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375RugerNo1
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375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe
      #111169 - 05/08/08 11:48 PM

Pictures first!

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111170 - 06/08/08 12:02 AM

Shot at 40 yards (lasered afterwards).

Quartering shot through the right thoracic cavity destroyed both lungs the entire top half of the heart and the left acromion process (shoulder). Only meat damage was due to the entrance hole and exit hole. It looks slightly blood shot but it ended up just being some blood trapped around the outside and not actually damaged meat.

I'm sold on the H&H on deer. My brother's .308 with 165gr and 150s does far more damage to the animal. Nice, slow, big, and well built bullets seem to be perfect for harvesting game.

I don't think I'll ever shoot a deer with a .243 good grief (unless it's a long ways away and the bullet will have had time to slow down).



We had to sneak up on this deer (part of a "herd" of 4).
We saw the deer in the field next to the one we were traversing. However, they were much to far away to shoot through trees etc. that separated the fields. My brother and I had to crawl across 100 yards or so of field to a raised bank of a creek to watch them and then down through the creek and into the next field over where we spied them walking up the side of the mountain (we thought they had left). My brother indicated quietly that they were actually on the side of the mountain to our left and up went our rifles. Probably took 3 seconds from the time our rifles started coming up to my shot.

a 1x scope (burris short mag which is actually 1.5x) isn't always the best choice but It's hard to beat for fast shots!!!!

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111171 - 06/08/08 12:18 AM

Impressive. What bullet is that?

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: bigmaxx]
      #111172 - 06/08/08 12:49 AM

Sierra 300gr (boat tail) Game King.....I've heard of it failing on nastier creatures...and that It has worked well on them....I don't honestly know as this is the only animal I have dispatched with it.....so far


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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111173 - 06/08/08 12:52 AM

Cont.




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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111174 - 06/08/08 01:17 AM

She tottered just a couple yards downhill (I feel that gravity probably played a big part in that) before collapsing as you see her in the first set of pictures. I couldn't have asked for a better shot opportunity. Hoooooray for practicing shooting offhand at the range!!

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111182 - 06/08/08 03:35 AM

Good shot! Fine eating. Its amazing how LITTLE most shooters practice offhand. It makes a huge difference. Glad you guys in these forums started me doing that when I showed up here!

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: bigmaxx]
      #111196 - 06/08/08 08:50 AM

Certainly was tasty though we discovered my brother's much smaller doe was far tastier....::sigh::...ah well

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111281 - 07/08/08 11:20 PM

I have the exact same results using a 375 H&H Federal Premium Safari 250gr soft point. Very little damage to the meat. Certainly much less than a shotgun slug. I use a 375 for everything that I hunt in North America.(Where I can use a rifle that is) Elk, Moose, Pronghorn, Mule deer and Whitetail. Glad to hear someone else uses a 375 H&H for deer.

By the way, that is very good photographic documentation I must say.

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: MKresinske]
      #111282 - 07/08/08 11:51 PM

I may try loading some .375 ruger with that bullet for deer season myself!

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: MKresinske]
      #111284 - 08/08/08 01:00 AM

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Glad to hear someone else uses a 375 H&H for deer.



My SAKO .375 was my primary deer rifle for years. This type of performance is pretty typical.

I had one failure with the 300 Sierra and ceased using it as a result. In the ole days, stuck with Big Stick 4350, I couldn't get enough of the stuff in the case to allow proper seating of the bullet {dictated also by OAL/magazine length}. Result was, velocity was only 2300 fps. Not super slow, but...

From a rim above, I shot a small knobhead at 270 paces that was feeding on an alfalfa flat below me. I am not certain what the impact velocity was but the deer took off like a racehorse at the shot, and I was able to watch it run hard for at least 200 yards across the field before it disappeared into the adjoining sagebrush.

I called the shot and knew it was good. I eventually found the deer, too, literally tripping over it as it must have died in midstride and must have hit the ground at speed, causing it to slide under the sage and hiding it from my view as I walked.

Bullet took the critter behind the shoulder, and from the angle took one lung high and the other lower.

Both holes were 3/8 inch and looked like they'd been pushed thru slowly with a greased tent stake.

Sometimes the "eating right up to the hole" is not an advantage, especially when the hole is bullet diameter.

Just a warning; some .375 bullets may not open enough when the game is small and the resistance to the bullet slight.

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #111286 - 08/08/08 01:40 AM

The fellow I sold my BRNO .375 to in 1976, used it on Vancouver Island on it's smallish deer. He used 270gr. WW Power Points and 70gr. 4064. His buddies all laughed at him using the 'cannon' but after the first hunt, they all tried to buy it from him. He came back and told me "just like you said, "eat right down to the hold and no trail to follow".

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: DarylS]
      #111316 - 08/08/08 09:51 AM

I am looking forward to using my 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer on Fallow deer in a few months. The 250 gr & 270 gr bullets should do well at 2300fps & 2100 fps or so.

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: Nakihunter]
      #111317 - 08/08/08 10:44 AM

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I am looking forward to using my 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer on Fallow deer in a few months. The 250 gr & 270 gr bullets should do well at 2300fps & 2100 fps or so.



Naki:

Your 9.5 is one I'd be careful with in regards to "under"-expanding bullets. It more or less duplicates the performance of my 9.3x57, and as I've used a number of resized .375 bullets in my 9.3's, is closer yet.

You might be interested in this post:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=49260

I was quite surprised at the results of the 300 grain Hornady as it is one of the quicker-expanding bullets in the .375 H&H as demonstrated in my tests posted here elsewhere.

The good news is that very simple modifications can be made to bullets that will improve their opening up for the slower-moving rounds {or down-loaded H&H} as outlined in that post. Certainly there are bullets in .375 that would work well in your 9.5x57 that would require no modifications. But as demonstrated, even a bullet that fails to open properly can likely be made to do so with vey little effort.

I would NOT want to shoot a deer with that resized 300 Horny with an unmodified tip in my 9.3x57. It might open well, or might act just like a solid. With the tip modified as outlined, it ought to be a bomb on whitetails or elk.

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #111348 - 08/08/08 10:34 PM

I wasn't too terribly worried about the possible lack of expansion on the whitetails primarily for several reasons.

1-I make sure I know my target and behind
2-I have refused to take shots before with much more "volatile" bullets simply because I didn't feel confident that I could put the bullet where I wanted it (usually a range estimation problem on my part)(that is one thing I need to practice more).
3-Even a solid at 2500fps (prob closer to 2450 or so by the time of impact I should think??) ought to cause enough hydrostatic shock in the vital area to disrupt enough vital organs to cause a swiftly fatal "condition".


I should like to try the Hornady 300grs on deer!!

Thoughts?

Thanks for the interesting comments gents

Pat

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111349 - 08/08/08 10:36 PM

Oh and I could always take the legendary "Texas Heart Shot" if I needed to (a lack of expansion would certainly aid in that)!!!! hehe

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111350 - 08/08/08 10:54 PM

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I should like to try the Hornady 300grs on deer!!

Thoughts?

I have had excellent results with the Hornady 300 Interlock on deer and elk and one blue wildebeest. It is not a super-deep penetrator but opens well at .375 H&H velocities out to at least the farthest range I've shot game with it {200 +- yards}. These days the "Premium" .375 bullets seem to have the strongest following, but for deer and elk I would be happy to stick with the 300 Hornady, and do. Long ago, I settled on the 300 and have stuck with it. Fact is, I got the old gun out again after a few years and just shot my test with it last week, so I may lug it around this year.

Truth is, tho, that on deer, I cannot really tell any difference in killing "speed" between the .375 and several other calibers I've used including 6.5x55, 7x57, .30-06, .348 Win, .300 Sav, .45-70, etc. As you state, the hole it makes and the lack of wrecked meat around that hole are somewhat noticeable depending on bullets used and spot hit and those features are the advantages of the .375 in my opinion, not a "quicker kill" which I never could say I observed to any great extent.





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Edited by 9ThreeXFifty7 (08/08/08 11:34 PM)

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111357 - 09/08/08 04:04 AM

375Ruger - If purposely hunting deer with a .375, I'd be inclinded to try the new Hornady 225gr. spire Point. It has a heavy jacket and is designed for deer for the H&H as well as the Ruger .375's.
; We swage it down for use in our 9.3's and it's very accurate in those Husky's. My rifle gets 100fps higher velcity with the same load I use with 232gr. Normas. I've running the 225's at 2,550fps. At that speed, or higher, they are a good solid 300 yard deer bullet.

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: DarylS]
      #111379 - 09/08/08 10:32 AM

Here's something to compare .375RugerNo1's photos with.

I like the larger moderate-velocity calibers on deer. Just as stated by .375Ruger, depending on bullet/velocity they can provide very good killing speed without explosive effect and ruined meat.

Here's an example of the Prvi Partizan 285 grain RN run at 2100 fps muzzle velocity, shot from my HVA146 9.3x57. Deer shot at just about 200 meters. Opened well, and inside {sorry, no pix there} was very little ruined meat.

Also a pretty good sized whitetail doe:



Entry:



Exit:



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Edited by 9ThreeXFifty7 (10/08/08 09:55 AM)

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #111438 - 10/08/08 06:28 AM

9ThreeXFifty7 -I am assuming you are speaking of Hornady's 300gr BTSP ?? not the RN?


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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111444 - 10/08/08 10:00 AM

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9ThreeXFifty7 -I am assuming you are speaking of Hornady's 300gr BTSP ?? not the RN?


Pat



Pat, I have NO experience with the Hornady 300 BTSP. I've never even shot one. When I started with the .375 H&H, it wasn't made.

All my experience with Hornady 300's is with the 300 Round Nose. For what I do and have done with it, I like it very much.

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 9.3x57]
      #111498 - 10/08/08 10:39 PM

9ThreeXFifty7-

Thanks! That just so happens to be one of the bullets on hand!

Pat

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 375RugerNo1]
      #111524 - 11/08/08 04:19 AM

I used a .375 H&H on my hunt for a 200 pound (+-) Axis deer last winter. It was the only Scoped rifle I had and was asked to bring a scoped rifle for longer shots. 200 yard plus.
The reality was that the only shot I got in three days of hunting was at about 45 yards, at a deer moving as fast as it could run, in a space less than 50 yards from appearance from one cedar gully to disappearing in the next. My lead was not very good and I took in through the lungs back from the shoulder and (of course) out the other side. (Photo shows exit wound) This was with a 270 grain Federal RN SP, not a 300.
I had the scope at three power, but wished at that moment that I was had in my hands one of my iron sighted Mausers and not this modern arm.
The deer did keep going for about a total of 1/2 mile. We tracked by blood, down to the creek, up the other side, down to the creek and up the other side , etc. (If I counted the up and down hills through the trees I would get pretty tired again!). Well, long story is we found him down. Son put a .223 between the shoulder blades from above and it was over. This was on an old ranch owned by a family who inherited the population of Axis, blackbuck, white tail, some others that have grown in population over about 30 years and more. We were asked on the hunt to thin the population a bit to give more room for the whitetails. My son took the blackbuck at 75 yrds, at a slow trot, in the neck.

Photo 88MauSporter (with borrowed .375 H&H Rem 700)



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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: 88MauSporter]
      #111533 - 11/08/08 06:23 AM

Looks like a good healthy Axis deer for sure. Way to go. I am surprised at the distance covered, though. I've not had a lung shot deer make 100 yards, so far. knock on wood!

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Re: 375 H&H 300gr SGK 2500fps 150lb white tail doe [Re: DarylS]
      #111537 - 11/08/08 06:46 AM

88:

Thanks for a very interesting post!

Great teamwork you and your son, too!

And thanks for adding what I think must be made clear to those who have never used bigger calibers on deer.

Just because they are hit by a .375 doesn't mean they won't run. And run they sometimes do, particularly when lunghit. Distance may be short, and on a solid broadside shot with no heart or shoulder struck, most certainly go down within a couple hundred yards, but sometimes I hear fellows say they are buying this or that cannon because they want their deer to drop at the shot. Well, it doesn't happen that way all the time, and anytime the gun goes off a rigourous search should be made.

One of the reasons I coach my kids about calling the shot is that in the field it has been extremely helpful on "runners", calibers regardless. When my son or daughter tells me the crosshairs were here or there, I KNOW they were, and can judge the followup accordingly. We drill that incessantly. This pays off. Last year we collected a deer that took a bullet that clipped a branch and deflected. My son told me exactly where the crosshairs were when the trigger broke {right down to the hair shade on the shoulder}, so I knew something was "up". After some searching, I literally found the clipped branch the bullet had hit before hitting the deer. I figured since the animal was about 25 yards from the branch, the bullet would have still been lethal, and it was. Four hours later we collected that buck.

The fellows who don't know where the sights were at the shot and who don't see the critter drop are faced with a big temptation to call it a "miss" instead of a hit, and may decide to head back to the shack for coffee and call it a day.

"The critter took off at the shot and that big gun would have dropped it if I hit it" all too often really means "I'm damn scared of that cannon and I have no idea where the bullet went."

A big powerful rifle does not guarantee instantaneous kills. Thanks for reminding us, 88!

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