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Louis
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Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle
      #331696 - 26/08/19 05:36 AM


This Mm 410 B Schonzeitbüchse in .22LR – although being almost 80-year-old, is a really sweet, slim and attractive little rifle; I was extremely lucky to have it delivered recently, almost factory new.

All references made hereafter are based on Jon Speed’s “Smallbores: sporting, target and training rifles”.

Serial number 222397 dates this rifle back to the post-1940 period, without being able to be more precise on the production year. Needless to say, all constituting parts, including the stock, bear the same serial number and the barrel is in pristine condition. Three Mm 410B bearing serial numbers within the same range i.e. 222441, 222970 and 222910 are presented in Jon Speed’s book.




Note the late models-type sporter stock with cheekpiece, full pistol grip and fore-end schnabel.




Note the Waffenamt eagles.













This KK büchse is fitted with a Carl Zeiss Zielklein riflescope mounted on pre-war-type AKAH see-through mounts. Note the reference to ‘Allemagne’ (‘Germany’, in French) on the riflescope; such a marking may have been an import to France requirement in the pre-WW2 period (maybe something similar to the British ‘not English make’) but I doubt it survived in the following years with France being administrated by the Third Reich’s administration from mid-1940.





I will soon take this rifle to the range. I am sure that the rifle scope was well zeroed by the rifle’s former owner, however I may have some minor adjustments to do: left/right ones won’t be an issue through the screw on the rear scope mount however I do not have a clue on how to perform up/down ones on a Zielklein turret so any advice will be much valued.




Last and least I have a final question to “those who know “ about one specific making found on this rifle:
- Marking “A46 RW” on the barrel, below the wood-line, and “RW” only on the bolt stop and on the trigger (both on the not visible sides); both letters being well intertwined, see hereafter.
- One initial thought was that “RW” may have referred to Röll Walter however this rifle was proofed before the end of WW2 (presence of Waffenamt eagles) and at a later stage, when Walter Röll re-started to work under French direction his markings the more usually found are “WR” or “W Röll”, but not the intertwined “RW” found on this .22 rifle. So, what is it?





Any help in deciphering these markings will therefore be much welcomed.

Louis

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Louis]
      #331700 - 26/08/19 06:51 AM

Louis, superb purchase, especially as it has the late stock with proper pistol grip which looks like a real hunting stock. I also have a MN410B in similar condition however mine is earlier and has the stock with weird pistol grip which is nothing like as nice as yours. If it shoots like mine it will be a tack driver. Well done.

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #331703 - 26/08/19 07:38 AM

Now that is certainly a lovely little hunter for a young hunter to start off with, certainly an heirloom now for the family Louis

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Louis]
      #331716 - 26/08/19 07:18 PM

Quote:


This Mm 410 B Schonzeitbüchse in .22LR – I was extremely lucky to have it delivered recently, almost factory new.




No doubt. An excellent find!

Here's the '39 Stoeger page with Mauser .22s:



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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #331723 - 27/08/19 01:48 AM

If it is like the other late pistol grip stocked MM410bs I have seen, there is no Mauser cartouche on the right side of the butt stock. Please advise.

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: 93x64mm]
      #331724 - 27/08/19 02:13 AM

Quote:

Now that is certainly a lovely little hunter for a young hunter to start off with, certainly an heirloom now for the family Louis




+1
Looks like a great find.. congrats...

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Ripp]
      #331727 - 27/08/19 04:08 AM

as everyone before was saying: excellent!

would be not easy to find another rifle in the same condition with the original scope + scope mount still like new
you better keep this

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: lancaster]
      #331739 - 27/08/19 09:26 PM

Hello Louis,

as I am interested in the Mauser small bore rifles, I would like to ask some questions about your rifle.

A I do not want to highjack your post: PM sent.

best regards
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Louis
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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Rolf]
      #331758 - 28/08/19 07:11 PM

Waidmannsheil, 9,3x64, Rothhammer, Ripp and Lancaster, thank you for your kind comments.

Texas John. Mauser apparently stop "stamping" the stocks of the Mm410B from the moment they introduced the new hunting stock with pistol grip and cheek piece. I have not seen this information confirmed anywhere in writing however none of the Mm410B with hunting stock presented in Jon Speed’s “Smallbores: sporting, target and training rifles” bear the Mauser cartouche on the stock.

Rolf, reply sent.

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Louis]
      #331804 - 31/08/19 12:45 PM

Louis

Very, very nice, they are wonderful rifles....and that example in such wonderful condition.
Hope you get to hunt with it soon.

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: paradox_]
      #332242 - 12/09/19 08:55 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Thank You Louis for sharing the above images and details with us.

It's not until you see images of older firearms like this Mauser Mm 410 B rimfire, that you get a better understanding of where Brno may have taken some idea's from, for their Model 1 rimfire.
I'm not saying that the Brno designers did, it's just that there are several similarities, between this older Mauser, and the Brno Model 1 (and the Model 2, etc) ..................

D'oh!
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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: Louis]
      #332265 - 12/09/19 06:14 PM

Louis,

Lovely rifle. Cool to hunt with a sweet vintage .22.

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Re: Mauser Mm 410B – Sweet Little Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #368225 - 09/08/22 06:32 PM

Bttt

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