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British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners.
      #296483 - 08/03/17 02:33 AM

These classic beauties have withstood the test of time. What's your favorite?

.300 H&H .375 H&H .416 Rigby .404 Jeffrey .505 Gibbs


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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Wanabebwana]
      #296487 - 08/03/17 04:01 AM

First and last.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: gryphon]
      #296496 - 08/03/17 05:08 AM

.375H&H

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: DarylS]
      #296497 - 08/03/17 05:09 AM

.416 Rigby

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: kuduae]
      #296511 - 08/03/17 07:08 AM

.303, .404 & .505
Sorry had to add that in

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #296520 - 08/03/17 08:50 AM

In my opinion the top five would be, in order:

.303
.375 H&H
.300 H&H
.350 Rigby
.500 Jeffery

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Grenadier]
      #296524 - 08/03/17 09:33 AM

400 H&H...

Sorry, couldn't resist...

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Ripp]
      #296527 - 08/03/17 10:47 AM

I would certainly put the 303 in place of the 300H&H
If you consider all of the Enfields and commercial 303 sporters, I bet it has taken more game than any other British cartridge.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Ripp]
      #296528 - 08/03/17 10:58 AM

Ripp, no offense taken. I do like the .400 H&H but I like the .375 2-1/2" NE even more. I loaded and shot a good bit of that old cartridge last year.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Huvius]
      #296531 - 08/03/17 01:24 PM

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I would certainly put the 303 in place of the 300H&H
If you consider all of the Enfields and commercial 303 sporters, I bet it has taken more game than any other British cartridge.



I suspect the ever so 'umble' .303 has taken far more game than all of the other cartridges combined.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: lonewulf]
      #296533 - 08/03/17 01:30 PM

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I would certainly put the 303 in place of the 300H&H
If you consider all of the Enfields and commercial 303 sporters, I bet it has taken more game than any other British cartridge.



I suspect the ever so 'umble' .303 has taken far more game than all of the other cartridges combined.



yes probably so as it born around 1888 with the 300H+H born around 1925.
It certainly doesn't make it a better game cartridge.
I would put the .275 Rigby in there before it.Its a Pom coz they changed the name.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #296546 - 08/03/17 02:40 PM

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.303, .404 & .505
Sorry had to add that in



Yep I have often thought that would be a cool trio.

One the same theme: .222; .333; .444; but no .555.

There is also a .204 but no .202.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: gryphon]
      #296547 - 08/03/17 02:43 PM

Not sure of the winning criteria ... but there are only two clear winners, the .303 British and the .375 H&H Magnum. Lots of other nice choices though.

Who invented the .22 RF?

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: NitroX]
      #296550 - 08/03/17 03:35 PM

It was a French fellla named Flobert.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: A_Pepsi_Cola_Can]
      #296555 - 08/03/17 04:35 PM

Whats all this .303 love?

Who actually chooses it over all of their other rifles for when they go out after deer whether that be Wap,Reds,Sambar,WT,Muleys?

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: gryphon]
      #296596 - 09/03/17 01:33 AM

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Whats all this .303 love?

Who actually chooses it over all of their other rifles for when they go out after deer whether that be Wap,Reds,Sambar,WT,Muleys?



Ironically, growing up on a farm in N Dakota, we did not have a lot of extra walking around money. We didn't have indoor plumbing till I was 8 years old..

My first centerfire rifle was a .303 Enfield..still have it to this day..open sights..never scoped it..and literally shot dozens and dozens of whitetail with that rifle back in the day of party hunting...cost me $40 at the time..was my uncle's who is now deceased...plan to give it to my youngest son one day as his first centerfire as well..and yes, periodically I do take it out for a walk....really pisses the other rifles off..

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Grenadier]
      #296597 - 09/03/17 01:39 AM

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Ripp, no offense taken. I do like the .400 H&H but I like the .375 2-1/2" NE even more. I loaded and shot a good bit of that old cartridge last year.



Like you I too think the 400H&H is a cool idea...I like the unusual..or new or old..

Doesn't matter to me and each to their own..but personally don't care if one is faster, slower, better SD or BC...if its what I like I get it when available..I read the article in AMERICAN RIFLEMAN last month on the 400H&H..found it really interesting..

Dakota will probably not sell a ton of these..BUT, to those that do I am certain the cartridge will perform perfectly...not better, probably not worse..it will just work.. as is often said..Dead is dead...

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Ripp]
      #296601 - 09/03/17 01:49 AM

Purely from the standpoint of the beauty of the cartridges I vote for the .375 H&H and the .505 Gibbs in that order. I've admired the looks of the .375 since I was about 12 yrs old. The .350 Rigby magnum and .400/350 run it a close race in the looks department.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: gryphon]
      #296608 - 09/03/17 04:31 AM

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Whats all this .303 love?

Who actually chooses it over all of their other rifles for when they go out after deer whether that be Wap,Reds,Sambar,WT,Muleys?



I picked the .303 and .375 merely on the basis of actual use over the last hundred or so years and that they are British. British being a criteria of the comment.

Non British, obviously the .30-06 would be up there at the top.

I've only got two .303's both Mk1 No.III SMLE's. One full wood, still with matching numbers. Mainly purchased this for heritage reasons. Would be cool to have it displayed hanging on a wall. Nowadays not possible until I one day build a man cave walk in underground bunker where it and others can hang on a wall.

The other is a cut down version. For rough use. Also an original Light Horse scabbard. In case I need to ride a horse one day ...

One day I think it would be nice to have a nice classic sporting .303 and use it for hunting. Maybe a Lee Speed or a double in .303.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: NitroX]
      #296615 - 09/03/17 05:54 AM

.303 is the most popular hunting round here - what's amazing, is how many people handload for their Enfields.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: DarylS]
      #296623 - 09/03/17 07:00 AM

Since I have three belted 375Mag magazine rifles and one flanged 375Mag double rifle i would choose the 404J.


Had a nice takedown English magazine 404J 30yrs ago. Have a barrel and some of the makings in the safe. Just haven't got there yet! May be cheaper just to buy one. Mmmm, and I have an action for a 505Gibbs sitting with a friend in the USA.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Rockdoc]
      #296632 - 09/03/17 09:17 AM

Would be the 375 H&H. The only round whose popularity has never really fluctuated throughout its existence and has never been superseded successfully by a newer more modern round. Now I use a 404 and a 303 fairly regularly but as far as being the winner the 375 gets it hands down.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Claydog]
      #296658 - 09/03/17 05:35 PM

505 was a beast of a cartridge in physical size. My favourite brit cartridge though is the .425 WR! Is a dream gun of mine. I think it was Huvius who sold one exactly how i want.. 28" barrel, extended magazine.


As for the above.. .300 has that sexy slope, .375 has that nice taper.. Never been a fan of hte Rigby's shape, .404 is again a nice shape.. I'll lock in .375.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Ash]
      #296664 - 09/03/17 09:19 PM

Of the cartridges presented, 416 Rigby, 375 H&H 404J in that order.

I still hunt with my Jungle Carbine and Ruger No1 in 303. Still a damned good round.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Rule303]
      #298232 - 01/04/17 02:11 AM

The 275 Rigby has a mystique all its own. Lots of history associated with that cartridge. Not quite as physically impressive as the big bores, but a killer none the less. Perhaps it being a 7x57 Mauser with another name keeps it from being a purebred British round.

The 318 Westley Richards and 333 Jeffery are both classic British rounds. I wish they were more popular. However they have fallen into history. Not because they are inferior rounds, but because cartridges in between .30 and .375 caliber have never been as popular as they deserved. That along with the arrival of the .338 Winchester Magnum.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: KWJohnston]
      #298235 - 01/04/17 03:53 AM

* Apologies to the OP, I have gotten off topic. Of the cartridges listed, The 505 Gibbs has its impressive size, the 300 H&H is sexy as a super model, but the 375 H&H is the winner for popularity through the ages. Used in every corner of the world, it's name still carries credentials the 375 Ruger, Weatherby ect will never match.

I have never owned one, but I would love to have a 404 Jeffery. A bit bigger bullet than the 416, and without the stupid belt of the H&H cases. It can also be shoehorned into a less massive action, and handier rifle than the 505 Gibbs requires. Sounds about perfect to me.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: KWJohnston]
      #298241 - 01/04/17 07:22 AM

There's that belt again.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #298242 - 01/04/17 10:30 AM

Yep!

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: gryphon]
      #298259 - 01/04/17 10:00 PM

The .303 is the cornerstone of any rifle battery! It's my "go-to" woods cartridge.

Of the ones featured by the OP, I'm a fan of the .375 H&H.

Now let's see. . .

Last count I have:
* four .303 doubles;
* one .303 single shot;
* two .375 H&H doubles; and
* two .375 H&H bolt rifles.

Yeah, I guess I'm a fanboy!

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: CptCurl]
      #298261 - 01/04/17 10:42 PM

It´s funny but this well-known caliber .303 British is virtually totally unknown here in Finland. I have never seen or heard that anybody here owns any rifle in that caliber.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Igorrock]
      #298265 - 02/04/17 12:42 AM

I moved to QUEBEC from Alberta when I was a kid and started hunting with my cousins and uncles for moose every year. There where more 303 enfields in camp then everything else combined. Some sporterized some garage modified and a Mark4s as is.

There was always 8-12 of us in camp and the list of calibers over the years. There was some evolution over the years but by memory. There was a trend to "upgrade" from the 303 / 30-30 to the 7mm Rem mag.
6x 303
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2x 30-30
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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Rell]
      #298276 - 02/04/17 03:40 AM

I am not surprised the .303 is rare in Finland. As it belonged to the British Empire and Commonwealth.

I am surprised it is still so used in Canada.

In Australia say around 50 years ago the .303, and the .25/303, .270/303, and other derivations, would have been pretty much universal. Today very very few people would use one.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: NitroX]
      #298285 - 02/04/17 07:40 AM

My family are out of the country, farmers, teacher, loggers and such. No one ever sold there old 303 or 30-30 if they upgrade they kept the old rifle and it went to the next gen as a first rifle.

In the far north the 303 is still second only to the 22lr as a harvester of meat. Hell the Canadian rangers still get issued them although that is starting to change to 308s now.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Rell]
      #298304 - 02/04/17 03:46 PM

.303 ammo outsells all others I am sure along with quite a number of guys with Lee Loader hand dies for it. The ammo is still quite inexpensive compared to about all other CF's.
180gr. WW Power Points seem about the best on moose, now that 215gr. Imperial/Dominion ammo is not loaded any more.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Igorrock]
      #298308 - 02/04/17 07:13 PM

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It´s funny but this well-known caliber .303 British is virtually totally unknown here in Finland. I have never seen or heard that anybody here owns any rifle in that caliber.



buy yourself a lee -enfield, its very easy to rechamber to 7,62x53R
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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: lancaster]
      #298313 - 03/04/17 12:10 AM

I prefer m98, we have for sale some examples converted to x53R calibers.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Igorrock]
      #298324 - 03/04/17 03:46 AM

I own rifles in all five of the pictured calibers, but as far as hunting is concerned, the .300 H&H easily wins the competition if number of game animals brought down with it is the criterion. For an all-round caliber and the minimum caliber for dangerous game, I would certainly endorse the .375 H&H, but for elephant, rhino and buffalo, I'll take the .505. I have never killed a hippo, so I can['t comment on that, but I suspect the .505 would be my choice for it as well.

I grew up in an area where deer were first reintroduced about 50 years ago, so I have no boyhood hunting experiences like those of many of the other contributors to fall back on. I was in college before I fired my first center fire rifle.

Since then, things have radically changed. The county I grew up in and have now returned to ranked number three in deer "harvest" this year, down from its usual number one or two spot. The daily limit on deer during archery, muzzle loading and rifle seasons is three per day. Two eight point bucks, two six pointers and numerous does were harvested off my farm this past season, which I view as partial pay back for the damage the deer cause to my soybean crop.

I have never used any of the cartridges mentioned at the beginning of this thread on deer, except for the one very large buck I took with my .300 H&H some 35 years ago. Instead, I have used over twenty center fire cartridges, ranging from the .22-.250 Remington to the .400 Whelen, and my conclusion is that they will all kill cleanly if the shot is put in the right place.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: xausa]
      #299105 - 16/04/17 02:47 AM

I started writing a piece titled The 303, 404 & 505 ; The Palindrome Trifecta but couldnt get my editor interested even with photos of my Lee Speed, very early Jeffery and a friends original Gibbs.

But if forced to vote on just one it would be the 375 H&H

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: 458Win]
      #299116 - 16/04/17 10:19 AM

Be interested in reading it if you posted it here Phil.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: VonGruff]
      #299122 - 16/04/17 01:33 PM

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Be interested in reading it if you posted it here Phil.



Agreed.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Rule303]
      #299125 - 16/04/17 04:04 PM

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Quote:

Be interested in reading it if you posted it here Phil.



Agreed.


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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: KWJohnston]
      #299149 - 17/04/17 07:12 AM

Let's take the .375 H&H and blow out the neck and squeeze in the 500 bullet... We'll call it the .458 Lott!

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #299150 - 17/04/17 08:50 AM

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Be interested in reading it if you posted it here Phil.



Agreed.


+1



Oh yeah, oh yeah!

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: VonGruff]
      #299159 - 17/04/17 05:18 PM

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Be interested in reading it if you posted it here Phil.



Good to see how many people shared my first thought reading Phil's comment. We'd love to host it here. Can't pay for it, but might be able to find a DVD or book as a return gift, if you'd like.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: NitroX]
      #299538 - 24/04/17 02:40 PM

For some reason the editor of Rifle magazine never could fathom that there was enough interest in African calibers !?!

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: 458Win]
      #299539 - 24/04/17 02:43 PM

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For some reason the editor of Rifle magazine never could fathom that there was enough interest in African calibers !?!



Either a heathen or uneducated in the world of firearms.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: Rule303]
      #299548 - 24/04/17 06:05 PM

303 is very rarely seen in the U.K. Now as a hunting round. In Scotland min muzzle velocity of 2450 fps introduced 30 odd years meant an awful lot of 303s and 6.5x54 mannlichers were traded in for a Parker Hale 270 win. 300 H&H pretty much unheard off. There are a few 240 H&H still around, but not many. 7x57 / 275 Rigby is making by a bit of a comeback, but nowadays it's pretty much 243, 270 or 308.

Given our strict licencing most hunters will just have one centrefire rifle and one 22lr. - we have to justify each rifle and why we need it.

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Re: British Magazine Rifle Cartridges. The Winners. [Re: HeymSR20]
      #299568 - 25/04/17 04:57 AM


Rarely seen, but still used, a stag from twenty five years ago or so. I was a whisker from taking a fallow with it last night! These new fangled. 308 will never catch on!!
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