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John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle
      #241747 - 05/02/14 04:59 AM

John Rigby & Co collaborates with Mauser once again to create a new iconic firearm – The Big Game Rifle

After months of speculation, London gunmaker John Rigby & Co. has finally unveiled its latest creation, a bolt action rifle appropriately named ‘The Big Game’.

As one of the oldest gunmakers in the world, the cult brand recently enjoyed a renaissance after joining forces with its old German ally, Mauser. Much to the delight of firearms enthusiasts, history has repeated itself, as this is the first time since before World War I that these manufacturing titans have collaborated on a project.

‘The Big Game’ is built on the Magnum Mauser action, which is based on the classic model 98 design. Many aspects of the original, including the much admired and copied extractor and three position flag safety, have been retained.The actions and barrels are supplied by Mauser then hand-finished by master cartsmen at the Rigby workshop in London. The guns are proofed in London and will carry the London proof mark as they did 100 years ago.

Available in a Single or Double Square Bridge version, ‘The Big Game’ offers professional and recreational hunters a more moderately priced alternative to the brand’s ‘London Best’ custom rifles. The Single Square Bridge model is the professional hunter’s rifle of choice. Available in .416” and .450” Rigby calibres, this edition is designed for use with express sights only. The action is fitted with the classic three-position flag safety and 22” barrel. Overall weight, unloaded, is 10lb 8oz, stock length 141/2” including a rubber recoil pad.

The Double Square Bridge model is produced in .375” H&H and .416” Rigby calibres and with a 24” lightweight barrel this rifle is ideally suited for use with a telescopic sight. The Winchester style safety is in the horizontal position to facilitate the fitting of a variety of mounting systems on the machined bridges. Weight of the rifle unloaded is 10lb and stock length 14½” including red rubber recoil pad.

These stunning rifles boasts classic Rigby design features including robust, ergonomic stock shape with higher comb for better fit and absorption of recoil, plasma nitride finish to all metal surfaces resulting in a resilient, anti-glare and rust-resistant finish, Rigby express sights dovetailed directly onto the rib with a single fixed V and 2 folding leaves zeroed at 65, 150 and 250 yards and Rigby pattern magazine floor plate that allows the .416 rifles to hold four rounds in the magazine and another in the chamber. With hand engraved finishing touches, case hardened recoil bars and heat-blued extractor, this exceptional value rifle is a landmark in modern sporting firearms manufacturing.

Price: From UK £7,787 / US $13,558 / €9,270 inc VAT and Grade 5 wood.













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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #241752 - 05/02/14 06:31 AM

Can't say that I approve of the stock. Not at all graceful in the Rigby tradition.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: dons]
      #241754 - 05/02/14 06:53 AM

No more than the modern magnum Mauser built on a Prechtl Golmatic action they sell from ten years.
Same action, modern sights, laser engraving...and alas same stock and checkering !
It seems they have never seen or held a true Rigby from the glory days.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: dons]
      #241755 - 05/02/14 07:01 AM

Well Dons, if you don't like that piece of kit matey then buy one for the hell of it & send it through to me - I've already made room in the gunsafe for it.
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 93x64mm]
      #241772 - 05/02/14 09:23 AM

IMO you DORLEAC build very fine rifles but I΄m suprised at you never have anything positive to say about yours rival endeavours. Someone could say that as a french arrogance but I do not say so because I heve worked with yours countrymen and it was very nice experience. For me yours pictures and texts could be more believeable if you could give at least some more positive comments...

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #241773 - 05/02/14 09:37 AM

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No more than the modern magnum Mauser built on a Prechtl Golmatic action they sell from ten years.
Same action, modern sights, laser engraving...and alas same stock and checkering !
It seems they have never seen or held a true Rigby from the glory days.




I agree.

They say the measurements were taken from an original pre-war 416 but it doesn't look right to my eye.
I see mention of a "stock shape with higher comb for better fit and absorption of recoil". Not sure I follow that.
The 22" barrel looks stubby and the fit of the barrel band sling mount on the open sight gun is terrible.

Give me a Dorleac over this any day!

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Huvius]
      #241774 - 05/02/14 10:21 AM

The use of a quarter rib on a bolt action escapes me. Much less the fact that the pistol grip is too closed a radius for those with longer hands.

FWIW we get better from some local smiths as Ozhunter's photos attest.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
      #241779 - 05/02/14 12:14 PM

Oh so many picky people!

I would have one in a flash all I need is a cash injection!

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #241785 - 05/02/14 03:13 PM

I think it is great to see Rigby & Mauser back again. Keeping in mind these are "working rifles" I would still expect proper point pattern checkering and not just infill rubbish, sadly a lot of high end guns & rifles fall down in this area.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #241796 - 05/02/14 07:14 PM

Igorrock,

I'm sorry if you have misunderstood my comment.
It is not French arrogance, but disappointment. I know very well the newly made 98' Mauser magnum rifles and even the team of gunsmiths that assembles them and I'm a fan - and a friend customer- of Gottfried Prechtl who pioneered the European modern made Mauser clones, but I was naοve in thinking that the Blaser-Sauer-Mauser group, having all the good cards in hand will produce a true modernized Rigby.
I regret that they settle for a slightly revamped Mauser magnum, using the same stock shape, shortened barrel and a front sight block that uses the spring and Allen screw adjustable bead tof their mod.03/12…
The short rib is reminiscent of the ones find on the late .416 and it's not out of place even if I would have preferred the traditional Rigby flat, but what bothers me is the too close grip coupled with that short barrel and long forearm…that is only my opinion and don't put in doubt the overall quality and reliability of the new rifle.
Notice also that when you write that "you never have anything positive to say about yours rival endeavours" you certainly have not read my posts.
I don't consider others gunsmiths as "rivals" but as friends and I have learned many good things from D'Arcy Echols, Steven Dodd Hughes and many others like my old master Lenard Brownell…my aim is to try to improve each of my work because I think I can do it better.
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: metal]
      #241798 - 05/02/14 07:28 PM

I think Rigby claims the stock is the same as the pre-War pattern. It does look a little "blocky" and the barrel too short in comparison.

In the hands I think it would probably be fine however.

I hope they continue and we see .450 Rigby's, .350 Rigby's etc and of course .275 Rigby's in the future. Some of these may already be available in other models eg .275?

Of course comparisons both in quality, style, price etc to other makers are a different matter, both on objective and subjective bases.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #241810 - 06/02/14 12:10 AM

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I don't consider others gunsmiths as "rivals" but as friends and I have learned many good things from D'Arcy Echols, Steven Dodd Hughes and many others like my old master Lenard Brownell…my aim is to try to improve each of my work because I think I can do it better.
All the best.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 93x64mm]
      #241816 - 06/02/14 02:29 AM

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Well Dons, if you don't like that piece of kit matey then buy one for the hell of it & send it through to me - I've already made room in the gunsafe for it.
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ripp]
      #241820 - 06/02/14 04:04 AM

Mr.DORLEAC's comments are very true and have nothing to do with French arrogance. In recent correspondence Mr. Dorelac referred me to two local gunsmiths "You have in US and Canada top end gunsmith machinists who are able to make that kind of job.
I think that Ralf Martini in Cranbrook, Canada or D'Arcy Echols in Milville, UT, USA will do a better work than us (!)"
Arrogance? I think NOT!

At US $13,558 I would expect more for my dollar! A fore end tip, a cheek piece and a means of attaching a scope (on the less expensive rifle) A Ruger Express rifle in 416 Rigby is a much better value for the money!

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: FrankFarmer]
      #241826 - 06/02/14 06:31 AM

I have to agree with the gentlemen above.

I sum up the rifle this way;
It's a very nice $2,200 rifle with a $13,558 price tag.

Maybe it's a $2200 rifle with $11,358 added for the brand name.

Looks as if they are following PT Barnum in his business plan.
He is quoted as saying "It is morally wrong to allow a fool to keep his money"


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: szihn]
      #241832 - 06/02/14 10:27 AM

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I sum up the rifle this way;
It's a very nice $2,200 rifle with a $13,558 price tag.

Maybe it's a $2200 rifle with $11,358 added for the brand name.





I wouldn't say that...
It does have a magnum length square bridge Mauser action after all.
I would be more interested in it if they had made it as an exact duplicate of a pre-war Rigby 416 and there is no real reason why they couldn't have done just that.
Exact copy of the stock, exact barrel contour, exactly the same checkering and engraving as well as the expected fit and finish of a Rigby would have then added up to something special and maybe worth the asking price.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Huvius]
      #241834 - 06/02/14 10:44 AM

Huvius
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Claydog]
      #241837 - 06/02/14 11:22 AM

As I have handled several very old, original .416 Rigby rifles, besides more .350s and .275s, those guys did a pretty good job copying an really old Rigby .416 rifle. Those also came without cheekpiece or foreend tip (I have yet to see a genuine prewar Rigby with these features), with a closer pistol grip and a longer, fatter foreend than their No.4 .350s. They also had such a short rear sight rib, a barrel tapering to the front sling loop, the sling loop band set against a barrel step. Those old .416 Rigby No.5 rifles were not slim or elegant, but very substantial, if not to say clumsy. Just the "new" barrel is 2" shorter. Here is the page of Rigby's 1924 catalog that shows most of the features you complained about:


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #241842 - 06/02/14 05:40 PM

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As I have handled several very old, original .416 Rigby rifles, besides more .350s and .275s, those guys did a pretty good job copying an really old Rigby .416 rifle. Those also came without cheekpiece or foreend tip (I have yet to see a genuine prewar Rigby with these features), with a closer pistol grip and a longer, fatter foreend than their No.4 .350s. They also had such a short rear sight rib, a barrel tapering to the front sling loop, the sling loop band set against a barrel step. Those old .416 Rigby No.5 rifles were not slim or elegant, but very substantial, if not to say clumsy. Just the "new" barrel is 2" shorter. Here is the page of Rigby's 1924 catalog that shows most of the features you complained about:





Quote:

John Rigby & Co: This is the original shape, it was copied exactly.




Quote:

John Rigby & Co:

yes there are some improvements such as:
- Plasma Nitride metal finish
- Higher comb for stock fit
- Modern trigger
- Improved safety
- Easy to regulate iron sights
- Modern steel etc




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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #241843 - 06/02/14 05:50 PM

I think some of the comments on this thread have been a bit un-realistic or even a bit more than that.

Anyone who can buy a new Magnum length actioned modern Mauser 98 actioned rifle in .416 Rigby for the price mentioned (ie "$2200"), please show some examples of rifles available for sale at that very low price! Even CZ .416's cost about twice that. Quite a ludicrous statement.

"Buy a Ruger intead" ... well that poster is welcome, as I wouldn't buy a Ruger at all. Obviously far different tastes involved there!

The price while high - UK £7,787 / US $13,558 / €9,270 inc VAT and Grade 5 wood - is not unrealistic when compared to other European quality M98 bolt action rifle makers.

At am guessing on gun forums back in 1905 - maybe the round table at the gun club = similar comments were made, "Hell I would buy a no name easily forgotten Mauser 98 rifle for £7 intead of that ridiculous Rigby for £12! How can they justify such a price!!!"

Yet the same rifles are held in esteem today.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #241887 - 07/02/14 05:54 AM


LOL!
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #241889 - 07/02/14 06:40 AM

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Just the "new" barrel is 2" shorter. Here is the page of Rigby's 1924 catalog that shows most of the features you complained about:





The new barrel is a full 4" shorter! That, I think, is the biggest aesthetic detraction.

John, you are probably right about the men debating the value of the original Rigbys in period, just as we do today. There is a lot more competition in that market today than pre-war and the high end buyer has a greater expectation in regard to fit and finish than the man looking for a working rifle in the '20s.
I am probably being too harsh on the guns but I do, however, fear that these new Rigby Big Game rifles are not living up to the name (not as bad as CalRigby of course) and the few guys I know whom have handled them were not impressed. Particular comment was made regarding how they "felt", and this from gents with considerable vintage rifle experience.
Just look at the Rigby that Schwandt sold a while ago. What a beauty that one is!
http://www.schwandtclassicarms.com/magnificent_original_rigby_416_b.htm

Why they didn't just copy one of these exactly is beyond me.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #241910 - 07/02/14 09:44 AM

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At am guessing on gun forums back in 1905 - maybe the round table at the gun club = similar comments were made, "Hell I would buy a no name easily forgotten Mauser 98 rifle for £7 intead of that ridiculous Rigby for £12! How can they justify such a price!!!"

Yet the same rifles are held in esteem today.



Better yet: Going by the Manton, Calcutta 1925 catalog a .275 Rigby No.2 rifle was Rs. 750.-, while a .275 B Mauser, barreled action at least made by the same people on the same machines, using the same ammo, was offered at a mere Rs. 175.-. That's a 328% increase for the Rigby name and finish.
Compare this with current prices: Frankonia lists the CZ 550 Safari Classic at € 3299.-, while the Rigby is listed above at € 9270.-. That's a mere 181 % increase for a true Magnum Mauser action and the Rigby name.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: FrankFarmer]
      #241914 - 07/02/14 02:00 PM

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LOL!
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      #241915 - 07/02/14 02:06 PM

Huvius,

Yes the barrel is too short for me too. Maybe they will offer a choice of barrel length. I think 26" is too long for a rifle in the high grass but a .375 and .416 is better with 24". However I have to say my current .375 has only a 21 or 22" barrel.

As to handling, I guess one only knows when a rifle is in your hands.

BTW NE is not receiving any benefit/payment etc out of these posts, they were posted out of interest for members only.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #241916 - 07/02/14 02:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

At am guessing on gun forums back in 1905 - maybe the round table at the gun club = similar comments were made, "Hell I would buy a no name easily forgotten Mauser 98 rifle for £7 intead of that ridiculous Rigby for £12! How can they justify such a price!!!"

Yet the same rifles are held in esteem today.



Better yet: Going by the Manton, Calcutta 1925 catalog a .275 Rigby No.2 rifle was Rs. 750.-, while a .275 B Mauser, barreled action at least made by the same people on the same machines, using the same ammo, was offered at a mere Rs. 175.-. That's a 328% increase for the Rigby name and finish.
Compare this with current prices: Frankonia lists the CZ 550 Safari Classic at € 3299.-, while the Rigby is listed above at € 9270.-. That's a mere 181 % increase for a true Magnum Mauser action and the Rigby name.




Kudue,

Very good.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242045 - 09/02/14 11:42 AM

the barrel is 4inches shorter,plus no thumb cut , but the weight is the same for both the new rifle and the old ???,,,,the problem with RIGBY is that they are too easy to copy ,ive said it for years there is not much to the overall rifle outside of the barrel i think they at least got the barrel to look right tho i would want at least 24 if not the original 26 and yes the flag saftey is nice ..paul

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: pjaln]
      #242062 - 09/02/14 10:16 PM

First, I see nothing arrogant wrt Mon. Dorleac's comments. They seem spot on to me and my eyes. Though we've never met, his observations on here and descriptions of his work along with the photos give evidence of his knowledge.

My observations about the subject rifles- everything seems out of proportion and I agree with others, with all the hullabaloo of 'Old Rigby', why couldn't they have just copied an original? Other than a higher/straighter combed stock for more common scope usage these days, nothing really to change. I noted the mid barrel short step taper. I haven't handled a pre-war .416 in awhile but I don't recall that being a Rigby characteristic- more Jeffery. One would think that the traditional Rigby barrel flat could be easily achieved with modern machinery. Overall, I feel disappointed in what is being marketed as a Rigby. (Still MUCH better than the Cal. Rigbys- gag!)


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      #242138 - 10/02/14 10:19 PM

They could have only followed the clean lines of their pre-war rifles, no less, no more !

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      #242139 - 10/02/14 10:32 PM

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      #242140 - 10/02/14 10:36 PM

Know there's a fine rifle with graceful lines.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242159 - 11/02/14 02:45 AM



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John Rigby & Co.:
Original pre-1940 Rigby .416 built on the magnum Mauser action. This is one of two we are working from in the development of the 'Big Game' model.






Comparison.


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John Rigby & Co. The comb shall be a higher for better recoil management and the stock a little sturdier. Many of these early rifles broke through the hand. Our new rifles will feature much higher grade wood and as such we must be sure of strength and reliability.




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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242194 - 11/02/14 08:03 AM

John: Thanks for the side by side. To my eye, there is a major aesthetic difference between the two. I'll take the original please.

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      #242207 - 11/02/14 01:23 PM

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John: Thanks for the side by side. To my eye, there is a major aesthetic difference between the two.




My first thought was...Rigby makes a pretty nice 505 Gibbs...

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: dons]
      #242210 - 11/02/14 01:41 PM

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John: Thanks for the side by side. To my eye, there is a major aesthetic difference between the two. I'll take the original please.




I think the new photo is slightly larger but that makes the differences bigger too.

Sometimes the 5% of differences can make a lot of difference to the eye. A longer barrel and a slightly slimmer fore-end perhaps shorter fore-end (?) and less curve to the grip would do most of it.

At least for those interested in a Rigby amd can't source vintage models, there is now a source of newly made ones for hunters to buy and use.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242211 - 11/02/14 02:10 PM

To my eye the barrel on the new on looks heavier. The old one looks to have taper to the swivel band where as the new one runs fairly straight to this point. This coupled with a shorter barrel makes the rifle look more bulky. I think a longer more tapered barrel would go along way to looking more like the original.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Claydog]
      #242213 - 11/02/14 02:44 PM

A pity they don't move the back sight forward to account for aging eyesight of any customers

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      #242216 - 11/02/14 02:59 PM

For whatever it might be worth, I'm glad to see the marque resurrected. I would anticipate that the rifles will evolve over time.

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      #242219 - 11/02/14 04:36 PM

Kamilaroi I hear you.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Claydog]
      #242227 - 11/02/14 07:18 PM

Will post picture of pre war 416.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ahmed577]
      #242248 - 12/02/14 06:33 AM

i hope whoever has the company 100 years from now doesnt chop 4 more inches of the barrel ,in 300 years they,ll be pistols!!...........paul

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: pjaln]
      #242249 - 12/02/14 07:00 AM

IMO the balance and usability are more consequential things than four inches in rifles outfit.

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      #242250 - 12/02/14 07:00 AM

A 416 Rigby handgun. That would be fun to shoot.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #242307 - 13/02/14 09:36 AM

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They could have only followed the clean lines of their pre-war rifles, no less, no more !

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DORLEAC,here you are comparing apples with pears.The Rigby you show here is a typical .350 Rifby, either a late .400-.350 or a .350 Rigby. Many of these were later rebored to .375 H&H, some even to .416. As I wrote above, Rigby .350s were much slimmer and elegant than their .416s.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #242330 - 13/02/14 06:25 PM

Having seen 2 of the above that were the property of Warren A. they are very nice but the current theme might transcend in a 416 with some weight in first portion of the barrel (a la Jeffrey) and some lead in the stock.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242335 - 13/02/14 08:27 PM



All

Please let me give you my opinion of the BIG GAME model.

I have taken the chance and visited the booth of Rigby at the Jagd & Hund show in Dortmund Germany, last week.
The booth was located in the hall 7, where most of the outfitters had there booth too. Directly located opposite of the Blaser safaris booth the Rigby booth (E62) was special as it had a tent and an old Land Rover (I am no LR expert) Model I.
I spend some time at the booth having the pleasure to talk with Patricia Pugh, the financial director of Rigby and to those familiar with Rigby history, a lady which is associated with Rigby since the time it belongs to Paul Roberts.

Rigby is currently offering two different Models of magazine rifles, the “BIG GAME” and the “THE LONDON BEST” .
Both are available in two variants, as single square bridge for open sight and double square bridge for scope mount.
Based on what I was told, THE LONDON BEST is build in the UK as a custom rifle, while the BIG GAME is coming from Germany with very limited options possible.

The BIG GAME model is build as single square bridge in .416” & 450” Rigby calibres both having a barrel length of 22” with the typical Rigby contoured barrel weighing unloaded as per catalogue 10lb 8oz.
The double square bridge model is available in .357” H&H & .416 ”Rigby calibre with a 24” lightweight barrels. The weight of that variant is 10lb, again as per catalogue.

I had the privilege to handle all available models (no .450 Rigby at the booth) and to say the least I was major disappointed with the quality level of the BIG GAME model.

1. The gap at the barrel between the front sight sleeve and the barrel side and also at the muzzle reminds me of cheap monoblock shotguns.
2. The short barrelled .416” where out of balance and where back heavy. Again no .450” available at the Dortmund show, I had been explained that those where currently all in the US, so I could not check if they are in better balance.
3. The checkering of the stock was not too precise.
4. Overall the finish and little engraving (lettering) was very basic
5. The gap with the round polished corners at the hinge of the magazine floor plate is also not of too great workmanship.

In my opinion and expectations even for a working gun at those price level (nearly 9.300 Euro) you can expect more, as this shows to me lack of quality I detail work. I beleave with a few hours more detail work those flaws could be easely adjusted!

Of course THE LONDON BEST has none of these flaws, but at about two and a half time of the price!

Joel,
Based on what I was told from Mrs Pugh, they are not using anymore the actions from Gotfried Prechtl.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #242340 - 13/02/14 11:21 PM


You are right Axel...but I prefer the old apples to the new pears !
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #242343 - 14/02/14 12:41 AM

Thank you for the report Robert.
That is exactly what I had been told by others whom have handled the Big Game model.
Lets all hope they get the QC issues rectified on that model. From what I heard, those issues didn't keep lots of people from ordering them though.

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      #242362 - 14/02/14 05:31 AM



On of their "London Best" rifles under construction, for comparison.

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A London Best .275 Rigby rifle we are currently making for one of our lady clients. It has been constructed in the pre-war design and is due for completion by Easter.




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      #242532 - 17/02/14 02:47 AM

I also looked at and handled the rifles at the SCI show in Vegas and while I am glad to see the direction they are heading, they are not there yet. Maybe if they could attract some historically knowledgable and talented smiths like Jeffery has in Reto Buehler and James Tucker they might be able to gap that final 5% difference that separates a nice rifle from a great one.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #243569 - 10/03/14 03:22 AM

I write that short comment from Nuremberg where I attend IWA International Gun Fair.
I had the opportunity to have a close examination at the new RIGBY "Big Game" offered by the Blaser-Mauser-Sauer group.
To say the least I was extremely disappointed by the general fit and finish of such a pricey production rifle.
I had a friendly discussion with Axel "Kuduae" and even if I know how he is a fierce defender of the German gun trade, I can't explain how such a great company, having on hand some well preserved Rigby "Big Game" rifles of the glorious past, was unable to capture the spirit that make that name a legend.
It's not only a problem of stock or barrel length, no, the trouble is that the newly made rifles appears as an "imitation" –in the bad sense of that word- of the old one.
The stock would have been much more elegant if they had took the pain to study the shape of the grip and its transition to the but, even with a straighter comb.
As to the barrel, it's not only too short, ruining the overall balance of the lines, but it's its taper that isn't fine…and I don't speak about the ill fitted band swivel that's not conical and appears like having been added too late.
The front sight would have been acceptable without its regulating allen screw and the too visible join…
For the action, it's no better than the Prechtl Golmatic and to my eyes not as good as the ones produced by FZH or Medwell & Perrett "Mayfair Enginering"
I will not discuss here about their "London Best" custom rifles that is from another planet, but I'm saddened to see the "RIGBY" name used only as a foil for the "MAUSER" trade mark.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #243614 - 11/03/14 05:41 PM

Looked over the ones at IWA myself. Not impressed. Especially with an original .416 right beside it. I hate to say this as it is not as accurately descriptive as Dorleac's assessment but, the new ones just don't FEEL like the originals. This is besides the differences and liberties taken as pointed out above, handling the original .416 made me WANT to take it out and shoot it. The new ones just felt clubby and unbalanced. I really hate to say that as I'm glad to have the Rigby name back in decent hands but they really need to put a bit of hand work into these to get them right.
I did overhear while at the booth that some guy picked up the top end display rifle and dropped it while handling it....another of the hazards of the gun business..!


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: A10ACN]
      #243620 - 11/03/14 10:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpzi-LdQj7o

Anyone seen this vid? Thats a very nice rifle, and the fellow sounds like a true gent.
This is what i think of when i think "Rigby .416"

And a video of him hunting with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzgdhW8IYRg

A big congrats to him too for the success! Enjoy fellows.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ash]
      #243623 - 12/03/14 01:19 AM

Good find Ash.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ash]
      #243640 - 12/03/14 04:39 AM

Ash, thank you for that - very enjoyable and the rifle couldn't be sweeter.

By the way, for those who are interested, there is an original pre-war .416 Rigby in the James Julia sale tomorrow March 12. There is also a .350 and a .275. I have a prewar .416, but I'd go for the one in the sale as well if not for the need to exercise a little restraint!

The second video has me thinking about whether it's possible (affordable) to purchase a few hundred acre ranch in a place like Zambia. Probably not.....


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: mckinney]
      #243646 - 12/03/14 07:51 AM

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3375-358/

The .416 mentioned above (I think).

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3377-358/

The .350

Can't find the .275


*In no way affiliated with the owners or James D. Julia.


Must say: I love the way they heavily tapered the barrels on those .416's.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ash]
      #243650 - 12/03/14 08:21 AM

Third rigby in 7x57 a.k.a. .275 Rigby:

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3376-358/

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #243687 - 12/03/14 09:08 PM

Quote:

Igorrock,

I'm sorry if you have misunderstood my comment.
It is not French arrogance, but disappointment. I know very well the newly made 98' Mauser magnum rifles and even the team of gunsmiths that assembles them and I'm a fan - and a friend customer- of Gottfried Prechtl who pioneered the European modern made Mauser clones, but I was naοve in thinking that the Blaser-Sauer-Mauser group, having all the good cards in hand will produce a true modernized Rigby.
I regret that they settle for a slightly revamped Mauser magnum, using the same stock shape, shortened barrel and a front sight block that uses the spring and Allen screw adjustable bead tof their mod.03/12…
The short rib is reminiscent of the ones find on the late .416 and it's not out of place even if I would have preferred the traditional Rigby flat, but what bothers me is the too close grip coupled with that short barrel and long forearm…that is only my opinion and don't put in doubt the overall quality and reliability of the new rifle.
Notice also that when you write that "you never have anything positive to say about yours rival endeavours" you certainly have not read my posts.
I don't consider others gunsmiths as "rivals" but as friends and I have learned many good things from D'Arcy Echols, Steven Dodd Hughes and many others like my old master Lenard Brownell…my aim is to try to improve each of my work because I think I can do it better.
All the best.

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Indeed.
Funny that you should mention Lenard Brownell Joel.

IN MEMORIUM: LEN BROWNELL, 1922-1982

Len Brownell was an artist, craftsman and a perfectionist. But more importantly, he was a good-hearted man who wanted to see things go better for everyone. The following piece I wrote about him several years ago.

Len Brownell was a Wyoming man. He grew up on the fringe of modern civilization in a half-wild, sparsely populated region where life was hard, but living as an adventure. From boyhood he lived where game was thick, guns were commonplace, and everyone there lived close to the land.
Maybe you're familiar with this bit of firearms folklore; about some supposedly famous custom gunstock-maker who made his first gunstock with nothing but a jackknife? A lonely, homesick, young soldier, so the story goes, sitting around the barracks who wiles away the hours -doing the whole job with only that one tool? Well, it might sound like some fanciful story, but it really happened, and Len Brownell is the one who did it. It was a buttstock for a single barrel shotgun, and he didn't even have any sandpaper--he used the H.L.P. blade as a scraper to smooth the surface of the stockwood.
Len Brownell went home to Wyoming and he continued to build gunstocks. Only a very few, and only part-time at first, but little by little, his reputation grew. He got better and better. Things really began to change for Len when prominent members of the shooting press--men like Pete Brown and Jack O'Connor--heard about him and began to bring custom gun projects of their own for him to complete. Soon they were touting him in their writing and Len's reputation spread nationwide among shooters everywhere.
It is my honest belief that no custom gunstockmaker who ever lived has turned down more offers of stocking jobs than Len Brownell. It was unbelievable. really. But the notoriety affected him not at all. Len just continued to work in his shop. He built them one at a time, and over the years he helped to move the state of the art ahead in this country so that custom guns in America could compare--both quality-wise and aesthetically--with the finest that were built anywhere in the world.
Please believe me when I tell you that whoever you are and whatever might be your station in life, if you sought out Len Brownell at his home and knocked on his door he would invite you in, he would offer you a cold drink or cup of coffee, and he would converse until it seemed like you were old friends. He was a likeable and personable man. He was highly opinionated about all kinds of things, but he was someone you could disagree with without getting angry. He was a plain spoken man who lived by a simple code. Tell the truth. Keep your word. Do your best. Be someone others can depend on.
Len's career took a turn when he was invited by Bill Ruger himself to come and work for Ruger Firearms in Connecticut and New Hampshire. He is widely credited with having made important contributions to the development of the Ruger No. 1, and changes made in the Model 77. Len was proud of his effort there, but his feelings were mixed. He was somewhat uncomfortable in a corporate environment where everyone has to compromise. He also missed the West. So, again he went back home to Wyoming. His departure from Ruger was an amicable one. He stayed on friendly terms with the Ruger family, and he always spoke most highly of them.
The experience he gained back east had its impact on his work. Len installed a large state-of-the-art milling machine in his shop and he started doing more sophisticated metalwork. If a custom gun is a marriage of wood to metal then Len Brownell raised it to an entirely new level of intimacy, because he built some guns that were truly extraordinary. Like bolt-action rifles with rear-tang safety, finger-lever release scope mounts, flip-up open sights--you name it--he could build it--and he was fast. I mean he could really turn out quality work and make it look easy.
Now the story takes another turn. Because when Len Brownell reached this plateau he encountered tremendous misfortune. It was discovered that he had cancer, and it was terminal. I regret to tell you that Len Brownell's life came to a very sad end. Life left his body only a drop a day, and he died a painful lingering death. Friends and relatives were all relieved when he finally passed away on February 23, 1982. No one should have to suffer so much. So...Len Brownell's pain has ended. He sleeps beneath a vast wind-blown prairie where deer and antelope still roam. Coyotes howl in the moonlight, and the smell of sagebrush is always in the air.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ash]
      #243709 - 13/03/14 05:55 AM

Julia auction update - the .416 Rigby went for $33K (plus commission), more than double the high estimate. The .350 and .275 went for right around the low estimates. I guess the moral is, buy the really legendary stuff.

Other items of note - a beautiful (but not embellished) Boss 28 bore O/U fetched $180K! A Thompson submachine gun with FBI association, similar to one in the upcoming Holts sale, went for $57.5K.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: mckinney]
      #243712 - 13/03/14 07:09 AM

Whoever placed an estimate of 10-15K on the 416 had no clue. One sold at a dealer for 25K about 5 years ago, so 33K is not unreasonable, especially a very early one from 1913. I placed a bid within the estimate range on the off chance that nobody else knew the proper value....fat chance.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: dons]
      #243740 - 13/03/14 07:57 PM

Don, I agree, not unreasonable although the total will push $40K with buyer's commission.

I wonder how many of the original 139 (169?) rifles survive. I would guess at least 80%. It would be fascinating to know where this particular one was every day of its life.

I also wonder where the .416s used by Taylor, Blunt, and Blixen are if they exist.

Finally, I wonder how many .350s and .400-350s were made. I don't recall ever seeing any numbers on those.


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      #243750 - 14/03/14 01:05 AM

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Quote:

John Rigby & Co.:
Original pre-1940 Rigby .416 built on the magnum Mauser action. This is one of two we are working from in the development of the 'Big Game' model.






Comparison.






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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #243754 - 14/03/14 01:21 AM

Looks like a fat bloated pig compared to the original.
The german influence is very visible, reminds me of a tarted up M03!


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Fontainebleu]
      #243758 - 14/03/14 02:33 AM

McKinney 300 member I also wonder where the old surviving guns are. I happen to own a couple of rigby rifles built in 1926 which are most dear to me. One being a 416 rifle no 5117. In my view (probably biased) it is more beautiful than any other 416 I have seen (I have only seen pictures of other old 416s). It was made for prince hamidullah khan and presented to him on his ascendancy to be the first male ruler of Bhopal in a 100years. The gun is beautifully engraved ( for the period) has exquisite wood & has given me some wonderful australian water bufaloe hunts. I am new to the world of email machines,when I learn to post pictures I will send.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ahmed577]
      #243765 - 14/03/14 03:49 AM

Gentlemen, as you think $ 33K is a fair price for an old and worn .416 Rigby rifle, what do you expect from a new made rifle with the Rigby name listed at a mere $ 13.5K?

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #243770 - 14/03/14 05:22 AM

At 13.5k with those homely looks, it has a lot of competition. But, if they could make them like the prewar rifle pictured above, and I mean exactly like it, they could sell them at 4 times that figure. If I remember correctly there is a Francotte .416 pictured in Speed's book that looks more like an original pre-war Rigby than anything else I've seen. There are also a few custom pieces around by Jack Haugh and others that are close in some ways. The Hartmann and Weiss work is nice. But nothing compares with the exquisite lines of the prewar Rigbys. (only my opinion, of course)

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: mckinney]
      #243771 - 14/03/14 05:49 AM

its true, the stock of the new rifle looks clumsy
no doubt about it

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: mckinney]
      #243773 - 14/03/14 06:29 AM

The Francotte .416 pictured in Speed's book looks like Rigby because it uses the same Oberndorf made basis.
Notice also that the Francotte Company has produced many rifles in the white for the English trade…(!) and if their Farquharson action manufacture is well known, there is little doubt about their production of bolt-action repeaters.
A good friend of mine owns such a pre WW2 .416 Francotte that’s a perfect clone of its Rigby counterpart: exactly same stock, same sights and same furniture.
If you have a look at Jon Speed “Mauser Archives” book you will find photos of .275, .350 and .416 barrelled actions in the white, complete with sights bases, flat on barrel, etc. made and proofed at Oberndorf before being delivered to the English maker who take care of the stocking and regulating before applying its name on. I’m not sure that in the thirties the Francotte C° didn’t use the same systems for their own use or to supply their partners.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #243945 - 17/03/14 07:16 PM

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John Rigby & Co.:
Original pre-1940 Rigby .416 built on the magnum Mauser action. This is one of two we are working from in the development of the 'Big Game' model.






Comparison.


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John Rigby & Co. The comb shall be a higher for better recoil management and the stock a little sturdier. Many of these early rifles broke through the hand. Our new rifles will feature much higher grade wood and as such we must be sure of strength and reliability.







I would love to know the height of the heal and comb on this new rifle.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #243954 - 18/03/14 12:46 AM

Why when most try and copy a vintage rifle do they always make the bolt handle too long? Not the knob on the original ends at the bottom of the stock. The new rigby has the knob below the edge of the stock.

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      #244855 - 02/04/14 10:38 PM



I borrowed this image because it is good and coming true.

Spoke to Mark Newton of John Rigby London tonight, and I am excited about the news from Rigby. Many of desires expressed by people on this thread will come true from the plans Rigby has.

Many have expressed the Big Game rifle is not a true vintage copy of some of the original Rigbys. That is true. The new rifle has better steel compared to some of the older rifles, the stock was made stronger to eliminate some of the problems original Rigby stocks had. Many of the vintage rifles ended up with cracked stocks, broken wrists etc. The stocks are better wood than the originals being Turkish kiln dried walnut. Yes the barrel is beefier, designed to reduce rifle whip and reaction time when shooting a .416.

The Big Game model is a Rigby working rifle, for the Professional Hunter, or the client wanting an English Mauser Magnum action rifle made for a good price. They are selling very well.

But the exciting news to many is a Vintage line of rifles will be released in the next two or three months. Some have been made already. The "Vintage" range of Rigby rifles will more closer match the vintage rifles of yesteryear, but with better wood and steel. They will be more expensive than the Big Game model but for a substantially London made Magnum bolt action rifle that is pretty much expected.

In addition Rigby also makes the "London Best" range to order. You get what you want.

And the Double Rifle Rising Bite is coming out again. Two have been made with about twenty underway. So the double rifle connoisseur will be satisfied as well. Twenty rifles is a substantial number of a rifle of this quality in the world of double rifles.

We will see more of these developments in the future months here on NitroExpress.com so stay tuned.

I think with all these developments the Old Rigby will truly be back.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #245325 - 09/04/14 11:16 PM

Quote:

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John Rigby & Co. The comb shall be a higher for better recoil management and the stock a little sturdier. Many of these early rifles broke through the hand. Our new rifles will feature much higher grade wood and as such we must be sure of strength and reliability.




I would love to know the height of the heal and comb on this new rifle.




Will try to find out.

BTW I hope to be able to report a different barrel option in due course.

Personally I'd love to have a .350 Rigby Magnum M98 with suitable barrel and stocking. Lets hope the Vintage model has some of these differences to make the difference.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #245368 - 10/04/14 03:17 AM

How hard is it to source ammo/components for such a calibre John? (in Oz)

I imagine BB would make the cases (?)

What would you personally target with a .98 350 RM?

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      #245431 - 10/04/14 07:12 PM

Bertram would have brass and Woodleigh bullets. I don't think it would be a great problem.

I've never liked the .358's. Prefered the 9,3's and the .323 to .338, but for some reason like the .350 Rigby Magnum.

What I would use it on?

1. BGRC competitions.
2. Water buffalo - should work quite well.
3. Other bovines and the like.
4. Sambar - would work well.
5. Pigs and other deer species - over gunned
6. Moose, boar etc. Would work very well.
7. Larger antelope in Africa. What it was designed for.


Bullets are 200 gr to 250 gr, and I would think there are some 300 grs around.

Your experience with the .358 Norma Magnum would say what the similar round is capable of.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #246872 - 03/05/14 12:43 AM

Gents

I was tempted to air my view on the new Rigby rifles when this thread started. I confess that I also was in agreement with Mr Dorleac etc regarding the aesthetics of specifically the "Big Game" model. But I thought that I'd rather wait for the South African Huntex show to see them in person. And so I did!

The problem the "Big Game" faces on this forum, is that we are all collectors. The Big Game was never intended for a collector (I for one didnt bear that in mind). Specifically the fat short barrel one. The professional hunters from South Africa, Zimbabwe, Zambia etc however loved it! And low-&-behold this rifle was intended for that market! A real quality shooters rifle.

The barrel is short to be carried through thick brush comfortably, and the barrel is heavy, which makes it a pleasure to shoot (Personal experience).

The "Big Game" model is a working rifle. I personally experienced a hunt this week where the Hunter carried the "Big Game" model the whole day, up and down some rough terrain comfortably.

Bear in mind that the "new" Rigby was only set up from middle last year, I think they have done well in such a short time. I am sure that they would continue working on the current rifle to smooth out the finer aesthetic details. As a business they will have to sell rifles to survive.

The "London Best" is another story for another thread. But this is a Gentleman's rifle. Rigby has sold quite a few of them in the 4days here in South Africa. They are popular. But I cant imagine a Professional Hunter carrying a "London Best" through the swamps in Mozambique


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Gen_Hicks]
      #246875 - 03/05/14 12:49 AM

Quote:

Gents

I was tempted to air my view on the new Rigby rifles when this thread started. I confess that I also was in agreement with Mr Dorleac etc regarding the aesthetics of specifically the "Big Game" model. But I thought that I'd rather wait for the South African Huntex show to see them in person. And so I did!

The problem the "Big Game" faces on this forum, is that we are all collectors. The Big Game was never intended for a collector (I for one didnt bear that in mind). Specifically the fat short barrel one. The professional hunters from South Africa, Zimbabwe, Zambia etc however loved it! And low-&-behold this rifle was intended for that market! A real quality shooters rifle.

The barrel is short to be carried through thick brush comfortably, and the barrel is heavy, which makes it a pleasure to shoot (Personal experience).

The "Big Game" model is a working rifle. I personally experienced a hunt this week where the Hunter carried the "Big Game" model the whole day, up and down some rough terrain comfortably.

Bear in mind that the "new" Rigby was only set up from middle last year, I think they have done well in such a short time. I am sure that they would continue working on the current rifle to smooth out the finer aesthetic details. As a business they will have to sell rifles to survive.

The "London Best" is another story for another thread. But this is a Gentleman's rifle. Rigby has sold quite a few of them in the 4days here in South Africa. They are popular. But I cant imagine a Professional Hunter carrying a "London Best" through the swamps in Mozambique


The new 2014 model Mini Cooper, doesnt look like the original car.....

Happy collecting and thanks to all for sharing their collections and knowledge on here. This is a great forum


As for all of us being "collectors" well I for one certainly am not. I personally detest the word ; my rifles and other weapons are for using as they were intended simple as that.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #246958 - 04/05/14 07:33 PM

I tend to agree with Gunship. I fired the "Big Game" numerous times and Rigby certainly got things right from a user's standpoint, as far as I'm concerned.

If I was in the market for a quality bolt action with a reasonable amount of cash in my pocket I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd order a "Big Game" and not look back.


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      #246978 - 05/05/14 07:46 AM

If what Rigby are offering works for someone, perfect. Give them your money - you know what works best for you, and do go out and hunt with it! That's all that matters in the end.

That said, my friend Joel's criticisms were out of a reverence for the Rigby name, and they were not intended to cut the firm down. He is a strict classicist and prefers the prewar designs exactly as they used to be. If someone wants the newer ones, I am sure he would be happy to wish them "Good Hunting," and with all happiness in his heart.

Best wishes and do invite those of your friends who have bought the new Rigbys to post here, and to participate on the forums. There's a lot of room for civilized debate and discussion, especially among hunters and gun owners with different opinions. We are all enriched by this.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #247461 - 15/05/14 06:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpdXH55af5I

The ones shown in this video (from 2013) look far less chunky. Maybe just the particular one shown in the photo was a bit of a poor choice?

The barrel taper looks pretty good to me.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ash]
      #248963 - 14/06/14 12:28 PM

I have just been in contact with Rigby in London and they are planning on a Left Hand Big Game model next year, I will definitely buy this one!! now the big sell off to finance it!

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: RLI]
      #248972 - 14/06/14 05:03 PM

Good stuff. By chance I was just in touch with Marc Newton last night.

Hoping soon for some new guns to show and other photos.



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      #248977 - 14/06/14 05:25 PM

They quoted (a David Miles I think?)about 40 left hand action orders to date , Once the new Mauser factory is complete Mauser should make Leftys next year, just have to work out what options...........I priced the basically same Mauser 98 Magnum in 416 Rigby rifle from Mialls Gunshop in Melbourne and was quoted above $20,000!! but the new Rigby about $12000 or so depending on options, its a very good price for a London Rigby and I bet these prices will not last long!

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      #248984 - 14/06/14 10:21 PM

Mialls gunshop seem to be keen on turning customers away with their prices. They obviously think that nobody uses the internet. I to priced a standard Mauser 98 once with them and the price they wanted was just stupid. I could have bought a custom made Mauser from one of the good German gunmakers using a double square bridge Mauser action by Prechtl with light scroll engraving and imported it myself for less. Whenever they place a second hand gun for sale on one of the used gun sites it stays there for sale for ever. They must be very patient. If you ever have any work done there beware. They will give you a quote and when you go to pick it up they ask for a lot more. I once had some blueing done there and the job they did was great. I supplied the rifle completely stripped and in a segmented box with a list of parts supplied, in other words easy to quote. They quoted $200 and two weeks to do it. Two months later I cracked the shits and they did it but then wanted three hundred. I would have been happy to pay $300 but not when quoted $200. I have to stick to my quotes at work that I give to customers, so should they.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #248987 - 14/06/14 11:10 PM

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Mauser 98 Magnum in 416 Rigby rifle from Mialls Gunshop in Melbourne and was quoted above $20,000!!


Same price-range here in Finland but with EUROs (20 000€ = 28,796.10 AUS$).

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      #248989 - 14/06/14 11:55 PM



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John Rigby & Co.
According to The Field Magazine rifle reviewer, Dominic Griffith, the new Rigby Big Game rifle is 'the perfect marriage of German engineering and British craftsmanship at a surprisingly moderate price'.




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      #248990 - 15/06/14 12:04 AM

Nitrox am sitting in Finland waiting to fly to london to check my guns. All that keeps me sane is this forum. Keen to check out rigby for myself.

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      #248992 - 15/06/14 12:16 AM

Ha ha, glad to be of help. Say hello to Marc Newton for me. The new Classic (if they have some ready yet) or London Best range of bespoke custom rifles may be of a lot of interest to you I think. Maybe they have a Rising Bite to look at too.

Stay sane!


PS Last year I was in Helsinki Airport and shared a smoke - well I had a small cigar while they had a cigarette each - with a couple of pretty Finnish lasses taking a break from the executive lounge desk.

I was there for about four or five hours I think, and had a close to midnight dinner, a beer, a smoke and lots of wandering around in the airport.

Also bought a couple of Norwegian wool jumpers, one for my wife, and one for me in Finland. Ha ha, was only in Norway a few weeks before.

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      #249032 - 15/06/14 12:30 PM

I called Mialls ELEVEN times trying to get prices ,availabilty of Mauser M03 barrels, each time they took my name and number and Never returned a call, Not Once !!!!!!!!!!! with that shitty attitude to their customers they dont deserve to have any ,they wont ever get any of my Effing money !

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Also bought a couple of Norwegian wool jumpers, one for my wife, and one for me in Finland.


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      #249050 - 15/06/14 09:26 PM

500Boswell, like I said, they are the arseholes of the earth. Not returning calls is a specialty of theirs, and when you complain about it after the fifth or sixth time they get quite narky. Always amazes me how a business like that can survive, however with a captive market such as firearms sales, they seem to survive without any problems.

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      #249416 - 24/06/14 09:02 PM



Not just for Africa.

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      #274584 - 05/12/15 09:47 AM



Simon Barr's .416 Rigby Big Game Rifle with his first cape buffalo. A great old dugga boy.

Excellent figure to the grain on Simon's rifle.

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      #277431 - 02/02/16 03:35 AM

some close-up pictures c/o Westley Richards used gun list http://wrusedguns.com/guns/rifles/277:
















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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #281602 - 27/04/16 12:18 PM

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For the action, it's no better than the Prechtl Golmatic and to my eyes not as good as the ones produced by
FZH or Medwell & Perrett "Mayfair Engineering"

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The actions used are actually Prechtl supplied units,
metallurgy is also different, Prechtl being a modern alloy CroMolly (as are H&W magnum mauser actions)
whereas FZH are old school by using carbon steel..I would definitely prefer the more modern alloy versions
for high intensity modern loads and chamberings.

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Original pre-war Rigby .416 magnum mausers were exclusive foreign contract Oberndorf built rifles,
the London Rigby shop then conveniently foiled over the foreign built product by engraving their own
British company name & address on the barrel.
No different to the UK companies like Daniel Frazer and Bristol-Gibbs, who imported European made
Mannlicher rifles and marked them with their own British company names.

-- and with others things like Rigbys .275 bore, all Rigby did was re-market the german 7x57 and stamped
the rifles .275 bore accordingly. The .275 bore Rigby rifles had the German made and std. original
7mm mauser spec. chamber and bore. There was never a proprietary .275 Rigby cartridge released, nor
did Rigby have made any loaded commercial ammunition marked .275 Rigby on the brass...Rigby simply over-
labelled boxes of commercial 7mm MAUSER ammunition, with a bit of paper that said Rigby .275 bore

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at Harrys rifle and admires its for its stock design and looks, be aware that it certainly didn't come from Paul Roberts
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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #281608 - 27/04/16 04:29 PM

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Simon Barr's .416 Rigby Big Game Rifle with his first cape buffalo. A great old dugga boy.

Excellent figure to the grain on Simon's rifle.




Yes never mind the rifle beautiful as it is, that animal is my kind of trophy, taken before it falls to disease, other prey or just old age, and to me that head outshines any perfect set that could easily have come off a farm. I bet that old boy didn't see a farm or fence in his life. And that bullet placement right through the shoulders just caps off what must have been a superb hunt. Sorry I'm dribbling just looking at that combination.


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      #281941 - 06/05/16 04:30 AM

.275 Rigby John?

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      #281946 - 06/05/16 05:44 AM

Probably this:

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An exquisite .275 Rigby rifle, built by London gunmaker John Rigby & Co. as a tribute to Jim Corbett, has broken records at this year’s Safari Club International Convention (SCI) selling at auction for $250,000, making it the most valuable bolt-action rifle ever sold in more than 40 years of SCI auctions.



Mr Brian and Mrs Denise Welker, winners of 250k record breaking auction.




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      #281953 - 06/05/16 09:09 AM

What a magnificent looking rifle,unfortunately there are those that will be able to nit pick it

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What a magnificent looking rifle,unfortunately there are those that will be able to nit pick it




That is one special rifle for sure. And on the second point there always seems to be ...

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      #281984 - 06/05/16 10:25 PM


Not sure if these have already been posted.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKOfTr30zF8


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      #282084 - 08/05/16 10:03 PM

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Simon Barr's .416 Rigby Big Game Rifle with his first cape buffalo. A great old dugga boy.

Excellent figure to the grain on Simon's rifle.




Are the current Mauser actions for Rigby made in Isny, or?

I think the new Mauser M98 magnum would be my preference - I never liked quarter rib on bolt guns. However, I would love to get my hands on the new Rigby Big Game version for a test.

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      #283848 - 14/06/16 08:38 AM

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. , the stock was made stronger to eliminate some of the problems original Rigby stocks had. Many of the vintage rifles ended up with cracked stocks, broken wrists etc. The stocks are better wood than the originals being Turkish kiln dried walnut. Yes the barrel is beefier, designed to reduce rifle whip and reaction time when shooting a .416.






Maybe, but it's doubtful. The beauty of the early English, especially Rigby's, stock style was that they were built to handle quickly. If you only worried about strength you might as well shape your stocks like A-Square used to !

Here is a photo of an early Rigby 416 owned by the Carr family in Zambia. It was used by both Norman and Adrian when they were PH's and is estimated to have been used on over 1000 BULL elephants ! It is obviously well worn it still servicable after over 100 years of use .



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      #283855 - 14/06/16 11:29 AM

Do we want to look at their 'beauty' or do we want to use them?

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      #283858 - 14/06/16 11:59 AM

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Do we want to look at their 'beauty' or do we want to use them?





Interesting you should bring that up




But if you can have both then why not ?

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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: eagle27]
      #283859 - 14/06/16 12:19 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Simon Barr's .416 Rigby Big Game Rifle with his first cape buffalo. A great old dugga boy.

Excellent figure to the grain on Simon's rifle.




Yes never mind the rifle beautiful as it is, that animal is my kind of trophy, taken before it falls to disease, other prey or just old age, and to me that head outshines any perfect set that could easily have come off a farm. I bet that old boy didn't see a farm or fence in his life. And that bullet placement right through the shoulders just caps off what must have been a superb hunt. Sorry I'm dribbling just looking at that combination.




Agree whole heartedly.


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      #283860 - 14/06/16 12:22 PM

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. , the stock was made stronger to eliminate some of the problems original Rigby stocks had. Many of the vintage rifles ended up with cracked stocks, broken wrists etc. The stocks are better wood than the originals being Turkish kiln dried walnut. Yes the barrel is beefier, designed to reduce rifle whip and reaction time when shooting a .416.






Maybe, but it's doubtful. The beauty of the early English, especially Rigby's, stock style was that they were built to handle quickly. If you only worried about strength you might as well shape your stocks like A-Square used to !

Here is a photo of an early Rigby 416 owned by the Carr family in Zambia. It was used by both Norman and Adrian when they were PH's and is estimated to have been used on over 1000 BULL elephants ! It is obviously well worn it still servicable after over 100 years of use .







Now that is my kind of rifle. To me that is far better looking than the Rigby special. Yep I can nit pick it. The stock timber is to ornamental in looks for me. BUT I would not knock that rifle back if they wanted to give it to me.

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      #283877 - 14/06/16 10:21 PM

Amazing people still haven't worked out the "Big Game Rifle" is a particular model of rifle. And Rigby makes classic stocks too if people order them. Plus a hell of a lot more than just the stock.

Just as moronic as people asking why "Winchester's" current model is not exactly the same as the pre-1964 models .....

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      #283878 - 14/06/16 10:23 PM

And BTW I don't believe the stock shape between the two ie classic vs modern "Modern Big Game" model makes a fucking bit of difference is the speed of handling.

The stock shape was made to the fashion of the time and the thinner stock and much shorter fore-end may actually be a hinderance in some quick handling situations ...

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      #283895 - 15/06/16 02:48 AM

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And BTW I don't believe the stock shape between the two ie classic vs modern "Modern Big Game" model makes a fucking bit of difference is the speed of handling.

The stock shape was made to the fashion of the time and the thinner stock and much shorter fore-end may actually be a hinderance in some quick handling situations ...




You are correct if you are referring to the fact that overall weight, and placement of it, affects a rifle's balance more that the stock shape and size, and its design must allow for consistant and reliable control.
But you have obviously never compared one of the massive, "modern" A-Square heavy African rifles with something like the Rigby --- or else you are built like a gorilla.
The Rigby design may be minimalistic, but it is well balanced and on the 416 it is not dainty,

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      #283896 - 15/06/16 03:15 AM

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But you have obviously never compared one of the massive, "modern" A-Square heavy African rifles with something like the Rigby --- or else you are built like a gorilla.
The Rigby design may be minimalistic, but it is well balanced and on the 416 it is not dainty,




Wouldn't touch a gross A-Square rifle with a barge pole.

Completely differenr rifle to the model of this thread and irrelevant.

The Rigby Big Game model is similar to some Mauser stocked rifles not unsurprisingly.

The classic rifles are certainly also available.

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      #283897 - 15/06/16 03:16 AM



Phil (corrected) what is your rifle pictured?

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      #283905 - 15/06/16 05:51 AM

It's Phil, and that is the 458 Winchester I built 32 years ago using a MkX bbl action, a Brown Precision stock and a lot more enthusiasm than skill. But it fits me like a glove, balances wonderfully, hasn't changed zero in 31 years, feeds slicker than wet ice and every bear I have hit with it over that time has dropped. Not that they don't occasionally get back up or need a second shot.







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      #283906 - 15/06/16 06:27 AM

Thanks Phil, brain stoppage there. Was corresponding with a Joe a few seconds before ...

The reason I asked is it appears to be similarly stocked to the Big Game standard model.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283921 - 15/06/16 09:27 AM

Quote:

And BTW I don't believe the stock shape between the two ie classic vs modern "Modern Big Game" model makes a fucking bit of difference is the speed of handling.

The stock shape was made to the fashion of the time and the thinner stock and much shorter fore-end may actually be a hinderance in some quick handling situations ...




I believe the modern stock shape is designed to be functional with a scope where as the classic Rigby and similar were designed to work with open sights. Horses for courses. My reference to the Rigby stock as to Ornamental is reference to the grain in the timber only.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Rule303]
      #284018 - 16/06/16 05:20 PM

Harry Selby modified (slimmed down ) his .416 Rigby factory stock stating it improved the rifles handling and pointability.
and used that modified stock rifle for 40yrs of his 53yr PH career.


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      #284031 - 17/06/16 12:32 AM

I have photos the Rigby Big Game Model version 3. Will post when I can. A very nice rifle. Also I need to find out what version 2 was. These are ADDITIONAL models, adding extra features and quality touches to the standard Big Game model.

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      #284059 - 17/06/16 01:17 PM

As starman said, Harry Selby claims he slimmed his 416 Rigby to improve it's handling and pointability. I am sure Harry was familiar with the Jeffery 404's that are noticibly slimmer and lighter.





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      #284062 - 17/06/16 02:26 PM

If someone really wants the closest thing to an old Rigby there are a few makers in this country that can do it, Reto Bueler and James Tucker, who now work for Jeffery and are as good as it gets. And if you really want a Rigby Expert Lon Paul is your man. Last time I was in Lon's shop he had three old stepped ring Rigby 350's he was working on. He built a Rigby style 416 that was so close that Paul Roberts was fooled ! I personally was carrying it at SCI and Paul saw me and called me over and looked at the rifle and said he could tell me within two years when it was built. I handed it to him and he was looking it over closely and I told him to look first at the name on the barrel. It was make Lon Paul, Tanglewood Guns. Paul Roberts looked it over for another five minutes and then said he wished Rigby was doing that quality of work .

Here are a couple of 416's from his shop









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      #284206 - 21/06/16 04:50 AM

Quote:

If someone really wants the closest thing to an old Rigby there are a few makers in this country that can do it, Reto Bueler and James Tucker, who now work for Jeffery and are as good as it gets. And if you really want a Rigby Expert Lon Paul is your man. Last time I was in Lon's shop he had three old stepped ring Rigby 350's he was working on. He built a Rigby style 416 that was so close that Paul Roberts was fooled ! I personally was carrying it at SCI and Paul saw me and called me over and looked at the rifle and said he could tell me within two years when it was built. I handed it to him and he was looking it over closely and I told him to look first at the name on the barrel. It was make Lon Paul, Tanglewood Guns. Paul Roberts looked it over for another five minutes and then said he wished Rigby was doing that quality of work .

Here are a couple of 416's from his shop












Really? Those looked awkwardly stocked to me. And I say UGLY.

Very bad form to be touting these other makers on this thread as well .... next time start a new thread to tout other makers ...



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      #284208 - 21/06/16 04:55 AM

One of Rigby's latest out of its London workshop, a custom "Big Game" model again in .350 Magnum.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....SID=#Post284203














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      #284447 - 25/06/16 05:58 AM


The Rigby "Big Game" Rifle.



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      #284449 - 25/06/16 06:00 AM

"Chamber Music" - The Rigby "Big Game" Rifle.



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      #287300 - 02/09/16 07:21 PM

Mr Prechtl has stated as recently as three weeks ago that he has NO involvement with the current Rigby firm. All actions for these rifles are made by the current Mauser Group. He has also stated that he has never made an action for a .350 Rigby

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      #287315 - 03/09/16 09:38 AM

I would like the 416 ,but too many $$ for my wallet ,That one on you tube[original Rigby] being tested by that fellow [cant think of his name] was MMMMMMMM !!!

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      #287317 - 03/09/16 10:45 AM

Mauser does not manufacture their actions.Prechlt actions are made by GOLmatic. Mauser used the Prechlt-GOLmatic action as well until they recently switched to FZH.

http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/system-mauser-m98-cat285.html
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      #287324 - 03/09/16 12:59 PM

Does the fzh come only with the Model 70 safety ?

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      #287347 - 04/09/16 12:52 AM

Since this is a 98 clone I believe that standard bolt sleeve and wing safety can be adapted to fit with small modification to bolt.I have seen this. How a proper 98 should look in a vintage rifle.

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      #287349 - 04/09/16 02:50 AM

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Mauser does not manufacture their actions.Prechlt actions are made by GOLmatic. Mauser used the Prechlt-GOLmatic action as well until they recently switched to FZH.

http://www.prechtl-waffen.de/system-mauser-m98-cat285.html
http://rogermgreen.com/gunmaker/fzh_new_mauser_actions.php




Rigby has supplied me with a whole bunch of photos of their London gunroom workshop, which I still have to download and post. In answer to the quite silly comments on a thread saying something like "do they even make anything" or other words to that effect.

I have to say they were quite incredulous of the idea they are not making their London Best models in their own workshop. Easy to find out by just asking them direct or visiting ... I doubt I will be forwarding such silly posts again in the future as it makes NE looks ridiculous.

Good to see the confirmation re the Prechlt Mauser action information as well.

PS I did keep a copy of the original post on the other thread, which was removed. More stuff on that removed post, than was later reposted by the member ... probably will repost it all and answer the stuff when I have time to waste ...

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      #287580 - 09/09/16 05:48 AM

On the latest under wild skies, Corbett's .275 and 450/400 take a trip back to thier old hunting grounds. Well worth watching.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: degoins]
      #317800 - 06/07/18 08:45 AM

Ok I have but one contention - that 1/4 rib. Wish they hadda done the striations like the originals. Well, at least the one I was looking at pics of had it.

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