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Waidmannsheil
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New Mauser M98
      #297818 - 26/03/17 10:13 AM

Gentlemen, I was speaking yesterday to a chap who sells Mauser here in Australia and he showed me the sales brochure for the new Mauser M98 which is running parallel to the Rigby Stalker. Obviously they didn't make a big fuss about it at IWA so that Rigby could take all the limelight, however it looks bloody good. Comes in the same calibers, 308, 30-06, 7x57, 8x57, 9.3x62 and has the same barrel length of 22". Obviously the same barreled action. The stock has a pistol grip with grip cap, ebony forend tip and a cheek piece. The barrel has a banded front sight, banded sling swivel and a what looks to be a banded rear sight with a single standing leaf. The timber comes standard as grade 5 and there is a Diplomat model with grade 7 timber. Priced at $2000 less than the Rigby at AUD $10000 and an additional $1500 for the Diplomat, although the timber on the base model (It also has a name which I can't remember)is bloody nice.
The Rigby probably looks a little elegant where as the Mauser looks more workman like. Sort of like a Range Rover and a Land Cruiser. IMO. Below is a short video of the rifle at IWA, which is the only one I could find. Mialls gun shop are trying to have a full range at the Melbourne shot show in a couple of months so I will let everyone know what it is like. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1nIaRxHbw

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297819 - 26/03/17 10:38 AM

I have been looking at these for some time..my heart says yes my bank says no!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297823 - 26/03/17 01:44 PM

Unfortunately I am in the same boat.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297825 - 26/03/17 02:01 PM

Will it be released for sale in the USA?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297826 - 26/03/17 02:04 PM

However sometime you have to bite the bullet and buy, especially if like me you have a hundred projects on the go that never get finished because you spend all day at work. If you want a new rifle that is beautiful with pretty much everything that you want already done, and you have no time yourself to make one, than this would be the cheapest way to get into the rifle of your dreams, so to speak. One in 9.3x62 would be a beauty.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Gundog01]
      #297827 - 26/03/17 02:06 PM

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Will it be released for sale in the USA?




If it is coming to Australia than you can be guaranteed that the USA will get them as well.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297830 - 26/03/17 02:16 PM

I have studied these pages over and over! Drooling I must add!

Magnums below.

Barrel Length: 62cm / 24.4”

Weight: 4.4Kg / 9.7lbs (4.6Kg / 10.1lbs- heavy barrel profile)
Length of Pull: 37.5cm / 14.76”
Muzzle diameter: 17.5mm / 0.69” (20.5mm / 0.8”- heavy barrel profile)
Overall length: 118.5cm / 46.7”
Special curlwood in wood grade 5. (Higher wood grades available)
High magazine capacity: 5+1 (.375H&H) ; 4+1 (.416 Rigby)
Caliber: .375 H&H and .416 Rigby
.375 H&H only normal barrel profile, .416 Rigby with either normal or heavy barrel profile



Its a great looker too.

https://www.mauser.com/fileadmin/user_up...nen_beigelt.png


https://www.mauser.com/en/products/m98/

The options page is worth looking further also.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297832 - 26/03/17 02:25 PM

Gryph, the M98 I am talking about is a standard length action, not a magnum.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297835 - 26/03/17 03:16 PM

I have studied that page as well cobber,they are all good!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297836 - 26/03/17 03:37 PM

Quote:

I have been looking at these for some time..my heart says yes my bank says no!


They look pretty damn good to me Gryphon...........Yes I know your pain bud!!!

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      #297841 - 26/03/17 04:17 PM

my life is to short for new made guns

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: lancaster]
      #297854 - 26/03/17 07:55 PM

Wundebar! Great to see the new rise of the Mauser 98.

I am particularly annoyed though about the wonderful new-old styled stock on the M03. As I acquired an "Alpine" model from a forum member a couple of years ago. One of these new classic Mauser stocks is EXACLY what this hunter ordered!!!

I like the new Mauser 98 standard action rifles. Well done to Mauser.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #297869 - 27/03/17 02:19 AM

The older Mauser site had DSB standard M98s along with the Magnum. Wonder what happened to them?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Huvius]
      #297881 - 27/03/17 05:44 AM

Yes I noticed this as well. It seems as though that Mauser removed these from their website some time ago with only the Magnum action for sale. My guess is that as the standard length action was sourced externally they dropped it from the line-up to make way for the in-house produced model that we see now. The caliber choice before hand was also much greater including 9.3x64. Considering that they only offer five choices which are the same as those offered by Rigby, one has to wonder whether the barrel is threaded and therefore removable, or is it permanently attached like on the Mauser M12. Maybe John could ask Marc Newton.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297950 - 27/03/17 11:30 PM

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one has to wonder whether the barrel is threaded and therefore removable, or is it permanently attached like on the Mauser M12.



My guess is 100% threaded. Just like any other Mauser M98.

Want to make a bet on this? How much?

Mauser M12 is not a Mauser 98.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #297975 - 28/03/17 04:56 AM

Mauser M12 is not a Mauser 98.

I still want one or two of those as well!

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #297976 - 28/03/17 05:12 AM

Your right, a M12 is not a M98, and I never said it was. It just seems strange that both the Rigby and the Mauser have the same identical chamberings with none of the very popular US cartridges such as 300 WM, 243 Win. ans 270 Win., all of which are very popular in Europe as well as the US. I can understand the Rigby but am amazed that the Mauser would not come with more choices. Anyway I guess we will see.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #297978 - 28/03/17 05:25 AM

I am not sure if the New Mauser 98 will become a bestseller.
So far one can see on the very few detailed pictures, it is a round top action. The rear bridge without the typical charger hump looks like the not highly estimated machining them off on the "Old Mausers".

A single square bridge action is a far better option. At least to my taste.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298016 - 28/03/17 05:55 PM

W'SHEIL,
Don't give them any mad ideas about changing the barrel thread design on a pattern 98 Mauser!

I like the stock style, also looks similar to the Mauser magnums, brief images posted of them recently by NitroX.

What do you think about the small machine cut checkering designs on them? They look fully laser or cnc cut on the Mauser's. On the Highland Stalker the checkering looks like it has more hand work in it.

I think it is logical in this model that both makes have the same caliber range. Doesn't Mauser or Blaser own part of Rigby? Logical from a company perspective anyway.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: GABE93]
      #298026 - 28/03/17 08:55 PM

Justcurious, difficult to say, I guess if it turns out to be good value for money then it will probably be a good seller. If it looks to be mainly machine made with little hand work, than $10000 is too much and it probably wont sell well.

I guess they stuck with the round top action for cost reasons, the square bridge even one adds dramatically to the cost of manufacture.

Having a drilled and tapped round top action also means that people can choose their own scope mounts of which there is a huge choice. If you have for example a DSB then the appropriate machining has to be performed more or less before bluing and then you are far more limited in your choices. Most German gunmakers like to use the Recknagel swing off rings which are nice but add a lot of height to the scope and are not that popular in other countries. Tally rings can be mounted nice and low but the Germans don't seem to like to use them (Heym being an exception).

Remember these rifles are supposed to be an off the shelf gun rather than a full custom.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298030 - 28/03/17 09:19 PM

Gabe, definetley not trying to change any barrel threads, just wondering if for cost reasons they have used the same process as on the M12, which has some other method of attaching the barrel making it non-removable. Possibly some sort of inductive brazing which can be performed on heat treated parts without softening anything. It just seems strange to me that the Rigby and the Mauser both have identical chamberings, whereas the standard length Mausers produced a few years ago could be had in any standard cartridge and from memory even some real oddballs. Those actions were sourced externally whereas on the new M98 the actions are made by Blaser and they are masters of using modern production methods to keep down costs.

I agree the stock looks good and I also agree that the checkering looks machine cut, although I was assured by someone who has been to the plant that it is hand cut. Apparently the stocks are rough machined by another company a few kilometers down the road and then brought to the Blaser plant for finish shaping, in-letting, finishing and checkering.

Not sure I agree with the caliber business, after all the Mauser M98 is supposed to be a different beast to the Rigby, obviously some are going to be the same however I would have assumed that the M98 would have additional choices.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298031 - 28/03/17 09:21 PM

Mauser owns the majority of the John Rigby company.

The choice of cartridges chambered for the Rigby Mauser is logical based on classic choices. Plus classically popular cartridge choices. .275 Rigb of course. 7x57 in the Mauser. .308 and .30-06 are popular in the USA still and everywhere through out the world. 8x57S was and maybe still is the most popular cartridge in Germany. 9.3x62 is the best driven game cartridge in a bolt action.

Probably same line up for economies of scale. Commercial businesses exist to make a profit.

My guess is we will over time see some additions. Perhaps some divergence in the line up. And maybe some cartridge deletions over time. So if you want one now, get one.

No doubt prospective customers not seeing what they want in the range, will mke their desires known.

.270 Winchester, and 6.5x55 are two that are popular but not there. And some of the classic magnums that fit the action.

I'm more than glad NOT to see any "Ultras", "Short Magnums" or other "trendy" must have instantly redundant modern choics. Old and a hundred years old or at least fifty years old for me.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298034 - 28/03/17 09:54 PM

Quote:

Gabe, definetley not trying to change any barrel threads, just wondering if for cost reasons they have used the same process as on the M12, which has some other method of attaching the barrel making it non-removable. Possibly some sort of inductive brazing which can be performed on heat treated parts without softening anything.



Obvious a Mauser 98 is a Mauser 98 ... and not a Mauser M12.

The resurgence of the Mauser 98 is what a great many rifle aficinadoes have been asking for decades.

The standard action was only relauched a few days before and already some are asking for more ...

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298035 - 28/03/17 09:58 PM

Agree with the short and ultra short cartridges and many of the other weird modern "here today, gone tomorrow" rounds that come out today.

Agree with the economies of scale as well, however the R8 comes out in a huge number of different cartridges as does the Sauer 404. I am just a bit surprised, that's all.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298036 - 28/03/17 10:06 PM

Changed my post.

Blaser and Sauer switch barrels ... easy to add a different barrel.

Mauser M03 and presumably the M12 (?) have all sorts of cartridge chambering range choices as well.

My GUESS is the standard Mauser 98 action relaunch was driven by Rigby and Mauser itself is taking advantage of the actions it is making. Why not?


Isn't the "Mauser" group, not sure of the structure but

Mauser
Rigby
Sako
Tikka
Beretta
Blaser
and others?

all in the same group of companies?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298037 - 28/03/17 10:09 PM

Quote:



Pretty bloody obvious a Mauser 98 is a Mauser 98 ... and not made like a Mauser M12.






John, you seem to be confused with what I am saying, I am talking about the method of attaching the barrel to the action, not the action itself. The M12 is very different to the M98, I know as I have owned both and still have 98's but that doesn't mean that the barrel can't be attached the same way on the new model. Until the M12 came along no other rifle barrel has been attached permanently, at least not that I know of.
Anyway it is just something I have been wondering, of course if you know differently for sure that is, not just guessing, than tell us.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298038 - 28/03/17 10:12 PM

I am pretty sure that Rigby, Mauser, Blaser, Sauer and Minox are under one banner while Tikka, Sako and Steiner are under the Beretta banner.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298039 - 28/03/17 10:22 PM

Quote:


John, you seem to be confused with what I am saying, I am talking about the method of attaching the barrel to the action, not the action itself. The M12 is very different to the M98, I know as I have owned both and still have 98's but that doesn't mean that the barrel can't be attached the same way on the new model. Until the M12 came along no other rifle barrel has been attached permanently, at least not that I know of.
Anyway it is just something I have been wondering, of course if you know differently for sure that is, not just guessing, than tell us.

Waidmannsheil.



How is every other Mauser 98 action and barrel connected?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298040 - 28/03/17 10:39 PM

With a thread, but this is a new model, not the old model. It also has a different safety and from what I can gather, a different trigger. As I said, it was only a question.

I will write Mauser an email now and hopefully they will answer us.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298041 - 28/03/17 10:41 PM

Quote:

I am pretty sure that Rigby, Mauser, Blaser, Sauer and Minox are under one banner while Tikka, Sako and Steiner are under the Beretta banner.

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You are right !
L&O Holding GmbH & Co. KG (Lüke and Ortmeir)
=> Blaser
=> J.P Sauer & Sohn
=> SIG Sauer
=> Mauser Jagdwaffen
=> John Rigby & Co
=> Swiss Arms
=> Minox Optik

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: DORLEAC]
      #298042 - 28/03/17 10:49 PM

Thanks Joel.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298050 - 29/03/17 05:34 AM

I had an M12 to buy with the view to converting to 9.3x64 but on hearing the barrel was 'pressed' in and thus un screwable I shit canned that order.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: gryphon]
      #298061 - 29/03/17 08:30 AM

why stop at 416 ? why not up to 500 ?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: 500Boswell]
      #298065 - 29/03/17 09:19 AM

I agree Boswell. A 98 in 500 would be something. I think they would sell plenty and then I could pick one up second hand when the original purchaser is too scared to fire it again.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Claydog]
      #298140 - 30/03/17 10:13 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Further to this original post, I see www.qldgunexchange.com have these new Rigby Highland Stalkers, for sale at $12,000.00.
FYI, I just looked on their web site, and no details are posted there at present.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Homer]
      #298388 - 04/04/17 06:44 AM

Gentlemen, it has been over a week and Mauser have not replied, probably some trade secret bullshit even though as soon as they come into circulation one could find out anyway. However, I have spoken to
John Mialls (Gunsmith and Mauser Australia agent) who has been to the plant in Germany and confirmed that they are definitely threaded, although he could not tell me what thread. It will be interesting to see if they will also sell just actions at a later date.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298411 - 04/04/17 01:46 PM

"John Mialls (Gunsmith and Mauser Australia agent) who has been to the plant in Germany and confirmed that they are definitely threaded"

Yes, it is a Mauser 98, which has the barrel threaded to the action, like I said before.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298421 - 04/04/17 03:25 PM

Yes, you may have said it but you didn't know, you were just guessing and hoping. I didn't know either, that's why I went and found out. And considering the complete silence on the topic by everybody else, they didn't know either. Anyway, now we know and it is good that it is threaded.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298486 - 05/04/17 10:41 PM

Guess? I think I mentioned "how much do you want to bet?". I would have taken a hundred thousand dollar bet on that "guess". ')

To anyone who knows. General question to anyone.

All this is off topic, but has any Mauser 98 not had a threaded barrel to action? The example I can think of are tje very specialist takedown creations where the barrel is threaded to a "collar" which is attached to the barrel and not the action. The collar is designed to fit into the action and the bolt designed to lock into the barrel collar. The modern examples of this are the Dakota takedowns. Are these actions classified as M98's? I don't know? Perhaps the same system was used on other Mauser 98's?

The true Mauser 98 takedowns do have the thread on the barrel which might be relieved to make the turning easier or interrupted to allow a part turn to allow it to be unlocked. Plus the other takedowns were the action and barrel is designed to be easily removed from the stock, and the barrel is not removed from the action. These of course also have a threaded barrel.

So has ANY Mauser 98 ever not had a threaded barrel to the action? The Mark X's, the FN's, the Oberdorfs, or any modern creation, such as the Brian Harre Mauser 98 made in NZ not that many years ago, even cheap and nasty Zastava's have threaded barrels, don't they?

Would be intrigued to know the answer?

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298513 - 06/04/17 05:47 AM

We were actually talking about the "Brand New" Mauser 98 made by Blaser in the Blaser plant, which has the Mauser name attached to it and is not actually made by Mauser themselves. The was never any question about the older pre-war Mauser's, and I never mentioned them, they have always been threaded. Not sure what the fuss is all about, it was purely a question based on the Blaser reputation of using the latest manufacturing techniques.

Anyway, as to the question of take-down attachment methods, Westley Richards have in the past used their own two-start square thread which is really a big Bayonet thread.
Ritterbush has a system where the receiver is bored out and a barrel with a precision ground outer breach diameter is inserted into the receiver, then clamped by a screw which is fitted cross ways through the front of the action, which has a length ways slot underneath.
Dakota use the same system but the Dakota is classed as a Model 70 Type action rather than a Mauser.

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298546 - 06/04/17 03:36 PM

Quote:

We were actually talking about the "Brand New" Mauser 98 made by Blaser in the Blaser plant, which has the Mauser name attached to it and is not actually made by Mauser themselves. The was never any question about the older pre-war Mauser's, and I never mentioned them, they have always been threaded. Not sure what the fuss is all about, it was purely a question based on the Blaser reputation of using the latest manufacturing techniques.



Nothing to do with Blaser. You need to understand how corporate groups work. Now you are saying it is a "Blaser 98" ... Jesus ....

As I said, "a Mauser 98 is a Mauser 98". They have been making the good old design in a magnum length again for some time, this is a "new" standard length as all the publicity says. Simple.

That discussion is closed.

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Anyway, as to the question of take-down attachment methods, Westley Richards have in the past used their own two-start square thread which is really a big Bayonet thread.
Ritterbush has a system where the receiver is bored out and a barrel with a precision ground outer breach diameter is inserted into the receiver, then clamped by a screw which is fitted cross ways through the front of the action, which has a length ways slot underneath.
Dakota use the same system but the Dakota is classed as a Model 70 Type action rather than a Mauser.

Waidmannsheil.



Thanks for that. I think this is worthy of a new discussion thread. As I said before when asking the question on takedowns and making some comments. it is off topic on this t thread. Will start a new one. PS Mauser is not making a takedown on its "new" Mauser 98 to my knowledge. Just in case some else gets confused.

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Edited by NitroX (06/04/17 05:19 PM)

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Re: New Mauser M98 [Re: NitroX]
      #298555 - 06/04/17 06:22 PM

You are right, discussing this any further seems to be a pointless exercise, sort of like banging your head against a wall for the fun of it. I guess we will just leave it at that.

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