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Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed
      #49996 - 15/02/06 08:23 AM

Gentlemen,

I have four mauser’s (ZG-47) that I want to use for future custom projects, my problem is that I’m not sure what calibers to choose, any suggestions of suitable classic calibers for these?

What features/options would you consider for a custom rifle?

Don’t be shy

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #49998 - 15/02/06 09:21 AM

Johan,
Well you sure have the right action/s to build some nice rifles.
I just love those ZG's!

Calibers, I'd say there would have to be a 9.3 x 62 and a 404 if it were my choice.
Not sure you really need any more than that so you can sell the other two actions to me!

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #50024 - 15/02/06 11:14 PM

Hello Johan,

What a nice problem to have!

1) 240 Weatherby
2) 7x57
3) 35 Whelen, 9.3x62, 9.3x64
4) 416 Taylor

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #50053 - 16/02/06 04:02 AM

Johan,

I agree with 4seventy - a 9.3x62 and a 404 are superb suggestions. Since you are going the correct way of chambering the rifles for classical rounds, the 318 W-R, 30-06, 8x57 JS, 8x64, maybe a lightweight rifle in 6.5x57 or 7x57... there are several possibilities. Now donlt start complaining that these suggestions make you want to buy more actions and build more rifles.

We are not to blame for making you spend money, because you asked the question first.

Cheers and do post pictures of the guns as they are being made.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #50149 - 17/02/06 03:13 AM

I like classic cartridges. Just some ideas:

.257 Roberts or 6.5x55 or 6.5x57 or 7x57
.30-06 or 8x57JS
.35 Whelen or 9.3x62
10.75x68 or 10.75x73 (.404 Jeffery)

(Will the .404 fit in a ZG-47?)

-Bob F.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: BFaucett]
      #50165 - 17/02/06 10:13 AM

Gentlemen,
It's a very pleasant but difficult problem. Now I'm considering 7X64/270, 8X68S, 9,3X64/9,3X62 and ?

Bob F- The magazine on ZG-47 action is approximately 88,5-89mm, or about 3,5 inches. A skilled smith can make it handle 404 Jeffery but it requires a range of modifications etc. Trouble with 404 is the floorplate & magazine box What features would you opt for?

4seventy- sorry, my ZG's are not for sale

Mehul- I won't whinge.... After long and hard thinking I’ve reached the conclusion that from an utilitarian point of view a few dozen should be sufficient, at least for the moment

Cheers,
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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #50224 - 18/02/06 06:46 AM

JOHAN,

As far as features, I'm really not informed enough to make any specific recommendations. I will say, though, that I generally like the lines of the classic, old Type A and Type B Mauser sporters. Something along these lines:



I've got a couple of books about Mauser sporters (the Jon Speed book for one) but I'm far from any type of expert on them.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: BFaucett]
      #50321 - 19/02/06 10:52 PM

What you have to hunt should come into it !
At the bottom end I would choose .240 Weatherby , .25/06 or .257 Weatherby .
Middle of the road .270 , 7 x 57 , .280 , 7 x64 , .30/06 .
Above that suit yourself .

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Bushie]
      #50349 - 20/02/06 09:44 AM

Bushie,

The idea is to get a set of rifles suitable for most hunting, I have excluded African adventures for dangerous game with big bores etc.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #51254 - 03/03/06 09:09 AM

For any North American big game including the bears, elk and moose, you could not go wrong with the 9.3x62.
: In the same flavour, is the .375 Hawk-Scovil and .375/06 IMP are located, with better bullet choice in North America. My .375/06 IMP has the longer body giving the case the same capacity as the Hawk-Scovil (or perhaps a gr. more)
: My hunting loads run from 235gr. Speers at 2,845fps for plains game, to 300gr. bonded Hornady's at 2,470fps for bear and moose.
; If you google .375 Scovil, you'll see some excellent data on what the old '06 case is capable of. Some of the laods are a bit hot, while others are sub-max in my rifle.
: My next Mauser project will be a .400 Brown Whelen - maybe a switch-barrel.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: DarylS]
      #51861 - 09/03/06 12:28 PM


Well, if you are a bit demented like me you could go with the 500 Jeffery. It fits into a Mauser action and will work on any thing any where in the world!!!! With a .404 and a 9.3X62 as back ups what else could you ask for other then a doctor to treat your shoulder, it is really not that bad, but the 500 is something to think about.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Judson]
      #51866 - 09/03/06 01:31 PM

Must admit that 500 Jeffery has always been on my wanted list also.
Good choice.
From what I've seen and heard the major problem associated with 500 Jeff on 98 type actions is getting the feed right.
Can be achieved of course but usually takes a lot more work than most other smaller chamberings on 98's.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #51882 - 09/03/06 04:31 PM

Mausers are great and there is a certain beauty and grace with Mausers shooting metric calibers.

My preference would be one of the rifles in a African BIG Bore with open sights, excellent feeding and a classical stock design with great wood that won't fracture your cheekbone or shoulder!! Stock design and fit is everything in the big boomers.

Such a unique custom gun is a true treasure and enjoyment beyond words.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #54288 - 06/04/06 08:16 PM

Johan,

I took the liberty of moving this Mauser thread to our new Mauser forum.

Erik

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: EricD]
      #54296 - 07/04/06 12:11 AM

Geez ! Puke ! Vomit, nauea and the may worst stomach cramps befall he who builds any but any Weatherby cartridge on a ZG 47

Never ! Never ! Never !

If anyone wishes to go Weatherby it should be stainless and Tupperware, much like the misbegotten place that fathered it !

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: ALF]
      #54297 - 07/04/06 12:13 AM

ALF,

Tell us how you really feel!

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: CptCurl]
      #55237 - 19/04/06 08:23 PM

7x57
9.3x62
404 Jeffery
500 Jeffery

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: WVFRED]
      #55241 - 19/04/06 09:18 PM

ALF,
I agree, it would be blasphemy and sorcery to make a ZG-47 in a wby round. Actually, I have a 7mm wby with stainless barrel synthetic stock and it's built on 702 push feed action It's my "rainy day rifle"

Now I'm considering ZG-47's in 8X68S, 9,3X64 and possibly 404 Jeffery. Brno m-21 in 7X64

Cheers
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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #55696 - 25/04/06 04:35 PM

Personally I would have one made in a .375 H&H Magnum and there is NO reason to exclude it from African hunting! It should be able to be fitted in the action OK with some modifications.

A 9.3x64 would be similar and a great substitute.

8x68S, yes.

Another idea would be to stock one as a light weight Mannicher-Schoenauer full stock styled rifle, maybe in a classic medium cartridge such as 7x57, 6.5x57, even a 8x57mm.



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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #55716 - 25/04/06 10:33 PM

Hi Johan!

If you were to make up a classic german style rifle
a 8x64 Brenneke would be classy.

A .318 Westley Richards would natually do for the classic British sportingrifle.

If all thing goes wrong I have a spare barrel metfordrifled
for a .333 jeffery......but it will cost you$$$$$$(hahaha)

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: NitroX]
      #55781 - 26/04/06 07:42 AM

John,
thanks for the ideas. I bought a Brno m-21 in 8X57IS a few days ago... a very short and handly rifle, I need to find a brno 22 stock or extend the current one


Rigbymauser-I already have a ZG-47 in 8X64S Things does not go wrong

Cheers
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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #58303 - 05/06/06 02:08 AM

Johan,
the cartridges that would suit your style best are undoubdedly the 30-06, 257 Bob, 35 Whelen or the 280 AI. And preferably with a stainless barrel.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: 4seventy]
      #59722 - 08/07/06 10:54 AM

Well a Swede without

1: 6,5x55 Swedish Mauser

2 : .308 Norma Magnum

3 . 358 Norma Magnum

4. 416 Taylor

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: zaitsev]
      #60108 - 19/07/06 02:27 AM

My Mausers are:
8X57 for fun
30-06
9.3X62
.458 Win Mag

Makes for a very nice and broad range rifle battery.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #60150 - 20/07/06 01:37 PM

I'm in the middle of building a 3 rifle set with a veddy british flavor. 275 H&H, 300 H&H, and 375 H&H. For a fourth, how about 240 H&H. Try and find 4 close to matching nice sticks of wood and stock them with a n eye to copying the Mauser A style of yesteryear. Cheers.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: sportingrifle]
      #60229 - 23/07/06 05:58 AM

Posted by Sportingrifle:
I'm in the middle of building a 3 rifle set with a veddy british flavor. 275 H&H, 300 H&H, and 375 H&H. For a fourth, how about 240 H&H. Try and find 4 close to matching nice sticks of wood and stock them with a n eye to copying the Mauser A style of yesteryear. Cheers.

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The .244 Holland & Holland would fit better for your "set-up"

Edited by rigbymauser (23/07/06 05:59 AM)

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: rigbymauser]
      #61455 - 20/08/06 08:38 AM


I have 2 Mausers in the rifle set so far and with 4 I think would have to be a "classic" selection
.275 Rigby
.375 H&H
.416 Rigby
.505 Gibbs

pretty well covers everything from Rat to Elephant, 20 yards to 350, just need to get Holland detachables for them all and a complete set of Swarovskis - 11/2 to 16 by 24 by 50



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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Hollis500]
      #61465 - 20/08/06 07:08 PM

Johan
Since you ruled out African Game and seem to want to keep the calibres European, how about this.

A 6.5x55 with a good scope for light game at a distance.

A 7x57 with a full length Mannlicher stock.

Your 8x68 for bigger game at a distance.

A 9,3x62 for bigger game and driven game up close.

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: NE450No2]
      #61813 - 28/08/06 09:29 AM

GBF, stainless barrels can be blued, if needed Time to confess your sins?

rigbymauser, your projects sounds interesting. What actions will you use for these?

Hollis500- Yes, from rat to big game is the idea behind my set. You got any pictures of your mauser’s? 505 Gibbs is far to much hot sauce for my taste.

NE450No2,
African on the list for sure- unfortunately most of my hunting will be outside "the dark continent" Except a few species most African animals can be taken with "normal" calibres used for sheep, bear, moose, elk deer and wild boar etc.

A 9,3X70 would fit without opening the action My smith has built a few 404 Jeffery on standard mauser actions, open a few millimetres in the rear would be no problem on a ZG-47 since factory magazine is 89mm. Altering the actions look by slotting to ease loading is not an option. I would rather use a magnum mauser and 416 Rigby. A rifle dedicated for dangerous game built on a magnum would be perfect, a great reason to procure one more toy and annoy the local Gestapo authorities ZG-47 was originally chambered for a number of metric calibres and 270, 3006. Military cartridges can be a hindrance in some countries- Belgium, France and Spain got some restrictions.

Cheers
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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #61933 - 31/08/06 04:04 AM

Posted by Johan:
rigbymauser, your projects sounds interesting. What actions will you use for these?

Rigbymauser:
Only original Oberndorf actions.....what else???(haha)

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Re: Custom Mauser projects-Ideas needed [Re: Yochanan]
      #62035 - 03/09/06 09:24 AM

Hallo,

for a classic german-style Mauser:

cal.: 9x57 (9mmMauser)
10,75x68

I shoot the 9x57 (in a original Genschow M98, build in 1931)since 11years on wildpigs here in Germany and be very satisfied about it.
Since last year I also have a 10,75x68 custommade, based on a pol. M98 Radomreciver. This morning I was on the local shooting-range with it and it shows a 3shot 1"-result at 110yds. with the manuell loaded 347gr. Woodleigh softpoint-roundnose.
Barrells are made in both calibres by the german gunsmith Lothar-Walther (webside: www.lothar-walther.de) with 25,75" length.
The typical stock is a slim, dark-brown walnut-stock without rose-wood top or white plates between stock and recoil-pat.
A german double-trigger is also typical for this rifles built between 1900-1940.
The 9x57 is also able to used in shortbarrell-rifles with full-stock (mannlicher-style). It burns fast powder like Rottweil R902 or R903. You can go with the barrell-length down to 20", without velocity or energyproblems.
The 10,75x68 made no sence to use it in barrells shorter than 24".
Relodingdies are availebel by RCBS and Redding for the 9x57 (also reforming-dies from 8x57 and .30-06 to 9x57 from RCBS), and RCBS and C-H for the 10,75x68.
Cases are from Horneber both, or reformed 8x57 or .30-06.
Norma-cases are good reformable. For the 10,75x68 you can only use original-cases, no other case has nearley that messures.
Case-holder is for the 9x57 the RCBS No.3, and for the 10,75x68 the RCBS No.30 (same like for the 9,3x72R). Horneber-cases in 10,75x68 don´t
goes in the No.2.
For buillets you can use all .358"-Buillets in the 9x57.
Good weigt for the cartridge are the 225 and the 250gr.
I shoot the 250gr. Speer Grand-Slam.
For the 10,75x68 you can use the original 347gr. rounds or the ones for the .404 Jeffery with 350gr. The 400gr. rounds are to heavy and to hard for the lower velocity of the 10,75x68. Buillets for the 10,75x68 (.422" and .423") are made by Woodleigh and Degol and mayby Barnes.
The maximum pressure for the 9x57 is 36200psi, for the 10,75x68 42000psi.

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