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Mauser rifles at auctions
      #222536 - 30/12/12 07:04 AM

instead of open a new thread every time I think we could use this in the future to make the members aware of original mausers in aution wherever it is













Zivilmauser 98er , Kaliber 9,3x62
length 111cm, barrel 60cm
original a 9,3x57, rechambered to 9,3x62 in the 1980s and new proof
pistol grip cap is missing, 98% blueing
the stock behind the cheek piece have a hole 50x30x2mm probably for some kind of badge and a break on the barrel
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4177805

serial number looks like 83848

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #222549 - 30/12/12 10:50 AM

original a 9,3x57, rechambered to 9,3x62 in the 1980s and new proof

damn shame, the 9.3x57 is a rare chambering.
What happened to the charger guide?


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Kebco]
      #222592 - 31/12/12 02:20 AM

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...What happened to the charger guide?




Looks like it once had a scope mount on the action and has had the holes filled in. That is the only reason for a rear bridge to be modified that I can think of.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #222594 - 31/12/12 04:26 AM

Not in auction but interesting and IMO cheap anyway (3900 SEK = 600 USD):

http://www.kjellsvapen.se/index.php?option=com_portfolio&id=1087&view=item



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #222631 - 31/12/12 01:58 PM

I think lancaster has thought up a truly sick thread. One to make us non-European based members truly green and sick with the show-casted Mausers at auction.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #222640 - 31/12/12 03:13 PM

Quote:

Not in auction but interesting and IMO cheap anyway (3900 SEK = 600 USD):

http://www.kjellsvapen.se/index.php?option=com_portfolio&id=1087&view=item






its necessary to see better pics dont you think so? could be a good one

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #222647 - 31/12/12 05:33 PM

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its necessary to see better pics dont you think so?


I´ll be sure they send some if you ask. The sights looks correct and barrel seems to be octagonal ro round. Stock could have some issues...

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #222679 - 01/01/13 11:19 AM

Looks like the stock is Characteristic Mauser checkering from a distance. I don't see anything incorrect from this one photo.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: deepwoods]
      #222857 - 04/01/13 06:33 AM

Here is one (IMO quite funny) 10,75x68 Ceco Mauser in Sweden.

http://www.blocket.se/vasternorrland/Diverse_ovanligare_jaktgevar_44647633.htm?ca=3&w=3

"Mauser 98, kaliber 10,75x68
Oborrad låda.Lådans överdel har en form av punshing för att minska reflexer.
Om man kikar vad stämplarna säger så är det bland annat följande:
10,3mm - nominell kaliber över bommarna
9.27 - troligen september 1927
St.m.G - stålmantlad kula (provtryckt med)
23gr - kulvikt (provtryckt med)
Tror det är en ombyggd armebössa från Geco, är inte säker.
Pipan verkar vara en omdragen originalpipa.
Siktet är från Gew.98
Kolven har en lagning.
Pris: 1500 SEK"



Mauser 98, Caliber 10.75x68
Undrilled frame. Frame has form of punshing to reduce glare.
If peeks what stamps says it is including the following:
10.3 mm - bullet diameter
9.27 - probably in September 1927
St.m.G - steeljacket bullet (pressure tested with)
23gr - bullet weight (pressure tested with)
Think it is a converted army rifle from Geco, I´m not sure.
The barrel seems to be a redrilled original.
The sights are from Gew.98
The stock has one repairing.
Price: 1500 SEK (= ~230 US$)





















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #222865 - 04/01/13 10:36 AM

Now THAT last one's a decent price. Here, 9x57 and 9.3x62 Mauser M98 commercial rifles run $275.00 to $400.00 depending on condition.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #222878 - 04/01/13 05:40 PM

one of the most strange looking mauser rifles I have ever seen with the lange Visier. looks more like a bubba job to me. I wonder about the barrel thickness on the muzzle when this was an original 8 mm barrel rebored to 10,75mm.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #222885 - 04/01/13 07:34 PM

It could be much better if little pimped...:D





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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #222901 - 05/01/13 01:03 AM

he, what happen? do you made the second pic with photoshop?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #222912 - 05/01/13 05:48 AM

Yes I did.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #222951 - 05/01/13 03:55 PM

I just added two fotos of barrels muzzle to the original post.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #223015 - 06/01/13 09:34 PM

a rare post war 1956 made .425NE by westley richards
http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx...&GunID=2262

a very basic PH rifle compared with the best made 425 mauser rifles by WR. overpriced with 8900 $... I would say not more than 4900$ but anyone as he like. wonder if this have the common double row magazin without the original clips.

Westley Richards & Co. London: A Westley Richards PH Model 425 Westley Richards Magnum Bolt Rifle Made About 1956 on a FN Commercial Mauser Action, The action never drilled or tapped, Mauser trigger, Extended deep magazine box with an outside button release for the floorplate, A 26" barrel with an island sight with 1 fixed standing blade, Island front sight with a sight protector, Proved at 18.5 tons, Forend tiedown with a barrel lug, Open sight sporter stock, Wrap around point pattern checkering, No cheekpiece, 13 7/8" LOP over a 7/8" Silvers pad, 9 Lbs. 6 oz., A steel inset and inletted crossbolt at the front recoil lug that doesn't show on the outside, This piece with original blue that still remains at 82-84%, The stock has been oiled but I don't believe sanded & it remains 92%, The checkering at 95%, The bore is very good plus with sharp rifling the entire way. This cartridge is a serious big game cartridge using a 410 grain bullet. This piece comes with loading dies, cases and plenty of bullets.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #223068 - 07/01/13 02:00 PM

Regarding the first posting of the model b in 9.3X62 with full octagon barrel-notice that there is not a serial number on the barrel-I have one similar in 9X57 with no serial number on the barrel but is inscribed with the customary "Waffenfabrik Mauser" on the barrel rib. Caliber stamping on top of the barrel in front of the ring. Anyone else have one similar without the serial number on the barrel? Speed's book has it seems only a few pictures of full octagon barrels and they do seem to have the serial number on the barrel.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: deepwoods]
      #223852 - 18/01/13 04:11 PM

Very nice .400/350 Rigby for a person who wants classic rifle (restored) for hunting purposes:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4221957





































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #224255 - 25/01/13 02:39 AM

Mauser 71 hunting rifle in 11,15x60R
some small parts missing but a nice project http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4231626#img











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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #224311 - 26/01/13 06:45 AM

A project Hyem. Could use a DE-American-izing

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327140796

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #224312 - 26/01/13 06:46 AM

A Kettner in .30'06 with full length rib.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326686992

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #224404 - 28/01/13 09:52 AM

Here's a 10.75x68 Original Oberndorf Mauser model A on a local auction site

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/rifles/auction-556391674.htm

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: shamus]
      #224407 - 28/01/13 10:23 AM

Nice find Shamus. Priced very well ( for my checkbook ) for a model A.
Refinished or not (I prefer the look of casper50's 404) I like it.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #224409 - 28/01/13 01:12 PM

yes, looks very good
















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #224438 - 29/01/13 12:26 PM

"guild" ..... Looks like some of the post Vietnam era GI bring backs, we would see from Germany.

A late friend had a minds-eye similar .270 from a local maker when he was at Nachrichten Kaserne Hospital




http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327107972

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #224653 - 03/02/13 02:02 AM

IMO very nice Army & Navy .375 H&H

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4248407











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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #224696 - 03/02/13 10:03 PM

looks good to me

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #224977 - 08/02/13 03:28 PM

Stutzen by Heinrich Barella/Berlin in 9,3x62, made around 1925



















http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4058067

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #224995 - 09/02/13 05:50 AM

A new one but IMO quite nice

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4247934



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #225061 - 10/02/13 08:41 AM

6.5x55 pre-War Husqvarna

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328905003

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #225064 - 10/02/13 10:42 AM

Those m96 Swede Mausers are cheap as dirt here in Finland and Sweden but I do not care any of them if I could buy any m98 Husqvarna instead.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #225081 - 10/02/13 09:06 PM

allways safe the pics

no doubt a sporter, pre or early post war very unusual with the teutonic Bäckchen on the stock





































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #225221 - 13/02/13 04:06 PM

remarkable
you would not believe they had time to made such a stutzen then



Stutzen in 7x64 with a Zeiss Ziel 6 on claw mount by Waffenwerke Brünn, czech proofed in 1943
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4255973

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #225524 - 19/02/13 02:04 AM

Wilhelm Brenneke/Berlin 9,3x64
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4273168
























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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #225530 - 19/02/13 03:59 AM

Very nice, only triggerguard-magazine -housing looks kind of cheap.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #225647 - 21/02/13 02:30 AM

A friend of mine has an Oberndorf square bridge sporter on Gunbroker as auction #329590778. Sorry, I didn't have any luck posting the link for it. -------------- GeezerD

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #225652 - 21/02/13 02:56 AM

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remarkable
you would not believe they had time to made such a stutzen then





This is double interesting since it appears to have all the features of a BRNO 21F carbine, except that the barrel is 60 cm (24") long, which I would think would be the minimum for an ear drum burster like the 7X64.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: GeezerD]
      #225654 - 21/02/13 03:15 AM

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A friend of mine has an Oberndorf square bridge sporter on Gunbroker as auction #329590778. Sorry, I didn't have any luck posting the link for it. -------------- GeezerD




http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=329590778

I think your friend's starting price is a little optimistic, considered that the rifle has been rebarrelled to a screamingly non-German caliber.

Also, referring to the rifle as otherwise original is a little much, considering the dovetail cut in the receiver ring to accomodate the claw mount base.

The claw mount itself is interesting, but I think that finding rings to match the bases would be quite difficult, aside from the misssing lever on the rear (square bridge) base.

That said, it would certainly be an interesting rifle to play with.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #225656 - 21/02/13 03:22 AM

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Wilhelm Brenneke/Berlin 9,3x64




I have cast longing eyes at this rifle, too. Except for the odd treatment of the stock on the left side, just above the trigger and below the tang, it has wonderful classic lines, and the FN action is handled with respect, with no Germanic modifications, other than a little engraving.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #225795 - 23/02/13 05:05 AM

I like this mauser, only those APEL under parts and Buehler -style safety are small mistakes in style:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4282093













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #225812 - 23/02/13 09:32 AM

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I like this mauser, only those APEL under parts and Buehler -style safety are small mistakes in style




Don't forget the rather crudely altered bolt handle, which, unlike the scope bases and safety would be very difficult to restore to original condition. Also the non-original caliber stamping on the receiver ring would seem to indicate that the barrel is not original either. It sure is a pretty thing, however.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #225831 - 23/02/13 01:46 PM

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I like this mauser,




I do as well. For 527.16us plus import.......whats not to like.:):):)

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #225832 - 23/02/13 01:49 PM

Interesting

SN#2 ??? I am not a collector so to speak, not a "military" sort, not a "sniper" sort as well, but this is pretty cool

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=330213416





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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #225835 - 23/02/13 02:57 PM

Would have to disagree Caprivi. I would say its very cool. Also from a non military, non sniper type.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Claydog]
      #225836 - 23/02/13 03:20 PM

"Pretty"....."Very"......ummmm, Okay you win. It is VERY cool...:):):)

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #225838 - 23/02/13 06:14 PM

Quite nice. This rifles basic design is very near of that "African" Sporter which I have.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=210087&an=0&page=1#Post210087

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #226642 - 09/03/13 01:34 AM

"pre war gustav genschow 10,75x68" http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4307625&PHPSESSID=1c48372950c373727e35fa1e0204049c

what you see here is an ex gustav genschow 10,75x57 with another old stock and rechambered for the 10,75x68, probably completly reworked with a new blueing, imho.
the valuable Zeiss Ziel 6 on claw mount could be old but its also possible it was made new when this rifle was seeing the work bench again lately.
serial number 902 make it the first model whats clearly visible on the front sight. Rolf here have bought the number 905 last year.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=206900&an=0&page=0#Post206900

lots of high quality pics but the seller dont show the old caliber specification on the barrel. all of you thinking the neuseeland original mauser is to expensive look at the price asking for this rifle.










































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #226743 - 10/03/13 07:42 PM

original mauser for sale in france http://www.naturabuy.fr/MAUSER-10-75X68-item-1220783.html
10,75x68, serial number 116311, close to this 116580 http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=220097&an=0&page=0#Post220097
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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #226744 - 10/03/13 07:46 PM

original mauser in 10,75x68 for sale in germany, serial number 82389
buy it now price is 2000 euro
scope mount is
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4300787#img






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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #226797 - 11/03/13 12:11 PM

I like that one and with a Schmidt & Bender on it with eaw mounts on what looks like an original model b otherwise. Is the bolt handle look modified or is it an illusion? Mounts look to be fairly high so it may not have had to be modified. Looks like a nice piece of wood as well. Too bad the ammo's so darn hard to find and pricey.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: deepwoods]
      #227040 - 15/03/13 10:36 PM

nice and it seems original pre war stutzen in 9,x57 mauser by Emil v. Nordheim in Zella-Mehlis
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4302407

barrel lenght 480mm, oal 1010mm, OIGEE/Berlin Luxor 3x on claw mount








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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #227197 - 18/03/13 01:08 PM

Since the ocular housing of the Oigee scope appears to be integral with the scope tube, it is a mystery to me how the scope rings were installed on the tube, unless, of course, the scope was disassembled and the elevation adjustment drum removed to allow the rear ring to be installed.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #227224 - 19/03/13 02:39 PM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4273168

This one stayed tantalizingly low, around 700,00 Euros, right up to the last minute, then suddenly shot up to over twice the price. Still a good buy!


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #227236 - 19/03/13 09:11 PM

Concerning pre WWII scopes the following link may be helpful.
http://www.jagdwaffensammler.de/zielfernrohre.html

Disassembling the scope was common in those days , because the steel tube scopes were soldered to the rings.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #227248 - 20/03/13 05:00 AM

Quote:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4273168

This one stayed tantalizingly low, around 700,00 Euros, right up to the last minute, then suddenly shot up to over twice the price. Still a good buy!




yes I was very surprised seeing how it ends.
its rare that such rifles here sell for more than 1000 euro.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #227455 - 24/03/13 11:30 AM

"guild" 9x57 Cheap right now

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11930972/r...dst-nice-one-nr

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #227464 - 24/03/13 04:15 PM

spoon handle looks a little bit long but otherwise very slim and very elegant and classic lines on this rifle. I would not hesitate to customize the spoon handle if the rifle was mine. the missing scope with claw mount would be a problem for you americans but not here.



























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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #227626 - 27/03/13 03:00 PM

two different 7x57 Mauser's in the upcoming bonham's auction


very classic R. Mahrholdt & Sohn/Peterlongo Innsbruck stutzen with double set trigger's and claw mount base's

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20804/lot/58/




and a indeed very classic John Rigby & Co., 28 Sackville St., London, W1 in Rigby .275 H.V.


sorry to say scope and scope mount is a personal injury
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20804/lot/57/

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #227637 - 27/03/13 10:51 PM

Can any one enlighten me as to the nature of the scope mount used on the Rigby .275? The rear base appears to be attached to the receiver bridge by some kind of dovetail arrangement, while the front base appears to be mounted on the left side of the receiver. I have a 1903 M/S carbine with plugged holes drilled approximately where this front base would be, and I have never been able to visualize what sort of scope mount would require such holes. (The photograph at the auction site allows significant magnification with no deterioration in quality, so the details of the mount are quite evident.)

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #227646 - 28/03/13 02:57 AM

Quote:

imho, you need a M 88 rifle for the 9mm/M 88 alias 9x57




I tend to agree, a 88 just seems proper in a 9mm


Quote:

sorry to say scope and scope mount is a personal injury
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20804/lot/57/





I would agree again. While a 275 surely can benefit from a optically aiming device, this rather ponderous one is not it. A very simple remediation can be done thou. There price esimate is intriguing, but probably a bit "soft"

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #227650 - 28/03/13 04:13 AM

I have noticed that estimates on Oberndorf sporters at auction, at least here in the US, have been going up and up.
I guess appreciation of the original Oberndorfs is finally catching up with their quality.
Maybe the high prices on pre-64 Model 70's is pushing Mausers up too.
An example:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/58/lid/1548

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #227656 - 28/03/13 05:50 AM

"10mm" a 10.75 perhaps ???

With so many "FAKE" pre-64 model 70's anymore, I don't bother with them as to collector, cheap beaters for as is or custom, still possible.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #227658 - 28/03/13 06:21 AM

Quote:

Can any one enlighten me as to the nature of the scope mount used on the Rigby .275?



This type of mount is now usually called the "Holland & Holland mount". It is essentially a single-foot claw mount attached to the left side of the receiver. It works the other way around than the usual German claw mount: You first slide the rear foot into it's recess, where it hooks around a pin. then the front foot is swung down and secured by turning a small lever. The rod under the scope is there to keep the rings at the correct distance, even if the scope slips in the rings. H&H introduced this type of mount in the 1920s afaik.
Virtually the same type of scope mount was used several years earlier by by the Austrians on some of their WW1 Mannlicher M95 sniper rifles. The only obvious difference: the Austrians did not use such a "distance rod". As their rings were soldered to the scope tubes, they could not slip and such a rod was unnecessary.
Same question as with the Greifelt and Griffin & Howe single-lever sidemounts: who invented what and who copied a proven design?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #227660 - 28/03/13 06:25 AM

very nice rifle and I wonder about the caliber,
10,75x68 would be possible but when asking 6500-8500 $$$ this must be clear







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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #227668 - 28/03/13 08:02 AM

I can't think that it could be anything but a 10.75X68.
Very nice rifle but not going to get into that estimate range I bet.
Rock Island never seems to get the real $$$ for Mausers as it seems like the auction attendees and most of their off site clientele is into the American stuff - Winchesters and Colts etc. They seem to sell the hell out of that stuff!

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #227696 - 28/03/13 07:53 PM

nice wood and the full lenght octagonal barrel is something you dont see every day

just have the day for free and we will go a small step aside

there are some of the older Sako L46 for sale in finland and they imho the nicest mini mauser's ever made
oh, such a temptation





7x33 Sako http://www.ace-gun.com/product_details.php?p=2132







25-20 http://www.ace-gun.com/product_details.php?p=1789












7x33 Sako http://www.ace-gun.com/product_details.php?p=1897

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #227794 - 01/04/13 06:59 AM

A nice looking Schilling '88. Sorry lancaster it is a 8mm not a 9.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334542187



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      #227795 - 01/04/13 07:03 AM

Quote:

just have the day for free and we will go a small step aside

there are some of the older Sako L46 for sale in finland and they imho the nicest mini mauser's ever made
oh, such a temptation






Agreed they are. In my youth a friend of Dad's had a little Sako with the forward band like this in a .22 of some sort. .218 Bee I think but ???

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      #227915 - 03/04/13 05:23 AM

Very cool CZ mannlicher in 8x57JS. Have talked with seller, too rich for me.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=335057960






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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #228081 - 05/04/13 05:33 AM

Very fascinating m98 Mauser for sale in Sweden. Seems to be a bit later "cousin" to my african Mauser:

http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/



KULGEVÄR, Tyskt, cylinderrepeter, fabrikat: Mauser, modell Dalarna, kal. 8x60 Normal, tillvnr. 114966, piplängd 70cm, oktagonpipa, ramsikte från 50-1000 meter, plundringsbart magasin, nätskuren 3/4 kolv med pistolgrepp och kindstöd, hornbakkappa, rembyglar, 14 askar DWM och 1 ask Norma med 8x60 patroner och tidsenligt gevärsfodral och rem medföljer. Mycket gott skick.
Utropspris: 10000 - 12000 SEK

"German bolt action rifle, maker: Mauser, model Dalarna, cal. 8x60 Normal nr. 114966, barrel length 70cm, octagon barrel, rear sight from 50-1000 meters, Mauser 1904 type hinged floorplate magazine, 3/4 lenght stock with checkerings, pistol grip and cheek piece, horn butt plate, 14 boxes DWM and 1 box of Norma 8x60 cartridges and timely rifle case and strap included. Very good condition.

Estimate: 10000 - 12000 SEK"
(= ca. 1500-1850 US $ + fees)

I´m quite sure that my own rifle has been bought as new to Sweden too. The serial number is from the last year before I WW. Never ever before heard anything about "Mauser mod. Dalarna"...?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #228093 - 05/04/13 07:41 AM

I think John was right...this is a sick thread :P I've only looked at it about a hundred times!

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #228098 - 05/04/13 09:33 AM

Quote:

The serial number is from the last year before I WW.




Since the 8X60 cartridge was developed after World War I as a result of the banning of the 8X57 cartridge for civilian use by the Treaty of Versailles, it is most unlikely that this is a pre- World War I rifle. In fact, if I am not mistaken, the use of the term "NORMAL" did not begin until the 1930's.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #228106 - 05/04/13 11:41 AM

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In fact, if I am not mistaken, the use of the term "NORMAL" did not begin until the 1930's.



Yes, correct but the serial number which I comment on belongs to my own 6,5x55 Mauser which you`ll find here: http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=210087&an=0&page=1#Post210087

The rifle for sale has been made twenty years later, between 1934-35.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #228847 - 16/04/13 12:17 PM

Kinda cool. Could be nice donor under all of that. Small ring 98, claw mounts, ribbed barrel

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11937310/g...lt-action-rifle




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      #228854 - 16/04/13 03:38 PM

Nice object for restoration.

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      #228955 - 18/04/13 03:46 AM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4332797

original Wilhelm Brenneke/Leipzig in 7x64 made bei Ernst Schmidt&Habermann in Suhl





















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      #228981 - 18/04/13 12:03 PM

L46 Riihmaki in 7x33, pretty rare here in the Colonies.



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #229061 - 20/04/13 10:13 AM

Pretty nice ca.1905 Type B here on GunBroker
Somebody buy it before I loose my powers of resistance!!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=337577587

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      #229064 - 20/04/13 10:50 AM

Is that a Square bridge under there ????

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=337835577

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #229065 - 20/04/13 10:59 AM

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Is that a Square bridge under there ????




Looks like it.
But everything surrounding it is hideous...

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      #229069 - 20/04/13 12:35 PM

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Looks like it.
But everything surrounding it is hideous...





To say the very least

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      #229071 - 20/04/13 01:11 PM

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Pretty nice ca.1905 Type B here on GunBroker
Somebody buy it before I loose my powers of resistance!!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=337577587




















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      #229075 - 20/04/13 01:23 PM

Not a double set trigger fan so much, but nice to see un-molested Oberndorf

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      #229092 - 21/04/13 02:53 AM

Gorgeous rifle, great caliber. Wish I had the bucks at the moment. My absolute favorite stock configuration.

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      #229134 - 21/04/13 01:46 PM

M 98 with five rounds magazine in 5,6x52R / .22 Savage High Power made by M.Möller in Zehla Mehlis proofed in 7/1943
sold by „Alfred Krausser, München“ a rifle for the dedicated moutain hunter showing chamois and roe deer in the engravings, bavarian cheek piece













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #229145 - 21/04/13 11:56 PM

This is very nice too:













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #229146 - 22/04/13 12:18 AM

And this is VERY RARE bird: Mauser in .280 Halger (Halbe&Gerlich, Kiel) with original m98 Magnum action.



















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #229147 - 22/04/13 12:57 AM

3 very cool additions to the archives.

Would love to see details on the magazine of that 5.6x52R

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #229152 - 22/04/13 01:34 AM

yes all 3 are very good but the halger rifle is absolutly stunning

it looks like the 5,6x52R have a spacer in the magazine to make it shorter

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #229165 - 22/04/13 05:18 AM

This rifle was sold today and the price was 11000 SEK (~ 1685 US$) + fees. IMO quite cheap price for such a rare mauser.

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Very fascinating m98 Mauser for sale in Sweden. Seems to be a bit later "cousin" to my african Mauser:

http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/






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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #229205 - 22/04/13 11:20 PM

Quote:

nice wood and the full lenght octagonal barrel is something you dont see every day

just have the day for free and we will go a small step aside

there are some of the older Sako L46 for sale in finland and they imho the nicest mini mauser's ever made
oh, such a temptation







I'm a little curious about the barrel/forearm band, it looks very appealingly solid for a working rifle but in these free-floating days, I'm curious how accuracy may be affected?

Seeing the caliber being 7x33 sako I guess many use/used them for capercaillie and other birds, small targets on some distance. Anyway, lovely rifle!


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: AndyB]
      #229212 - 23/04/13 02:09 AM

Igorrock,
I'm now the happy owner of that African 8x60 Mauser with 28" octagonal barrel sold yesterday in Sweden at Walter Borg auction.
Now, we must add auctioneer fee and shipping charges, but overall it seems a nice buy.
More about it when it comes in our premises in South of France.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: DORLEAC]
      #229219 - 23/04/13 03:26 AM

DORLEAC, luck for you ! Next time you have to buy my African one. It comes for sale quite soon. Maybe you could have some problems with it, caliber is old swedish army 6,5x55....?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #229220 - 23/04/13 03:36 AM

Quote:

Seeing the caliber being 7x33 sako I guess many use/used them for capercaillie and other birds, small targets on some distance. Anyway, lovely rifle!


The optimal shooting distance for 7x33 is less than 100 meters. This caliber was designed for those who hunt capercaillie and black grouse with barking dog.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #229223 - 23/04/13 04:56 AM

Ah hehe okay, thanks for clearing that up!

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: AndyB]
      #229263 - 24/04/13 05:26 AM

Not in auction but IMO very nice Mauser for sale in sweden in quite cheap price:

http://www.blocket.se/ostergotland/8_57_Christopfer_Funk_46651368.htm?ca=3&w=3

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KULGEVÄR, Tyskt, repeter, fabrikat: Christoph Funk, kal. 8x57J, ställbart sikte, pistolgrepp, kolvmagasin, rembyglar, GOTT SKICK.
Vapnet kräver licens




Rifle, German, bolt action with magazine, maker: Christopher Funk, cal. 8x57 I, adjustable rear sight, pistol grip, stock magazine, sling swivels. In GOOD CONDITION. Price 4000 SEK (~600 USD)

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #229316 - 27/04/13 01:56 AM

another Manufrance Rival carbine in 10,75x68
http://www.naturabuy.fr/CARABINE-MANUFRANCE-540-RIVAL-N-462-CALIBRE-10-75X68-item-1276056.html

















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #229879 - 09/05/13 11:42 PM

Schmidt+Habermann Suhl rifle in 6,5x68 with a post war zeiss 6x42 on claw mount, 67cm long barrel
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4400348&PHPSESSID=1c48372950c373727e35fa1e0204049c





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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #229928 - 11/05/13 02:58 AM

oberndorf mauser in 9,3x62




http://auctionet.com/sv/70864-kulgevar-t.../images#image_1

http://auctionet.com/sv/events/7-v2013/2...-kaliber-9-3x62

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #229993 - 13/05/13 07:44 AM

I really wanted to bid on that, having a Jagdschein and being stationed in Germany. However, I was unsure if I would be able to import it to the US.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: MattieA]
      #230013 - 13/05/13 03:08 PM

This 9,3 mm Mauser will be sold in sweden.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230040 - 14/05/13 03:31 AM

I agree, 9,3x62 is a fashionable cartridge also there and this original mauser will get enough attention


anoher original Mauser in 10,75x68, serial number 83048 on egun in germany















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first day of two weeks in auction and the price starts like a rocket. same rear sight like the 9,3x62 in sweden.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #230052 - 14/05/13 05:02 AM

Quote:

same rear sight like the 9,3x62 in sweden


It would be quite interesting to test how 10,75x68 Mauser will shoot to 1000 metres....

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230071 - 14/05/13 11:03 AM

Unusual caliber designation of "10.5" on that one. The only 10.75x68's I've seen are marked "10.75x68". So what's with the caliber?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: deepwoods]
      #230075 - 14/05/13 01:23 PM

this was the common designation in the german proofhouse system then. here you see it on rifle number 80748:



this is the bore diameter that was measure in the proofhouse with a steal plug.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #230076 - 14/05/13 01:50 PM

This rifle is quite old, seems to be proofed in 1921.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230099 - 15/05/13 05:04 AM

I had an original Mauser Oberndorf sporter made by Otto Bock the originater of the 9.3x62 cartridge . It had a full matted rib . If I can dig up some old pictures I will post . Sold it to an Alaskan logger to hunt Kodiak bears

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #230147 - 16/05/13 09:51 PM

Interesting information on the "10.5" I have a Type A from 1924 stamped 10.75X68.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: deepwoods]
      #230184 - 18/05/13 01:27 AM

Nice old 9x57 SAUER for sale in sweden:







http://www.blocket.se/jamtland/Sauer_o_Sohn_47163329.htm?ca=3&w=3

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230185 - 18/05/13 03:48 AM

a best mauser from suhl

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #230380 - 23/05/13 05:21 AM

one of the rarest rifles you can find:



original pre war mauser in 9,3x64 made by Schmidt&Habermann in Suhl for Brennecke /Leipzig

SCHMIDT & HABERMANN (SUHL)
A 9.3X64mm BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 80,
serial number on bolt only, 26 1/2in. nitro reproved barrel (in 2013), engraved 'W. BOHNE, STETTIN', and 'BRENNEKE GROSSWILDPATRONE CAL. 9.3X64R', block-mounted open sights and ramp-mounted bead fore-sight, receiver (with thumb cutout) with scroll engraving and signed 'E. SCHMIDT & HABERMANN. SUHL.', and mounted with a Kollmorgen Optical Corp. 'Bear Cub' telescopic sight in quickly-detachable mounts, manual side safety, hinged floorplate with lever release and 'ESHA' trademark, set triggers, horn fore-end finial, pistolgrip stock with horn pistolgrip-cap, cheekpiece, sling swivels, 14 3/8in. pull including 3/4in. rubber recoil pad
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...6&saletype=

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #230384 - 23/05/13 06:05 AM

It would be very nice to own. It´s interesting to see the end price....

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230416 - 23/05/13 10:48 PM

And some more in Wienna:

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&sale_id=90180

"Original Oberndorf Sporter Type B with hinged magazine floorplate with lever fastener, long cocking piece, Express sights with two additional folding leaves (one missing) and later added German claw mount bases. Starting price: 400€"





https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&sale_id=87853

"Barrel engraved "For 333 Jeffery Cartridge", London Nitro proof marks before 1945, hinged magazine floorplate, interesting early African repeater in original condition. Starting price:240€"







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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230419 - 23/05/13 11:24 PM


Igorock

I tried the link but can't get in.

What is the estimate on the 333 Jeffrey ?


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230425 - 24/05/13 01:26 AM

because the 9,3x64 brennecke was sold by a gunmaker in Stettin wich was than a very important german harbour I believe we can assume it was bought for making a tour into a dangerous game country.




if you compare it with a 333 jeffery this is a very common rifle and it would be hard to find another pre war 9,3x64 again.

do you think the jeffery have the original stock? look here


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230428 - 24/05/13 01:38 AM

Nitro, I was able to get in. You have to fill a small registration form which is not very user friendly.

There is no estimate for the .333 Jeffery but the starting bid is 240 EUR. The auction hasn't yet started according to the website.

I'm trying to understand the origin of the rifle. It appears to me to be an Oberndorf pre-WW1 Mauser Type B which was chambered to .333 Jeffery by the English trade, but I thought Rigby had sole rights in Britain to the Mauser action prior to 1912.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: mckinney]
      #230429 - 24/05/13 01:47 AM


mckinney

What about chambered for 333 Jeffrey in Germany
and then shipped somewhere after the war ?

Or shipped to someone in the UK between 1912
and 1914 when the war started.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230430 - 24/05/13 01:49 AM


Lancaster

I think you'd have to take the gun / stock apart
to really know.

I can't remember seeing anything like that before
but as you know with the gun trade, anything goes
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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230431 - 24/05/13 01:58 AM

Sounds plausible. If we could see all the marks on the gun, we'd know more. The auction entry states that the rifle was built in 1911 and proofed in Britain in 1945, which suggests that it lived elsewhere before then. Interesting looking rifle with a lot of character.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: mckinney]
      #230432 - 24/05/13 02:11 AM

I don't believe the .333 to be original as it is now. The action is a standard length Mauser action, but the stock is a pre-1912 commercial Mauser one inletted for an intermediate action like the ones used for the 7x57 = .275 Rigby. The front, rear sight and sling swivel bases are unlike any ever made by Mauser before WW2. The action seems to be of military production too, as it lacks the long striker nut then used on commercial Mausers. The magazine floorplate is not of straddle-type like those used by Mauser on .318 and other rifles.If action and stock were made by Mauser together the Mauser commercial serial number and proofmarks should be visible on the receiver ring, directly above the woodline. IMHO a concoction of a barreled action by some British maker assembled into a Mauser commercial stock to make a complete rifle. Fell into a similar trap once at a Holt's auction: Got an original, pre-1912 commercial Mauser stock like the one shown here, serial number 36750, wth the barreled WW1 small ring Kar98AZ 8x57IS action and British express sights.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #230433 - 24/05/13 02:36 AM


kudae

Thanks for that insight.

Lots of "bitser" guns as I call them
are around, especially around the wars.

I'll have to have a look at a photo of
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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: 500Nitro]
      #230437 - 24/05/13 03:16 AM

Well, I've made a modest bid for it and will see how it goes. I don't believe it will sell for more than 700-800 Eur.

Incidentally, the other Type B from the same sale (pictured in Igorrock's post above) is in caliber 8x60S according to the auction listing.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: mckinney]
      #230467 - 25/05/13 03:09 AM

The barrel contour doesn't seem to be a genuine "Jeffery". As stated also, the stock doesn't belong either to the "Jeffery" concept.

I can only recommed the .333Jeffery. Good caliber that still surprise. I will bring mine on my third safari in August.

..go get one

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: rigbymauser]
      #230468 - 25/05/13 03:46 AM

Quote:

The front, rear sight and sling swivel bases are unlike any ever made by Mauser before WW2. The action seems to be of military production too, as it lacks the long striker nut then used on commercial Mausers.


In Jon Speed book you could see pre-ww1 W.J. Jeffery .333 Mauser with all those details. But as said, the stock seems to made for intermediate m98 action which has longer front ring.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230472 - 25/05/13 04:19 AM

Igorrock, sure I know Jon's books, my name is on page xi (first book), vi (smalbores). Look closer, "similar" is not "the same". And, Jeffery rifles were not put together by Mauser like Rigby's were, but by unknown British or even Belgian craftsmen. Further, I miss the Jeffery adress on this rifle. It merely sais it is chambered for Jeffery's cartridge. Not all rifles inscribed "5.6x61 Super Express vom Hofe" or "9.3x64 Brenneke" were made by or for vom Hofe or Brenneke.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230473 - 25/05/13 04:29 AM

The stock is definitely pre-WW1 commercial Mauser, with the swell on the sides, the rounded pistol grip and the slender tapered forend. I have two Type B's which have exactly the same stock, one in 7x57 and the other 8x57. The 7x57 has the same style floorplate as the .333, but without a release in the trigger guard. The 8x57 has set triggers and a floorplate with lever release. (Both are pictured somewhere on the forum in a long ago post). I really like the feel of the early stocks, especially the slim forend. The bolt knob on the .333 appears to me to be 'pear shaped' commercial and not the more rounded military style.

I think this rifle may just be an early Type B that was later chambered to .333 with some changes to the sights. However, if memory serves the .333 was introduced around 1905 so it would have been contemporaneous with the '98 action and the early Type B rifles.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #230476 - 25/05/13 04:52 AM

Quote:

Not all rifles inscribed "5.6x61 Super Express vom Hofe" or "9.3x64 Brenneke" were made by or for vom Hofe or Brenneke.


Of course, in my 9,3x64 Mauser barrel we could read Husqvarna...
We all know this .333 isn´t any collector item but if the next owner will change a new stock with correct outfit, IMO he (or she) would have quite a nice hunting rifle in good caliber anyway.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #230500 - 25/05/13 10:58 PM

TO LATE - ALLREADY SOLD

Mauser African Model in 9.3x62 Caliber. Probably the Most Unique and Seldom Encountered of the
Original Oberndorf Mauser Sporting Rifles. Serial Number 116000 - 1936-37 era. Rifle has seen virtually no use. Metalwork retains 99% of is rich dark blue, even the corners of the octagon barrel show little or no wear. Wood is excellent with most all of the original finish. Very unusual to find a rifle such as this that was obviously intended for intense use to be found in this condition. Certainly a rare collecting opportunity to add this one to any Mauser collection.
9.3x62 mm 28" Octagon with full integral rib.





















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #230502 - 25/05/13 11:05 PM

R. G. Owen 250/3000 Caliber Custom Kurz Mauser Sporter. Metalwork is all Mauser except for the
locking front sight hood; that is the typical Owen design. Bohler barrel and action serial numbers
are matching. Proof date of 7/26 - 6.3mm. cal. Beautifully integrated quarter rib with 4 folding leaves.
Stock work is the typical superb example of Owen's highly renowned workmanship. Serial number
10827 on both action and barrel. Zeiss Zielvier 4x has clear crisp optics. Very neat outfit.

250/3000 22" w/ 1/4 Rib with 4 folding leaves.

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      #230637 - 29/05/13 05:55 AM

Auguste FRANCOTTE .416 RIGBY with ORIGINAL Pre-War MAUSER Magnum System:

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      #231762 - 28/06/13 03:59 AM

yes the stock have problems but interesting because its a 7mm vom Hofe
Mauser M 66 S http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4439873&PHPSESSID=1c48372950c373727e35fa1e0204049c















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #231767 - 28/06/13 05:47 AM

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but interesting because its a 7mm vom Hofe Mauser M 66 S



Not so unusual at all! The short, telescoping action of the Mauser 66 was invented in 1963 by Walter Gehmann, Karlsruhe, and patented DBPatent # 1205423. At the same time Walter Gehmann held the rights to the vom Hofe trademark and the vom Hofe proprietary cartridges. In fact, the 7x66 vom Hofe Super Express was designed by Gehmann in 1956, based on older prototypes by Wilhem Brenneke. The 7x66 SE v.Hofe was meant as a replacement of the 1931 7x73 vom Hofe SE. The belted case 7x73 needed a long Mauser Magnum action, unavailable in the 1950s. So Gehmann packed the ballistics in a shorter case that would work through a standard length M98 action without opening up. Of course, Gehmann had the rifles for his proprietary cartridges made by Mauser on his own action. BTW, this rifle was proofed HK = 1979.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #232951 - 26/07/13 01:46 PM

10.75X68 Double Square Bridge TypeB in France

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Very nice. Good price with those two square bridges.

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      #232976 - 27/07/13 02:55 AM

"Collection of British bolt action / takedown rifles - to be sold as a complete collection

9 big bore rifles in total

Only serious enquiries"
http://www.jamesedition.com/lifestyle-co...n-rifles-687344

would be interesting to know what it is, one seems to be a .425 Westley Richards something you dont see every day





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      #233311 - 01/08/13 01:44 PM

a 300 Win Mag Mauser made by Helbig for Glaser in Switzerland, post war






http://www.waffenboerse.ch/gebrauchtwaffen/jagdwaffen/glaser-helbig-repetierer-98-300-winch-mag.html

funny little lever on the magazine

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234267 - 15/08/13 12:31 AM

Here's an enigma: an Oberndorf Mauser which, judging from the numberous visible pits, looks as though it was buried at some point and dug up, with a non-factory barrel in 8X64, and a laminated stock, which the proud seller describes as being made from "nobly figured light colored stock wood", and a one piece banded front claw mount base the like of which I have never seen before. This rifle is being bid up far above its apparent value, for some reason I can't fathom: http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4517157

The seller has evidently had some problems with truthfulness in the past, judging from his feedback. His user name is not particularly trust inspiring: bettphannenchef (bed pan manager).


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #234282 - 15/08/13 04:57 AM

Xausa, this is a prewar commercial Mauser action, rebarreled to 9.3x64 Brenneke, not 8x64. The rust pitting is a quite common sight on German guns that escaped liberation in 1945 and were hidden for several years in the most unlikely places.
These rear scope mount bases are usually found on 1960s Mannlicher-Schoenauer GK rifles here in Germany, a typical German aftermarket claw mount system like the one on my 6.5x68 M-Sch:

BTW. the sellers name is "Bettpannenchef". I would rather translate this as "boss of bed breakdown". "Bed pan manager" would be "Bettpfannenchef".


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234292 - 15/08/13 01:28 PM

question is what is was before
9,3x64 dont fit in the magazin when it was in the 8x57 class before.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234312 - 16/08/13 01:33 AM

Kuduae,

This is what comes of old age and failure to check sources. My humble apologies for the mistakes you pointed out. Maybe nearing the 3/4 century mark is some excuse. Incidentally, I thoroughly enjoyed your contributions to Der Waffenschmidt!

I'm a little curious about the subject raised by Lancaster. I believe 9.3X64 required a 92mm magazine box, so some modification was likely necessary.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #234320 - 16/08/13 05:20 AM

iirc, 92 mm is the length you need for the 375 H&H
I think you need 86-87mm for the 9,3x64 and its possible to file a standard magazin box to this length. dont know if the Mauser works ever made an original sporter in 9,3x64 because it was a Brennecke proprietary cartridge before WW 2.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #234323 - 16/08/13 05:55 AM

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question is what is was before
9,3x64 dont fit in the magazin when it was in the 8x57 class before.



CIP max cartridge oal is 85.6 mm for the 9.3x64. Jon Speed, Mauser OOSR, gives the factory magazine dimensions of commercial Oberndorf sporting rifles. 8x60, 9x57, 10.75x68 = 84mm oal. 9.3x62 = 85mm. .30-06, 7x64, 8x64 = 88mm (opened up to the front), .318, .333J, 9.3x64 = 92mm (opened up front and rear). IMHO a 9.3x64 with the bullet seated to 85.6mm CIP oal will quite well through an 88mm magazine. Even an 84mm box can be filed ot front and rear to take the 9.3x64. Of course, such a magzine will take only three of the fatter cartridges. Post WW2 many standard length ex-military 98 actions and magazines were opened up to take even the .375 H&H. Even the FN/Browning so-called "Magnum" action is merely an opened up standard length one. Mauser themselves used Magnum length actions with a 95mm mag for such numbers.
BTW that 9.4x64 rifle sold for EURO 514.99, about $ 670.-. Here are some auction photos:



IMHO the design is influenced by Art Alphin's A-Square "Hannibal" rifles of years gone by.



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234324 - 16/08/13 06:14 AM

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dont know if the Mauser works ever made an original sporter in 9,3x64 because it was a Brennecke proprietary cartridge before WW 2.



Apparently they did, as they listed this cartridge in their magazine dimension table. BTW, all "Original Wilhelm Brenneke, Leipzig" pre-war bolt action rifles I know about were actually made for Brenneke by Schmidt & Habermann, Suhl, eveidenced by a hidden "ESHA" stamp you find on all these famous rifles. Early postwar "Original Wilhelm Brenneke, Berlin" were bought in from Walter Röll, who continued the Mauser commercial production into the 1960s. Later ones were put together by others on FN actions.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234325 - 16/08/13 08:21 AM


Lancaster

Re ""Collection of British bolt action / takedown rifles - to be sold as a complete collection"

What I would like to know is how many are take downs
and what type of Take down mechanisms are used.

Obviously the WR is shown, I wonder of the Holland
style of stock and action coming apart is represented ?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234354 - 17/08/13 04:18 AM

[quote
BTW that 9.4x64 rifle sold for EURO 514.99, about $ 670.-.




The way the ultimate price was arrived at struck me as rather peculiar. A bidder with no successful bids to his credit kept pushing the price up, until only one other bidder was active, and then, intentionally or not, successfully outbid the remaining bidder by 5.00 Euros. It makes me wonder if the seller was not employing a shill, who bid one time too often and was left holding the bag. Obviously from the number of exclamation points used in the description, the seller thought very highly of his offering.

Incidentally, I just noticed that the same rifle is again for sale by the same seller http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4533119, and once again a novice bidder is running the price up.


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      #234355 - 17/08/13 04:50 AM

the usual internet auction game

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      #234356 - 17/08/13 05:05 AM

There should be a way to report this kind of deception, but so far I have been unable to determine how. Egun has a way of blacklisting a buyer, but I can find nothing which pertains to complaints about an unscrupulous seller.

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      #234390 - 18/08/13 02:16 AM

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the usual internet auction game




You got to "love" the sellers where you bid on an internet auction item, no bids since the start of the auction a lengthy period of time, you make a bid, an hour later a higher bid is made, then days later, you make a second bid, again you are bid against ... pretty obvious the seller is bidding the price up himself, using a second alias.

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      #234659 - 25/08/13 03:55 AM

HOLT'S
Fine Modern & Antique Guns - September 2013
London
19 Sep 2013







Sale A190913 Lot 1140

MAUSER
A 7X57mm '1912' BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 67971,
24in. nitro reproved barrel with adjustable tangent rear sight marked to 1000 yards, ramp-mounted bead fore-sight, receiver ring marked 'WAFFENFABRIK MAUSER A.G. OBERNDORF A/N 1912', thumb cutout, floorplate with military style release, semi-pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, sling swivel, 13 1/2in. pull including original buttplate, in a full length canvas and leather case with J. Graham & Co. (Inverness) gold-tooled leather label


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      #234661 - 25/08/13 05:31 AM

I have noticed that HOLT´S do not comprehend those original Mauser sporting rifles very high.

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      #234685 - 25/08/13 11:09 PM

Quote:

[quote
BTW that 9.4x64 rifle sold for EURO 514.99, about $ 670.-.




The way the ultimate price was arrived at struck me as rather peculiar. A bidder with no successful bids to his credit kept pushing the price up, until only one other bidder was active, and then, intentionally or not, successfully outbid the remaining bidder by 5.00 Euros. It makes me wonder if the seller was not employing a shill, who bid one time too often and was left holding the bag. Obviously from the number of exclamation points used in the description, the seller thought very highly of his offering.

Incidentally, I just noticed that the same rifle is again for sale by the same seller http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4533119, and once again a novice bidder is running the price up.




The second auction has now ended, with the same results, except that this time the final bid, also made by a straw bidder, was even lower than the first time around, 402.00 Euros.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234699 - 26/08/13 04:59 AM

Very interesting rifle , what seems to be a prewar vom Hofe super express (Original commercial Oberndorf action and- to my view- Oberndorf Type A stock.
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4545833


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      #234718 - 26/08/13 01:20 PM

yes, looks great and 7x73 vom Hofe super express is not something you see everyday


















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      #234722 - 26/08/13 01:34 PM

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yes, looks great and 7x73 vom Hofe super express is not something you see everyday








For some reason the 7mm vom Hofe Super Express has always interested me. I think it was after reading, I think it was a Harald Wolf article, on a German hunter who used a 7mm SEVH and a .404 for hunts across the world. (Corrected - it may not have been a .404 but a .500 NE double rifle.)

I looked up the ballistics at the time, and from memory they were something like a 7mm Rem Mag?

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      #234723 - 26/08/13 01:41 PM

Did a search on NE and found this thread, which appears to be a 7x66 SEVH - http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=73139&an=&page=0&vc=1

I see the 7x66 ballistics are about 3000 fps for a 170 gr projectile. The 7x73 (belted) cartridge generated a "reported" 3300 fps for a 170 gr projectile - per factory Gehrmann loads, which COTW reports as "optimistic".

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      #234724 - 26/08/13 01:45 PM

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What was the case based on?




iirc, the 404

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Quote:

Quote:

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What was the case based on?




iirc, the 404




Isn't that the 7x66? The 7x73 appears to be a belted case?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: NitroX]
      #234728 - 26/08/13 02:27 PM

Beautiful looking rifle and very interesting chambering. I don't think those lines have ever been improved on.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Claydog]
      #234732 - 26/08/13 04:36 PM

The parent case of 7x73 SEvH was .300 H&H. But it´s interesting to notice that vom Hofes case head is a tad bigger than .300`s.


7x73



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234750 - 27/08/13 12:42 AM

Solid left wall, magnum length round-top action. Pre-war?
Not sure I have ever seen this configuration.
Reminds me of the Halger I had... Similar case to the .280 Dubiel too.

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      #234756 - 27/08/13 03:14 AM

yes looks like pre war to me! I think Funk in Suhl was making the rifles for vom Hofe maybe kuduae see this.
dont say the rifle is perfect but it would be a simple job just changing the old firewood against a mcmillan tactical stock. new stainless barrel in 460 weatherby and a weaver rail and you are ready

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      #234761 - 27/08/13 06:05 AM

All the 7x73 SEvH are pre-war and were built on Mauser commercial Magnum length actions. Note the position of the recoil crossbolt at the rear of the receiver ring, a dead giveaway for a Mauser Magnum action. As true Magnum length actions were available no more after WW2, cartridge production was not resumed. Gehmann, who owned the "Vom Hofe" trademark, designed the rimless 7x66 SEvH instead as a replacement, as this shorter cartridge could be used in an opened up standard length action. BTW, in designing the 7x66, Gehmann copied a pre-war experimental cartridge by Wilhelm Brenneke. I even know a pre-war vom Hofe rifle, originally in 7x73. Post-war Gehmann rebarreled this rifle to 7x66 and inserted a wood filler block to shorten the now unnecessarily long magazine! the most silly conversion I have ever seen! I don't know who made these rifles for vom Hofe. May have been Chr.Funk or Schmidt & Habermann, who made all the "Original Wilhelm Brenneke, Leipzig" rifles.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234762 - 27/08/13 06:17 AM

Looking at the details of the metal and wood, it appears to be the work of Friedrich Triebel.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234763 - 27/08/13 06:19 AM

Interesting info again ! Thanks Kuduae !

By the way, quite nice CECO -mauser for sale in sweden. What a pity that the original stock is missing:

http://www.blocket.se/boden/GECO_mauser_98_9_3x57_48961318.htm?ca=3&w=3







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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: dons]
      #234765 - 27/08/13 08:34 AM

Were magnum actions with rounded rear bridges more or less common than a square rear bridge or did they have the rear square bridge taken off?
My Halger had a rear square bridge and I think others I have seen did too.

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      #234800 - 28/08/13 01:56 PM

10,75x68 african model serial number 27682
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      #234801 - 28/08/13 02:40 PM

I think I could learn to live with the scope and gold lettering. Looks a good restoration and I would love to get hold of one of those Africa models.

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      #234803 - 28/08/13 03:11 PM

This rifle seems to be "an old friend"......

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=221800&an=0&page=1#Post221800

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234807 - 28/08/13 10:10 PM

"Note the position of the recoil crossbolt at the rear of the receiver ring, a dead giveaway for a Mauser Magnum action."

Why is this the case and not like a standard Mauser?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Don]
      #234809 - 28/08/13 10:31 PM

Quote:

"Note the position of the recoil crossbolt at the rear of the receiver ring, a dead giveaway for a Mauser Magnum action."

Why is this the case and not like a standard Mauser?

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Most dimensions are shared by the standard and magnum length actions except, of course, length.
Even the distance between the screws coming up from the bottom metal is the same.
The foreward lug (under the receiver ring) on a standard action is out near the forward end of the action so the crossbolt behind it ends up more or less directly below the center of the front ring.
On a magnum action, the foreward lug is close to centered under the front ring so the crossbolt is farther rearward toward the back edge of the front ring.
I have been meaning to photograph this. It is very obvious in a side by side photo.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234820 - 29/08/13 04:40 AM

Here is a comment I just got from Jon Speed:
" By the way I saw the small talk on Nitro site about the 7X73 von Hofe rifle and wanted to add that the action on this rifle had been a Single squre bridge soild left wall example but on many von Hofe rifles the rear bridge was milled down to set up suhler type scope bases.This was also the case on some Halger rifles as these groups did not consider the Mauser square bridge scope mounting strong enough for whatever reason."
I disagree slightly with friend Jon on the last sentence only: Imho they did not want to buy Mauser's proprietary rear rings that only came in more or less standardised sizes and heights. So they removed the square bridge to be able to fit Suhl made, f.i. by A.W.Triebel, claw mount bases and rings. Noone of their then customers cared about "collector grade originality", they only wanted a reliable, strong, scoped rifle.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234826 - 29/08/13 07:52 AM

Thanks Kuduae, that clears it up for me as far as the lack of a rear square bridge.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234827 - 29/08/13 10:13 AM

Thanks Kuduae I guess the point is that in this case since the screws coming up from the bottom metal to the underside of the action and joining where the recoil lug is defines the position of the cross bolt. Since the screws coming up from the bottom metal on a magnum action is in the the same location as a standard action, because the magnum action is lengthen this has the effect of the recoil lug appearing move backward with the cross bolt at the rear of receiver ring. Make sense?

Another question: I have heard that on occasion that gunsmiths would take two standard Mauser actions cut each one in two at a difference of 3/16" and re-weld them to create a "magnum" Mauser in light of what you said I don't see how this was possible. Have you heard anything on the surgical production of "magnum" Mauser?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Don]
      #234843 - 29/08/13 04:09 PM

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I have heard that on occasion that gunsmiths would take two standard Mauser actions cut each one in two at a difference of 3/16" and re-weld them to create a "magnum" Mauser in light of what you said I don't see how this was possible. Have you heard anything on the surgical production of "magnum" Mauser?



Here in Finland some gunsmiths have done such a job. It succeeds but needs much finishing works and special jig when welding those two halves together. And properly heat treating too. I have also seen pictures of m98 action shortened to m96 lenght.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #234858 - 30/08/13 03:30 AM

this one was cut and weld for the the lenght of the 8x33 Kurz










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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234859 - 30/08/13 04:52 AM

Such cutting and welding can and has been done, even to the end that two actions resulted, a long and a short one. But the elongated action will not be identical to a true Magnum action from the Mauser, Oberndorf factory. As you cannot move the recoil lug and the screw hole under the receiver ring rearwards, you will also have to fabricate longer bottom metal too to match the new, longer screw hole spacing. BTW the rare made in France Brevex Magnum "Mauser" actions of the post-WW2 years were of such a design, new made but with a longer screw spacing. As no pre-shaped stock will fit such an action with non-standard screw spacing, hand stocking is the only option.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234860 - 30/08/13 05:19 AM

Must be why the Brevex action is preferred for building 505 Gibbs rifles.
From what I have heard, even the original magnum Mauser is a tight fit for a 505.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #234867 - 30/08/13 08:38 AM

Here is a in the white .416 Rigby working rifle built on a BREVEX 400 Magnum action.
These fine actions were made in Suresnes, France by Polonsky from mid fifties to mid sixties.
They were offered in two versions, the 300 model for .375 H&H Magnum rimless type cartridges and the 400 for the .416 Rigby and .505 Gibbs rounds.
They were the only true magnum Mauser type actions available to the trade in the years following WWII.
They are extremely tough and reliable but need much work.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: DORLEAC]
      #234870 - 30/08/13 11:27 AM

Thanks for all the information. I am fascinated by Mausers and all their variations, one of the greatest designs in firearms. Final question, when they built Mauser magnums at the plant why did they in many cases have the thumb cut in the left receiver wall? I don't know that many heavy caliber rifles that load with a stripper clip.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Don]
      #234886 - 30/08/13 06:01 PM

Two reasons for the thumb cut:
#1 Many user feel it is more comfortable to reload especially on a scoped rifle.
#2 Controlling hot gases in case of a ruptured shell was Mauser´s intention.

And last but not least a customer wants to have a cutout because most old british rifles had it.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: justcurious]
      #234887 - 30/08/13 06:27 PM

Excepting a few experimental K actions, all commercial Mauser actions, short, intermediate, standard or magnum length, round or square bridge, had thumb cuts and clip slots until the 1930s.As justcurious writes, the thumb cut was protected by Mauser as a means to gas escape in case of a blown primer or ruptured case. This was not so rare a occurence in the 1890. The Mauser action blows gas that has entered the bolt into the left side of the receiver, from where it it can escape through the generous opening of the "thumb cut" without doing harm. Gas that continues to the rear past the "thumb cut" is then taken care of by the gas flange on the bolt sleeve.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234889 - 30/08/13 07:40 PM

Love Mausers, just the best action that has never been improved upon. And I don't care who says different!

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Taylor416]
      #234895 - 30/08/13 09:26 PM

nice barreled action for a projekt in 8x57IS








http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4522102


in the first moment you have to look what it is, a mannlicher schönauer? a M 88 or a Suhl made derivative?
its a mini mauser 71 in 8,15x46R
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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234899 - 30/08/13 11:51 PM

Quote:

nice barreled action for a projekt in 8x57IS





The dovetail cut in the receiver ring of this World War I military action appears much too deep for safety. My guess is that it extends all the way into the upper locking lug recess. I have heard that such an action would not be accepted for proof today. If I remember correctly, it was this kind of action which P.O. Ackley utterly destroyed in one of his action strength tests.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #234912 - 31/08/13 04:31 AM

I was talking abou this with my old now retired gunmaker, old scholl master from suhl and very pernickety.
he had a good opinion about this saying it was not seeing as a problem for decades. if there was not the problem today with some proof houses- not all- he would not boggle to do it.
and it depends on the rifle or not? a stalking rifle making 20 shots a year with common loads will not explode so quickly

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234915 - 31/08/13 04:41 AM

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its a mini mauser 71 in 8,15x46R









Made in Zella-Mehlis and proofed by the proofhouse there in April 1913, gun number 877 of that month. Of the German proofhouses only Z-M stamped these ledger numbers. Chambered for the normalised version of the 8.15x46R.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #234920 - 31/08/13 05:07 AM

so there must have been a book once where every gun was listed? or do it exist?

nice little rifle for the roe deer

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #234926 - 31/08/13 07:45 AM

Quote:

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nice little rifle for the roe deer




Very interesting, but in my eyes it was nice once...
now destroyed by an unnecessary, too big and too modern scope, what a pity!

Let's wait for the result of the auction, I expect it will not bring more than the cost of the second-hand scope, the mount and the other renovations...maybe even less than that...no value of the rifle itself will be left.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: fuhrmann]
      #235332 - 09/09/13 04:02 AM

This rifle is outside in very bad condition but despite that IMO very interesting rifle, it seems to have a real K (short) action. Seller says that caliber is 6,5x54 MS but I suppose It would be 6,5x54 Mauser...

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #235345 - 09/09/13 01:34 PM

very sad

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #235351 - 09/09/13 08:19 PM

I have a kurz that has a replacement bolt made by shortening a regular bolt. The replacement bolt functions OK but is not as good as I would like. If some kind soul in Germany would like to buy this rifle to swap bolts and maybe other parts it could be made a mutually "good deal". For example a I have a pattern stock with a stockmaker who can duplicate.

If you are interested please email foveauxsailor@gmail.com

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Tentman]
      #235381 - 10/09/13 03:24 AM

you get a pm

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #235651 - 15/09/13 04:56 PM

Model 98 in 9,3x64
Büchsenmacher Walther Gernot, Kochel am See - engraved by Heinz Funk
Zeiss Diavari- Z T* 2,5-10x52 on claw mount












http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4571122

458 Win Mag by Harald Wolf,made in 1987
scope is a 1,1-4,5 x 20 Helia Karl Kahles Wien mit Absehen 4.













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #235653 - 15/09/13 06:25 PM

I´m not sure but IMO the last one is Winchester m70, not Mauser....?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #235660 - 15/09/13 09:31 PM

could be I am not so familar with this modern and outlandish stuff

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #235865 - 20/09/13 08:45 PM

Mauser 71/84 made in Spandau, an old sporter
11,15x60R





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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #235915 - 22/09/13 05:11 AM

The Walther Gernot has a very interesting safety. Shotgun tang style. Very very nice.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Tentman]
      #235949 - 23/09/13 02:47 AM

Quote:

I have a kurz that has a replacement bolt made by shortening a regular bolt. The replacement bolt functions OK but is not as good as I would like. If some kind soul in Germany would like to buy this rifle to swap bolts and maybe other parts it could be made a mutually "good deal". For example a I have a pattern stock with a stockmaker who can duplicate.

If you are interested please email foveauxsailor@gmail.com

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The auction is over and someone got a bargain. Anyone care to 'fess up?


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #235955 - 23/09/13 03:42 AM

I bought it for tentman and the bolt will make a very long journey
dont know what will happen with the rest of the rifle and yes very cheap

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Gen_Hicks]
      #235960 - 23/09/13 06:32 AM

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The Walther Gernot has a very interesting safety.



Just to straighten up things: The name of the man is Gernot Walther, not the other way around. He is known for many years as one of the best stockmakers in Germany. He stocked most, if not all, rifles for Hartmann & Weiss, Hamburg.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #235961 - 23/09/13 06:38 AM

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The auction is over and someone got a bargain. Anyone care to 'fess up?



Congratulations, Lancaster! Those steel Zeiss Zielvier scopes alone usually go for Euro 200.- to 300.- usually. If you see a problem in removing the soldered on scope mounts, email or phone me.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: DORLEAC]
      #235979 - 24/09/13 03:12 AM

What a stunner. I have never seen a better looking .416 Rigby. The lines are exquisite. I have a G&H .416 built on the Brevex action in 1982 and also an original pre-war Rigby from about 1918. Both are pictured in old posts somewhere here on the forum. Neither can hold a candle to this rifle.

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      #235980 - 24/09/13 03:26 AM

Quote:

Quote:

The auction is over and someone got a bargain. Anyone care to 'fess up?



Congratulations, Lancaster! Those steel Zeiss Zielvier scopes alone usually go for Euro 200.- to 300.- usually. If you see a problem in removing the soldered on scope mounts, email or phone me.




dont know how this story end, the rifle will go to my gunmaker to avoid any cost and problems with a gun licence. we will see if its necessary to have a export licence to send the bolt alone to new zealand. the future will show if there will be any use for the "rest".

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #235981 - 24/09/13 04:11 AM

Wow what a nice story for Tentman! It shows that gun collectors are true gentlemen.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Gen_Hicks]
      #235997 - 24/09/13 03:58 PM

Yes - Lancaster has been very very kind, as have many others on this and other forums, truly the internet has improved our ability to be good to each other.

There is still "some water to pass under the bridge" before I get the bolt but that is all I need from the deal so maybe other people looking of Kurz parts may also benefit from it.

Thanks Lancaster.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Tentman]
      #236025 - 25/09/13 07:04 AM

This is rifle what I like:

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #236065 - 26/09/13 05:01 AM

great rifle but belongs more into the Mannlicher Schönauer at auctions
could be a german gunmaker's work or an original hungarian sporting rifle anyway looks very, very desirable!

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #236072 - 26/09/13 06:42 AM

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great rifle but belongs more into the Mannlicher Schönauer at auctions



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #236542 - 09/10/13 04:29 AM

Stutzen in 9x57, number 85694
oal 102cm, barrel 52cm long
„E Kirchhoff Dieringhausen RHLD.“ on the barrel












http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4593422

nice rifle also in 9x57 Mauser with double set trigger, never had a scope mount before
would sayits made in Suhl/Zella Mehlis











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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #236570 - 10/10/13 04:20 AM

Kar 88 receiver I'm thinking. I have a similar old girl built in Suhl in 1921. Sweet handling rifle, one of my favorites. So light and handy.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Even]
      #236572 - 10/10/13 04:42 AM

No , thats not a Kar98 receiver. Standard Large Ring, but made up in the same manner.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: justcurious]
      #236587 - 10/10/13 02:55 PM

Pretty good looking 333 Jeffery on Gunbroker.
I need to look away...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=370081230

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      #236590 - 10/10/13 05:40 PM

Very nice Jeffery, indeed.

















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      #236644 - 13/10/13 08:12 PM

Quite rare "bird"; Haenel 8x57

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      #236645 - 13/10/13 08:39 PM

It's a Haenel Modell 1900, high grade St.P.No.9 With ribbed,half octogon barrel, matted and case hardened action, double set trigger. Made in small numbers only from 1900 to 1909. See "Der Waffenschmied # 33", A publication of the German Gun Collectors Association, www.germanguns.com

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      #236647 - 13/10/13 11:29 PM

wasnt enough for you igorrock to bring other people in temtation with the 98/40 sporter?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #237190 - 28/10/13 02:54 AM

Littlejohn Auctions has some nice Mausers in their next auction.

.275 Rigby
http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...m=9&lang=En

.333 Jeffery
http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...m=1&lang=En

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      #237192 - 28/10/13 03:54 AM

here are the pics

http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...m=9&lang=En
re-war J. J. Jeffery & Co. bolt action hunting rifle, finely engraved receiver, floor plate and trigger guard, .333 Jeffery cal., 24-1/2” barrel, blue finish, British proofed, hooded front sight, 5-stage rear sight with adjustable front stage, single trigger, sling swivels, checkered wood stock with checkered steel butt plate and 5-section cleaning rod in butt trap, accented ebony fore end cap, length of pull to end of butt plate is 14”, #23561. This gun is in overall fine condition showing the majority of its dark blue finish, with niter blue color on the extractor and exterior plate of the bolt release, fine bore, crisp action, sharp markings and fine wood stock with silver disc inlaid ebony semi-pistol grip end cap; as mentioned before, the engraving on this rifle is classic Germanic scroll and floral of the finest quality; the barrel has the QS trade mark and is of nickel steel construction. If you’re looking for a serious “old school” hunting rifle that will do the job, look no further. Est.: $5,500-$6,500.






http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...m=9&lang=En
Rigby bolt action rifle, .275 cal., 24-1/2” round barrel marked “John Rigby & Co. Sackville St. London”, built on a Mauser action, three stage rear sight (2 stages flip-up); receiver top with scope mount bases; blue finish, checkered wood stock, steel butt plate, sling swivel eyelets, single trigger, # 66963/5362, accompanied with fabric covered luggage style casing marked “BARON CEDERSTROM” displaying several partial old shipping labels; interior is green baize lined with John Rigby & Co. label, Instructions for Cleaning Rifle after Shooting label, compartments include a leather sling, an old jar of Vaseline Blue Seal Petroleum Jelly, a nickeled powder funnel, a two-piece cleaning rod, an ivory circular container with ivory screw cap, a tin bottle marked “Special Cleaning Fluid” and a matching tin bottle marked “Rangoon Oil”, both by Rigby & Co. (how neat is that!), a pull-thru cleaning brush for .275 in leather pouch, a small empty leather pouch and a leather carry pouch with Zeiss Jena scope marked “John Rigby & Co.” with mounts that fit this rifle’s mount bases, displaying fine optics and with leather sight covers. This finely made hunting rifle is in overall very good condition showing the majority of its old quality re-blue finish with a few minor small spots of erosion, fine bore, crisp action, sharp markings and overall very good wood stock with minor old scattered mars and scratches from carry and storage; steel plate re-enforced wrist. Baron Cederstrom had an interesting life having been born into a famous Swedish family who ran a Health Gymnastic Clinic in London. In 1899, he married a woman 19 years his senior and who owned a castle with large land holdings. The baron spent the following years hunting and fishing and performing in the theater with his wife until her death in 1919. He inherited her property and promptly put it up for sale with the castle bringing a price of 19,000 English pounds. Est.: $3,500-$7,000.













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #237196 - 28/10/13 04:56 AM

pre war Wilhelm Brennecke Leipzig long Stutzen in 7x64 with a VOIGTLÄNDER, Braunschweig PANSCOPAR 3,5-6x Abs. 1 on claw mount
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original mauser in 9,3x62 number 118561

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      #237198 - 28/10/13 05:13 AM

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4622836
original mauser in 9,3x62 number 104956, made around 1930
60 cm long octagonal barrel, with original rare stalking safety































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #237211 - 28/10/13 09:26 PM

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I will never understand what caused German gun makers to alter bolt handles in this hideous way, when they had a perfectly good example of what a flat bolt handle should look like in the Mannlicher Schoenauer and the Mauser Type M. This monstrosity looks to me as though it was simply heated red hot and hammered flat, with no effort made to create graceful lines. Then, in an attempt to hide the crime, a little metal checkering was added. I am equally at a loss as to why the gun buying public found this acceptable.


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      #237217 - 29/10/13 12:22 AM

Quote:

I am equally at a loss as to why the gun buying public found this acceptable.


IMO that´s easy way to make lower bolt handle. And I have to say I like their outlook. The fast loading ability are not allways a issue, depending what kind of hunting you mostly do.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #237220 - 29/10/13 01:18 AM

[quote IMO that´s easy way to make lower bolt handle. And I have to say I like their outlook. The fast loading ability are not allways a issue, depending what kind of hunting you mostly do.




This is definitely a quick and easy (and cheap) way of modifying a bolt. However, from the photos there is no indication that it made the handle any lower. The root of the bolt remains unaltered.

The scope is certainly mounted just as high as it would have been for an unaltered bolt.

Everything about this rifle says "class" from the stock wood, to the stock execution, to the engraving on the action and magazine cover, to the engraved name of the maker and the "Brenneke Hochleistungspatrone Kal. 7X64" marking on the barrel. Everything except the bolt handle, which really deserves the sobriquet "butter knife", since the flattened portion really is thin enough to cut with. Anyone who has used a Mannlicher Schoenauer, a Mauser Type M, or a BRNO 21/22 would immediately notice the difference.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #237223 - 29/10/13 03:26 AM

I always thought the spoon handle was for ease of cycling with bulky gloves on in cold weather hunting.
Of course, the set trigger arrangement belies that theory don't it...

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      #237225 - 29/10/13 04:53 AM

I don't object to that kind of bolt handle per se, as long as it looks like this:



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #237227 - 29/10/13 06:31 AM

BTW, all the prewar "Original Wilhelm Brenneke, Leipzig" bolt action rifles were in fact made for Brenneke by E.Schmidt & Habermann, Suhl. If you have a close look you will always find the small trademark Esha stamp on these "Brenneke" rifles. Most often it is under the barrel, sometimes even hidden below the magazine floorplate opening lever.
The Brenneke rifles even retain the Schmidt & Habermann serial numbers, often found on the rear sight base. Here is again the rear sight and serial number of the full-stocked "Brenneke" rifle shown above:



And here is the one on my Schmidt & Habermann M21 in 6.5x54 K Mauser:



As Schmidt & Habermann numbered all their guns in one consecutive series, regardless of type and model, both rifles are datable to 1922-3.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #237237 - 29/10/13 03:47 PM

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I will never understand what caused German gun makers to alter bolt handles in this hideous way, when they had a perfectly good example of what a flat bolt handle should look like in the Mannlicher Schoenauer and the Mauser Type M.




What xausa said (sort of...)

Regarding the "butter-knife" bolt-handle, it is my belief that they are inappropriate when the bolt-handle is attached behind the rear bridge, as on the Mausers pictured.

Having owned and hunted with MS rifles for several decades, frequently reloading at the shoulder in the thick of things, I have come to understand that the flat Mannlicher-style bolt-handle works by placing the thumb on the top of the "root" and lifting with the fingers. This is a piece of cake (and very fast!) if the handle is forward of a split-bridge, but not ergonomic at all if the rear mount-base, bolt-shroud flange, and cocking-piece safety are all conspiring to get in the way.

And don't get me started on the swept-back butter-knife bolt-handle demanded by the American market in the 1950s: utterly defeats the purpose, and of course, ultimately caused the demise of this marvelous genre of classic hunting rifles.

Just my humble opinion BTW, worth precisely what you paid for it.
Happy to consider thoughts and experiences from Mauser Type M users...?

As for the ugly(?) panel-beaten example discussed above, not my cup of tea at all I'm afraid.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Marrakai]
      #237238 - 29/10/13 04:00 PM

[quoteHaving owned and hunted with MS rifles for several decades, frequently reloading at the shoulder in the thick of things, I have come to understand that the flat Mannlicher-style bolt-handle works by placing the thumb on the top of the "root" and lifting with the fingers. This is a piece of cake (and very fast!) if the handle is forward of a split-bridge, but not ergonomic at all if the rear mount-base, bolt-shroud flange, and cocking-piece safety are all conspiring to get in the way.




How does this technique work with a scope mounted?


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #237239 - 29/10/13 04:09 PM

Rear mount on a Mannlicher, split-bridge Mauser or Commission rifle is usually a side-mount on left side. Doesn't get in the way on those I've fired belonging to friends, although my own examples are open-sighted.
The thumb doesn't want to stay on the bolt-handle 'root' once the bolt is lifted BTW.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Marrakai]
      #238102 - 21/11/13 05:54 AM

Some nice Mausers for sale in auction in Sweden



http://auctionet.com/sv/101287-116-kulge...se-nr-se0130509



http://auctionet.com/sv/101203-177-kulge.../images#image_1



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      #238209 - 22/11/13 09:14 PM

please dont forget the informations coming with this pics


101287. (116) KULGEVÄR, tyskt, Repeter, fabrikat Mauser Obendorf, modell 98, kaliber 6,5x55, tillv.nr 121799, se-nr SE0130509.



101203. (177) KULGEVÄR, tyskt, Repeter, fabrikat Mauser Obendorf, modell 98, kaliber 8x57, tillv.nr 11884, se-nr SE1058088.



103394. (179) KULGEVÄR, tyskt, Repeter, fabrikat Mauser Obendorf, modell 98, kaliber 8x60 Norm, tillv.nr 116677.

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      #238225 - 23/11/13 05:09 AM

good working gun in 9x57 Mauser





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      #238401 - 29/11/13 05:34 PM

10,75x68 single square bridge with original Mauser scope mount
old Zeiss zielvier and a Leupold 1,5-5x20
number 89936
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      #238405 - 29/11/13 08:26 PM

Here is a proper Type B Mauser built in 1924 complete with original factory scope and a working scope. A great bargain at it's current bid price.

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      #238411 - 30/11/13 01:08 AM

Urgh! The 8x60 Afrika model is sold! Did Dorleac buy it again?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Gen_Hicks]
      #238422 - 30/11/13 06:18 AM

first time on this forum.live in Sweden.
At last Widforss gun auction the 3 org mausers
Went at prices that sugests foreign buyers.
One of the guns was 6,5/55 with serial number 121799.
I have one exactly like with SN 121798.This makes them
Twins with consecutive SN.Mine was bought at Walther Borg
auction few years ago in Norrköping.
If You bought nr 121799 contact me I can be persuaded to
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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: korv]
      #238449 - 30/11/13 05:04 PM

The 8X60 African made AUD5K, apart from the recoil pad it looked excellent plus, anyone her buy it??

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      #239046 - 10/12/13 02:59 AM

Halger-Waffen, Kiel Mauser Magnum Squarebridge .280 Halger High Velocity Magnum

28 1/2" barrel of Krupp 3-ring steel with single standing express sight, ramp front sight, under-barrel recoil lug and barrel-band swivel. Banner Mauser Magnum Squarebridge action number 91291 built in 1924, all matching, with extended checkered bolt knob, case hardened bolt assembly, double set trigger, hinged straddle floorplate with release in trigger guard bow and both Greener-type safety and standard Mauser safety. Figured walnut stock with horn forend tip, horn heel and toe plates and beaded cheekpiece. Trapdoor pistol grip cap with extra front bead and sight hood. J P Sauer number 261986 on action and barrel, Halger number 177 on action and barrel. German pre-war commercial BUG proofs dated 1932. Weight: 9lbs, 6oz. Reputedly ex-Winchester Experimental Dept. collection. Beautiful mint original condition. $12,750.
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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #239367 - 16/12/13 08:45 PM

Europe and the UK seems like the place to be if you want to buy these types of rifles.

I have not seen any on Ozzie used guns. Or am I looking in the wrong place?

Some of the euro prices look reasonable. Hate to see what they would go for here.

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      #239637 - 21/12/13 07:15 AM

8x60S with post war scope mount and a leupold
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4687242
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a Emil Kerner/Suhl in 8x57I
52cm long octagonal in round krupp stahl barrel, rare Oigee Berlin Luxor on claw mount
a very typical Suhl made mauser from between the war's http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4693421













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      #240163 - 04/01/14 08:33 PM

Manufrance"Rival" rifle in 10,75x68

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      #241373 - 28/01/14 07:31 PM

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4781435

10,75x68, number 122831 made in 1939/40
double square bridge, octagonal barrel with tangent rear sight, action without thumb hole

BUT
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      #241429 - 29/01/14 05:41 PM

looks like a typical rifle made for the german market but with "Charles Lancaster, 7 Burry Street St.Jamess, London England For 256 Mauser Cartridge" on the barrel
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4770596
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      #242873 - 22/02/14 05:49 AM

from the upcoming Springer's /Vienna auction

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&filterArticles=1&filter_sale_type=4



John Rigby & Co - London‚ bolt action‚ Mauser 98
calibre: .375 H&H Mag., serial number: 3059, year of proof: 1983, barrel length: 23.5 inch, 4.00 kg / 8.82 lbs, 3/4 flag safety, single set trigger, oil finished stock, fore-end with ebony tip, Silver's rubber recoil pad, stock length: 14.2 inch, pistol grip, sights: express sight with additional folding leaves, Kahles Helia 6S2, German #4A, German claw mounts, Technical condition: 3

Mauser Oberndorf sporter action with long cocking piece and pear-shaped bolt handle, original Rigby patent peep sight mounted on cocking piece, maker's name engraved on barrel with the 72 St. James's Street address (until 1908), trigger guard engraved with Rigby serial No. 3059 of 1908, bolt handle struck with serial No. 4624 of 1920, apparently type A Mauser subsequently altered on the continent for the .375 H&H Mag.












repeating rifle‚ John Rigby & Co - London‚ bolt action‚ Mauser 98
calibre: .275 Rigby, serial number: 6758, year of proof: 1989, barrel length: 24.4 inch, 3.80 kg / 8.38 lbs, three stage safety, single set trigger, English scroll, oiled burr-walnut stock, Silver's rubber recoil pad, stock length: 14.8 inch, pistol grip, sights: express sight with additional folding leaves, Kahles Helia C 2.5-10x50, German #7A, Rigby side mounts, Technical condition: 3

Gold inlaid maker's name on barrel, sights and sling swivel on barrel bands, hinged sight hood, steel pistol grip cap with trap holding a spare bead, engraved with gold Ribgy initials, colour-hardened, engraved mounts, hinged magazine floorplate with release in trigger guard, gold stock oval initialised "RW", in original canvas gunslip, original Rigby sling, recoil pad in need of repair.










epeating rifle‚ Auguste Francotte - Liege‚ bolt action‚ Mauser 98
calibre: .458 Win. Mag., serial number: 21011, year of proof: moderner belgischer Beschuss, barrel length: 25.6 inch, 4.30 kg / 9.48 lbs, flag safety, adjusted direct trigger, oil finished stock, fore-end with buffalo horn tip, rubber recoil pad, stock length: 13.6 inch, pistol grip, sights: express sights with additional folding leaf, Technical condition: 3

Sights and sling swivel on barrel bands, and springs, bent bolt handle, elongated top tang, scroll-engraved hinged magazine floorplate with release in elongated trigger guard, steel pistol grip cap with hinged trap containing a spare bead.











repeating rifle‚ Dumoulin - Herstal‚ Mauser Magnum Double Square Bridge‚ Imperial Magnum
calibre: .505 Gibbs, serial number: 1607, year of proof: moderner belgischer Beschuss, barrel length: 25.6 inch, 4.50 kg / 9.92 lbs, three stage safety, adjusted direct trigger, oil finished stock, fore-end with ebony tip, rubber recoil pad, stock length: 13.4 inch, pistol grip, sights: express sights, Technical condition: 3

Sights and sling swivel on barrel bands, hinged night bead, circumpolished bolt, follower and springs, pestle-shaped bolt handle, hinged magazine floorplate with release in elongated trigger guard, double crossbolts, steel pistol grip cap.













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #243176 - 01/03/14 05:29 PM

a very nice Schüler rifle in 7x64 Brennecke with an interesting long stock, maybe to copy the "African Model"

http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4800859

































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #243528 - 08/03/14 10:34 PM

an interesting O.Geyger/Berlin(strong Suhl smell) mauser in 8x57IS by FeineJagdwaffen Nobert Wenniger
what can I say he had allways the best
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4848186






























thats again an evidense it was not the damned war which led into the devolution of the real and only good taste
a simple and nice 8x57IS probably build by an 98K action in 1957
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4844933
a model "Waidmannsfreund" made in Kreiensen make my think on the old firm Burgsmüller.
http://www.burgsmueller.de/en/About-us__3/ they dont make guns anymore
I would not wonder when "Waidmannsfreund" was an old, maybe pre WW 1, Burgsmüller trademark.





















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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #243551 - 09/03/14 12:26 PM

the 1957 proofed 8x57 JS sporter has the double set trigger mechanism installed into a military 98k first version WW2 stamped triggger guard (2nd version had no locking screw slot), not the thing you would normally expect on any one-off made rifle !

and that part appears to be mismatched to the serial of the rifle ?


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: aux44]
      #243685 - 12/03/14 07:07 PM

This rifle will be sold in Stockholm Walter Borg´s auction 13.04.2014

http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/V14/bilder/2522_2.jpg



"KULGEVÄR, Tyskt, cylinderrepeter, fabrikat: O.G. Scherell Berlin, modell 98 helstock, kal. 8x57, tillvnr. 23952, piplängd 55cm, halvoktagon pipa, klaffsikte, plundringsbart magasin, snälltryck, nätskuren helstockad kolv med pistolgrepp och kindstöd, hornbakkappa, rembyglar, hakmonterad tidsenligt kikarsikte av fabrikat D.R.G.M. Dr. Walter Gerard Charlottenburg i fyrfots hakmontage, mindre skador i övrigt Gott skick.
Utropspris: 1000 - 2000 SEK"


Rifle, German, bolt action, maker: O.G. Scherell Berlin, mod. 98 whole stock, cal. 8x57, serial number 23952, octagonal to round barrel lenght 55 cm, falling rear sight, magazine with lever opening bottom plate, double set trigger, checkered wooden stock, horn butt plate, sling swivels, periodical scope fabrikat D.R.G.M. Dr. Walter Gerard Charlottenburg with german type hook mounts, some small blemishes but overall in good condition.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #243791 - 14/03/14 10:24 AM

A Rigby Mauser in .275 Rigby aka 7x57 rifle offered for sale on egun: http://www.egunner.de/market/item.php?id=4599625
According to the seller bought in the early 1990s from Rigby, then still London, Paul Roberts era. Receiver ring inscribed : Sighted for Rigby's spezial High Velocity 275 bore cartridge pointed bullet 140 gns . Mounted with a 1960s Hensold/Zeiss West 4x32 Diasta D scope on a German EAW side mount.
Apparently heavily reworked, refinished and recheckered. The bolt handle at least is a replacement IMHO, as it has a round military knob, not the teardrop shape of the advertized "last before WW1" time. The cocking piece is also a replacement, as it is the short military type. asking price: Euro 4400.-, about $ 5940.-










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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #243855 - 15/03/14 10:16 PM

BTW, that 8x57IS "Waidmannsfreund", Kreiensen rifle sold for Euro 115.13, about US$ 155.- + s&h.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #243875 - 16/03/14 06:38 AM

yes this rifle gone very cheap
I hope it dont fell in the hands of a butcher
the more I look at the pics the more I like it, simple and perfect beauty.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #243978 - 18/03/14 08:22 AM

Gentlemen

That Rigby 375 belonging to my friend has been loaded to Gun Auctions (www.gunauctions.com.au)

375H&H - J. Rigby Auction Sale

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #245145 - 06/04/14 09:39 PM

Mauser with interesting history and caliber 11,2 x 72 Schüler:













http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4893203

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #245146 - 06/04/14 09:49 PM

damned, I know this would happen
looks like a good deal, cant say how long I can live without a 11,2x72

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #245148 - 06/04/14 10:06 PM

You absolutely need that rifle, those wild boars are really big and dangerous in yours home district....

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #245261 - 09/04/14 05:16 AM

In Walter Borg´s auction Stockholm in 13.4.2014:
http://www.walterborg.se/auktion/index.html

Mauser, modell 420B, cal. .22 LR


Mauser, modell 410B, cal. .22 LR


Imman Meffert Suhl, modell 88, cal. 8x57


C.R Schilling, modell 88, cal. 8x57


C.R Schilling- Suhl, modell 88, cal. 8x57


Mauser Oberndorf, modell 98 typ B, cal. 8x57


O.G. Scherell Berlin, modell 98 helstock, cal. 8x57 I (7,7mm)


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #245576 - 12/04/14 01:29 PM

Stutzen Nr. Nr. 126673 in 8x57IS with a Ajack 4x90 on SEM



in the upcoming Hermann Historica auction
http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/onlinekatalogeneu/schusswaffenneu.html

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #246719 - 30/04/14 11:15 AM

Although not a sporting rifle,
Quite a neat Oberndorf Mauser here:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Mauser-...un_id=100440368

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Huvius]
      #246766 - 01/05/14 05:34 AM

Quote:

Although not a sporting rifle,
Quite a neat Oberndorf Mauser here:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Mauser-...un_id=100440368




I think they are sporting rifles too



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #246952 - 04/05/14 03:12 PM

will be a nice project and probably sell cheap because the seller describe it as "broken" what is maybe not the case
a Christoph Funk in Suhl 8x60 with Hensoldt Dialythan on claw mount
barrel octagonal in round
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4931373


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      #247836 - 24/05/14 10:04 PM

Sale A0614 Lot 1122



HENRI DUMOULIN & FILS
A LITTLE USED .505 GIBBS 'IMPERIAL MAGNUM' BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 15022,
22 7/8in. heavy nitro barrel engraved in script 'HENRI DUMOULIN & FILS. HERSTAL. BELGIUM. CALIBER .505 GIBBS.', matt sight rib with open sights, ramp-mounted bead fore-sight, receiver engraved 'Imperial Magnum', three position safety with gold-inlaid 'SAFE' detail, recoil blocks, hinged floorplate with push button release, well-figured tiger stripe pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, steel pistolgrip-cap (with trap), sling eyes, 14 3/8in. pull including 1in. rubber recoil pad

Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.

Estimate £4,000-6,000
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...6&saletype=

Sale A0614 Lot 1123



'IN MEMORIAM H. RAUCH'
A FINE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED 8X57IS MAUSER ACTION TAKE-DOWN BOLT-MAGAZINE SPORTING RIFLE, serial no. 1260,
22 1/4in. nitro reproved barrel gold-inlaid 'CAL. 8X57IS NR.1260', block-mounted folding leaf sights with gold-inlaid sight lines, finely-engraved ramp-mounted gold bead fore-sight, the receiver (with thumb cutout) mounted with a Zeiss Victory HT2.5-10x50 telescopic sight in quickly-detachable mounts, fine bordering acanthus scroll engraving, screw heads finely engraved with floral designs, the bolt handle with fine chequered oval panels and central gold-highlighted flower head, gold-inlaid 'F' detail, floral engraved recoil block, hinged straddle floorplate with push button release, further fine acanthus scroll engraving and gold-inlaid 'IN MEMORIAM H. RAUCH', the receiver, bolt and furniture retaining virtually full colour-hardened finish, highly-figured pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, engraved and colour-hardened steel pistolgrip-cap, sling eyes, horn finial, 14 3/8in. pull including partially ribbed, colour-hardened steel buttplate

Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.

Estimate £6,000-8,000
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...8&saletype=

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #248281 - 01/06/14 10:52 PM

because we had it four weeks ago here is another Whitworth/Interarms express rifle in .375 H&H for sale. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=245999&an=0&page=0#Post245999



http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4889146&PHPSESSID=4266a76c04feae66f82f219b59a423c0

























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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #248757 - 10/06/14 08:58 AM

Quote:

Quote:

question is what is was before
9,3x64 dont fit in the magazin when it was in the 8x57 class before.



CIP max cartridge oal is 85.6 mm for the 9.3x64. Jon Speed, Mauser OOSR, gives the factory magazine dimensions of commercial Oberndorf sporting rifles. 8x60, 9x57, 10.75x68 = 84mm oal. 9.3x62 = 85mm. .30-06, 7x64, 8x64 = 88mm (opened up to the front), .318, .333J, 9.3x64 = 92mm (opened up front and rear). IMHO a 9.3x64 with the bullet seated to 85.6mm CIP oal will quite well through an 88mm magazine. Even an 84mm box can be filed ot front and rear to take the 9.3x64. Of course, such a magzine will take only three of the fatter cartridges. Post WW2 many standard length ex-military 98 actions and magazines were opened up to take even the .375 H&H. Even the FN/Browning so-called "Magnum" action is merely an opened up standard length one. Mauser themselves used Magnum length actions with a 95mm mag for such numbers.
BTW that 9.4x64 rifle sold for EURO 514.99, about $ 670.-. Here are some auction photos:



IMHO the design is influenced by Art Alphin's A-Square "Hannibal" rifles of years gone by.






The above photos are the "BEFORE". These represent the "AFTER"







Master gunsmith Torsten Retz of Suhl worked his magic on the much neglected rifle and before too long I should have it in my hands.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #248773 - 10/06/14 07:18 PM

Looks better ! By the way, what happens to the old magazine and stock ?

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #248778 - 10/06/14 09:07 PM

Quote:

By the way, what happens to the old magazine and stock ?




I still have them. I may find a use for the bottom metal and triggers, but the stock is available.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #249060 - 15/06/14 10:23 PM

became a nice mauser now
do you need the stock for the upcoming heating period igorrock?


a 9x57 , serial number 92761 made in 1925






























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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #249064 - 15/06/14 11:04 PM

Yes, very nice Mauser indeed ! Magazine bottom plate looks interesting, have never seen such a step with lever.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #249072 - 16/06/14 01:51 AM

Quote:

Magazine bottom plate looks interesting, have never seen such a step with lever.



All Mauser, Oberndorf, factory lever release floorplates have this "step". It limits lever travel.


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: kuduae]
      #249074 - 16/06/14 02:57 AM

Ok, haven´t just noticed it before.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #249126 - 17/06/14 05:38 AM

First time I see scope mount being dove-tailed into the barrel rib!!

Nice rifle though. There is a re-newed interest in the 9x57 suddenly here in SA


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Gen_Hicks]
      #249240 - 19/06/14 09:44 PM

Schilling /Suhl 8x57I with a Fuess/Berlin Steglitz Helios 5a 5x scope

http://www.waffenhandelimspessart.de/ind...&Itemid=111



















































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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #249242 - 20/06/14 12:26 AM

This is quite similar but seems that it has SAKO -standart scope mounts:

9,3x57 Julius Hessmer/Hoflieferant Berlin











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      #249667 - 29/06/14 03:32 AM

I would like to own this, but.....













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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Caprivi]
      #250069 - 06/07/14 09:22 PM

I recently placed my guild Mauser up for auction on Gunbroker ------------ GeezerD

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=426341476


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: Igorrock]
      #250323 - 12/07/14 07:58 AM

I find this auction a little suspicious. The seller has a history of selling starter pistols and other similar merchandise all for under 50.00 Euros, then all of a sudden he has this rifle, and doesn't even know how to describe it.

Now there are only two parties bidding, and one of them has a history of only a total of two purchases on eGun. It reminds me of the shenanigans which went on with my 9.3X64 before I finally struck a deal with the seller outside the auction. He had run the price up with a stooge three times before he finally agreed to sell at a reasonable price.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #251418 - 01/08/14 11:33 PM

Sauer&Sohn/Suhl in 9x57
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5024820










"Kal. Mod. 88 9mm" thats maybe a little bit confusing for the beginner who may think the Mod. 98 sporting rifle is named as Mod. 88



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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: lancaster]
      #251475 - 03/08/14 08:11 AM

Three Model 1922 Newton Mauser rifles were auctioned off at the same auction today, the most expensive going for $1500, a steal in my opinion, considering that there were only 100 of them originally in existance. Here is the listing for the most expensive one.

http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/newton-model-1922-mauser-bolt-action-rifle-639-c-f3a9d17662


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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: xausa]
      #251489 - 03/08/14 11:56 AM

Bill: Another interesting rifle in the Amoskeag auction was lot #220, a very early factory Kurz action 8x51 Mauser built in 1902. This is one of the earliest one's I've seen offered for sale. I stopped by to personally inspect lot #54, the Fred Adolph Kurz Mauser described as a 25 Adolph Express. Unfortunately, it was much modified by some Bubba and the value was destroyed. The present caliber is anyone's guess but it's certainly NOT a 25 Adolph Express.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: dons]
      #251491 - 03/08/14 12:31 PM

Don,

Did you look at lot # 51, the custom kurz Mauser in .250 Sav., by any chance?

How did it look?

The description said it is a "fairly well-executed rifle", or something like that.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: redoak]
      #251492 - 03/08/14 12:39 PM

redoak: Sorry, Item 51 was not on my check list of rifles to inspect.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: dons]
      #251505 - 03/08/14 09:19 PM

redoak,,,my friend malcolm macgregor built that rifle ..i hung with him at the auction yesterday hes from new hampshire and an appraiser for julias auctioneers he does pretty good work ,,hes also been dealing in mauser type rifles since before i met him over 30 years ago ,,he paid 7500$ for the 35 rem, squarebridge griffin that was there ,,the adolph kurz that don mentions sold for 3750$,,im pretty sure lot #220 sold for 6500$ ,,,,,,there are some real nice rifles coming up in the next amoskeag auction ,,a lot of mike petrovs stuff.....paul

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: pjaln]
      #251513 - 04/08/14 12:38 AM

Interesting. I made an absentee bid of 7.5k for the Griffin .35 Rem 2 or 3 weeks ago. I followed the auction online and it showed a hammer price of 6.5k when the lot came up so was feeling pretty good. I later rechecked and it showed a hammer price of 7.5k. I guess I was caught by the 'tie goes to the floor' rule. I should have been more aggressive or bid by phone. Those rifles don't often come to market ... and .... I wanted one of Stretch Kennedy's guns.

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      #251515 - 04/08/14 02:04 AM

mckinney did u go there and handle the rifle at preview ?...paul

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: pjaln]
      #251516 - 04/08/14 02:26 AM

Paul - no, I'm out of the country so was just going based on the photos and description.

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Re: Mauser rifles at auctions [Re: mckinney]
      #251517 - 04/08/14 02:50 AM