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gatsby
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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: rigbymauser]
#114632 - 17/09/08 12:09 PM

I believe Holland kind of searched for a "normal" paradox 10 bore load upon introduction. You find several 6 dram and other anomalies in some early guns. They did settle on the 10(9)bore 2 7/8 case 8 dram load with a 900gr+ bullet at 1465fps. That is the load that they duplicated with cordite for their nitro paradox 10(9) bore, the last to made in 1929. One other note, all the Holland 10 bore rifles and paradoxes excluding the Julia gun I have seen (more than a dozen)have had dished actions, many made by presumably Scott.

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Sarg
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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: gatsby]
#114651 - 17/09/08 06:25 PM

I havn,t got the weight for the barrels & no scales , sorry , they are very heavy & 24in long !
Yes I really like the engraving & the massiveness of the whole rifle ! I,m going to try for a 8 bore one day !

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gatsby
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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: Sarg]
#115241 - 23/09/08 04:15 PM

Here are a couple of Holland load sheets from the original cases.

Sarg,
I would like to see photos of all the engraving on all sides of your 12, if you ever get the chance.

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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: gatsby]
#115346 - 24/09/08 08:51 AM

Gatsby , I have posted 3 sides of the Tolly under J W Tolly, the other side is the same , but the Elephant is looking at you on the other side , I hope that will do ?
Thank you for the interst in it , if you find any info on the Tolly or know some loads please let me know !

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gatsby
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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: gatsby]
#116576 - 10/10/08 03:48 AM

I guess the Holland 10 at Julias sold for about 24,000.00 US with buyers premium. It was fully rifled and a 3 1/4" 8 dram gun, and I suppose a true 10 bore(.775).

Sarg,
I went back and looked at your photos, very nice and very unique.

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"Recoil is insignificant when there is a tiger on the head of your elephant" The Maharaja of Cooch Behar

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rigbymauser
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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: gatsby]
#116792 - 13/10/08 03:49 AM

Just been reading Bartle Bull "safari chronical". On page 145 the book mentiones that Arthur Neumann used a heavy 10 bore from H&H, when he felt his .577 wasn`t enough. He preferred solid lead bullets.

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gatsby
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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: rigbymauser]
#116795 - 13/10/08 04:30 AM

RigbyM,
If you can find a copy of With rifle in 5 Continents by Paul Niedick it is a good read. Mr. Niedick uses a 10 bore paradox to dispatch an Indian elephant, a hippo and a buffalo. He often reaches for the Holland in sticky situations or for the coup de gras. He also has a couple of comments on the recoil of the gun and at times seems quick to hand it off to another in the hunting party. I think a big 10, as bore guns go, is the perfect balance between power and recoil.

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Re: 10Bore Holland &Holland... [Re: gatsby]
#116806 - 13/10/08 05:28 AM

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RigbyM,
If you can find a copy of With rifle in 5 Continents by Paul Niedick it is a good read. Mr. Niedick uses a 10 bore paradox to dispatch an Indian elephant, a hippo and a buffalo. He often reaches for the Holland in sticky situations or for the coup de gras. He also has a couple of comments on the recoil of the gun and at times seems quick to hand it off to another in the hunting party. I think a big 10, as bore guns go, is the perfect balance between power and recoil.

Thanks Gatsby

Any reading with someone who pulls a double 10 up from the south/west positioned scabbard when trouble troubles , can keep me awake...yehaaaa...

Edited by rigbymauser (13/10/08 05:35 AM)

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