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8 Bore "Clobber Pipe"....
      #346083 - 23/10/20 12:46 PM

Finally, after ~25 years without (nice my last) 8 bore.
Just a "teaser" couple of pictures of my newly adopted G.E. Lewis 8 bore full rifle double rifle.
15lbs 8oz, 26" barrels, 3 1/4" chambers, and ~.855" groove-groove with a 1-90" twist. A bit of fine pitting/roughness in first 2" of bores, otherwise excellent.
Circa 1880 or so

A sympathetic restoration to be sure, likely done in the UK; well done period re-case colors, re-brown barrel, replacement stock & perhaps forend, re-pointed checkering..... not grossly over polished.....a very nice job of it, wood fit is superb.

More in the next few days....
- Mike

EDIT: yes, yes....that is "only" a 3" 8 bore sample cartridge alongside the Lewis.....





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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346084 - 23/10/20 01:26 PM

WOW WOW WOW

One of the original dangerous game DRs before Nitro Express was invented. If it could only speak.

Eagerly awaiting more.

And I want to see those place mats underneath as well. English hunting scenes, dogs and horses or something else? Deer?

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: NitroX]
      #346091 - 23/10/20 02:07 PM

John,
"dogs & horses" ....my God man.....those would be "Hounds" don't you know.......damn uncivilized rabble call them dogs.....

Yes, place mats acquired back in my "youth" in England at a USAF posting @ RAF Bentwaters, Suffolk, UK
Herring's fox hunting scenes....have some litho prints as well.

The "bore rifles" are truly magnificent if one can adjust to the smoke, flame, and punch.....a bygone era. (when men were men, and sheep were nervous )
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346094 - 23/10/20 03:59 PM

I probably have the same dining table placemats purchased way back in 1988 when I lived in the UK. From Harrods I believe it was.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346095 - 23/10/20 04:09 PM

Oh my - that is lovely!

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: DarylS]
      #346101 - 23/10/20 08:36 PM

Beautiful piece Mike. When do we get to see the range results?

Congratulations,

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: Tom_H]
      #346102 - 23/10/20 10:54 PM

Wow is an understatement there Mike!
Certainly has had a great refurbishment done, even if the bores have a bit of roughness in them I guess if you put a few hundred rounds through it might smooth them out a bit - your shoulder included!
But we'd never get the smile off your face.....congratulations on your new addition to the family.


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: Tom_H]
      #346108 - 24/10/20 12:42 AM

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Beautiful piece Mike. When do we get to see the range results?
Congratulations,
Tom



Just ordered a proper ball mould from the old Jeff Tanner outfit now called “Ball Moulds .com”.
This is a “brass case” rifle (larger bore/groove diameter), so have done a chamber cast and today will send off an order to Rocky Mountain Cartridge for cases.

The brass is expected to be 8-12 weeks delivery, no shooting before then.
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346114 - 24/10/20 08:34 AM

Excellent rifle, early as you say with I think nom-rebounding locks and lovely percussion style fences

The 8 bores are probably the best all round early rifle for collecting and of course shooting
Good luck with that

More pics Pleeeze at your convenience

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: TH44]
      #346115 - 24/10/20 08:49 AM













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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346118 - 24/10/20 09:58 AM

That is so nice. A little Scotch Brite scrubbing will help the bores & certainly do no harm.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: DarylS]
      #346141 - 25/10/20 06:38 AM

Nice rifle but can it shoot a 31 oz projectile?

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: bouldersmith]
      #346142 - 25/10/20 06:46 AM

Thanks for sharing Mike3dog.

Lovely lovely piece of rifle you have there.

I am a great admire of these pre-nitro guns with hammers.

Anyone who has a true interest in hunting in India, Asia and Africa has read books about these boreguns.


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: rigbymauser]
      #346144 - 25/10/20 07:10 AM



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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: NitroX]
      #346173 - 26/10/20 12:48 AM

Quote:

I probably have the same dining table placemats purchased way back in 1988 when I lived in the UK. From Harrods I believe it was.





I'll see you one better: My family brought those same placemats from England when they moved over in the 50's. I can't say they were in the same fine shape as these by the time I was old enough to remember them!


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: vykkagur]
      #346240 - 28/10/20 03:10 AM

Courtesy of the Royal Armories Museum, Leeds; holders of the G.E. Lewis company records. This appears to be a financial ledger with cost of production of the rifle.
The full sales records unfortunately do not show an 8 bore as #5261.
- Mike



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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346252 - 28/10/20 08:54 AM

How much did it cost to make ? [back in the day ]

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 500Boswell]
      #346256 - 28/10/20 09:42 AM

Quote:

How much did it cost to make ? [back in the day ]



I could be reading the ledger wrong, or the number is not the total cost, but looks like £11.1.8
This would be somewhere around 1879-1882

I have “deciphered” about 1/2 of the ledger entry. 1880’s Brit cursive is not my specialty.......and some of the notes are probably shorthand or contractions.
- Barrels likely from “Rhodes” (Birmingham barrelmaker)
- "Haynes" just above & after "Rhodes" (possibly barrel maker that did rifling?)
- Locks from “Peters” (William? Peters, at 20 Loveday Street)

Separate cost for rifling and Engraving cost (presumably by Lewis’ shop?)

Can pick out notes for: ribs, sights, furniture, stock, eye (sling eye?), triggers, & action.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346292 - 29/10/20 10:47 AM

Thanks ,the Holy Grail of Double Rifles !,if I could win lotto id buy an original, and get someone in London to build me a New one as well !

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 500Boswell]
      #346298 - 29/10/20 12:26 PM

Quote:

Thanks ,the Holy Grail of Double Rifles !,if I could win lotto id buy an original, and get someone in London to build me a New one as well !



8 Bores are not for everyday guys....something special, perhaps one will come your way.
There is a Rigby 8 Bore (& a Rigby .577 Ex) coming up in the next Rock Island Auction.....wish I had the spare dosh to bid because I have a soft spot for Rigby.
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346334 - 30/10/20 10:02 AM

There was one here for sale some years ago for 4k Australian was a bit rough ,I think it was a European made gun ,not high grade and had seen better days .

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 500Boswell]
      #346770 - 12/11/20 05:28 PM

You suck! I was bidding against you. Well done.



I would caution you about RMC. They screwed up my brass order for my 8, which caused it to double, and were rather resistant to working with me to get the issue fixed.

RCC brass out of Texas produced me much better quality brass for only a few cents more.


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: AK_Stick]
      #346779 - 12/11/20 11:53 PM

AK_Stick

What was the problem with the brass?
Was it shallow primer pockets?

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: AK_Stick]
      #346782 - 13/11/20 01:29 AM

Quote:

You suck! I was bidding against you. Well done.

I would caution you about RMC. They screwed up my brass order for my 8, which caused it to double, and were rather resistant to working with me to get the issue fixed.

RCC brass out of Texas produced me much better quality brass for only a few cents more.




Of course I do! ....and an ex-wife will attest

Interesting comment about the brass.......have you determined what the problem was?
I had RMC do cases for my Lyon & Lyon 12 Bore about 2 years ago and they are great.
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346783 - 13/11/20 01:49 AM

The problem was they had no stock larger than 1 inch, and the 8 bore requires 1.025 (atleast mine and most of the ones I’ve seen do). They also cut my rims undersized, which allowed the cartridge to set back against the breech under recoil of the other barrel, which is what caused mine to double. Not an experience I wish to duplicate.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: AK_Stick]
      #346785 - 13/11/20 03:05 AM

Quote:

The problem was they had no stock larger than 1 inch, and the 8 bore requires 1.025 (atleast mine and most of the ones I’ve seen do). They also cut my rims undersized, which allowed the cartridge to set back against the breech under recoil of the other barrel, which is what caused mine to double. Not an experience I wish to duplicate.




I could see that may happen with a non-rebounding hammer gun with the other hammer down.

The brass maker could have hammer forged their blanks to enlarge the base prior to machining. Wouldn't have been difficult.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: Huvius]
      #346794 - 13/11/20 07:12 AM

My other hammer was still secured by the stalking safety. The primer itself flattened on the breech face.


I agree there are things that could have been done. The bras was good quality, If they have stock of appropriate size I would not be against it. But personally, I can’t find a reason not to use RCC for any future brass given my utter satisfaction with their product.


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: AK_Stick]
      #346795 - 13/11/20 08:03 AM

That’s one for the books for sure. Were they 209 type shotgun primers or standard large rifle primers?
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346797 - 13/11/20 08:41 AM

I am finding it difficult to understand how the second barrel could discharge without having a firing pin strike.

Perhaps a very weak firing pin return spring, or no spring, allowed the pin under recoil, to slam forwards striking that primer? A loose pin?

Is this the ultimate reason (doubling) for the change to rebounding firing pins?

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: DarylS]
      #346798 - 13/11/20 10:26 AM

Quote:

I am finding it difficult to understand how the second barrel could discharge without having a firing pin strike.
Perhaps a very weak firing pin return spring, or no spring, allowed the pin under recoil, to slam forwards striking that primer? A loose pin?
Is this the ultimate reason (doubling) for the change to rebounding firing pins?




My personal guess is that rebounding locks became the solution to:
1) having to 1/2 cock before opening the rifle/gun
2) eliminated the need for 1/2 cock and stalking safeties.

The answer is lost to the mists of time..
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346802 - 13/11/20 12:23 PM

Yes, of course.
That makes sense.


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: AK_Stick]
      #346803 - 13/11/20 01:02 PM

This really is a great looking rifle.


We need video!

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: tinker]
      #346806 - 13/11/20 01:51 PM

Quote:

This really is a great looking rifle.
We need video!



Well thankyou.....i consider your input quite a compliment. Yes, whomever in the UK did the restoration, it is a very nice job of it.

The rifle has a couple minor issues to sort out over the Winter; nothing major.
RMC is finishing my brass and I have the ball mould from Tanner in hand.

Video? As in a scrawny 68 year old getting thumped by 10 Drams and a 970 grain ball? .......light my forest on fire?.......damn; “Thankyou Sir, may I have another!”

If, next Spring, I can find a buddy to video I will do it!
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346807 - 13/11/20 02:30 PM

Come on up here with it and I'll do the video, Mike.
Is that a conical ball gun, or a round ball gun?
Was interested due to the 90" rate of twist. Of course
that would be akin to a 72" to 78" twist in a little 24 bore.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: DarylS]
      #346808 - 13/11/20 02:46 PM

Hi Daryl,
I’m guessing it’s a round ball rifle due to the ~1-90 twist and roughly 1880 date.

Come on up? I’d love to......except, has not your beloved PM Turdeaux and P.Q. oriented Politicians made 8 Bores illegal?
...anti tank or anti aircraft weapons don’t you know.....

So.......You had best come on down to the “Peoples Republic of Colorado” to do a video.
Have guest room, 3 drooling Labradors, and several different Single Malt Whisky selections.
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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: 3DogMike]
      #346830 - 14/11/20 01:12 AM

Quote:

Quote:

This really is a great looking rifle.
We need video!




Video? As in a scrawny 68 year old getting thumped by 10 Drams and a 970 grain ball? .......light my forest on fire?.....





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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: tinker]
      #346832 - 14/11/20 04:21 AM

LOL - you are absolutely right, Mike. As I don't have any artillery pieces (included 8 bores of course) I'd forgotten about that dip's May 1st move.
I would love to visit.
BTW - keep in mind the patched ball loads I used in brass cases in my 16 bore straight rifled gun.
They shot cleanly and accurately. IIRC, I used Neetsfoot oil for lube on the patches, with 1/8" hard card wads underneath to the powder.

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: DarylS]
      #346839 - 14/11/20 10:53 AM


My personal guess is that rebounding locks became the solution to:
1) having to 1/2 cock before opening the rifle/gun
2) eliminated the need for 1/2 cock and stalking safeties.

The answer is lost to the mists of time..

That was always my opinion although I have a .450/400 with non-rebounding locks without a half cock

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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: DarylS]
      #346864 - 15/11/20 11:14 AM

Quote:

I am finding it difficult to understand how the second barrel could discharge without having a firing pin strike.

Perhaps a very weak firing pin return spring, or no spring, allowed the pin under recoil, to slam forwards striking that primer? A loose pin?

Is this the ultimate reason (doubling) for the change to rebounding firing pins?




The gap in the rim thickness and the breech face allowed the cartridge to get a running start into the breech when I fired, and because the primers I was using had very little recess on the face of the primer, when it struck the breech face, it flattened just enough to detonate the primer.


Since then, with the RCC brass I’ve fired the 8 nearly 200 times this summer getting ready to hunt with it this fall, and that was the only double I’ve suffered.


It’s worth noting that when it doubled, I was firing a 1250 grain conical, not my 880 grain ball, so it’s possible the extra recoil of the conical had something to do with the double, and not just the RMC brass.


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Re: 8 Bore "Clobber Pipe".... [Re: AK_Stick]
      #346865 - 15/11/20 12:21 PM

“....allowed the cartridge to get a running start into.....struck the breech face...”

Maybe I’m too thick to truly understand, but the physics involved in firing a double rifle do not lend themselves to a case slamming into the breech face and impacting a high primer.
Quite the opposite, upon recoil the cartridge on the non firing side will slide farther into the chamber to wherever headspace allows and not backwards to the breech face
(Newtons 1st Law: a body at rest...ie: the cartridge; .... and Newtons 3rd Law: equal & opposite reaction and all that.)

.....and...I presume this was a 209 type shotgun primer where the actual cup of the primer is enclosed by the battery cup part?
Unlike a standard large rifle primer it would seem very difficult for a 209 type shotgun primer to “slamfire”....

That your rifle doubled there is no doubt......very weird circumstance.

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      #347723 - 10/12/20 06:26 AM

Early Christmas......my 8 bore cases from Rocky Mountain Cartridges arrived today.
Hope to get a couple loaded up and test fire before our next snow storm.....

The .875 ball is from my Ballmoulds.com mould (formerly Jeff Tanner, UK).
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      #347737 - 10/12/20 02:31 PM

Assembled 4 to test fire.
10 Drams Olde Eynsford 2F, WW 209 primer, 960 grain .875" round ball cast from 1-20
Thin card over powder wad with SPG lubed fibre spacer wad.

As an aside; the case rim measures 1.032" diameter and fits my Lewis perfectly. RMC worked from my Cerrosafe chamber cast for a custom fit to my rifle and ball diameter..

Don't have my "Buckstix star crimp tool" yet so I will load and fire only one chamber at a time.
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      #347743 - 10/12/20 03:02 PM

I expect video!

I'll understand if there's a commercial spot for Advil following the scene.

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      #347746 - 10/12/20 03:06 PM

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Don't have my "Buckstix star crimp tool" yet so I will load and fire only one chamber at a time.
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Probably a good idea at the beginning anyway.

I know when firing the .600 NE only one hammer at a time was cocked.

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Quote:

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Don't have my "Buckstix star crimp tool" yet so I will load and fire only one chamber at a time.
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Probably a good idea at the beginning anyway.

I know when firing the .600 NE only one hammer at a time was cocked.



+1

I make it a habit to not cock both hammers of a double at the same time as a matter of course.....I'm not facing dangerous game here so why chance it. Besides that.....it takes a few seconds for 10 Drams of smoke to clear enough to see the target for a followup shot.
If I have a new (to me) hammerless I will load one side and put a primed empty in the other side for the first few test shots just to give me a bit of confidence that it is not going to double on me.

Tinker-
I will have to see if I can talk my wife into video of the festivities

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      #347753 - 10/12/20 05:32 PM

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Tinker-
I will have to see if I can talk my wife into video of the festivities





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      #347757 - 11/12/20 01:51 AM

10 drams won’t be too bad from a heavy rifle such as yours.
I’ve shot 240grs in my single barrel muzzle loader and it was quite tolerable. The “service load” for the 8bore muzzle loaders was, I believe, 300grs but I haven’t got there yet.

I don’t really know if breech loaders recoil more or less, generally, than equal bore/charge front stuffers.

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      #347769 - 11/12/20 06:23 AM

Theoretically, the breech loader should have greater recoil, all other things (weight and design) being the same.
This would be due to the small loss of pressure from the ignition device, whether flint of percussion-cap ignition.
If there is no loss at the cap, then the recoil should be virtually identical.
With a new nipple, my 14 bore does not vent from the nipple at the shot with standard load, but still does, just a bit,
with the 6 dram hunting load. This said, it is still not enough to cause the spent cap to depart the nipple.
With original rifles or smoothbores, I would expect much more loss of pressure at the "tube" than with modern nipple designs.

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      #347775 - 11/12/20 08:42 AM

Ben; rifle is 15 lbs 8oz
10 Drams/960 grain ball, yea sure, to paraphrase the saying "tis but a maidens caress"....... a maiden the size of a big Samoan using weighted gloves
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      #347792 - 11/12/20 03:13 PM

It's a Love tap.

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      #347797 - 12/12/20 05:07 AM

Oh WOW - what a breech that rifle has!
Imposingly delicious.

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      #347802 - 12/12/20 08:22 AM

The breech from the borerifles are just impressive.

Good luck with that 8bore. 960grain roundball fueled by 10 drams will get near 1700 ft/sec if it like a Swiss 1,5 powder.

To begin with I felt confident to cock both hammers of my 10 bore...but the thought has reconsidered me to cock one hammer at the time. Launching 20 drams 2000grain conicals in a 14ibs rifle will send the groundcontrol into orbit with no soft controlled landing.

Always wanted an 8bore to shoot the 1200-1300grain conicals. The bore rifles are amazing and impressive.

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      #347811 - 12/12/20 12:24 PM

What lead to the decision to have the cases made to use 209 primers?
I’m sure they will be fine, just curious.

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      #347812 - 12/12/20 12:54 PM

Rigbymauser:
I intend to get the loads across a chronograph at some point, I am actually lead to believe the velocities will be closer to 1450’/sec (441 meters/sec)......shall be interesting.

Quote:

What lead to the decision to have the cases made to use 209 primers?
I’m sure they will be fine, just curious.



Hi Ben,
Actually no decision....it is what RMC does. “Shotgun shells” after all?
I suppose I could have specified standard large rifle primers?

Even back in the late 1980’s, with my first 8Bore Greener rifle, I had Ray Meyer make me cases and he also used 209 size primers. They were easy then and easy now. No issues at all.

Of course the old originals are all over the map. The Brit cases used Berdan primers, and I have an original Winchester head stamp 3” 8 Gauge that takes standard large rifle primers.

Naturally any work fine with the “Holy Black”
Will try Cal Pappas’ loads of Blue Dot at some point as well.
- Mike

ADDED:
I have Mr. H. Buck Stix making me one of his star type crimp dies for these cases. That will allow me to load both sides without worry of the (left) side bullet backing out on firing the first shot.
Already have one of his in 12 Bore and it is very nicely done.

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      #347841 - 13/12/20 06:01 AM

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      #347845 - 13/12/20 06:58 AM

Patiently waiting on the video...

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      #347847 - 13/12/20 08:37 AM

Quote:

Patiently waiting on the video...



This ain't Vegas......24° F and snow here. (besides, heavy kickers hurt WORSE in the cold)
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      #347848 - 13/12/20 08:41 AM

Vegas?
Gross

Here's a snapshot from my morning walk.
Temperature was about 30 farenheit.



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      #347849 - 13/12/20 09:07 AM

Quote:


Here's a snapshot from my morning walk.
Temperature was about 30 farenheit.





Well Tinker it's 30Deg C over here in Oz, the humidity is starting to come up to the 'sticky' stage - the exact opposite of you guys!
Lovely to see someone getting around - especially with a lovely old Krag!
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      #347858 - 13/12/20 10:42 AM

Nice rifle, Tinker.
About the same temp here.
oops- gotta make supper. Stew tonight (& tomorrow night).

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      #347908 - 14/12/20 10:27 AM

Quote:

Patiently waiting on the video...



AhHem......labor dispute (just before Christmas no less...)
My erstwhile videographer said: “are you crazy? I’m not standing out there freezing in snow while you shoot that THING”
....then later on: “you aren’t cleaning that in here are you? It stinks...”

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BTW: Tinker, that’s a really nice looking Krag sporter!

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      #347909 - 14/12/20 10:37 AM

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If you seen a deer could you take it or has the season closed?




I applied for the tags this year, got nothing.
I was going after the steel targets on the hill.
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      #347910 - 14/12/20 10:42 AM

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AhHem......labor dispute...







That's funny!


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Tinker, that’s a really nice looking Krag sporter!




Thanks!
It's a recent find.
I think it'll work out well.

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      #347927 - 14/12/20 10:48 PM

Quote:

Quote:


If you seen a deer could you take it or has the season closed?




I applied for the tags this year, got nothing.
I was going after the steel targets on the hill.
Did well.




Oh Bugger, sorry to hear you missed out!
Well at least you had a go mate & got around a bit.
Sounds like your Krag certainly has what it got to get the job done!
The .30-40 is at least on par with the old .303 British, so she'd be easily up to the task of a deer or 3!
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      #347929 - 15/12/20 12:09 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Patiently waiting on the video...



AhHem......labor dispute (just before Christmas no less...)
My erstwhile videographer said: “are you crazy? I’m not standing out there freezing in snow while you shoot that THING”
....then later on: “you aren’t cleaning that in here are you? It stinks...”

......labor negotiations are presently at an impasse. Doubting that neutral arbitration will do any good. Damn Unions






When facing a labour dispute, mechanisation is the answer. These new fangled tripod things are the perfect "scabs" to overcome the union communists!

Failing a tripod, a chair, some phone books, a pillow etc, to perform the union job of cameraman.

Quote:

Quote:



Tinker-
I will have to see if I can talk my wife into video of the festivities





That's the spirit.
I'll get the popcorn ready.




In the absence of the context of the 8-bore this is starting to sound a bit suss!!!!

"Wife, I want you to video me handling my 'clobber-pipe' out in nature. To show all the boys on the internet." !!!

And now I find :

Quote:

"tis but a maidens caress"....... a maiden the size of a big Samoan using weighted gloves




and

Quote:

It's a Love tap.




Please, this is a family forum!

What is the name of this big Samoan double barrelled lass?



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      #347930 - 15/12/20 01:30 AM

Looks ike two gaping bores, one next to the other..!

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Bloody AWESOME Mike!😊

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      #356139 - 18/08/21 02:11 PM

Been awhile; I now have video of a shot with the Lewis……much smoke and commotion. (Actually a LOT of smoke and commotion)
10 Drams 2F and a ~900 grain round ball.
I don't do YouTube and the embedded videos, so I am going to forward the 10 second clip to Nitro John to see if he can add it to this forum thread.
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      #356142 - 18/08/21 05:15 PM

Yippee Ki Yay!!

I would have moved the boondie first, just in case...

Look forward to the clip!

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8-bore Video - Open in a new tab

My computer opened a window which asked permisson to open the file in a video programme.

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Thanks John.

Two of my mates are now "8 Bore Qualified", have to do a right then a left……neither one wanted to have another go at it.
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      #356224 - 20/08/21 11:10 PM

Thanks for sharing Mike.

Wonderful to see someone is keeping these borerifles alive.

Today I will take out mine to oil it a little. I can't shoot such guns these days as I am in leukemia treatment and have lost some 40% of my strength.

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      #356225 - 21/08/21 12:58 AM

So cool! Definitely NOT on my bucket list.

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      #356287 - 22/08/21 06:47 AM

Hey Jumbo….want to dance?



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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: 3DogMike]
      #356291 - 22/08/21 02:06 PM

Damb that must be an impressive muzzle. What bore diameter is an 8-bore in inches?

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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: NitroX]
      #356299 - 22/08/21 10:57 PM

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Damb that must be an impressive muzzle. What bore diameter is an 8-bore in inches?



The “8 Bore” rifles groove-groove varied from .835” (paper case cartridge) to .875” (thin all brass case).
So basically 7/8”
This Lewis measures .855” in the grooves.

The 4 Bore measured variously right about 1”

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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: NitroX]
      #356348 - 25/08/21 08:58 AM

.835"
Being a rifle the barrels are thicker tan ball gun (mine .835 also) or shotgun
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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: TH44]
      #356349 - 25/08/21 09:41 AM

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.835"
Being a rifle the barrels are thicker tan ball gun (mine .835 also) or shotgun
TH



Yes, fully rifled bores. This Lewis' barrels weigh 9 lbs 3 oz, the rifle unloaded weighs 15 lbs 8 oz..
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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: 3DogMike]
      #356401 - 28/08/21 11:26 AM

Hi Mike - beautiful bore rifle. Thank you for sharing so much great info. I thought you might find these dimensions interesting for comparison...I have a very nice William Ford chamberless 10 from the 1920s. Full coverage engraving. Lovely gun. So it has 8 bore barrels and 10 gauge chambers, proofed for 3.25 thin brass cases and 2.25oz of shot. Barrels weigh half what yours do (4.95 lbs) and barrels are very thick through to the muzzles.

Here are some additional measurements:

at the breech, total width across both barrels is 2.592"
height of right barrel at breech from flats to 12 o'clock: 1.365"
height of left barrel at breech at same point: 1.374"
barrel thickness at breech, measured just inside the cut for rim: 0.243"
diameter of rim relief cut: 0.936"
diameter of chamber just inside rim: 0.862"
width across both barrels at muzzle: 1.874"
height (diameter) of barrels at muzzle: 0.961"
thickness of barrels at muzzle: 0.085"


The barrels are 30" long. Total weight is 10.2lbs.

More info at https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=276052&page=1


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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: CJF]
      #356409 - 30/08/21 12:11 PM

Hello Chris,
Interesting measurements, thanks for adding to the thread.
I will have to measure the Lewis and post the results.
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Re: G.E. Lewis 8 Bore…the "Clobber Pipe" [Re: 3DogMike]
      #356417 - 30/08/21 02:16 PM

Thanks for the answers and measurements.

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