Adelaide is double rated, Adelaide to the west coast of SA is triple rated.

If you take the Sturt highway from Sydney to Adelaide I am situated in Hay which is smack on half way.....be sure to give me a ring so we can catch up.....and if you require a feed then I am sure we can provide

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #156151 - 11/03/10 08:22 PM

I'll do that! Thanks!

Should I practice saying 'Crikey'alot too

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #156152 - 11/03/10 08:29 PM

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So much for "selective" culling. No excuse if the joey is that large!!! Bloody pathetic and you feed the greenie agenda with such fatuous comments!



It's not that easy to see them somtimes, especially in scrub
or facing away.

In any case, you are there to take out roo's, 1, 2, does it really matter ?



A pity that my post from last day abt 2130 was "edumacated" (in the spirit of 1984) eh?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #156153 - 11/03/10 08:43 PM

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I'll do that! Thanks!

Should I practice saying 'Crikey'alot too



Only if you want to have piss and pick handles kicked out of you by 20 000 000 Australians who have never used that expression in their lives.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #156154 - 11/03/10 08:45 PM

LOL, Sounds like a good idea to skip that phrase then!!!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #156155 - 11/03/10 08:47 PM

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A pity that my post from last day abt 2130 was "edumacated" (in the spirit of 1984) eh?



Okay, in the spirit of red headed Australians everywhere.....please explain!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: AkMike]
      #156156 - 11/03/10 08:48 PM

It may be a good idea.

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #156161 - 11/03/10 10:20 PM

Reply posted and as yet not shown as of 3 mins ago. mind you I have a printout so who's running the 1984 agenda eh mate?

Edited by kamilaroi (11/03/10 10:23 PM)

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: kamilaroi]
      #156169 - 11/03/10 11:53 PM

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Reply posted and as yet not shown as of 3 mins ago. mind you I have a printout so who's running the 1984 agenda eh mate?



Pardon me for seeming obtuse......but what in hell are you talking about?

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: nothere]
      #156228 - 12/03/10 06:46 AM

Paul I reckon you ate not a jumbuck sized (merino wether) calf but a real toy one to have that quality served on your plate.



As far as sambar go my choice is an eating model of a calf no bigger than a jumbuck! Pink,sweet and tender!

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Re: Scopes for Spot-Lighting! [Re: gryphon]
      #164703 - 21/07/10 08:56 PM

Deleted a spammer member whom managed to get in here. His posts went with him.

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