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KWJohnston
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Oberndorf markings on Military actions
      #261901 - 08/03/15 01:29 PM

I have always been under the impression that only Original Mauser sporters carried the Oberndorf markings. Recently a friend of mine stated he was fairly certain that some military actions were also made at and marked Oberndorf. I was hoping the members of this forum could list the military actions that could possibly be marked Oberndorf a/n. Thanks

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: KWJohnston]
      #261913 - 08/03/15 03:53 PM

Have a sort through this link. http://www.mausershooters.org/k98k/K98_codes.html

also this one http://www.mauser98k.internetdsl.pl/kodyen.html

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: KWJohnston]
      #261919 - 08/03/15 06:26 PM

Some WW1 GEW's - Waffenfabrik, some 1908 Brazilians - DWM Oberndorf, 1935 Brazilians and Portuguese contract - Mauserwerke. Probably more from the '30s too.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: metal]
      #261928 - 09/03/15 01:42 AM

The 1909 Peruvian and others that do not immediately come to mind.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: KWJohnston]
      #262038 - 11/03/15 12:12 AM

I have seen one receiver made for Serbian army. Mauser Oberndorf was written with cyrillic alphabets.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: 7mmSAKO]
      #262051 - 11/03/15 03:02 AM

Actually it is the other way round, Oberndorf produced commercial Mausers with no
"Oberndorf" anywhere on the receiver. One way to tell if it is an Oberndorf it a
serial # just behind the recoil lug and another matching # on the back of the mag. box. This
serial # can also be used to establish the date of manufacture.

Should it have DSTs, they are integral to the bottom metal same as a Brno 22H, not
an after market unit installed afterwards. The trigger guard loop is also different - a bit larger
than normal. And yes you can find "Oberndorf" on almost any military Mauser - they were first and foremost an arms manufacturer. No flies on a military Oberndorf 98 based rifle but as pointed out the commercial was a bit different. TTBOMK - FWIW. --- John

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: John303]
      #262085 - 11/03/15 10:14 PM

There's one currently for sale on Guns International that sits on the fence:- a Sportgewehr Target Rifle in 8.15x46R.

I personally like the Oberndorf origin for a Jeffery or Rigby style sporter and recently acquired a Gew98 action originally from that foundry and marked in the usual fashion:

WAFFENFABRIK
MAUSER A.-G.
OBERNDORF A/N
1915

It is destined for a classic .275 or .318 build, unscoped. I will not be radius-grinding that receiver-ring!

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: Marrakai]
      #262209 - 14/03/15 05:19 AM

Thank you to everyone who took time to respond. I have a bit better understanding of the various military actions that can be found with Oberndorf markings. I have already spotted a Brazilian action so marked. I am sure if I keep my eyes open I will come across others. If anyone spots other actions with Oberndorf markings, please list them here.

Marrakai, I am glad to hear your Oberndorf marked action will be unscoped, open sights and in a classic British caliber. Every time I seen a nice action that somehow escaped the "drilled and tapped" gun buggers with drawers full of weaver scope bases and see through mounts....I rejoice !


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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: KWJohnston]
      #262493 - 19/03/15 11:34 AM

During WWII their code was byf in small letters. I had a very nice byf 41 that I had barreled to 257Robts and a nice checkered bolt handle installed. Barrel was a Pfieffer which was a premium at the time which was 1952. I carried the barreled action to gunsmith school with every intention of finishing it. Traded it almost immediately for a 257AI custom by one of the students. It was a super clean action.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: zimhunter]
      #262560 - 21/03/15 12:04 AM

Wyatt,

I have a M1908 Brazilian marked DWM - Oberndorf, but most of those that I have seen are marked DWM - Berlin.

It is a very nicely made action.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: zimhunter]
      #262583 - 21/03/15 07:32 AM

Quote:

During WWII their code was byf in small letters.



That is correct in that "byf" code K98k's are the most common Oberndorf code. The byf code is, however, only one of several codes used to designate Mauser Oberndorf during WWII production. In chronological order they are:

S/42K (no year)
S/42G (no year)
S/42 (4-digit year)
42 (4-digit year)
byf (4-digit year)
byf (2-digit year)
svw (2-digit year)

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: Glen71]
      #262832 - 27/03/15 12:04 PM

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the poster is referring mainly to Oberndorf Mauser's commercial style script on military actions, not codes. Their were a number of commercial 98K's built primarily in 1933 and 34, such as the Postreich post office guns, railroad guns, gun club guns, and commercial exports that went all over the world, even the U.S. These usually had commercial proof marks. The ones that made it here were usually stamped "Made in Germany" on the floor plate. This was part of the Nazi's backdoor attempt at circumventing the treaty of Versai before they decided to just ignore it altogether. These rifles usually had a banner by itself on the the top of the front ring, or a banner with a date under it. The left receiver wall would usually say "Standard Modell", or "Mauser Werke A.G. Oberndorf a.n. Neckar" or something similar. Many commercial actions (mostly pre-WWI) were sold to the gunmaking/gunsmithing trade. These had the serial numbers on the bottom of the action behind the recoil lug and on the back of the magazine box like found on Mauser's commercial sporting rifles, but did not usually have any other reference in script to Mauser on the outside of the action. A few south American contracts used the intermediate commercial style action, such as the 1933 Buenos Aires Police guns, 1935 Chilean's etc. This is a long and large ring small thread intermediate action similar, and possibly identical to, the action used on most of J. Rigby's 275 rifles. The 1903 Turk and 1909 peruvian are very similar, but for the high clip notch and round bottom thumb cut (The commercial intermediates like this have a flat bottom thumb cut out. I won't say always because you never know what could turn up. The 1935 Chilean action is identical to the Commercial intermediate, except for markings.) I highly recommend John Speeds books on Mausers and "Mauser Bolt Rifles" by Ludwig Olsen. Brownells has is on sale for $19.95 right now. Wow! These books have more esoteric info about Mausers than one can possibly imagine.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #262851 - 28/03/15 05:56 AM

ColoradoMatt1,

I have a 1935 Chilean rifle that uses a standard length Mauser action. I know I read years ago where the rifle should use an intermediate action but don't remember where I read it.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: jgrabow]
      #262855 - 28/03/15 08:26 AM

Quote:

ColoradoMatt1,

I have a 1935 Chilean rifle that uses a standard length Mauser action. I know I read years ago where the rifle should use an intermediate action but don't remember where I read it.



Have you compared the length of the bolt to another standard length action?

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #262860 - 28/03/15 10:16 AM

Yes, I compared bolts and receiver rings with a K98k 42/1940 Mauser.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: jgrabow]
      #262862 - 28/03/15 10:41 AM

Here's the only picture I have of the 1935 Chilean receiver on the far left next to a 1930 10.75x68 B.U.G. proofed Mauser and a 1908 350 Magnum Rigby Mauser magnum length stepped receiver. The bolts are interchangeable between the 1930, 1935 and 42/1940 receivers. I know the Chilean receivers were issued in the white but I re-blued the rifle years ago.



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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: jgrabow]
      #262884 - 28/03/15 09:58 PM

Sorry, thinks I'm confused with the 1935 Argentine.

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: ColoradoMatt1]
      #262896 - 29/03/15 06:44 AM

Yes ColoradoMatt1, I was asking about actions with Oberndorf script of some sort on the action. However the info on Oberndorf codes was very interesting. At a recent gun show I looked at a good many military actions. Anyone have pictures of the Oberndorf markings on a GEW98 action ? I still have not spotted one yet....

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: KWJohnston]
      #262958 - 31/03/15 05:30 AM

From the K98k Forum [/URL][/image]

Edited by Glen71 (02/04/15 02:44 AM)

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: Glen71]
      #262968 - 31/03/15 12:52 PM

Glen thanks for the great picture ! Have not seen one marked that way yet, but I'm gonna keep my eyes open. Glad that action has not been scoped. My heart sank when I spotted an original Banner action at the last gun show and realized it had been drilled and tapped....poorly!

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Re: Oberndorf markings on Military actions [Re: KWJohnston]
      #262982 - 01/04/15 04:34 AM

Here's a better picture to show the entire roll stamp. (from the K98k Forum)20GEW_zps0gsbnocr.jpg.html][image]http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag476/glen7jr1/1906%20Oberndorf%

Edited by Glen71 (02/04/15 08:30 AM)

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