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muzzle loader at auction
      #256429 - 09/11/14 01:09 AM

nice german hunting rifle, 10 mm caliber
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5145888














14mm caliber hunting rifle by Christoph Funk/ Suhl
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5145917













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #256439 - 09/11/14 07:01 AM

Nice rifles - I do not understand the pricing - what is 530,00 Euro and 705,50 Euro?

Would that be close to 1,000.00 US or CDN and 1,200US or CDN?
If so, I'd estimate they are decently priced, maybe even excellently priced, especially the second one, the 14 mm rifle.

The patent breech on the second rifle is especially nice to see, along with what appears to be a 1/2 cock safety - a really nice rifle.

Hopefully the bores are in good shape as well.

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      #256455 - 09/11/14 02:53 PM

thats the price the auction have reach now but there is some time left and the last 3 minutes make it

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #256467 - 09/11/14 06:48 PM


Some very nice (spectacular, actually) percussion rifles in the upcoming auction at Holt's:

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...1&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...9&saletype=

And many more.

Sorry, copy-pasting the pictures did not work for me.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: fuhrmann]
      #256470 - 09/11/14 08:45 PM

yes the holt's site is not very user friendly



sale A1214 Lot 496

J. & W. TOLLEY, BIRMINGHAM
A CASED .500 PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING RIFLE FOR DANGEROUS GAME, serial no. 5251,
circa 1855, with blued octagonal 28in. barrel, the matted top-flat signed 'J. & W. TOLLEY, ST MARY'S SQUARE, BIRMINGHAM' within a plain rectangle, dove-tailed beaded blade fore-sight, folding ladder rear-sight with sliding elevator, squared breech with scroll engraved detail and moulded percussion snail, borderline and scroll engraved top-tang, border and scroll engraved bar-action lock signed 'J. & W. TOLLEY', the front of lock featuring an engraved tiger, carved and engraved dolphin-headed hammer, chequered walnut pistol-grip half-stock, iron furniture including full-length trigger-guard tang, moulded hor fore-end tip and brass-mounted ramrod TOGETHER WITH a mahogany storage case, re-compartmented and lined in green baize and complete with a period flask, a scissors ball-mould, a cap-tin, a turn-screw and a nipple-pot












Sale A1214 Lot 506

NAGEL, BADEN
A GOOD 22-BORE PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING-RIFLE, no visible serial number,
circa 1850, with browned slightly swamped octagonal barrel, the top-flat signed in gold 'G. NAGEL IN BADEN, twin gold band at muzzle, similar banding at breech, dove-tailed bead fore-sight, dove-tailed standing notch rear-sight with additional folding leaf, scroll engraved breech-block and long top-tang, spirally carved nipple-snail with platinum plug, scroll engraved bar-action hump-back lock with stepped tail and signed within an engraved banner 'G. NAGEL IN BADEN', scroll engraved hammer, walnut full-stock chequered at the wrist, iron patch-box to right hand side of butt with scroll engraved hinge and a cover featuring a stag in a woodland setting leaping a low fence, iron heel-plate with short top-spur, provision for oval escutcheon to the underside of butt (missing), scrolled pistol-grip trigger-guard tang, scroll engraved trigger-guard bow, double set-triggers, scroll engraved moulded sideplate, plain ramrod thimbles and original iron-mounted wood ramrod, much original finish throughout

Other Notes: A note from the vendor stated that this rifle was purchased by him from Mssrs. Wallis & Wallis in the 1960's for the sum of £14. It was formerly in the collection of The Duke of Hamilton, Brodick Castle, Isle of Arran and was probably purchased new from the maker by Karl Ludwig Friedrich, Grand Duke of Baden, whose daughter married the 11th Duke of Hamilton in 1843

Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.

Estimate £1,500-2,000





Sale A1214 Lot 520

JAMES PURDEY, LONDON
A FINE 14-BORE PERCUSSION SINGLE-SHOT SPORTING-RIFLE, serial no. 2233,
circa 1850, with re-browned twist iron octagonal multi-grooved 29 1/2in. barrel, the top-flat signed 'J. PURDEY, 314 1/2 OXFORD STREET, LONDON', dove-tailed bead fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight, plain angular breech with platinum lines and vented plug, scroll engraved top-tang, the top-flat featuring a mask of a tiger, borderline engraved bar-action lock signed 'PURDEY', the front also engraved with a scene of stags at rest, the tail with scrolls, scroll engraved hammer with sliding safe behind, chequered walnut half-stock with raised cheek-piece, iron patch-box to right hand side of butt with engraved hinge, the circular lid engraved with a seated doe and a standing stag beneath a tree, the whole scene with a rope-twist border, iron scroll-engraved heel-plate with a running boar to the top-spur, engraved trigger-guard tang with chequered pistol-grip spur, border engraved trigger-guard bow with a central scene of a bolting stag, engraved finial, moulded iron ramrod throat and horn fore-end tip, plain thimbles to the under-rib and substantial ebony mushroom-headed ramrod







A. HENRY, EDINBURGH
A FINE .451 PERCUSSION DELUXE-GRADE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 883,
circa 1860, with heavy octagonal browned twist 33 1/2in. barrel with Henry rifling, the top-flat signed 'ALEXr. HENRY 8 SOUTH ST ANDREWS ST EDINBURGH' near the breech and 'PATENT NO. 427 GAUGE 451' forwards of the rear-sight, the front half of the top-flat cross-hatched and matted, broad dove-tailed bead fore-sight, rear-sight with four graduated folding leaves, each marked with the respective range and scroll engraved with a central platinum line, the breech-block with engraved bands, scrolls and featuring the mask of a lion to the top, engraved platinum plug, fully scroll engraved top-tang, borderline and scroll engraved bar-action lock (much colour remaining) signed 'ALEXr. HENRY' below the hammer and featuring engravings of a standing stag to the front and a prowling tiger to the tail, slab-sided fully scroll engraved moulded hammer with dolphin head and blued sliding safety to the fore, chequered full pistol-grip half-stock with scroll engraved iron patch-box to the right hand side of butt, the lid with an engraving of a stag fending off wolves, scroll engraved iron heel-plate (strong traces of original blued finish) with an engraving of a leopard to the short top-spur, gold shield-shaped vacant escutcheon to the underside of stock, moulded iron pistol-grip cap with scroll engraved central cap-box, scroll engraved trigger-guard tang, the bow with a further engraving of a tiger (much blued finish remaining inside the bow), single-set trigger, engraved pineapple finial, turned ramrod throat and plain thimbles and original mahogany ramrod with locking notch to the brass tip

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: fuhrmann]
      #256490 - 10/11/14 07:57 AM

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Some very nice (spectacular, actually) percussion rifles in the upcoming auction at Holt's:

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...1&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...7&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...9&saletype=

And many more.

Sorry, copy-pasting the pictures did not work for me.

fuhrmann




THOSE are incredible and so inexpensive. You could not even begin to have a maker today build one for those expected prices - not even the higher priced ones.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: DarylS]
      #259130 - 18/01/15 01:26 AM

described as a "Elefant gun" this french made 18mm caliber muzzler loader is in any case a big game rifle

http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/elefantboesse-forlader-kaliber-ca-18-mm-m-r-de-etienne/i3672377/




















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Re: Forsyth priming [Re: lancaster]
      #260221 - 10/02/15 08:08 AM

this little .31 caliber muzzle loader deserve a first class restoration
http://www.bisgaardnielsen.dk/product.asp?product=14058&lang=uk














" with the "Forsyth Bottle" cal. aprox. 8 mm (.31) octagonial barrel. All fittings have leicht engravings. Beside an unimportant crack in the riflestock, it is in a very good condition.

Description:
This rifle use a variation of the "Forsyth bottle" - a percussionsloch whouse detonating powder instead of caps. This system was only used a very short period and it is rare."

Mister Forsyth and his missing link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_John_Forsyth

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Re: Forsyth priming [Re: lancaster]
      #260239 - 10/02/15 04:19 PM

Certainly a 'different looking' scent bottle, but very interesting, just the same. Perhaps it is a Germanic or Austrian version, as the rifle's design smacks of that area.
I do think one of Lyamn's Black Powder Handbooks has a photo or drawing of the Forsyth version.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #263431 - 12/04/15 10:01 PM

Carl Pirko a Wien 16 ga double gun
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5406601











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      #266774 - 21/06/15 08:08 PM

Büchsflinte by Peterlongo in the next Springer's auction
http://issuu.com/joh.springerserben/docs/springer_auktionskatalog17_web



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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #270067 - 06/09/15 11:25 PM

again Carl Pirco in Wien, O/U double rifle 15mm caliber
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5586800











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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #270090 - 07/09/15 09:15 AM

That is very, very nice, unusual and best quality

The work to make the "cups" around the nipples is astounding

Thank you for posting such an interesting and unusual rifle

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: TH44]
      #270092 - 07/09/15 11:08 AM

Yes- the work is very nice indeed. Nice rifle!

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: DarylS]
      #270109 - 07/09/15 05:27 PM






THOSE are incredible and so inexpensive. You could not even begin to have a maker today build one for those expected prices - not even the higher priced ones.




I agree Daryl, you can still get some very nice muzzleloader guns by big names at sensible prices. To tell the truth I enjoy shooting blackpowder shotguns more than the modern ones, messier but more involved and somehow more satisfying when you bring a bird down (or break a clay ) best


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      #276656 - 16/01/16 10:48 PM

nice 10,5mm rifle by Zach. Simson Suhl,see it in the 1860s
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/slaglaasstudsare/i4121521/#













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      #276667 - 17/01/16 04:25 AM

Spot-on, Mike.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #276786 - 20/01/16 01:19 AM

muzzle loader goose gun , so called "CANARDIERE" in france
1040mm long barrel
http://www.naturabuy.fr/CANARDIERE-A-PERCUSSIONS-CANON-RAYE-LONG-DE-1040MM-item-1210909.html




















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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #280895 - 14/04/16 10:27 PM

danish Jaeger rifle M 1791/48 so a former flintlock transformed to percussion priming
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dansk-jaegerriffel-m-1791-1848/i4231153/#



























love this old Jaeger rifles, it the service rilfe for a hunter



if you looking for big gauge muzzle loading fowler the french market have a lot of such stuff

8 ga. 94 cm barrel, 132cm oal











http://www.naturabuy.fr/CANARDIERE-A-PERCUSSION-CAL-8-item-2895409.html





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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #280910 - 15/04/16 02:49 AM

Lancaster, with regards the 16 bore SXS you posted, 16 was the smallest bore size Forsyth recommended for dangerous game in India.

In Africa, 12 bore was deemed the minimum in muzzle loaders.

It was not until the advent of strong enough breechloaders that could shoot hardened balls (conicals) that slug shooting guns could compete with the bore size ML's hardened spherical balls for 'killing' power on the big beasts.

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      #280916 - 15/04/16 04:32 AM

and it was not uncommon that such long barreled muzzle loader fowler were shortened to be used as a elephant gun

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      #281032 - 16/04/16 08:13 PM

Oh to have a wheelbarrow full of one hundred dollar bills to freely spend....

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      #281049 - 17/04/16 03:55 AM

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and it was not uncommon that such long barreled muzzle loader fowler were shortened to be used as a elephant gun




Francis Selous' 4 bore, was a Dutch made single shot fowler(seems to me), shortened for use on elephant.

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      #287331 - 03/09/16 02:41 PM

a Kuchenreuter double rifle, 14,5mm caliber
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6071415













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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #287389 - 04/09/16 10:18 PM

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again Carl Pirco in Wien, O/U double rifle 15mm caliber
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5586800














When was this one circa?

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      #287392 - 05/09/16 01:23 AM

I would estimate/guess 1850's perhaps 1860's.

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      #292351 - 20/12/16 07:52 PM

nice wall hanger for your trophy room





















http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/engelsk-tigerboesse/i4512029/#

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      #294453 - 30/01/17 01:17 AM

16 ga by Störmer in Herzberg http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/v-a-e-stoermer-perkussionsgevaer-kal-16/i4502982/#
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      #294477 - 30/01/17 10:35 AM

That is VERY nice, excellent engraving and gold lining

Thanks for posting such lovely guns

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      #296345 - 05/03/17 10:08 PM

English 8 Bore/gauge Muzzel Loader
a very interesting light 8 bore game/pigeon gun by Dyball. 34" twist barrel , 13 3/4 LOP .Very well made with twin loops and strengthened fore-end ,qualty engraving , starburst at breech, but weighing only 6 3/4 lb .Very good working order with good bore - £595
Read more at http://www.gunstar.co.uk/english-8-bore-gauge-muzzel-loader/Shotguns/888236#48sirej0BrSUBM4g.99















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      #296359 - 06/03/17 05:51 AM

Nice!

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      #296381 - 06/03/17 12:46 PM

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nice wall hanger for your trophy room





















http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/engelsk-tigerboesse/i4512029/#




THAT thing is a HORRIBLE piece of Indian home made SHITE - in my humble opinion.

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: DarylS]
      #296388 - 06/03/17 02:26 PM

Go easy there Daryl! That was someone's pride and joy back in the day. They went to a lot of work painting those tiger hunting scenes on the stock. But it is pretty ugly...

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      #302523 - 30/06/17 05:59 AM

http://www.aiolfi.com/vente/vente-milita...ysteme-dewalle/












"shotgun system Dewalle: double gun, 18 gauge, left "Dewalle Frères", right "patented in Liège". Length of the barrel: 78 cm, Total length of the weapon: 118 cm. It is a percussion weapon using the principle of superimposed charges (two charges per gun). Each barrel comprises two pistons, each plate comprising two hammers. These are actuated by a single double-acting trigger which first actuates the anterior hammer and then, with a second pressure, the posterior hammer. Dewalle was a gunmaker in Liège, worked around 1840 until 1862. The proof marks were made before 1853. The serial number (140) is very low. "

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #302574 - 01/07/17 02:39 AM

Now that is cool!
I suppose you could have the hammers on the same sear and it simply drops whichever hammer is at full cock.
Does this patent really reset the sear to the rear hammer somehow?

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      #302591 - 01/07/17 01:20 PM

Wow! Now that is different. No one else is likely to have one of those in the gun cabinet.

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      #302594 - 01/07/17 02:33 PM

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Now that is cool!
I suppose you could have the hammers on the same sear and it simply drops whichever hammer is at full cock.
Does this patent really reset the sear to the rear hammer somehow?




it would be interesting to see the lock from the inside

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      #302613 - 02/07/17 01:04 AM

Can someone explain how this gun works? Why the double hammers?

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: NitroX]
      #302617 - 02/07/17 01:30 AM

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Can someone explain how this gun works? Why the double hammers?




The double hammers on each side allow for two loads per barrel.
The first load is dropped and the patched ball seated, then another load is dropped over that ball and another ball seated.
Front hammers capped and fired first of course.
I imagine that a very precise load and ball OAL is critical as to not get in the way of the flash hole for the front charge.
I've seen this arrangement before on another rifle - forgot where.
The rear load must get quite compressed from firing the front load!

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      #302650 - 03/07/17 01:51 AM

gun is described as "Fusil" what would be a shotgun in french
I think it was mandatory to load a felt wad between the two loads to make it gastight and safe.

nice double rifle by "Fent in Steyr" having the crown of a baron it gives a good impression how expensive this double was
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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #303006 - 13/07/17 04:08 AM

http://www.ebuy.dk/astort.asp?emneid=9269&fid=8425




















side by side percussion hunting rifle.
Description:
This gun is manufactured by the small company H. Sturm in Suhl, Germany. The weapon is with beautifully engraved locks with hammers in the form of dolphins. The company name is inlaid with gold on the locks "Henr Sturm in Suhl". The company merges later with Spangenberg & Sauer. This rifle is a gift from Frederik VI, King of Denmark to Johan Wilhelm Cornelius Krieger 1788-1857 - who will be knighted on October 6th, 1829, where he receives this gun as a gift. A silver sign with the inscription "Minde Sorgenfri on 6 October 1829" has been inserted. "
The gun is richly decorated with silver fittings and engravings. Length 119 cm (barrels 79 cm)

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #303008 - 13/07/17 05:33 AM

That is a most interesting gun! Not sure what the extra lever is for in front of the cocks, however, might be a holder for the cap or tube or pill of detonating powder which might be the ignition type of this gun - very early percussion weapon due to the dates.

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      #303027 - 14/07/17 03:49 AM

yes, very valuable double rifle but thats the kind of present you get by a king

the extra lever hold the cap in place

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #303034 - 14/07/17 06:51 AM

If normal caps, they fit snuggly and need no help to stay on the nipple, which is why I suggested a tube or pill of detonating compound.

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      #303092 - 16/07/17 02:55 PM

"Hartmann in Hamburg"
12 gauge double gun, only 64 cm long barrels
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6524474













left hammer sometimes replaced but otherwise nice double gun

unknown maker but good double gun
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/perkussions-jagtgevaer-1800-tallet/i4725015/#





















Cogswell & Harrison double gun, SN 5306
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/cogswe...-slu/i4708271/#


















J.H. Schneiders Söhne / Zella St. Blasi hunting rifle
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/j-h-schneiders-soehne-perkussionsgevaer-1800-tallet/i4710033/#
























G.Gerling in Kiel double gun
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/g-gerling-kiel-perkussions-jagtgevaer-1800-tallet/i4723936/#





























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      #305480 - 18/09/17 03:33 AM

side by side combination gun C. Svendsen in Kopenhagen, ca. 14 mm caliber

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      #305506 - 18/09/17 06:18 PM

A lotto win, could do some damage here !!

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      #307091 - 31/10/17 11:26 PM

very nice 12 ga rifle by Devisme in Paris
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6660439#img














14 mm double rifle J. SPRINGER VORM NOWOTNY IN WIEN

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      #307196 - 03/11/17 10:00 PM

Wow....such beauty.

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      #307205 - 04/11/17 04:12 AM

Some beautiful guns, Lancaster - thank you for all the work you do in digging these up, along with the other thread on "Save for Me".

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      #307225 - 04/11/17 11:29 AM

I've been away for a while.
This thread warms my soul.

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      #307245 - 05/11/17 06:41 AM

my pleasure!

if I had more time for such things would go deeper into muzzle loader shooting and hunting. so its just enough lifetime to clean the black powder breech loader.

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"A SUBSTANTIAL 11-BORE PERCUSSION SPORTING-RIFLE FOR DANGEROUS GAME, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number,
possibly Persian and for the near eastern market with heavy fine damascus 29 3/4in. barrel carved with raised arabesque caps at muzzle and breech and a raised intermittent sighting rib joined with narrow carved bars, all with traces of gilt koftgari-work, dove-tailed foresight with small side protectors, folding tang sight (incomplete), the top of breech with Arabic maker's mark repeated on the borderline and scroll engraved bar action lock, scroll engraved hammer (spur repaired), walnut full-stock with carved raised cheek-piece, skip-chequered at the wrist with relief scroll carved pommel, engraved iron patch-box and heel-plate, winged sidenail escutcheon, single set trigger, sling swivels and under-barrel ramrod (wood with some cracks and repairs, one barrel-key absent) "
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"AN UNUSUAL .450 & 16-BORE PERCUSSION FOUR-BARRELLED TURN-OVER SPORTING COMBINATION GUN, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number,
possibly American, with 27in. barrel-group, the side by side shot barrels of twist iron, the heavy rifle barrels of iron, each pair with their own front and rear-sights, the rotation locked by an auxilliary trigger forwards of the guard, plain back-action locks, winged tang sight, walnut butt-stock of 'Kentucky' form with iron crescent heel-plate, raised trigger-guard lower tang, spurred bow and ramrod stored alongside barrel "
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16 ga gun
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      #308401 - 28/11/17 06:47 AM

Those are super cool! - especially the swivel barrel gun.

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      #313308 - 01/03/18 12:00 AM

double gun by Fischer ( think its understandable what this means in english, look at the sideplates) in Mehlis, later part of Zella Mehlis
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/dubbelpipig-jaktboessa/i4929517/#













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      #313310 - 01/03/18 02:11 AM

Nice! I love those hammers.

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      #313328 - 01/03/18 09:01 AM

Cordite - Plus one for the hammers

An interesting gun all round

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      #313330 - 01/03/18 09:03 AM

Cordite - Plus one for those hammers

An interesting gun all round

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      #313332 - 01/03/18 09:09 AM

I use the internet bidding when I cannot get to the auction itself

I bid on the 4 barrel and thought I had it when it came up as "sold to the internet"

When I telephoned them to pay I was told another internet bidder had put the same bid in 0.35 of a second earlier!!!

Most p......d off I would have gone much more for such an interesting item

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      #313360 - 01/03/18 08:59 PM

know it, was the owner of a Mannlicher Schönauer for fraction of second once

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      #316078 - 04/05/18 07:32 PM

14,5mm double rifle "Franz Contriner in Wien" 1811 - 1878,
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6936161
















































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      #320355 - 04/10/18 03:12 AM

16 ga double gun Rudolf Schilling in Suhl
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      #322938 - 02/01/19 07:04 PM

This is an interesting French rifle, with both flintlock and percussion ignition - something I have never seen.

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=7239984

Description in French:

Rare carabine française de grande chasse de "Devisme Breveté à Paris" à silex ET à percussion, un coup, calibre 17,5 mm. Fort canon patiné, rayé, rond, à pans au tonnerre, signé sur la bande "Devisme Breveté à Paris". Platine avant signée et chien à corps plat. Tres rare systeme de mise à feu, à la fois par silex et par percussion, certainement une commande privée vers 1840. Garnitures en fer ciselé. Crosse à fût court, en noyer en partie quadrillé et rehaussé de clous en or. Baguette en fer d'origine et en maillechort sur l'embout pour protéger les rayures. Helas il manque ca hausse d'origine à feuillet. Longueur: 118 cm longueur du canon : 79,1 cm Tres bon etat ! Vers 1840. Louis-François, Alexis et Fabrique DEVISME: fondé en 1834. Nombreux brevets d'invention français et belges, 1854-1860. Exposition de Paris en 1839 Je reste à votre disposition pour tous autres renseignements...

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      #322952 - 03/01/19 06:27 AM

give it a try with the google translator
"Rare French hunting rifle of "Devisme patented in Paris" with flint and percussion, one shot, caliber 17.5 mm. Strong barrel patinated, striped, round, with thunder pans, signed on the tape "Devisme Patented in Paris". Platinum front signed and flat dog. Very rare system of firing, both flint and percussion, certainly a private order around 1840. Trim chiselled iron. Crosse was short, partly walnut checkered and enhanced with gold nails. Original iron rod and nickel silver on the tip to protect the scratches. Alas it misses this original rise to slip. Length: 118 cm Barrel length: 79,1 cm Very good condition! Around 1840. Louis-François, Alexis and Fabrique DEVISME: founded in 1834. Numerous French and Belgian patents, 1854-1860. Exhibition of Paris in 1839 I remain at your disposal for all other information ..." make sense

the combination of percussion and flint look make its very unique! can't remember such a system before

the checkering combined with nails was ala mode in the early 1830s

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Re: muzzle loader at auction [Re: lancaster]
      #322958 - 03/01/19 07:56 AM

Wow, for the man who subscribes to Belt AND Suspenders!

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      #323049 - 06/01/19 11:17 AM

I too have never seen such a thing, lovely rifle, would be most interesting to try here out. I like the idea of the redundancy if you run out of caps, go back to flint. I imagine that was the idea of this system.

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      #323052 - 06/01/19 12:31 PM

My guess as well, Gordon.

I have seen a conversion to cap with the upright blade of the frizzen cut off and a nipple screwed into the rounded "top" of the frizzen's pan cover.

The pan could be lifted by the nipple and primed to ensuring ignition.

There was a cap-lock hammer nose held in the slightly altered jaws of the flintlock's cock.

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      #325278 - 01/03/19 12:47 AM

15 mm caliber, ex flintlock than percussion lock hunting rifle

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      #325307 - 01/03/19 10:22 PM

They are works of art !

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      #325321 - 02/03/19 07:40 AM

They certainly are that.

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      #325390 - 04/03/19 07:33 AM

and one more Ischler Stutzen from Leithner, this one a muzzle loader, ca. 1860.
Leithner obviously created a fashion and stuck to it

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      #325399 - 04/03/19 11:42 AM

A closeup of the rear sight would have been nice.

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      #326306 - 23/03/19 11:06 PM

not only best guns but most interesting too
12 ga pinfire gun made from an old muzzle loader
https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/konverteret-perkussionsgevaer/i5280310/#















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      #330384 - 22/07/19 02:14 AM

french made percussion lock fowler with one 110 cm long barrel, one trigger and two hammers + nipples
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      #330391 - 22/07/19 06:53 AM

Lancaster - I missed the post in March of the conversion to pinfire from muzzle loader

These conversions are most interesting, I have a 4 bore shotgun converted by Greener myself

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      #330395 - 22/07/19 01:27 PM

Double hammers and nipples on one barrel - definitely weird when not superposed loads ie:one in front of the other

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      #330397 - 22/07/19 03:41 PM

I believe this is a modern replica, wallhanger only!

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      #331862 - 04/09/19 04:48 AM

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      #332617 - 23/09/19 12:35 AM

nice german made full stock hunting rifle
https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/tysk-perkussions-karabin-omkring-1840/i5439903/#



























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      #332625 - 23/09/19 03:17 AM

Yes it is, nice indeed.

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      #334532 - 18/11/19 02:16 AM

Novotny in Wien, allways nice, 14 ga double gun
https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7690391












H. Kneipp in Wiesbaden, 15 mm double rifle
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10 mm single shot gun, https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=7710390

































perkussion primed breech loading pistol, 5,5 mm caliber smooth bore "Hermann Brevete"
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      #336398 - 10/01/20 05:19 AM

auction endet but beautyful revolving rifle made by peterlongo in innsbruck
https://www.icollector.com/Rare-Engraved...Rifle_i18633281





Johann Peterlongo start making colt revolver under licence for the austrian navy in 1849
https://www.icollector.com/Rare-Engraved...olver_i18633321






it seems such rifles were a speciality of peterlongo, another pinfire rifle







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      #336410 - 10/01/20 02:24 PM

Now THAT is an ornately engraved cylinder and action.

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      #337040 - 25/01/20 11:47 PM

maybe the most unusual 19 century sporting gun I have ever seen

google translator "SELL RARITY COLLECTOR CARABINER - Serial Number 35. Smooth brown barrel, in the area of the chamber okragonal, then cylindrical, caliber 10.5 mm. Lower part of the barrel with a test mark (St.Etienne). Smooth percussion lock with flap lock, opening lever on the right side of the frame. Removable shoulder rest and grip grips made of walnut wood. France 1856-1869, length with shoulder rest 82 cm. Probably EXPERIMENTAL MODEL"

https://aukro.cz/karabina-perkusni-zadovka-s-odnimatelnou-ramenni-operkou-rarita-6949503778

















looks like a submachine gun



think such shooting walking sticks are forbiddenin many countrys but here is it













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      #338835 - 09/03/20 02:21 AM

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...;currentpos=248

Percussion O/U combination gun Wender, H. Roesig in Bruck, calibre 14,5mm 68 cm octagonal barrels, rifle barrel with adjustable sights and 6 riflings, shotgun barrel of wild twist Damascus, bead missing, push-rod in front of the trigger guard blocks the rotary plate of the Wender, action and raised lockplate engraved with scroll and palm leaf, inscribed "H. Roesig in Bruck", dolphin-shaped hammer, back-action lock, trigger guard with finger rest, single set trigger, walnut full-stock carved with red deer, 32,5cm, sloping cheekpiece, sliding patchbox cover carved with scallop and chequering, original ramrod with brass tip, sling swivel eyes, year of manufacture about 1840, condition III.






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      #338843 - 09/03/20 03:36 AM

This last gun is a swivel breech gun, not a true O/U & it's a beauty. The trigger guard is the locking lever. Pull back on the front of the guard to unlatch, then turn the barrels so the "lower" barrel's nipple comes under the hammer.

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      #340235 - 18/04/20 10:13 PM

That is a mighty handsome piece and it would still make meat by the look of the bore !

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      #340248 - 19/04/20 03:16 AM

14.5mm - .57 cal. interesting. It would shoot a 27 or 26 bore ball, weighing 259gr. to 269gr.
In my post above, I should have noted, first to pull the hammer back to 1/2 bent, then pull on the front of the T-guard to unlock the barrels.

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      #343395 - 20/07/20 01:28 AM

first husqvarna muzzle loader sporting rifle I see
https://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/forladerriffel-husqvarna-i-kal-16-mm-ca/i5717408/
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      #343396 - 20/07/20 01:52 AM

Nice, but very plain and quite utilitarian. Except for the rear tang sight, very militaristic.
With that aperture sight being mounted in the wood and not attached to a longer tang, tells me the gun was given that sight by a sportsman after it was made.
Calibre roughly .63".
Quite likely, it has a Tige or Delvinge-type chamber.
Tige is a flat topped spike running up the centre of the bore mounted in the middle of the breech-plug, the length determined by the amount of powder used in the issue paper ctg. Likely a bullet & solid at this date.
Delvinge chamber has a powder recess in a smaller "than the bore" breech. This powder chamber accepts the powder charge. Slamming (throwing)the loading rod 3 times on the undersize bullet upsets the bullet into the rifling, in both designs
rather than having the progressive depth rifling and use of a hollow based slug, like other Euro and American countries used.
Austrian military guns used these two interesting "principals".
This use of these two systems is possible, but not positive. The gun may have been designed for hollow based "Minie-type" "balls" as well.

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      #347280 - 29/11/20 06:03 AM

a german stalking rifle G.F. Stender Hofbüchenmacher in Aachen,
https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/slaglaasgevaer/i5856031/















Küll stalking rifle made for Baron Gregers Christian Raben (1838-1875)
https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/perkussionsbuechse-von-aalholm/i5854613/























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      #347301 - 29/11/20 06:36 PM



What a handy walking stick. Especially if the pistol could taka modern cartridge. .45 Colt or something.

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      #347313 - 29/11/20 09:28 PM

easy to build if legal

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      #347329 - 30/11/20 04:29 AM

Very nice stalking rifle. The second one is really weird, being contained and leather washer-ed, by the looks of it.

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      #348551 - 28/12/20 04:50 PM

french made double gun with a bayonet
https://www.naturabuy.fr/Fusil-juxtapose-avec-baionnette-item-7250523.html















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      #350797 - 24/02/21 04:07 PM

french Canardiere with a 135 cm long barrel, 1,76 total
69 caliber maybe a 14 gauge https://www.naturabuy.fr/Canardiere-epoq...em-6720008.html
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      #353771 - 27/05/21 04:31 AM

* C.G. BALES, DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA

A RARE 4-BORE PERCUSSION RIFLED SHOT & BALL GUN FOR DANGEROUS GAME, serial no. P3036,
circa 1870, with round 32 3/4in. barrel signed 'C.G. BALES D'URBAN', applied fore-sight, standing notch rear-sight with two additional folding leaves, South African registration number stamped at breech, plain colour hardened double screwed top-tang, plain colour hardened bar-action lock stamped 'C.G. BALES D'URBAN', chequered walnut full-stock, iron furniture, twin barrel keys and provision for ramrod (absent along with front stirrup swivel), much finish remaining beneath an old applied lacquer, overall length 49 1/2in., weight approximately 12 1/2lbs.

Other Notes: The Port of Natal was renamed D'urban in 1835 in honour of Lt. Gen. Benjamin D'urban who was a favoured Governor of the settlers in the region. The spelling with the apostrophe continued in use until the Boer Wars, upon which it was dropped and the more recognisable 'Durban' spelling adopted.

C.G. Bales is a seldom encountered gun maker and retailer who first appeared at 26 Field Street, D'urban in 1869. By 1874 he had a store at Pietermaritzburg as well, but all advertisements for him cease by 1879. He is last mentioned in 1884 as a 'Gentleman residing in Berea'; an upmarket exclusive area of Durban. This type of percussion rifle was the favoured tool of rhinoceros hunters of the time; short and light enough to be carried distances on horse-back but packing a powerful punch, and through convenience persisted well into the cartridge era.
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      #355022 - 09/07/21 03:16 AM

danish model 1807 Jaegerrifle, notice the lock
https://de.bisgaardnielsen.dk/shop/460-rifler-og-gevaerer/10752-danemark-jagerbuchse-modell-1807/



















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      #356053 - 14/08/21 05:37 PM

lots of big bore cape guns
https://www.gunstar.co.uk/robert-hughes-.../rifles/1281255
Robert Hughes Universal Firearms Works Birmingham Side By Side Double Damascus Barrelled Muzzle Loading Percussion Rifle/ Shotgun Combination Big Game Gun (14 Smooth Bore/ .577 Calibre Rifled Bore), Irish Reg Mark ‘F173U’ (Fermanagh). - 17674
Robert Hughes was a gun and pistol maker at 22 Moland Street, Birmingham until 1872 and at 100 Moland Street from 1873. He adopted the style 'Universal Firearms Works' in 1868. His guns were well known and he was favoured in the London gun market, known for his high quality Sporting Rifles, typically sold to men traveling to Asia or Africa for big game hunting. This attractive C1870 double hammer percussion Rifle and Shotgun combination gun is the type used for hunting large game. It has 30 ½” round Damascus steel barrels and is 46 ½” overall. The rifled barrel is .577 Calibre and has a good clean bore with sharp rifling. The shotgun barrel is smooth 14 Bore which is also clean. The barrel is faintly signed ‘Robert Hughes Universal Firearms Works Birmingham. One barrel is stamped with Irish registration mark ‘F173U’ indicating that this gun was in Ireland at some point of its Victorian life (the Registration of Firearms (Ireland) Act of 22nd August 1843, provided for the granting of licences to the owners of firearms and required the arms to be marked by the Superintendent of the County Inspector of the Constabulary Force. F U mark was the designation for Fermanagh Ulster). The barrel rib is mounted with a fixed ‘v’ notch plate rear sight graduated to 100 yards and 3 leaf sights with silver aiming lines graduated, 200, 300 & 400 yards. The post from the foresight plate is absent. The action, Dolphin hammers, action tang, trigger guard with extended tang and stock mounts have quality tooled foliate decoration. The gun has double triggers. The cocking and firing actions are strong. The Walnut stock with chequered fore stock panels and steel butt plate is undamaged with just light bumps and bruises to be expected. The underside of the stock has a void inlaid silver disc and it has sling swivel lugs. The weapon has its original wood ram rod with polished horn end cap and brass tip with steel worm. The price includes UK delivery. NB As an antique muzzle loading percussion weapon no licence is required to own this item in the UK. Sn 17674
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https://www.gunstar.co.uk/thomas-conway-manchester-double-rifle-rifles/rifles/989373

English Thomas Conway, Manchester Double Barrel Side By Side Muzzle Loading Percussion Combination Cape Rifle (.600 Calibre Rifled Barrel & 12 Bore Smoothbore Shotgun Barrel) With Walnut Stock & Ramrod. Sn 14949 - 14949
This is an excellent Double barrel percussion Cape rifle made C 1850. It has 30" browned steel barrels and measures 47 " overall. The barrels, set side by side have a central flat top barrel rib. The rifle barrel is .600 calibre and the bore is clean with well defined rifling. The shotgun barrel is smooth 12 bore. The bore is clean. It has its original walnut stock with chequered panels at the fore stock and wrist. It has a steel butt plate with extended tang and trigger guard with extended tang. The metal work has nice foliage engraving to the action plates, breach tang, Dolphin hammers, trigger guard and butt plate. The action plates are both signed by the manufacturer 'Conway' (most likely Thomas Conway an English Gunsmith with premises in Manchester at 179 Chapel Street, 3 Market Street & 43 Blackfriars Street, Deansgate between 1803-1852) . Both barrels have silver roundel inserts at the breech. It has double triggers and the weapon cocks & dry fires perfectly as it should. The shotgun is fitted with blade foresight & 3 leaf flip up rear sights each with silver sighting lines. The stock has 2 sling swivel lugs and it has its original brass tipped and capped wood ramrod. The price includes UK delivery. NB As an antique percussion muzzle loading Cape rifle no licence is required to own this item in the UK if retained as part of a collection or display. Sn 14949
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https://www.gunstar.co.uk/-quality-c1850.../rifles/1348733

English Form J.S.F Botha Cape Town South Africa Retailed Double Damascus Barrelled Side By Side Muzzle Loading Percussion Combination Cape Hunting Rifle (.550 Calibre Rifled Barrel & 15 Bore Smoothbore Shotgun Barrel). Sn 18524:19 18524:19
This is a quality Double barrel percussion Cape rifle made C 1850. It has 31" Damascus steel barrels and measures 48 ½” overall. The barrels, set side by side have a central flat top barrel rib which has graduated markings, fixed open fore sight and graduated 6 leaf rear sights. There is also a panel signed J.S.F Botha Cape Town 1082 most likely a South African retailer. The rifle barrel is .550 calibre and the bore is clean with well defined rifling. The shotgun barrel is smooth 15 bore. The bore is clean. It has its original walnut stock with chequered panels at the fore stock and wrist. It has a steel butt plate with extended tang and trigger guard with extended tang. The metal work has nice tooled foliate decoration to the action plates, breach tang, Dolphin hammers, trigger guard and butt plate tang. It has double triggers and the weapon cocks & dry fires crisply. The stock is holed for sling swivels & has its brass tipped and capped wood ramrod. The price for this quality double combination Cape rifle includes UK delivery. NB As an antique percussion muzzle loading Cape rifle no licence is required to own this item in the UK if retained as part of a collection or display. Sn 18524:19 (A Victorian .550 calibre bullet mould which would make a great accompaniment to this item is available separately our reference Sn 18567)
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https://www.gunstar.co.uk/-quality-engli.../rifles/1348720

**QUALITY**English Victorian William Powell (Birmingham) Double Barrelled Muzzle Loading .500 Calibre Percussion Sporting Rifle With Patch Box & Ram Rod. Sn 18524:18 - 18524:18
Since 1802 William Powell have made exclusive handmade shotguns which are prized the world over. Their present shop in Birmingham City Centre has three departments selling guns and hunting accessories. In 1860 Powell began working from 13 Carrs Lane and became a destination for sporting enthusiasts for the next 148 years. This is a fine double barrelled Sporting rifle by the quality English arms manufacturer William Powell of Birmingham. It has a lovely Walnut stock with chequered panel wrist which has an inlaid silver escutcheon engraved with indistinct stylised monogram. Its 27 ½” steel barrel’s bores are near mint clean and bright with crisp rifling. The rifle measures 44 ¼” overall. Both action plates are signed ‘William Powell’. The rifle has original ebonised wood ram rod with brass end caps, sling swivel lugs, brass post fore sight and fixed rear sight with 2 flip up graduated leaf plate sights. It has a steel butt plate with extended tang, trigger guard with extended tang, tooled foliate decoration to the action which has double silver bands and hinged patch box to the shoulder stock. It has double triggers and heavy Dolphin hammers. The weapon cocks & dry fires crisply. The price for this quality Victorian double rifle by a famous English manufacturer includes UK delivery. NB As an antique percussion weapon no licence is required to own this item in the UK if retained as part of a collection or display. Sn 18524:18
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      #356067 - 14/08/21 08:10 PM

Versatile form of firearm for man having or carrying one gun when hunting.

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      #356493 - 02/09/21 05:43 AM

german combination gun 16 ga and 15,5 mm rifle caliber by H. Surm in Suhl
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      #361244 - 29/01/22 06:22 AM

was knowing the civil war maynard carbine with the .50 caliber brass case and the unusual rim but this
sxs combination gun 20 ga shot and .36 rifle barrel is completely new
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      #361253 - 29/01/22 07:59 AM

Definitely a percussion nipple, so cap-lock, igniting through a central hole in the rim.
I believe the first Maynard breechloaders were the same & had similar tech. to the Gallagher Carbines, but with easier extraction of the "case".
That it is shotgun/rifle combination, is icing on the cake.
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      #361264 - 29/01/22 10:39 AM

In the mid-1960s, I saw a very early Ballard that used either rimfire or percussion cap. To fire with a cap, one loaded a RF cartridge that had a hole punched in the center.

Exactly, the Gallagher was similar.
This vid. shows the loading and firing of one. A similar system but without the large rim and more normal chamber, fitting tight to the breech of the bl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9_V2gVw5jA&t=340s


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      #361282 - 29/01/22 08:00 PM

the gallagher was an extrem idea with his half chambered case to get it by the fingers after firing, the maynard was another with the big rim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvhVzDYglgY

impressive to see how much stuff a soldier had to lug around in this time

I was familar also with the later centerfire shotgun shells

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HydHlA_AYx4

RMC still offer .55 and .64 Maynard shotgun brass https://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/index_htm_files/RMC%20Shot%20Shells%20&%20Load%20Kits.pdf

the early maynard shotgun cartridge with seperate priming is probably the same case just with the small hole

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What is going on in this engraving ???

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      #361316 - 30/01/22 09:54 AM

Hunting dogs on leash, with gun behind and dead coyotes or wolves?

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      #361333 - 30/01/22 07:04 PM

Gun leaning on tree. A duck or goose hanging on the tree. Wolf hanging on tree or Fox? A sleeping or dead hound. A hound on a lease. One you d looking grumpy.

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      #361336 - 30/01/22 07:30 PM

Definitely a fox. Dunno what the bird is.

Feathers and fur, with gun and 3 hounds.

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      #361341 - 30/01/22 07:51 PM

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Definitely a fox. Dunno what the bird is.

Feathers and fur, with gun and 3 hounds.

No mystery there!




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      #361344 - 30/01/22 08:39 PM

after the hunt:
tree in background, double gun leant, bag is a fox and a big bird- anything between a crow and a eagle I would say, hitch on the tree,
three dogs, one moored with a dog lead on the tree, one in the background, one lie on the ground

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      #362185 - 18/02/22 04:29 AM

very nice hunting rifle by Funk &Söhne Suhl

https://auctionet.com/de/2089092-slaglasgevar-i-ausgewahlt-funk-sohne-suhl



















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      #362611 - 23/02/22 09:18 PM

again a german hunting rifle for sale in schweden https://auctionet.com/de/1973478-slaglas...19-jahrhunderts





















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      #362612 - 23/02/22 09:41 PM

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very nice hunting rifle by Funk &Söhne Suhl









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      #362619 - 24/02/22 05:37 AM

That is rather nice.

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      #362624 - 24/02/22 06:14 AM

around 1850 a gentlemans stalking rifle

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      #363435 - 13/03/22 06:13 AM

danish Löbnitz breech loader https://auctionet.com/de/2132953-kammerc...penhagen-patent













































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      #363437 - 13/03/22 09:10 AM

Not surprised the "action" is cracked at that location. The iron is quite thin at that spot.
Intriguing, though.
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      #363438 - 13/03/22 09:36 AM

Cracks appear to have been a result of the sharp corners which were stress risers. When that gun was made the physics of stress and its causes were not well known.
It is a cool gun fore sure, wish is was in better condition. I'm not sure if I understand how it locks up. I would assume the side lever cams the barrel back into the breech section. The listing says the, "locking lock missing." Which explains why the action is both open and closed in the pictures but the lever hasn't moved.


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      #363447 - 13/03/22 04:37 PM

the lever have an excenter that move the barrel forward, you see it in the video.
the Löbnitz action must have been from the late 1830s. while the rifle here is without doubt a hunting rifle the norwegian comrade here shoots a model 1841 pistol so we see how it works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R2SN0GmP6M

he bits the paper cartridge but it was maybe possible to load the paper cartridge complete into the chamber.


here is a pair of more elegant made civil pistols https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/A-P...-28.5.20-morphy



Based on the Loebnitz system, primarily used in rifles used by the Norwegian military until they were either converted, scrapped, or replaced by cartridge rifles. German nickel silver blade front sights dovetailed in horizontally to the top flat of octagonal barrels. Like other Kammerladers, breech controlled by a crank on the right side which forces breech open and allows loading. Notch rear sight on scalloped out section of tang. Underhammer system with notch on hammer which catches on spring mounted on bottom of trigger guard. Bag grips checkered in two panels of point pattern checkering. Interestingly, at bottom on tangs is "1" and "2", indicating the pistols were manufactured as a pair. CONDITION: Very good. Metal is essentially dove grey with some old oxidation, action and trigger guard with some very light traces of case colors. Wood is very good, with some scattered marks from handling and operation, some loss of finish to high edges. Checkering is sharp. Bores are very good with strong rifling and some light black powder abrasion. Actions work appropriately when operated by hand. A neat pair of rarely seen pistols, as Kammerladers are primarily found as rifles. This is the only pair known to exist. EW Barrel Length: (Both) 7" Caliber/Bore: (Both) .60 Percussion FFL Status: Antique Manufacturer: Danish Model: (Both) 1841 Kammerlader Cavalry Pistols Serial Number


I think have seen this pistol before but not a hunting rifle. some of them must have been made because the rifle have SN 163.

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      #363595 - 16/03/22 11:13 PM

another teutonic stalking rifle

https://simpsonltd.com/a-schmidt-percussion-rifle-c50528/











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      #365346 - 09/05/22 05:43 AM

double rifle by schilling in suhl 15,5 mm caliber , coming with extra shotgun barrels
https://auctionet.com/de/2193628-batch-lock-buchse-mit-pipset-fabrikat-schilling





















































stalking rilfe by schlütter, 12 mm
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      #365347 - 09/05/22 06:28 AM

Very nice & interesting guns. Thanks lancaster.
The double rifle with automatic nipple covers was very nice indeed.
An elaborate and very expensive rifle.

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      #369395 - 20/09/22 05:10 AM

J.L. DOTTER IN WÜRZBURG, 14 mm double rifle given as a present in 1868 https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=18449230













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      #369774 - 02/10/22 11:00 PM

percussion stalking rifle 15 mm caliber, I think by the style very early from the 1820s -1830s
very nice condition https://auctionet.com/de/2293499-aufschlagsperre-deutschland-osterreich-1600-1800





















belgian made double gun 17,2 mm caliber = 16 ga. https://auctionet.com/de/2293479-haglebossa-schlagschloss-belgien-mitte-19-jahrhundert





















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      #370862 - 29/10/22 05:34 AM

J. Adam Kuchenreuter in Regensburg,1840/50 11mm caliber https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=18491056













V. D. FECHT JUN. À. BERLIN, 1780/90, 14,5 mm caliber https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=18483390

















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      #370867 - 29/10/22 07:15 AM

Beautiful craftsmanship & time capsules!
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      #370882 - 29/10/22 02:05 PM

Yes indeed. The muzzle treatment is also unique to "Period" German made Jaegers rifles.
Many were simply filed out in the lands and grooves. Even American makers of the 1800's did this to some guns. This filing out of the muzzle, allows the loading of tight ball and patch combinations, which results in much more accurate shooting.
In Germany, the filing sometimes was quite elaborate as seen in this rifle. Today's makers in the States call this "treatment" a Hienied or Heinied crown.

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      #371416 - 13/11/22 05:45 AM

early breechloder by T.Conway/Manchester https://auctionet.com/de/2524381-kammerladegewehr-design-t-conway-manchester-um-1850
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      #372338 - 16/12/22 03:01 AM

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=18960221







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      #372345 - 16/12/22 06:01 AM

Crowd control gun.

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      #372357 - 16/12/22 10:28 AM

realy like to see a big paper shoot with this how it works and if it works in the way the maker thought it would do.

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      #372398 - 17/12/22 12:13 PM

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      #372409 - 18/12/22 04:09 AM

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realy like to see a big paper shoot with this how it works and if it works in the way the maker thought it would do.




I recall back in the 70's someone got their hands on a gun like this one, tested it and reported that it shot round patterns, just like any other shotgun. I might have dreamed that - talking almost 50 years ago.

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      #372415 - 18/12/22 06:21 AM

I believe what you say,imho, to get a wide target you have to press the pellets through a special choke bore.
think its possible and you can find out what you need with work and money.

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      #372912 - 06/01/23 08:03 PM

https://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/m-now...longi/i6324203/

M. Nowotny, Vienna. Particularly rare rifled carbine, approx. 1840. With chamber charging system. Engraved lock etc. Octagonal pipe. Tool in the flask. L: 84 cm. Accompanied by belt, associated ball tongs and powder blackpowder bag marked 'Fiebig in Odense'.







































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      #372921 - 06/01/23 10:39 PM

This is certainly one very nice carbine and thank you for sharing.

I am quite impressed with the workmanship of the overall weapon and also the bullet mold itself with regards to fit and finish. A total utilitarian item but finished to a level of art. This I am sure was an expensive piece when first made.

I didn't see any mention of bore size, just curious about what the caliber is of the carbine? I suppose one could estimate it by comparing some of the pictures and then guessing at reasonable known dimensions of firearms. For example I would estimate the width of the breech to be around 1.250" (31-32 mm). Then maybe one could work out what the powder charge may be. Just musing on a cold winter's morn.


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      #372925 - 07/01/23 04:47 AM

Weird- not sure of the ignition system- internal hammer attached to the outside hammer perhaps striking the central stud thing in the rear of the breech-block. If the nipple, it has been smashed shut by dry-firing.
Interesting mould that casts small round projectile with grooves matching the barrel's rifling already on the projectile.
It appears to 'take' a very small charge.
Well made "piece" that would not be inexpensive.

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      #372935 - 07/01/23 07:04 AM

you load one of this bullets in front, it probably sticks when you press it in. than set a primer on the nippel and fill the powder load into the chamber. obviously the outside hammer must cock an internal firing pin, maybe an internal hammer who hits on a firing pin. I don't believe an internal hammer hits the primer because it would be to complicated to seal the chamber if a hammer move into this. a hole for a firing pin is much easier.
I believe the reason for this bullets with groove is you lost a good part of the powder energy when the bullet have to be forced into the rifling of the barrel.

think we agree that this is a first class gun

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      #372942 - 07/01/23 12:11 PM

With two days to go it's at over €4k

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      #372954 - 08/01/23 02:52 AM

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Weird- not sure of the ignition system- internal hammer attached to the outside hammer perhaps striking the central stud thing in the rear of the breech-block. If the nipple, it has been smashed shut by dry-firing.



These “System Berenger” guns were forerunners of the slightly later Flobert guns in a way. They did not use a separate powder charge, but a special primer, about .400” diameter, that contained priming compound and a bit of powder. That stud in the chamber is an anvil, just like the anvil in a Berdan case. Here is a video on another such Berenger rifle. Near the end you may see a better image of the stud/anvil and the holes around, connecting primer-charge to the front part of the chamber and the barrel.
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      #372955 - 08/01/23 03:33 AM

Tks - that explains it, when he turned the guns sideways so the "idea" of a berdan-type ignition could be seen. If the priming was in a copper cup that helps seal the system it would be less of a burden to clean, otherwise, a nightmare. Maybe a nightmare anyway. It would have to use very small powder charge, or would become fouled very quickly or possibly blow the gun up from escaping gasses to the rear around the internal striker.
The metal action supports this premise.
The rifled balls are a "mechanical fit", instead of using a normal cloth patch. The bore would become badly fouled as well, if anything but a tiny charge was used.

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      #373840 - 05/02/23 07:16 AM

an austrian model of 1768 double stutzen, maybe a the only o/u combination gun ever used by the military https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/mi...-m-1768--448169

this is a rifle - shotgun combination or better a combination of a jaeger rifle and a smmoothbore musket to shoot the bullet with the rifle when having the time to load or use the smoothbore when in need. this was the gun for the special border jaeger units on the southern border agains the turks, a very rare muzzle loader today.





















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      #373842 - 05/02/23 07:32 AM

another rare austrian muzzle loader, a jaeger stutzen system augustin
https://www.waffengebraucht.at/waffen/militaria/v-e-r-k-a-u-f-t-augustin-jaegerstutzen--452451

an early percussion primed system that dont use caps but had the primer compound in something looking like a little sausage that was hanging on the paper cartridge

















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      #373849 - 05/02/23 11:01 AM

Neat!!

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      #374975 - 09/03/23 06:20 AM

maybe german made Jaeger rifle with hunting dagger as bayonet https://auctionet.com/de/2711697-patch-stossstange-wohl-deutschland-19-jahrhundert





































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      #374994 - 09/03/23 12:06 PM

Interesting the blade seems to have only been sharpened back 8" or so from the tip and only on the upper edge.
Similar bayonet mount that was on the Baker rifle, also a sword.

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      #374997 - 09/03/23 05:44 PM

the sword bayonet is something we call in german "Hirschfänger"
its hard to translate, meaning is to intersept the deer, common english translation is imho, hunting dagger but this dont get it realy.

the "Hirschfänger" was the symbol of the hunter trained for deer hunting in a time when hunter was a proffesion you have to be trained for years and this for different game.
in the beginning in length between a sword and a dagger it became a status symbol to the end of the 19. century and so lighter and shorter.


18. century hirschfänger



1930s



the military hunter units start to use the hirschfänger as bayonet and this goes back to some civil rifles like this one with checkering showing it was a private rifle.

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      #375015 - 10/03/23 03:23 AM

I have heard this called "The Hunting Sword".

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      #375024 - 10/03/23 07:52 AM

the mediavel hunting sword was much longer so you can reach the game from the saddle of your horse.

the Hirschfänger was shorter so you can run in the woods, Johann Elias Ridinger show it here how you kill the Deer with the Hirschfänger





the 18. century was endless specialised, there is a similar short saber , called Jagdplaute



that was used to hold the deer on the place when the hounds catch him until the monarch arive to kill the deer with the hirschfänger. for that purpose a hunter go to the deer from behind to cut the achilles tendons of the deer with the Jagdplaute so the deer could not move anymore.

sounds brutal but those were the times. the deer was so ful with adrenaline after the parfoce hunt he probaly don't notice it anymore but focus on the hounds around him.

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      #375027 - 10/03/23 09:43 AM

When I was younger (much younger) I wanted to 'take' a black bear with spear and a sword. Invoke a charge, and impale the bear on the spear (with cross tree), then jump to the side and off with his head using the sword.
Never got around to it. LOL

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      #375313 - 19/03/23 06:09 PM

two jaeger rifles

one Cristian Zimmermann around 1750, later change for percussion priming with what I would say reparable minor problems don#t sell for 999 euro
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19033650















the other G.A. Stormer in Herzberg 1840-1870 made in very good shape sold for 2540 euro
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19082088













looks like the customer prefer pristine and perfect stuff

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      #375317 - 20/03/23 02:29 AM

That last one is in VERY nice shape.

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      #375534 - 25/03/23 09:30 PM

nice original 18. century jaeger rifle, 16 mm caliber

https://auctionet.com/de/2759348-flint-schlosswerfer-barion-deutschland-fruhes-18-jahrhundert



















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      #375544 - 26/03/23 03:36 AM

16mm .63 cal. Wonder what the rate of twist is. Most Jaegers had quite fast ROT's.

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      #375547 - 26/03/23 03:44 AM

and still flintlock, many older rifles when in good condition were change for percussion priming after 1820

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      #375762 - 02/04/23 02:29 AM

a french made 10 bore double gun, a waterfowler
100 cm long barrels, guns is 143 cm long

https://www.naturabuy.fr/Tres-belle-Canardiere-Saint-Etienne-Cal-10-item-9267476.html






















barrels looking very good

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      #375764 - 02/04/23 02:40 AM

VERY nice. Probably would pattern quite well too, with such long tubes, the muzzle-blast/pressure would be very low.

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      #377018 - 28/05/23 06:54 PM

ex flint lock with a bayonet under the barrel by Christopher a Stralsund, made around 1800
https://auctionet.com/de/2830424-blockge...teinschloss-die

















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      #377295 - 14/06/23 03:49 AM

an antique mouse trap made from bronce, 9,8 mm caliber
https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=19172978









smooth barrel , loaded only with black powder - you put some grains under the lever and when the mouse touch it the muzzle blast alone kill it

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      #377297 - 14/06/23 11:18 PM

I have a reproduction of that mouse trap

It works

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      #377304 - 15/06/23 03:38 PM

the trigger must be very soft to work for a mouse, a little bit on the unsafe side

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      #380228 - 21/10/23 03:23 AM

belgain made four barrel shotgun https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a...52-c-bba41968ff













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      #380748 - 30/11/23 04:01 AM

another trapgun, american made 3 barrel(?) gun Patent F. Reuthe 1857, don't ask me how this works

sold for astonishing 574 euro in sweden
https://auctionet.com/de/3107762-eine-amerikanische-kleintierfalle-mitte-des-19-jahrhunderts






















another trap, alarm gun to put under a door, sold for 347 euro in britain
https://auctionet.com/de/events/556-mili...he-alarmpistole











seems there is a lot of interest in such vintage shooting devises

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      #381452 - 22/12/23 04:17 AM

10 mm Jägerbüchse by Lustmann in Wolfenbüttel https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...;currentpos=329





I would say this is a "travel gun" for a gentleman, its to well made for a simple poacher gun
https://auctionet.com/de/3181822-ein-zerlegbares-schlingenschloss-mitteleuropa-19-jahrhundert























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      #382639 - 17/02/24 07:01 AM

Heinrich Barella o/u double rifle 13,4 mm caliber https://www.dorotheum.com/de/l/8935079/#
its a Barella/ Magdeburg so before 1860 when he open a second shop in Berlin











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      #383088 - 05/03/24 05:20 AM

https://www.naturabuy.fr/Superbe-pistolet-braconnier-avec-rallonge-crosse--item-11402511.html















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      #383552 - 21/03/24 07:40 AM

some times ago I had here a similar breechloader, this time a J.P.Sauer &Sohn rifle , 8 mm caliber
https://auctionet.com/de/3408380-ein-kam...-19-jahrhundert





















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