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Mauser FR8
      #358611 - 27/11/21 04:42 PM

more informations coming soon


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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #358623 - 27/11/21 10:35 PM

Dare I say British SMLE Jungle Carbine styled?

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Re: mauser [Re: NitroX]
      #358624 - 27/11/21 10:43 PM

yes, a little bit
with luck I will see it next friday

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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #358628 - 27/11/21 11:55 PM

An FR8 but missing a few bits....no top wood or cleaner tube with a fore end tip added.

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Re: mauser [Re: yumastepside]
      #358633 - 28/11/21 03:42 AM

yes , you got it

for the FR 8 history just see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbtMIqx3Bs

when the FR 8 was surplused by spain in the early 1990s the lot was probably divided by Interarms for north america and Frankonia in germany who take the part that was sold in europe. I bought one of the original military rifles in the mid 1990s, sold it in 2007 but miss it later.
In the same time Frankonia sporterized some FR 8 in good shape into hunting rifles. The work was done by the gunmaker department of Frankonia maybe between 1993 and 1995.
they remove the top wood and the tube with bayonet lug, bend the bolt, replace the iron stock cap with a softer rubber cap,extend the stock with a piece of tulipwood. the stock was sand and the trigger was replaced with a rear set trigger.I think they did a good job than.
I dont know anymore they maybe cost 400 marks than, called Model "Harz" , iirc.









Well, this things hold the price over the years and selling for this in euro today if you are lucky.
this rifle having a lot of benefits

Model 98 Mauser action
they are still in 308 Win, 7,62 Nato with a 46 mm long barrel
the flash hider can be turned of the M 15 muzzle thread so you can use a silencer whats is legal here for some years now

https://www.tactical-dad.com/waffen/scharfe-waffen/la-coruna-fr-8/

the rifle will be still short with a common silencer

because its short, handy and a mauser the whole rifle is exactly the thing dog handler are looking for, even better with the silencer (for the dog because of the noise) and for my girl friend who don't like recoil ( will be her rifle than).
cuting the thread for a silencer alone cost here 200 -300 euro today because only gunmaker are allow to do it and new proof is necessary than.

most of this rifles were build on spanish M 43 mauser actions with the original stock. some exist made by using german WW1 long Gewehr 98 that came to spain in the civil war. I would pay a big extra for such an FR 8 sporter but this things are rare.
there is also a FR 7, similar but build from a spanish M 1893 Mauser.




1918 Haenel made rifle



the FR 8 was also used by spanish police units in north africa so its a proven africa rifle




rifle is paid but goes to my gunmaker first, see it maybe next friday

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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #360351 - 13/01/22 05:51 AM

rifle get a scope whats not so easy because of the rear sight. after study different options I decided a side mount would be best.

have to say before in 2005 I order two EAW side mounts for a little bit over 200 euro each.
it looks like this and you get it for M 98 , M 96 and so on





its hard to find an actual price but they are sold for over 500 euro now, thats not bad!

Frankonia in germany had here an offer from the last year, the M 96 version for 489 euro.
thats more the rifle cost me but this is not the price anymore for the M 98 version. I got a message saying 520 euro in 2022.



last days there was a italian carcano carbine with this side mount and a scope on egun starting with 1 euro. when I think about it that the scope mount would be worth more than the rest someone had the same idea and make the deal.

than my gunmaker told me there is a repro side mount, the copy of the german WW 2 short side mount for under 200 euro on the market, this one here




I look on the websites of military rifle dealer and there it was for 196 euro.
don't know where it is made but the quality seems good, it have a snug fit.












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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #360379 - 13/01/22 07:06 PM

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Model 98 Mauser action
they are still in 308 Win, 7,62 Nato with a 46 mm long barrel

the rifle will be still short with a common silencer

because its short, handy and a mauser the whole rifle is exactly the thing dog handler are looking for, even better with the silencer (for the dog because of the noise) and for my girl friend who don't like recoil ( will be her rifle than).




Lucky girl. And lucky you having a girlfriend who hunts and shoots.


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the FR 8 was also used by spanish police units in north africa so its a proven africa rifle







Might this be Portuguese in Angola? Angala?

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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #360380 - 13/01/22 07:37 PM

Quote:

yes , you got it

for the FR 8 history just see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbtMIqx3Bs





Enjoyed the video and also the CETME rifles shown as well.

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Re: mauser [Re: NitroX]
      #360406 - 14/01/22 06:42 AM

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Lucky girl. And lucky you having a girlfriend who hunts and shoots.





Might this be Portuguese in Angola? Angala?




not realy, its all about dog work but she needs a rifle anyway

every third woman starting the hunting exam here did it because of dog work





the other point, this must be in the dessert in spanisch sahara. I don't think you find such an area in angola.

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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #360998 - 24/01/22 11:00 PM

after 16 years a rifle in 308 will come into the house again, start cleaning the old rcbs die set and looking for stuff around

there is box with military brass from the early 1990s



berdan primed and dented because it was shoot in the MG 3, the MG 42 in 7,62 nato

treasure or trash?

well, you never know what happen and because ammo can be hard to find in the modern age I decided to give them a chance again







home made tool to open up the case mouth



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Re: mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #361023 - 25/01/22 10:12 AM

Yeah, why not!

I'm a bit of a bower-bird myself, plenty of 1960s-era berdan-primed .303 cases from FN in a crate somewhere in my shed, plenty of RWS berdan primers tucked away too.

Hopefully the day I actually need them will never arrive!

Hopefully the day you actually need bulk-loaded military .308 never arrives either, lancaster!
Perfect for dog handler though.
...and its good to be prepared.

Good work on the tool, too. Function beats form all day long!
My own case neck straightener is a manually-operated .50BMG FMJ projectile, but I never have that many to do!

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Re: mauser [Re: Marrakai]
      #361066 - 25/01/22 10:02 PM

actually I have them all: 4,5 - 5 - 5,5 - 6,35 - 6,45mm

5,5mm running low now, that the common size for military brass. use them for 8x57IS and 8x58RD, old stuff pre or post war anyway they work. but with this new loaded in bulk 308 I have to look for some RWS 5,5mm again.

got 150 grains surplus nato bullets for 12,8 cent each, that the right stuff to become familiar with the new rifle. the rifle will be sighted for the 170 grains lapua mega, a solid that hold allmost 99,9% of its weight. the preffered bullet for many dog handler because it don't break in parts that came out on the side of the game sometimes and hit the dog.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: lancaster]
      #361481 - 04/02/22 12:32 AM

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more informations coming soon





Pity these weren't made with the detachable magazines, the or twenty shot box magazines.

Could become very tacicool rifle for those of us not trustable with semi autos.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: NitroX]
      #361486 - 04/02/22 04:57 AM

I see no reason a gunsmith or a good hobby gunsmith could not change a mauser magazine for taking 20 rounds magazines - FAL or G3.
with cut and tig welding only the sky is the limit!
years ago when the repro mauser trench magazine was not available I made such a thing for the owner of a FR 8. I cut a 25 rounds Dreyse machine gun model 13 magazine under the position of the 5. cartridge and we let it tig welding under a mauser magazine so it had 25 rounds again after weld together.

similar to this here









of course, its fixed but I am 100% positiv it can be done for detachable magazine too

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: lancaster]
      #361489 - 04/02/22 05:11 AM

There is an American company making tactical style stocks for 8x57 Mauser M98s with detachable magazines. I have to find them again I keep forgetting their name. Posted already about them on NE.

I asked them to get interested in doing the same for M38 and m96 6.5x55s. They said they might oneday.

I was also interested in my M98 Colombian Mauser in .30-06. They said it should work with the 8x57 setup. Should and will are not the same to me!

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: NitroX]
      #361492 - 04/02/22 05:32 AM

common 30 06 is probably to long for a 8x57IS magazine

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: NitroX]
      #361493 - 04/02/22 05:32 AM

Going off tópic. Archangel stocks with removable 10 and 15 round magazines. They now do list .30-06 as suitable.

https://promagindustries.com/archangel-p...ype-b-magazine/

https://promagindustries.com/archangel-8...-black-polymer/

https://promagindustries.com/archangel-8mm-type-b-magazine-for-aa98-and-aat3-15-rd-black-polymer/


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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: NitroX]
      #361494 - 04/02/22 05:39 AM

do not looking very classic,

buy some used FAL magazines or whatever you get but no tactical plastic

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: lancaster]
      #361507 - 04/02/22 06:14 PM

IMO "tacticool" isn´t any cool.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: Igorrock]
      #361513 - 05/02/22 12:15 AM

the FN 30-11 was the cold war belgian sniper rifle, had a FN mauser action, big machine gun barrel and a cut down 10 rounds FN FAL magazine


https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/77217-fn-30-11-sniper-308-win-r27442.html


original 20 rounds FAL magazines fit like here


so you see its possible to get them into a mauser. it depends what you get for magazines, everything over 10 rounds is forbidden here since last year but maybe australia is a better place.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: NitroX]
      #361520 - 05/02/22 06:24 AM

Quote:

There is an American company making tactical style stocks for 8x57 Mauser M98s with detachable magazines. I have to find them again I keep forgetting their name. Posted already about them on NE.

I asked them to get interested in doing the same for M38 and m96 6.5x55s. They said they might oneday.

I was also interested in my M98 Colombian Mauser in .30-06. They said it should work with the 8x57 setup. Should and will are not the same to me!





A bunch of years ago, maybe 10, from tradeexcanada I bought the bottom metal and box magazine to replace the floor plate and magazine on a typical 98 military Mauser action.
Not sure what I did with them but think I might have sold them to a local gun smith. I do not have the memory of that, however. I do know, that I no longer have those items.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: lancaster]
      #361554 - 05/02/22 08:25 PM

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so you see its possible to get them into a mauser. it depends what you get for magazines, everything over 10 rounds is forbidden here since last year but maybe australia is a better place.




Thankfully so far we can, at least in SA and some states (which?),fee can still use even 30 round magazines in our bolt action, pump, lever, or in line action rifles.

We are NOT trusted to have more than ten shots in our extremely restricted semi autos. And even more than ten shots in a RF make in D class. A more than 6 shot lever shotgun is also restricted C class ie semi auto and pump Action shotguns and RFs.

Practical competition shooters use in line bolt straight pull AR15 like rifles for competitions. 15 plus magazines. Usually 5.56 mm.

Turd shooters often get upset when they see them. Thinking they are illegal first, dirtying their underpants in indignation. Then claiming such guns will get the gun banners upset and banning again. Especially if their free target air rifles arectgreatened !!!

Of course the gun banners want them banned. And everything else as well.

One day these higher capacity mags will get banned. Logic need not enter into it.

Hopefully the Rona virus has created more aware people in the population. Those 5% to 30% of us who are awake.

Sorry all this off topic.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: NitroX]
      #365028 - 29/04/22 05:55 PM

get the rifle from the gunmaker just right before the 1. of may, start of roebuck saison.

it was 3 years now that I bought the last rifle on licence - damned corona!






the rifle shows no tear and wear from a former military career so it was probably only in storage for the cold war.





rifle looks like new, it got a set trigger in 1995






all components bought blind before were the right one. the WW 2 german side mount and with the 25 mm scope tube were probably the only one dealing with the Cetme style rear sight.







the side mount was made for a 26 mm tube, the scope tube is 25 mm so my gunmaker use thin copper sheet


















the rifle will be sighted for Lapua Naturalis factory ammo lead free, 170 grains bullet, 308 Win.
Vithavuori gives 42 grains of my favorite powder N 140 reaching the same 800 m/sec like the Lapua factory load.




order also bullets for load training ammo, here in in once fired PMC brass. and then there was the 1990s 7,62 Nato brass I reworked. got surpluss bullets, once loaded, for 13 cent and with a new suply of berdan primer the rifle can be shoot now cheap. hope I find a load that fits the naturalis at 100 meter.





proofed in Suhl in april 1995

with the walnut stock and the political correct scope mount ( I hate most post ww 2 mounts)would call it a classic.

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Re: Mauser FR8 [Re: lancaster]
      #365034 - 29/04/22 06:22 PM

Wunderbar Herr L. I think it is ugly but also nice.

With detachable 20 round magazines would be perfect for its looks. Maybe a bipod. Just my ideas.

Like the detachable scope mounts too.

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      #365035 - 29/04/22 06:25 PM

Btw can the open sights still be used under the scope?

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