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Waidmannsheil
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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298037 - 28/03/17 10:09 PM

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Pretty bloody obvious a Mauser 98 is a Mauser 98 ... and not made like a Mauser M12.







John, you seem to be confused with what I am saying, I am talking about the method of attaching the barrel to the action, not the action itself. The M12 is very different to the M98, I know as I have owned both and still have 98's but that doesn't mean that the barrel can't be attached the same way on the new model. Until the M12 came along no other rifle barrel has been attached permanently, at least not that I know of.
Anyway it is just something I have been wondering, of course if you know differently for sure that is, not just guessing, than tell us.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298038 - 28/03/17 10:12 PM

I am pretty sure that Rigby, Mauser, Blaser, Sauer and Minox are under one banner while Tikka, Sako and Steiner are under the Beretta banner.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298039 - 28/03/17 10:22 PM

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John, you seem to be confused with what I am saying, I am talking about the method of attaching the barrel to the action, not the action itself. The M12 is very different to the M98, I know as I have owned both and still have 98's but that doesn't mean that the barrel can't be attached the same way on the new model. Until the M12 came along no other rifle barrel has been attached permanently, at least not that I know of.
Anyway it is just something I have been wondering, of course if you know differently for sure that is, not just guessing, than tell us.

Waidmannsheil.




How is every other Mauser 98 action and barrel connected?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298040 - 28/03/17 10:39 PM

With a thread, but this is a new model, not the old model. It also has a different safety and from what I can gather, a different trigger. As I said, it was only a question.

I will write Mauser an email now and hopefully they will answer us.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298041 - 28/03/17 10:41 PM

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I am pretty sure that Rigby, Mauser, Blaser, Sauer and Minox are under one banner while Tikka, Sako and Steiner are under the Beretta banner.

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You are right !
L&O Holding GmbH & Co. KG (Lüke and Ortmeir)
=> Blaser
=> J.P Sauer & Sohn
=> SIG Sauer
=> Mauser Jagdwaffen
=> John Rigby & Co
=> Swiss Arms
=> Minox Optik

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: DORLEAC]
      #298042 - 28/03/17 10:49 PM

Thanks Joel.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298050 - 29/03/17 05:34 AM

I had an M12 to buy with the view to converting to 9.3x64 but on hearing the barrel was 'pressed' in and thus un screwable I shit canned that order.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #298061 - 29/03/17 08:30 AM

why stop at 416 ? why not up to 500 ?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: 500Boswell]
      #298065 - 29/03/17 09:19 AM

I agree Boswell. A 98 in 500 would be something. I think they would sell plenty and then I could pick one up second hand when the original purchaser is too scared to fire it again.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Claydog]
      #298140 - 30/03/17 10:13 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Further to this original post, I see www.qldgunexchange.com have these new Rigby Highland Stalkers, for sale at $12,000.00.
FYI, I just looked on their web site, and no details are posted there at present.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Homer]
      #298388 - 04/04/17 06:44 AM

Gentlemen, it has been over a week and Mauser have not replied, probably some trade secret bullshit even though as soon as they come into circulation one could find out anyway. However, I have spoken to
John Mialls (Gunsmith and Mauser Australia agent) who has been to the plant in Germany and confirmed that they are definitely threaded, although he could not tell me what thread. It will be interesting to see if they will also sell just actions at a later date.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298411 - 04/04/17 01:46 PM

"John Mialls (Gunsmith and Mauser Australia agent) who has been to the plant in Germany and confirmed that they are definitely threaded"

Yes, it is a Mauser 98, which has the barrel threaded to the action, like I said before.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298421 - 04/04/17 03:25 PM

Yes, you may have said it but you didn't know, you were just guessing and hoping. I didn't know either, that's why I went and found out. And considering the complete silence on the topic by everybody else, they didn't know either. Anyway, now we know and it is good that it is threaded.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298486 - 05/04/17 10:41 PM

Guess? I think I mentioned "how much do you want to bet?". I would have taken a hundred thousand dollar bet on that "guess". ')

To anyone who knows. General question to anyone.

All this is off topic, but has any Mauser 98 not had a threaded barrel to action? The example I can think of are tje very specialist takedown creations where the barrel is threaded to a "collar" which is attached to the barrel and not the action. The collar is designed to fit into the action and the bolt designed to lock into the barrel collar. The modern examples of this are the Dakota takedowns. Are these actions classified as M98's? I don't know? Perhaps the same system was used on other Mauser 98's?

The true Mauser 98 takedowns do have the thread on the barrel which might be relieved to make the turning easier or interrupted to allow a part turn to allow it to be unlocked. Plus the other takedowns were the action and barrel is designed to be easily removed from the stock, and the barrel is not removed from the action. These of course also have a threaded barrel.

So has ANY Mauser 98 ever not had a threaded barrel to the action? The Mark X's, the FN's, the Oberdorfs, or any modern creation, such as the Brian Harre Mauser 98 made in NZ not that many years ago, even cheap and nasty Zastava's have threaded barrels, don't they?

Would be intrigued to know the answer?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298513 - 06/04/17 05:47 AM

We were actually talking about the "Brand New" Mauser 98 made by Blaser in the Blaser plant, which has the Mauser name attached to it and is not actually made by Mauser themselves. The was never any question about the older pre-war Mauser's, and I never mentioned them, they have always been threaded. Not sure what the fuss is all about, it was purely a question based on the Blaser reputation of using the latest manufacturing techniques.

Anyway, as to the question of take-down attachment methods, Westley Richards have in the past used their own two-start square thread which is really a big Bayonet thread.
Ritterbush has a system where the receiver is bored out and a barrel with a precision ground outer breach diameter is inserted into the receiver, then clamped by a screw which is fitted cross ways through the front of the action, which has a length ways slot underneath.
Dakota use the same system but the Dakota is classed as a Model 70 Type action rather than a Mauser.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298546 - 06/04/17 03:36 PM

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We were actually talking about the "Brand New" Mauser 98 made by Blaser in the Blaser plant, which has the Mauser name attached to it and is not actually made by Mauser themselves. The was never any question about the older pre-war Mauser's, and I never mentioned them, they have always been threaded. Not sure what the fuss is all about, it was purely a question based on the Blaser reputation of using the latest manufacturing techniques.




Nothing to do with Blaser. You need to understand how corporate groups work. Now you are saying it is a "Blaser 98" ... Jesus ....

As I said, "a Mauser 98 is a Mauser 98". They have been making the good old design in a magnum length again for some time, this is a "new" standard length as all the publicity says. Simple.

That discussion is closed.

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Anyway, as to the question of take-down attachment methods, Westley Richards have in the past used their own two-start square thread which is really a big Bayonet thread.
Ritterbush has a system where the receiver is bored out and a barrel with a precision ground outer breach diameter is inserted into the receiver, then clamped by a screw which is fitted cross ways through the front of the action, which has a length ways slot underneath.
Dakota use the same system but the Dakota is classed as a Model 70 Type action rather than a Mauser.

Waidmannsheil.




Thanks for that. I think this is worthy of a new discussion thread. As I said before when asking the question on takedowns and making some comments. it is off topic on this t thread. Will start a new one. PS Mauser is not making a takedown on its "new" Mauser 98 to my knowledge. Just in case some else gets confused.

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Edited by NitroX (06/04/17 05:19 PM)


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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298555 - 06/04/17 06:22 PM

You are right, discussing this any further seems to be a pointless exercise, sort of like banging your head against a wall for the fun of it. I guess we will just leave it at that.

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