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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #241916 - 07/02/14 02:08 PM

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At am guessing on gun forums back in 1905 - maybe the round table at the gun club = similar comments were made, "Hell I would buy a no name easily forgotten Mauser 98 rifle for £7 intead of that ridiculous Rigby for £12! How can they justify such a price!!!"

Yet the same rifles are held in esteem today.



Better yet: Going by the Manton, Calcutta 1925 catalog a .275 Rigby No.2 rifle was Rs. 750.-, while a .275 B Mauser, barreled action at least made by the same people on the same machines, using the same ammo, was offered at a mere Rs. 175.-. That's a 328% increase for the Rigby name and finish.
Compare this with current prices: Frankonia lists the CZ 550 Safari Classic at € 3299.-, while the Rigby is listed above at € 9270.-. That's a mere 181 % increase for a true Magnum Mauser action and the Rigby name.




Kudue,

Very good.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242045 - 09/02/14 11:42 AM

the barrel is 4inches shorter,plus no thumb cut , but the weight is the same for both the new rifle and the old ???,,,,the problem with RIGBY is that they are too easy to copy ,ive said it for years there is not much to the overall rifle outside of the barrel i think they at least got the barrel to look right tho i would want at least 24 if not the original 26 and yes the flag saftey is nice ..paul

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: pjaln]
      #242062 - 09/02/14 10:16 PM

First, I see nothing arrogant wrt Mon. Dorleac's comments. They seem spot on to me and my eyes. Though we've never met, his observations on here and descriptions of his work along with the photos give evidence of his knowledge.

My observations about the subject rifles- everything seems out of proportion and I agree with others, with all the hullabaloo of 'Old Rigby', why couldn't they have just copied an original? Other than a higher/straighter combed stock for more common scope usage these days, nothing really to change. I noted the mid barrel short step taper. I haven't handled a pre-war .416 in awhile but I don't recall that being a Rigby characteristic- more Jeffery. One would think that the traditional Rigby barrel flat could be easily achieved with modern machinery. Overall, I feel disappointed in what is being marketed as a Rigby. (Still MUCH better than the Cal. Rigbys- gag!)


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: A10ACN]
      #242077 - 10/02/14 02:40 AM



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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242138 - 10/02/14 10:19 PM

They could have only followed the clean lines of their pre-war rifles, no less, no more !

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #242139 - 10/02/14 10:32 PM

fully agreed
sometimes the easy things are too difficult

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #242140 - 10/02/14 10:36 PM

Know there's a fine rifle with graceful lines.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Rigby350]
      #242157 - 11/02/14 02:21 AM





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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242159 - 11/02/14 02:45 AM



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John Rigby & Co.:
Original pre-1940 Rigby .416 built on the magnum Mauser action. This is one of two we are working from in the development of the 'Big Game' model.






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John Rigby & Co. The comb shall be a higher for better recoil management and the stock a little sturdier. Many of these early rifles broke through the hand. Our new rifles will feature much higher grade wood and as such we must be sure of strength and reliability.




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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242194 - 11/02/14 08:03 AM

John: Thanks for the side by side. To my eye, there is a major aesthetic difference between the two. I'll take the original please.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: dons]
      #242207 - 11/02/14 01:23 PM

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John: Thanks for the side by side. To my eye, there is a major aesthetic difference between the two.




My first thought was...Rigby makes a pretty nice 505 Gibbs...

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: dons]
      #242210 - 11/02/14 01:41 PM

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John: Thanks for the side by side. To my eye, there is a major aesthetic difference between the two. I'll take the original please.




I think the new photo is slightly larger but that makes the differences bigger too.

Sometimes the 5% of differences can make a lot of difference to the eye. A longer barrel and a slightly slimmer fore-end perhaps shorter fore-end (?) and less curve to the grip would do most of it.

At least for those interested in a Rigby amd can't source vintage models, there is now a source of newly made ones for hunters to buy and use.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242211 - 11/02/14 02:10 PM

To my eye the barrel on the new on looks heavier. The old one looks to have taper to the swivel band where as the new one runs fairly straight to this point. This coupled with a shorter barrel makes the rifle look more bulky. I think a longer more tapered barrel would go along way to looking more like the original.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Claydog]
      #242213 - 11/02/14 02:44 PM

A pity they don't move the back sight forward to account for aging eyesight of any customers

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
      #242216 - 11/02/14 02:59 PM

For whatever it might be worth, I'm glad to see the marque resurrected. I would anticipate that the rifles will evolve over time.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Nailcreek]
      #242219 - 11/02/14 04:36 PM

Kamilaroi I hear you.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Claydog]
      #242227 - 11/02/14 07:18 PM

Will post picture of pre war 416.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: Ahmed577]
      #242248 - 12/02/14 06:33 AM

i hope whoever has the company 100 years from now doesnt chop 4 more inches of the barrel ,in 300 years they,ll be pistols!!...........paul

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: pjaln]
      #242249 - 12/02/14 07:00 AM

IMO the balance and usability are more consequential things than four inches in rifles outfit.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: pjaln]
      #242250 - 12/02/14 07:00 AM

A 416 Rigby handgun. That would be fun to shoot.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #242307 - 13/02/14 09:36 AM

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They could have only followed the clean lines of their pre-war rifles, no less, no more !

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DORLEAC,here you are comparing apples with pears.The Rigby you show here is a typical .350 Rifby, either a late .400-.350 or a .350 Rigby. Many of these were later rebored to .375 H&H, some even to .416. As I wrote above, Rigby .350s were much slimmer and elegant than their .416s.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #242330 - 13/02/14 06:25 PM

Having seen 2 of the above that were the property of Warren A. they are very nice but the current theme might transcend in a 416 with some weight in first portion of the barrel (a la Jeffrey) and some lead in the stock.

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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #242335 - 13/02/14 08:27 PM



All

Please let me give you my opinion of the BIG GAME model.

I have taken the chance and visited the booth of Rigby at the Jagd & Hund show in Dortmund Germany, last week.
The booth was located in the hall 7, where most of the outfitters had there booth too. Directly located opposite of the Blaser safaris booth the Rigby booth (E62) was special as it had a tent and an old Land Rover (I am no LR expert) Model I.
I spend some time at the booth having the pleasure to talk with Patricia Pugh, the financial director of Rigby and to those familiar with Rigby history, a lady which is associated with Rigby since the time it belongs to Paul Roberts.

Rigby is currently offering two different Models of magazine rifles, the “BIG GAME” and the “THE LONDON BEST” .
Both are available in two variants, as single square bridge for open sight and double square bridge for scope mount.
Based on what I was told, THE LONDON BEST is build in the UK as a custom rifle, while the BIG GAME is coming from Germany with very limited options possible.

The BIG GAME model is build as single square bridge in .416” & 450” Rigby calibres both having a barrel length of 22” with the typical Rigby contoured barrel weighing unloaded as per catalogue 10lb 8oz.
The double square bridge model is available in .357” H&H & .416 ”Rigby calibre with a 24” lightweight barrels. The weight of that variant is 10lb, again as per catalogue.

I had the privilege to handle all available models (no .450 Rigby at the booth) and to say the least I was major disappointed with the quality level of the BIG GAME model.

1. The gap at the barrel between the front sight sleeve and the barrel side and also at the muzzle reminds me of cheap monoblock shotguns.
2. The short barrelled .416” where out of balance and where back heavy. Again no .450” available at the Dortmund show, I had been explained that those where currently all in the US, so I could not check if they are in better balance.
3. The checkering of the stock was not too precise.
4. Overall the finish and little engraving (lettering) was very basic
5. The gap with the round polished corners at the hinge of the magazine floor plate is also not of too great workmanship.

In my opinion and expectations even for a working gun at those price level (nearly 9.300 Euro) you can expect more, as this shows to me lack of quality I detail work. I beleave with a few hours more detail work those flaws could be easely adjusted!

Of course THE LONDON BEST has none of these flaws, but at about two and a half time of the price!

Joel,
Based on what I was told from Mrs Pugh, they are not using anymore the actions from Gotfried Prechtl.


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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: kuduae]
      #242340 - 13/02/14 11:21 PM


You are right Axel...but I prefer the old apples to the new pears !
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Re: J. Rigby & Co with Mauser creates – The Big Game Rifle [Re: DORLEAC]
      #242343 - 14/02/14 12:41 AM

Thank you for the report Robert.
That is exactly what I had been told by others whom have handled the Big Game model.
Lets all hope they get the QC issues rectified on that model. From what I heard, those issues didn't keep lots of people from ordering them though.

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