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Not wrong! Gorgeous piece of kit there mate!
Can't wait to hear the range report on this .440" beast

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I hunted with this cartridge and a rifle from Auguste Schüler, and also shot a buffalo with it.

In my personal opinion, this cartridge and the rifles for it are primarily nowadays something for collectors and aficionados. From the same time we have much better cartridges that have stood the test of time and are still being used. That doesn't mean that you cannot hunt with it, just that the rifles are a bit outdated and the cartridge is for different reasons not quite what one would expect.

The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.

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Hello grandveneur,
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I agree, and fully understand. I wanted a rifle in this caliber mostly for collecting, but still have the possibility of taking it afield.

As a side note. Can anyone tell me what these two marks are that appear on the bottom right of the barrel?



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The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.

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If Woodleigh makes them again.

67 11.2 Schuler .440" 401gr RN SN 50 .296 .325 1800-2250

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The cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler is a compromise to fit in an no modified Mauser 98 System, and because of that one have to accept some disadvantages. Another problem is that nowadays there are no more suitable bullets for these cartridges and the old weapons for hunting Big game.

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67 11.2 Schuler .440" 401gr RN SN 50 .296 .325 1800-2250

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I would say Wim Degol in belgium also make .440 solftpoints, maybe also fmj

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Cast is the only way I can see and 2,000fps to perhaps 2,200fps is about perfect maximum. Then, there is the mould problem.?????

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The problem with this cartridge is that there is no reliable load data.

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Hello grandveneur,
Thanks for the reply.

There is actuall a fair amount of loading data. Pierre van der Walt's book "African Dangerous Game Cartridges" lists 14 different loads for 400g bullets. One load is 80g of IMR3031 for 2380 fps.
Load Data lists 20 different loads for 401g bullets. One load is 85g H4895 for 2450 fps.

I have loaded both of those loads with Woodleigh 400g Soft points to an overall loaded case length of 3.400" without compressing the powder.
This rifle's mag box will accept max overall loaded length of 3.450" max, but I kept the length a bit short to prevent any binding.



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The picture shows where is a other problem when the bullet is set too deep. The bullet is not well held in the neck of the case.

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Since I never intend to hunt dangerous game with this rifle, bullet crimping is not an issue.
Also, I've been swaging .440 dia bullets for my Werndl rifles and I can change the shape of
Woodleigh bullets to provide a longer cylindrical section.

The cylindrical section of the original Woodleigh 400g round nose is 0.400 inches from the base
to where it starts tapering - the cylindrical section of the swaged bullet is 0.850 inches from
the base to where it starts tapering.

Here's a picture of the before ans after.

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Beautiful rifle, nice pick up! I love Schüler rifles, and I must say I am not completely
familiar with their serial sequencing but here is something interesting. My 8x68 Schüler is s/n 28200,
barely past yours, and proofed in 1942, and it’s not an old stock action either, it’s roughly
a 1941 Astrawerke made piece. I find this quite curious and interesting!

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With a cartridge length of around 84mm, you are at the transition from the cylindrical shape of the bullet to the ogival, what is not ideal for crimping.

Back then, Harald Wolf from Hatari Times, a aficionados of the Cartridge 11,2x72 Schüler, had special bullets made for it. Unfortunately, these bullets never went into production.

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... "does not need a cannelure to crimp when using a Lee crimp die" ... I found adding a crimp to my straight sided and small shouldered cases improved accuracy due to improved, more consistent ballistics.

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Some years back, CH4D made a cannelure tool for rolling in cannelures in bullets that either don't have them, or they are in the wrong place. Buddy of mine has one & used it to re-roll cannelures on Speer 275gr. .338" SRN bullets.

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Rolf,
What is the case dimensionally compared to say the .404Jeffery, can it be made from any other case?

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Hello 93x64mm,

According to the Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions, you can make 11.2x72 cases from 404J brass. Case capacity in water is virtually identical. Also some old Bertram brass measured .441. The new stuff measures .436. Spinning a 404J case in a lathe and touching the head with a file will easily remove a couple thousands from the head dia. Then simply cut a new rebated head with extractor groove.

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Hello 93x64mm,

According to the Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions, you can make 11.2x72 cases from 404J brass. Case capacity in water is virtually identical. Also some old Bertram brass measured .441. The new stuff measures .436. Spinning a 404J case in a lathe and touching the head with a file will easily remove a couple thousands from the head dia. Then simply cut a new rebated head with extractor groove.

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Harald Wolf in Hatari Times writes about the conversion 404 Jeffery cases in 11,2x72 cases, noted however, that the process would be very difficult. Nevertheless, you might have to take a critical look at that. Harald Wolf found some things very difficult for non-professionals, including reloading 500 Jeffery cartridges for example.

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Thanks for that grandveneur - handy to know
I read somewhere that Jack Lott used .404J brass for the .425WR & just changed to an opened up bolt rather than use the .425WR brass if it wasn't available.
I think it was in his Big Bore magazine article.
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The existing bolt could be replaced (save the original) with a bolt modified for the 404 Jeffery case and then shoot standard rimless instead of the rebated rimmed 11.2x72 ammo. I think that's why Ian created the 440 McFarlan. Then run the 404 case through a 11.2x72 resize die and fire form.

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The existing bolt could be replaced (save the original) with a bolt modified for the 404 Jeffery case and then shoot standard rimless instead of the rebated rimmed 11.2x72 ammo. I think that's why Ian created the 440 McFarlan. Then run the 404 case through a 11.2x72 resize die and fire form.

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Got it in one jgrabow!
No Buckstixs, I was only relaying a note I read on Page 78 below - it refers to the .425WR, but in this case if the 11.2 can be made from the same basic .404 case, then it is a viable option to keep your rifle going
http://nitroexpress.info/ezine/NickuduFiles/93x64files/BigBoreRiflesJackLott.pdf

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