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Ripp
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Mountain Lion Problems..
      #349840 - 29/01/21 04:35 AM

Been an interesting last few days in our neighborhood. This is only about 4 miles out of a good sized city (By Montana's standards)

A deer was found killed in the middle of a frozen pond on Sunday.. yesterday, 80 yards below my house another was found.. both killed apparently by a mountain lion.. tracks in snow ..

The newer neighbors who have moved her from other urban areas are freaking out.. don't want the deer to be killed by the large kitty..but don't want the lion to be killed either..


I am constantly amazed how people move to more rural locations.. but are not willing to accept nature as it is.. Looking at the tracks and length of stride, its not a big lion..my guess a juvenile trying to make his way in the world. We have little to no snow around so its more difficult as well for the predators of the world.. but, they still need to eat..so they will hunt until they find food..

Its going to get really crazy when one of the little indoor pets go missing..

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DarylS
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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: Ripp]
      #349844 - 29/01/21 04:49 AM

We're getting them more and more around here, too. They've been very slow to increase in population, not like the damn wolves.

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Ripp
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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: DarylS]
      #349850 - 29/01/21 06:59 AM

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We're getting them more and more around here, too. They've been very slow to increase in population, not like the damn wolves.




Agreed--it's amazing how fast the packs grow...

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Waidmannsheil
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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: Ripp]
      #349851 - 29/01/21 07:33 AM

Ripp, we have exactly the same thing in Australia. Dickheads from the city move the the country to enjoy a "Tree Change" and then try and change the way people live in those areas. Interestingly most will immediately stick signs on the fences and gates saying "Land for Wildlife" which means I am a greeny so don't come asking to hunt. However within a few months or less when their chickens and ducks have been killed they come begging for local hunters to come out and kill the foxes and feral cats.

It's the same with the wild ducks. At first when they shift in they love all the ducks landing on the back porch and the decking and giggle and take photos when they land in the pool but within weeks they are calling for hunters to "Kill ever duck they can" including asking you to break the law by shooting out of season and/or massive bags, all because the porch, decking and pool are covered from top to bottom in duck shit.

Interestingly the reason their chickens often are killed so easily is because these idiots don't realise or don't want to believe that a fox or feral cat would actually kill a chicken, because of course in Hollywood they all live happily together. Consequently when you have a look at the enclosures that they have for their chickens they are usually so poorly designed that the fox must be laughing his head off at how easy it is for them to get in.

Incredible how stupid people can really be, and it makes no difference whether they are wealthy or not, plenty of dickheads in both camps.

Matt.

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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #349862 - 29/01/21 10:21 AM

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Ripp, we have exactly the same thing in Australia......how stupid people can really be, and it makes no difference whether they are wealthy or not, plenty of dickheads in both camps.

Matt.



My grandniece is a perfect example of this, her head fed with all this crap from high school, when she goes to my sister's place she gets a healthy dose of reality! Chalk & cheese it is!
The great leveller is history which is not being taught, it is a constant fight for these young ones, Even the younger blokes at work get a reminder every now & then when they start spruiking this crap; perhaps I'm turning into the 'grumpy old bastard', but frankly I don't give a damn. I'm not going to roll over to this crap coming out!


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Ripp
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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #349864 - 29/01/21 02:30 PM

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Ripp, we have exactly the same thing in Australia......how stupid people can really be, and it makes no difference whether they are wealthy or not, plenty of dickheads in both camps.

Matt.



My grandniece is a perfect example of this, her head fed with all this crap from high school, when she goes to my sister's place she gets a healthy dose of reality! Chalk & cheese it is!
The great leveller is history which is not being taught, it is a constant fight for these young ones, Even the younger blokes at work get a reminder every now & then when they start spruiking this crap; perhaps I'm turning into the 'grumpy old bastard', but frankly I don't give a damn. I'm not going to roll over to this crap coming out!




I feel your pain.. and perhaps I too have become the "grumpy old bastard".. but, as you, my give a shit button broke about 2 years ago...

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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: Ripp]
      #349879 - 01/02/21 02:56 PM

Do mountain lions pose a threat to your children at all?

I would imagine they do pose some threat to younger children if encountered and a hungry cat.

What about adults?

Do mountain lions ever purposefully hunt humans? Or as with some big cats, humans are avoided but might be a prey of convenience or opportunity at rare times?

I would imagine, a mountain lion would generally avoid humans. But if they are hunting so close to human habitation .... ?

I am sure pet dogs would be a prime mountain lion prey animal. Just like leopard in Africa and Asia.

Are there any historical or modern accounts or recordings of maneater mountain lions?

As to wolves, when I stayed with Sville in Sweden who was living then at his house in a forest, he was concerned about his daughter having to walk some 5 or 7 kms or bicycle, along a forest road to get to a bus stop. And that the increasingly breeding up wo0lf population might be a risk to children. A problem right out of history, and "dark" forest stories. But a modern problem with introduced wolves and protection.

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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: NitroX]
      #349884 - 01/02/21 04:50 PM

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Do mountain lions pose a threat to your children at all?

I would imagine they do pose some threat to younger children if encountered and a hungry cat.

What about adults?

Do mountain lions ever purposefully hunt humans? Or as with some big cats, humans are avoided but might be a prey of convenience or opportunity at rare times?

I would imagine, a mountain lion would generally avoid humans. But if they are hunting so close to human habitation .... ?

I am sure pet dogs would be a prime mountain lion prey animal. Just like leopard in Africa and Asia.

Are there any historical or modern accounts or recordings of maneater mountain lions?

As to wolves, when I stayed with Sville in Sweden who was living then at his house in a forest, he was concerned about his daughter having to walk some 5 or 7 kms or bicycle, along a forest road to get to a bus stop. And that the increasingly breeding up wo0lf population might be a risk to children. A problem right out of history, and "dark" forest stories. But a modern problem with introduced wolves and protection.




There was a predatory attack just last week near whistler, bc.
"UPDATE: Cougar attack in BC was predatory, COS confirms

(UPDATE: Jan. 26 @ 12:45 pm): The COS has now determined that the cougar attack on a man north of Whistler was predatory.

The cougar was a young, emaciated male, conservation officers explained.

"While such attacks are rare, a highly motivated cougar desperate for food is more likely to attack a human," the COS added.

"The COS would like to emphasize that the victim took the right steps in the event of such an encounter and fought back against the cougar, which likely saved his life."

<who> Photo credit: COS </who> Cougar prints at the scene of the attack.
Photo credit: COS
Cougar prints at the scene of the attack.

COS staff remain on site at the man's property and will "continue to monitor the situation" and guarantee public safety.

The service added: "[Officers] believe the offending cougar was the one put down yesterday and the public is not at risk. The public is urged to be prepared in case of any wildlife encounters.

"If you are confronted by a cougar, make yourself look as large as possible and keep the cougar in front of you at all times. Never run or turn your back on a cougar, as the sudden movement may provoke an attack. If you are attacked, fight back."

(Original story: Jan. 26 @ 6:15 am): A man is in hospital with serious injuries after being mauled by a cougar on Monday afternoon.

It happened near the man’s property in the Soo Valley, to the north of Whistler, at about 3:30 pm.

The 69-year-old “was mauled by a cougar and suffered major injuries to his face and hand,” the Conservation Officer Service (COS) said.

<who> Photo credit: 123RF </who> A file image showing a cougar.
Photo credit: 123RF
A file image showing a cougar.

He was taken to hospital in an ambulance and is now thought to be in a stable condition.

Whistler RCMP later killed the cougar.

The COS said it does not believe there is a risk to the public."


Every cougar killed in BC is required to be inspected, measured and sampled by a Compulsory Inspector. This is the requirement for cats that are harvested by sportsmen and those taken by various law enforcement agencies. In my capacity as a Wildlife Specialist for the the Livestock Protection Program and as the Compulsory Inspector for the lower Fraser Valley I get to see many if not most of the cougars killed in a significant part of British Columbia. Every year there are several cougars killed within housing subdivisions between Hope and West Vancouver and even more are taken due to depredation on livestock on the more or less 5 to 20 acre parcels in the lesser populated lowlands of the Fraser River Valley. In other words there is no real shortage of cougars living in and adjacent to a population of 2.7 million persons.

Every year I have hunters bring in cougars for inspection and tell me they were being stalked or charged by the cougar they harvested. On the other hand the big cats seem to harvest almost nil hunters or other human residents. The evidence is that the big cats roam the yards at night in much of the Lower Mainland with very long periods between human/cougar conflicts that result in human injury. In fact I can not remember an incident of cougar depredation on a human in the lower Fraser Valley. They will eat your dog or cat and they can subsist on skunks and raccoons in the city but humans seem to be off the menu for most healthy cougars. However, every once in a great while a cat will for some reason get hungry enough to try to sample long pig or have some excuse to injure or kill a human. There have been a number of instances elsewhere where people riding bicycles were attacked by cougars which suggests to me that cougars might in those cases be triggered by the thought of fleeing prey.

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Ripp
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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: NitroX]
      #349892 - 02/02/21 04:08 AM

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Do mountain lions pose a threat to your children at all?

I would imagine they do pose some threat to younger children if encountered and a hungry cat.

What about adults?

Do mountain lions ever purposefully hunt humans? Or as with some big cats, humans are avoided but might be a prey of convenience or opportunity at rare times?

I would imagine, a mountain lion would generally avoid humans. But if they are hunting so close to human habitation .... ?

I am sure pet dogs would be a prime mountain lion prey animal. Just like leopard in Africa and Asia.

Are there any historical or modern accounts or recordings of maneater mountain lions?

As to wolves, when I stayed with Sville in Sweden who was living then at his house in a forest, he was concerned about his daughter having to walk some 5 or 7 kms or bicycle, along a forest road to get to a bus stop. And that the increasingly breeding up wo0lf population might be a risk to children. A problem right out of history, and "dark" forest stories. But a modern problem with introduced wolves and protection.




Agree with DRACB--similar here as to experience..

YES, they do post a potential threat to young children.. however in the 31+ years of living here in Montana or my prior life in N Dakota..no of no child killed by one..and there are plenty of lions around..I see sign of them all the time I am out and about..just don't actually see them ...

Mtn lions do love house cats.. we have a friend who lost 3 in a couple weeks to one..


In all the time I have been out in the wild, I have only seen 3 ..other than the ones we treed with dogs..

A lot of times when they come lower like this its younger cats moving into their areas.. plus we have had low snow fall so makes it harder for predators to hunt..trapping them in deep snows..

Wolves are another story--they are spreading out throughout SW Montana.. there is a small pack near the ranch now--10 miles.. I am keeping an eye out of them every time I am there.. driving the outlying perimeters looking for sign..

AND as much as the libs try to hide it there are documented cases of wolves attacking and killing humans..school teacher out jogging in Alaska for one..several in Canada..



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DarylS
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Re: Mountain Lion Problems.. [Re: Ripp]
      #349900 - 02/02/21 05:17 AM

Young mother beat a cougar off her kid in Chilliwack (B.C.) many years ago - in the 70's I think it was. I was in Surrey at the time. The cougar was a young one, apparently, just kicked out of the family unit.
The child was in a play pen outside, in the back yard.
Kid was screaming - cat was screaming and the young mom mom whacked it several times with a corn broom very much vocal about it - the cat dropped the kid and fled. 1 - account.

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