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mehulkamdar
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Beautiful rifles from France
      #36119 - 19/08/05 01:23 PM

Dorleac and Dorleac

I got the link from the George Granger website that John Dozier posted on the Double rifle forums.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #36120 - 19/08/05 01:41 PM

Unfortunately, they are French.

The French copy nobody and nobody copies the French.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #36121 - 19/08/05 01:57 PM

One look at the Safari and my tougue went hard!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #36128 - 19/08/05 03:04 PM

There is not a single rifle on that website which would not make me extremely happy.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: 500grains]
      #36187 - 20/08/05 03:19 PM

I agree. very nice looking rifles and perfectly executed.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #36455 - 25/08/05 08:16 AM

"Wow" is all I can say. They have quite a few very nice used guns too!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: EricD]
      #36461 - 25/08/05 09:04 AM

Very expensive though! 1200 euros for a BRNO Model 1??? in 98% condition. That £817 sterling. I paid £80 for mine, admittedly some years ago, but only 2 or 3 years ago at Bisley there were a few at the arms fair going for between £100 - £120 ( about 150 - 180 Euro ).

Same thing for their .22 mausers. Overpriced.

Thanks but I'll keep looking!!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: Metswedi]
      #36466 - 25/08/05 09:40 AM

Yes - many of their prices are "Out to Lunch"

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: DarylS]
      #36469 - 25/08/05 10:02 AM

They look nice ;but they are
french.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: Metswedi]
      #36488 - 25/08/05 04:28 PM

I noticed the overpricing too.

BUT! Looking is for free!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: k80]
      #37025 - 07/09/05 08:10 PM

PeterB = Unfortunately, they are French.

The French copy nobody and nobody copies the French.

k80 = They look nice; but they are french.

Is there anything wrong with French craftsmanship or design or is this just much and well deserved French bashing.

I've always wanted to get a Darne sliding breech double and was going to pursue it shortly, until I came upon your posts. I would have loved to acquire the Superbrite side opening over & under, also.

Again, are the designs used by the French bad?
Why don't they copy others?
If their stuff is any good, why don't others copy them?
Does this also apply to the Belgiums?


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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: SeekHer]
      #37057 - 08/09/05 11:45 PM

The Mirage fighter is also French made and is a one hell of an aircraft! I have used several Chapius double rifles and have never found them lacking.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: nitro476]
      #37750 - 18/09/05 02:35 PM

it's still French.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: nitro476]
      #39364 - 20/10/05 07:57 PM

Well, I went to the site, and my initial impression was that the Safari model was very nice. You can't always get a feel for something from a picture, but the longer I looked at this rifle the less I liked it. I looked at the clearance between the pistol grip and the rear of the trigger guard, and the knuckle of the middle finger of my right hand began to ache. I can't even imagine how it would feel to get your knuckle wrapped by a .500 Jeffery. After that the whole thing started to look less appealing.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: Boomer]
      #39586 - 23/10/05 01:51 PM

Boomer,

I have seen an old 416 Rigby for sale in the USA that is identical to the Safari model on the Dorleac website. I wonder if smeone ordered the rifle in this specific configuration? I am not at all an expert and have very limited experience shooting others' big bore rifles. I just thought that the rifles looked nice and posted the link here.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #39593 - 23/10/05 02:41 PM

Australia had Mirage fighters and i remember in the 70s everytime you watched the news another one had fallen out of the sky !!! I never thought much of French engineering [if you have ever worked on a citroen car you will know what i mean !!!and every vehicle thay make is bloody ugly]like the poms the spitfire, double rifles and other rifles, were the best things they made ,all their cars and 4x4s were pos !!The Germans are good ,but they are too good!! and make everything more complicated than it needs to be .American engineering has a good balance to it ,practicality etc,but quality control and going backwards has ruined it .Japanese have the quality because they are fastidious and dedicated .

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: velodog]
      #39839 - 26/10/05 09:58 PM

French engineering is amongst the best in the world - this year French teams & cars won both the Formula 1 championship and World rally championship against very stiff resistance from other big Europen and Japanese mames ie BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda etc.

Mirage 3 czs were maybe not the best but the Mirage F1s were extremely good fighters and the modern Rafale is state of the art. Take a look at the F111 we use here. Whilst it is a good a/c its costing a fortune to maintain and enough of them have fallen from the sky!!

Take a look at Airbus - an unknown aircraft manufacturer 30 years ago - now they are outselling Boeing by nearly 2 to 1. Whilst it could be argued its a European a/c its is predominantly French.

Vapodog - whilst you may not like Citroens, they were YEARS ahead of other manufactureres with things like Hydraulic suspension and headlights that turned when you turned a corner. Lexus has suddenly stumbled upon the idea some 35 years later and we see that ad on TV with the dear crossing the road.

Just a few examples that come to mind .

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mlg]
      #39840 - 26/10/05 10:02 PM

Those are beautiful rifles - I agree with 500 gns - there is not one there I would not be proud to own.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mlg]
      #39859 - 27/10/05 11:58 AM

> Mirage 3 czs were maybe not the best but the Mirage F1s were
>extremely good fighters and the modern Rafale is state of the
> art. Take a look at the F111 we use here. Whilst it is a
> good a/c its costing a fortune to maintain and enough of
> them have fallen from the sky!!

The F-111 went into service some 37 years ago in 1968. What do you think the reliabilty and maintenance costs would be on your car if it was that old, if was still running? And would be expected to be driven into combat at any time, and it's drivers life could well depend on it's functioning correctly and returning him home?

Bad, bad, comparison...

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: 510Wells]
      #39868 - 27/10/05 01:59 PM

Hard for me to understand how people could criticize the French for engineering or design or anything else. Most major industries, especially the car industry, are pretty international and have all sorts of nationalities working for them. When it comes to cars at least I am happy that the French manufacturers go their own ways - everything else looks the same. Besides the 2CV was a heck of a lot of fun to drive. There were a lot of years in which American cars were just plain junk.

Those rifles on the D&D site are beautiful by any standard. Chapius makes great double rifles for the price, and they are worthy of consideration with American and German made doubles in the same general range. Besides, buying French occasionally means that they will have the means to buy some of the crap America foists on the world. (Garbage hamburgers, bad movies, dumb tv shows, for instance.)

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: jgttechjunkie]
      #39955 - 28/10/05 03:36 PM

This is going to be my only post on this matter of "French-ness" as I think that there is a need to close the "if it is French, it must be bad" allegation which is certainly wrong. The anger of many people over the French President's approach to the Iraq war is, strangely, not directed at Germany, another country that was very strongly opposed to this same war and whose products were noot boycotted anywhere, nor has anyone ever criticised German products because that country kept out of the war in Iraq. If Jacques Chirac is considered to represent everything French, was there ever a time when Bill Clinton was considered to represent everything American?

Georges Granger, Dorleac and Dorleac, Atelier Demas, Alain Vaussenat, Bruchet-Darne, Armes Ridon etc all make very nice guns in France and let us judge their products for what they are. ee cummings described a politician as "an arse on which everyone has sat except a man." Shouldn't we be discussing guns instead of politicians and their politics here?

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #40015 - 29/10/05 12:29 PM

Mehulkamdar

Well said.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: 510Wells]
      #40017 - 29/10/05 12:44 PM

"The F-111 went into service some 37 years ago in 1968. What do you think the reliabilty and maintenance costs would be on your car if it was that old, if was still running? And would be expected to be driven into combat at any time, and it's drivers life could well depend on it's functioning correctly and returning him home?

Bad, bad, comparison "

510 Wells

I was not saying that the F111 was a bad a/c`. Quite the contrary. What I was inferring was that other a/c also have accidents/incidents depite the expensive ongoing maintenance costs & the Mirage 111 was no exception.

The aircraft here have had extensive avionics/airframe up grades at great cost to the Australian Taxpayer because they fullfill a unique role.

If my 37 year old car had the same sort of maintenance schedule it would be immaculate!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #40025 - 29/10/05 01:32 PM

Very well said, as usual Mehulkamdar.

Nice rifles too by the way, though as others said there are some "optimistic" prices there.


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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #40136 - 31/10/05 02:45 AM

Georges Granger SLE game gun is second to none, best quality firearm. It should be, because France is the birthplace of wing shooting.
I don't know anything about those D&D custom Mausers.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mlg]
      #40144 - 31/10/05 04:52 AM

"Take a look at Airbus - an unknown aircraft manufacturer 30 years ago - now they are outselling Boeing by nearly 2 to 1. Whilst it could be argued its a European a/c its is predominantly French.
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Mainly because the financing is subsidized by the French Goverment! Although the plane is good as well! Maybe because it is also built be the Brits, germans and others! It is assembled in France.
I don't like the french, mainly because they will stab you in the back as quick as look at you!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: Gibbs505]
      #40175 - 31/10/05 09:34 AM

Dear Mr 505 Gibbs!

I know there is a lot of bad feelings towards france, no question about that!.

But when you state: "I don`t like the french,mainly because they will stap you in the back as quick as look at you". What french are we`re talking about here????????.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: rigbymauser]
      #40230 - 31/10/05 02:59 PM

Guys, please give up on the French bashing before you make an _______ of youself. (Hint below.)

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: rigbymauser]
      #40241 - 31/10/05 05:03 PM

In reply to:

Dear Mr 505 Gibbs!

I know there is a lot of bad feelings towards france, no question about that!.

But when you state: "I don`t like the french, mainly because they will stab you in the back as quick as look at you". What french are we`re talking about here????????.


I will reply to this but, it is the only reply I will make on the subject. I don't want to hijack the thread any more.
I come from old english/irish stock and have a long history of war's with the french (and people thing that only spanish etc have long memories! ). Basically I and a deep reader of history and see that the french have a history of getting into trouble, getting someone to pull them out of it and blaming that person for the trouble in the first place!
Also they will talk of 'honour' and betray their closest friend for it.
The clearest and most enduring example of this is France, 1940. A good start to the study and background of this period is William L. Shirer's "The Collapse of the Third Republic". The dirty deed done in the name of 'honour' in this time are astonishing! And, according to the french leaders, none of it was the fault of the french, it was all the fault of the english!

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: Gibbs505]
      #40242 - 31/10/05 05:11 PM

In reply to:

but, it is the only reply I will make on the subject. I don't want to hijack the thread any more.




Grand idea, as I thought this thread was about French rifles not f.....g politics or airbuses.




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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #40719 - 05/11/05 03:22 PM

Those are very nice rifles. The singleshots are not as nice as their bolt rifles though.

Still prefer Duane Wiebe's creations or http://www.waffenjung.de/html/home.html

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: Peterb]
      #40816 - 06/11/05 07:31 PM

Weither or not you agree with current political stances and statements made by France, one thing that you must always consider each time you load a cartridge, and once more when you fire your cartridge, is that the French are responsible for that conical bullet hitting what you were shooting at. So in that regard, the statement about nobody copying the French is grossly wrong. Unless of course, you are shooting a muzzle loader with roundballs or using shotshells. I am sure there were more French inventions in the realm of firearms, but that one is a pretty large one and states my point clear enough.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: NitroX]
      #40831 - 07/11/05 02:37 AM

I've seen quite a few French sporting rifles, and really would love to get my hands on a mid-19th century very high grade 16b or 20b pinfire SxS rifle with real-for-real Bernard damascus barrels.

That'd be great!

Keep your eyes out for me...

And FWIW I'm with NitroX on this one, however you feel about politics and however you want to wear your blinders, those pesky French are responsible for the success of the metallic cartridge -- and would seem to have had some great influence on the success of the breech loading sporting arm too.




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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: tinker]
      #40887 - 07/11/05 08:56 PM

That safari is one good looking bolt.

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Re: Beautiful rifles from France [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #41050 - 09/11/05 04:29 AM

Even GW Bush won't stop me from buying Nosler and RCBS products...

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