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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #281953 - 06/05/16 09:09 AM

What a magnificent looking rifle,unfortunately there are those that will be able to nit pick it

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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #281970 - 06/05/16 02:41 PM

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What a magnificent looking rifle,unfortunately there are those that will be able to nit pick it




That is one special rifle for sure. And on the second point there always seems to be ...

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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #281984 - 06/05/16 10:25 PM


Not sure if these have already been posted.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKOfTr30zF8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWQhgfvWeH4


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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #282084 - 08/05/16 10:03 PM

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Simon Barr's .416 Rigby Big Game Rifle with his first cape buffalo. A great old dugga boy.

Excellent figure to the grain on Simon's rifle.




Are the current Mauser actions for Rigby made in Isny, or?

I think the new Mauser M98 magnum would be my preference - I never liked quarter rib on bolt guns. However, I would love to get my hands on the new Rigby Big Game version for a test.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283848 - 14/06/16 08:38 AM

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. , the stock was made stronger to eliminate some of the problems original Rigby stocks had. Many of the vintage rifles ended up with cracked stocks, broken wrists etc. The stocks are better wood than the originals being Turkish kiln dried walnut. Yes the barrel is beefier, designed to reduce rifle whip and reaction time when shooting a .416.






Maybe, but it's doubtful. The beauty of the early English, especially Rigby's, stock style was that they were built to handle quickly. If you only worried about strength you might as well shape your stocks like A-Square used to !

Here is a photo of an early Rigby 416 owned by the Carr family in Zambia. It was used by both Norman and Adrian when they were PH's and is estimated to have been used on over 1000 BULL elephants ! It is obviously well worn it still servicable after over 100 years of use .



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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #283855 - 14/06/16 11:29 AM

Do we want to look at their 'beauty' or do we want to use them?

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #283858 - 14/06/16 11:59 AM

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Do we want to look at their 'beauty' or do we want to use them?





Interesting you should bring that up




But if you can have both then why not ?

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Re: John Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: eagle27]
      #283859 - 14/06/16 12:19 PM

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Simon Barr's .416 Rigby Big Game Rifle with his first cape buffalo. A great old dugga boy.

Excellent figure to the grain on Simon's rifle.




Yes never mind the rifle beautiful as it is, that animal is my kind of trophy, taken before it falls to disease, other prey or just old age, and to me that head outshines any perfect set that could easily have come off a farm. I bet that old boy didn't see a farm or fence in his life. And that bullet placement right through the shoulders just caps off what must have been a superb hunt. Sorry I'm dribbling just looking at that combination.




Agree whole heartedly.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #283860 - 14/06/16 12:22 PM

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. , the stock was made stronger to eliminate some of the problems original Rigby stocks had. Many of the vintage rifles ended up with cracked stocks, broken wrists etc. The stocks are better wood than the originals being Turkish kiln dried walnut. Yes the barrel is beefier, designed to reduce rifle whip and reaction time when shooting a .416.






Maybe, but it's doubtful. The beauty of the early English, especially Rigby's, stock style was that they were built to handle quickly. If you only worried about strength you might as well shape your stocks like A-Square used to !

Here is a photo of an early Rigby 416 owned by the Carr family in Zambia. It was used by both Norman and Adrian when they were PH's and is estimated to have been used on over 1000 BULL elephants ! It is obviously well worn it still servicable after over 100 years of use .







Now that is my kind of rifle. To me that is far better looking than the Rigby special. Yep I can nit pick it. The stock timber is to ornamental in looks for me. BUT I would not knock that rifle back if they wanted to give it to me.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Rule303]
      #283877 - 14/06/16 10:21 PM

Amazing people still haven't worked out the "Big Game Rifle" is a particular model of rifle. And Rigby makes classic stocks too if people order them. Plus a hell of a lot more than just the stock.

Just as moronic as people asking why "Winchester's" current model is not exactly the same as the pre-1964 models .....

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283878 - 14/06/16 10:23 PM

And BTW I don't believe the stock shape between the two ie classic vs modern "Modern Big Game" model makes a fucking bit of difference is the speed of handling.

The stock shape was made to the fashion of the time and the thinner stock and much shorter fore-end may actually be a hinderance in some quick handling situations ...

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283895 - 15/06/16 02:48 AM

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And BTW I don't believe the stock shape between the two ie classic vs modern "Modern Big Game" model makes a fucking bit of difference is the speed of handling.

The stock shape was made to the fashion of the time and the thinner stock and much shorter fore-end may actually be a hinderance in some quick handling situations ...




You are correct if you are referring to the fact that overall weight, and placement of it, affects a rifle's balance more that the stock shape and size, and its design must allow for consistant and reliable control.
But you have obviously never compared one of the massive, "modern" A-Square heavy African rifles with something like the Rigby --- or else you are built like a gorilla.
The Rigby design may be minimalistic, but it is well balanced and on the 416 it is not dainty,

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #283896 - 15/06/16 03:15 AM

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But you have obviously never compared one of the massive, "modern" A-Square heavy African rifles with something like the Rigby --- or else you are built like a gorilla.
The Rigby design may be minimalistic, but it is well balanced and on the 416 it is not dainty,




Wouldn't touch a gross A-Square rifle with a barge pole.

Completely differenr rifle to the model of this thread and irrelevant.

The Rigby Big Game model is similar to some Mauser stocked rifles not unsurprisingly.

The classic rifles are certainly also available.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283897 - 15/06/16 03:16 AM



Phil (corrected) what is your rifle pictured?

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283905 - 15/06/16 05:51 AM

It's Phil, and that is the 458 Winchester I built 32 years ago using a MkX bbl action, a Brown Precision stock and a lot more enthusiasm than skill. But it fits me like a glove, balances wonderfully, hasn't changed zero in 31 years, feeds slicker than wet ice and every bear I have hit with it over that time has dropped. Not that they don't occasionally get back up or need a second shot.







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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #283906 - 15/06/16 06:27 AM

Thanks Phil, brain stoppage there. Was corresponding with a Joe a few seconds before ...

The reason I asked is it appears to be similarly stocked to the Big Game standard model.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #283921 - 15/06/16 09:27 AM

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And BTW I don't believe the stock shape between the two ie classic vs modern "Modern Big Game" model makes a fucking bit of difference is the speed of handling.

The stock shape was made to the fashion of the time and the thinner stock and much shorter fore-end may actually be a hinderance in some quick handling situations ...




I believe the modern stock shape is designed to be functional with a scope where as the classic Rigby and similar were designed to work with open sights. Horses for courses. My reference to the Rigby stock as to Ornamental is reference to the grain in the timber only.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Rule303]
      #284018 - 16/06/16 05:20 PM

Harry Selby modified (slimmed down ) his .416 Rigby factory stock stating it improved the rifles handling and pointability.
and used that modified stock rifle for 40yrs of his 53yr PH career.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: starman]
      #284031 - 17/06/16 12:32 AM

I have photos the Rigby Big Game Model version 3. Will post when I can. A very nice rifle. Also I need to find out what version 2 was. These are ADDITIONAL models, adding extra features and quality touches to the standard Big Game model.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #284059 - 17/06/16 01:17 PM

As starman said, Harry Selby claims he slimmed his 416 Rigby to improve it's handling and pointability. I am sure Harry was familiar with the Jeffery 404's that are noticibly slimmer and lighter.





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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #284062 - 17/06/16 02:26 PM

If someone really wants the closest thing to an old Rigby there are a few makers in this country that can do it, Reto Bueler and James Tucker, who now work for Jeffery and are as good as it gets. And if you really want a Rigby Expert Lon Paul is your man. Last time I was in Lon's shop he had three old stepped ring Rigby 350's he was working on. He built a Rigby style 416 that was so close that Paul Roberts was fooled ! I personally was carrying it at SCI and Paul saw me and called me over and looked at the rifle and said he could tell me within two years when it was built. I handed it to him and he was looking it over closely and I told him to look first at the name on the barrel. It was make Lon Paul, Tanglewood Guns. Paul Roberts looked it over for another five minutes and then said he wished Rigby was doing that quality of work .

Here are a couple of 416's from his shop









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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: 458Win]
      #284206 - 21/06/16 04:50 AM

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If someone really wants the closest thing to an old Rigby there are a few makers in this country that can do it, Reto Bueler and James Tucker, who now work for Jeffery and are as good as it gets. And if you really want a Rigby Expert Lon Paul is your man. Last time I was in Lon's shop he had three old stepped ring Rigby 350's he was working on. He built a Rigby style 416 that was so close that Paul Roberts was fooled ! I personally was carrying it at SCI and Paul saw me and called me over and looked at the rifle and said he could tell me within two years when it was built. I handed it to him and he was looking it over closely and I told him to look first at the name on the barrel. It was make Lon Paul, Tanglewood Guns. Paul Roberts looked it over for another five minutes and then said he wished Rigby was doing that quality of work .

Here are a couple of 416's from his shop












Really? Those looked awkwardly stocked to me. And I say UGLY.

Very bad form to be touting these other makers on this thread as well .... next time start a new thread to tout other makers ...



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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #284208 - 21/06/16 04:55 AM

One of Rigby's latest out of its London workshop, a custom "Big Game" model again in .350 Magnum.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....SID=#Post284203














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      #284447 - 25/06/16 05:58 AM


The Rigby "Big Game" Rifle.



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      #284449 - 25/06/16 06:00 AM

"Chamber Music" - The Rigby "Big Game" Rifle.



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