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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: dons]
      #89269 - 19/11/07 08:47 AM

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How about the classic turn of the century 350 Rigby.



As also stated below the brass is an issue to get, but I found a supplier from Johannasen in the Nordics. What action would you use for the 350? The standard 98s I have seen had to have a arch cut in the front ring and the stripper ears milled out to accept the large cartridge.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: 333_okh]
      #183540 - 13/06/11 02:47 PM

Re-opening this topic.

I got to say even though I generally don't like the .350 calibre, not excuses, just my bad taste!, the .350 Rigby is a classic calibre and probably was a great Indian medium calibre and of increasing interest but ...


HOWEVER my first craving is the final one. It will be a .318 Westley Richards.

I also picked up .318 WR brass from Bruce Bertram last week, and some of his .318 180 gr and 250 gr SPRN's bullets.

Will also source some of Geoff McDonald's Woodleigh bullets as well.

A visit to Roger Vardy left me with three new walnut blanks as well. It never ends ...

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #183550 - 13/06/11 04:57 PM

Look forward to your progress.

Yes you are right,"it never ends"........... THANK GOD.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: FATBOY404]
      #183578 - 13/06/11 09:40 PM

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Look forward to your progress.

Yes you are right,"it never ends"........... THANK GOD.



Wrong quote, I was alluding to John's post but this is perhaps relevant...

You should have dropped through Boynton's Feathertop Winery just a few kliks before Porepunkah for a heads up. (I did)

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: kamilaroi]
      #183614 - 14/06/11 07:29 AM

Kamilaroi !!.
Do you work on being difficult or does it come naturally ?.

From NitroX.

A visit to Roger Vardy left me with three new walnut blanks as well. It never ends ...

Hence my reply !.

So please enlighten me with your grasp of the English language !!!!!!!!!!!.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: FATBOY404]
      #183624 - 14/06/11 09:28 AM

^Feathertop is just down the road from Roger's megashed. As John is a vintner I thought he may be interested to chin wag with another in the trade.

As I have enough wood from Roger for the present (10 bits) I refrained from dropping by last SAT lest I "scratch the itch".

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: kamilaroi]
      #183663 - 14/06/11 07:37 PM

I wasn't really doing a wine tour. I dropped into Brown Brothers as it was in the neighbourhood and near the Cheese Factory at Milawa. I also visited Plunkett Fowles to see if I could catch up with Matt Fowles whon is the CEO there and a keen shooter and hunter. He introduced a new label recently, "Ladies whom shoot their lunch" which seems quite successful and I wanted to try them and buy a few bottles. Unfortunately Matt was away on the day, I didn't make an appointment, but another time will no doubt we will catch up again.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282284 - 13/05/16 01:27 AM

The donor Mauser 98 action being propsed:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=282283&page=0&vc=#Post282283













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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282285 - 13/05/16 01:32 AM

Not being of sound mind, I am actually keen on this project becoming a takedown rifle project and in the end two chamberings/calibres, one in .318 Westley Richards, and the second barrel in .275 Rigby/7x57mm. Subject to being able to source a suitably figured piece of walnut matching well enough the original stock colour and figure. Stocked to match the forend design of the early 1900's but modified to allow good scope use with a higher comb.

I am keen to see something at least get started on this finally, but the never ending saga still really has not even begun.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282301 - 13/05/16 03:43 AM

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I am keen to see something at least get started on this finally, but the never ending saga still really has not even begun.



I deduce from that remark that the necessary isn't in your pocket at this time ..like most of us lol!

I`m a bit the same with my 7x64 and 416 CT builds!

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: gryphon]
      #282358 - 14/05/16 03:56 AM

John,

I would look for a better donor. No offence but that action looks quite pitted and dinged up. If the paperwork were easier I would have gotten you a better action.

I have project in the planning and have decided to for a new action.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: Yochanan]
      #282407 - 15/05/16 08:21 AM

Yes I agree, don't use that action. it's not worthy of that wood.
Although it's probably a smooth functional action, when it's finished you will hate it. Sledgehammer markings ruined all those Famage actions for custom use.
Keep you eye out for a better one, there are still plenty around.
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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: metal]
      #282410 - 15/05/16 09:40 AM

Hi NitroX,
I have to agree with the above 2 comments. I didn't like to say anything at first as I thought it may be taken as presumptuous.
Now that it has been said, there are still plenty of better 98 actions getting around. I'd be looking for an FN or one of the better contract rifles built for one of the South American countries. The small extra cost in the dollars spent on a custom build will not be remembered in future years, but if you use the Famage, every time you look at it you will regret it.
JMO
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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: LesLeeSpeed]
      #282414 - 15/05/16 01:42 PM

Bummer. Thanks for the comments.

Anyone want to buy a one off "superb" Slazenger stocked M98 .30-06 rifle? (ie see other thread)

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282420 - 15/05/16 02:10 PM

What would be a price for a decent action? Comments welcome.

I assume a standard length action would suffice?

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: gryphon]
      #282430 - 15/05/16 02:52 PM

Quote:

Quote:



I am keen to see something at least get started on this finally, but the never ending saga still really has not even begun.



I deduce from that remark that the necessary isn't in your pocket at this time ..like most of us lol!

I`m a bit the same with my 7x64 and 416 CT builds!



Always! It would have been built years ago if that wasn't the case.

Don't actually need this rifle but would like it. Got other "projects" in mind too, but same problem.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282431 - 15/05/16 02:55 PM

Does anyone see any problems with a takedown in both .275 Rigby/7x57 and .318 Westley Richards?

The case head is similar enough. I already have a quantity of .318 WR brass, believe it or not. But .30-06 brass can also be used I believe.

I would think the cartridge length would be similar enough. But the length of a .318 WR with 250 gr projectiles. how different would that be?

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282436 - 15/05/16 06:42 PM

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What would be a price for a decent action? Comments welcome.

I assume a standard length action would suffice?



John,
for a 7x57 an intermediate action would be most appropriate, take small ring action if that floats your boat. 318 W-R, 3006 and 8x64S etc. requires a standard action. A 7x57 on model 21/22 Brno would be sweet

Here used actions are cheap and not very difficult to find unless you want a Oberndorf with squarebridges etc.
A Mauser action made today would be in the ballpark of 3K + Euros.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: Yochanan]
      #282441 - 15/05/16 07:45 PM

Looking for prices of actions in Australia. Not a modern new made M98 by any means.

Before I went to that expense I would consider buying a Parker Hale (or similar used rifle) with a good FN or Mark X action, and ditching the rest.

I'm not looking to get two rifles made, only one.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: NitroX]
      #282444 - 15/05/16 08:41 PM

Something like this, https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=77245
if it is what I think, the last of the FN military rifles made in the 50's. Good actions although not '"c-ring".
$500, wreck and sell barrel & stock, say $150 depending, makes a nice action for $350.
Or just try for an '09 Arg. action only with hinged F/P for $500-6-7 ish. Getting harder to get these days but they do turn up from time to time.
Like anything, buyer beware of backyard gunsmiths, they love to f/up 98's. Get it checked out by your gun maker.
Cheers.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: metal]
      #282445 - 15/05/16 09:03 PM

John,
It's also a sound idea to have every action for custom projects inspected, checked for hardness and re-hardened to make sure there are no surprises. Some old actions are very soft.

I got a Brno zg-47 floorplate, magazine and follower and spring for 3006 and 8x64S
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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: Yochanan]
      #282576 - 18/05/16 09:51 AM

John

Love your calibre choice, the .318 can step up to big stuff in the hands of a cool marksman if required. My custom started as an FN like yours, I had a new bolt handle fitted & opted for reworked 1909 bottom metal to add a bit of nostalgia. I agree with my gunsmith who reckons pits etc. add to the character of a rifle....

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: coll416]
      #282726 - 22/05/16 12:49 AM

Though your Columbian Mauser is not a suitable donor for your "Tiger" rifle the receiver is still suitable for a rifle build as a "truck" gun.

As is the receiver will be stuck in a stock if you where to glass bed the rifle as the below wood pitting will lock it in place.

The receiver can be sandblasted and the pits then filled with an epoxy, like J. B. Weld. The sandblasting will give the metal "bite" to hold the epoxy. The epoxy is smoothed to the receiver contours. The receiver can the be spray finished with Gun-Kote, a baked on finish. The sandblasting of the recieve is also benefit in preparing the receiver for spray finishing.

You will be left with a tool grade receiver/rifle when finished but by no means and exhibition grade.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: Vladymere]
      #282727 - 22/05/16 02:04 AM

Vlad - what level of heat is used for baking the Gun-Kote? I am curious that baking will not 'lift' or turn the epoxy to crumbly rotten plastic.
I have bedded a number of Mauser Mil actions with pock-marks and bad pitting below the wood line, but using AXLE grease for release agent, never ended up with a "Glu-In".

I agree, this action would make a "fine" truck rifle.

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Re: "Tiger" M98 rifle - need suggestions [Re: DarylS]
      #282739 - 22/05/16 02:26 PM

Daryl S,

I have only read of the process I described and have plans (for the last seven to ten years, I don't recall exactly) to do this same thing so I may be talking out my ass. This process was used by several forum members of MauserCentral.com which has not been active since the days of the Turkish Mausers when they sold for five for $100.

Here is a link to Gun-Kote on Brownells http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-...h-prod1150.aspx

The instructions are two bake at 325 degrees Fahrenheit for one hour. My concern with the pits is that, even with a release agent, the bedding will fill in the pits and cause extraction issues like a pitted chamber causes convex dents in brass and extraction issues. I suppose that for the purposes of bedding clay could be used to fill the pits but then you are left with an ugly receiver.

As long as all pitting is below the wood line then the pitting will not ruin the esthetics of the rifle but that R.Famage/1952 is a real killer. I would have to see that covered up or removed some how and I don't think I would want to file it out as, I think, that the out of roundness would be quite visible.

Just my opinions and yours may vary quite much but then we all build rifles to suit ourselves.

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