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Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter
#202425 - 13/02/12 11:57 PM

IF you were to have commisioned a new Mauser sporter in the old Rigby tradition, whos the best bet nowadays? You know what I mean, 7x57, Open sights, light and handy rifle for quick shots.

I`d give Rigby a call but it seems like they are in a bit of a mess with naming rights, so I dont know about the quality anymore?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202426 - 14/02/12 12:00 AM

I'd go Holland and Holland, partly because I already have one with QD Mounts and Scope and I have not seen a Rigby as good.

That's not to say that a Rigby isn't out there that is as good, just my gun is so well balanced and smooth.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 500Nitro]
#202434 - 14/02/12 02:40 AM

Thanks for the reply! however at 22.000 and up they are a bit outside my budget.
I see Westley richards start off at 12.000 and Jeffery start off at 5000. Anyone have any experience with these?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202444 - 14/02/12 05:30 AM

Check:

http://www.feine-jagdwaffen.de/cms/index.php?id=6,0,0,1,0,0

http://www.hartmannandweiss.com/en/bolt-action-rifles.php

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 93mouse]
#202445 - 14/02/12 05:44 AM

Fontain, you brought up the FNZ and prechtl Golmatic, I think you said the Golmatic costs $4000 approx, go from there and build your own, will cost you less than 12k GBP assuming you don´t want extreme engraving ! Just a thought, best, Mike

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#202448 - 14/02/12 06:23 AM

Fontainbleu

Sorry, I thought we were talking Hypothetical.

I don't know the modern Jeffrey's so can't comment.

WR have always made nice Bolt Action rifles.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 500Nitro]
#202451 - 14/02/12 07:51 AM

Mike, Golmatic dont offer them in left - otherwise I would be over them like a fat chick over a bag of crisps. The 4000 dollars quoted is for the action and nothing else by the way, not even the barrel.

Edited by Fontainebleu (14/02/12 07:55 AM)

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202471 - 14/02/12 01:54 PM

JOEL DORLEAC ....PERIOD....PAUL

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202504 - 15/02/12 12:07 AM

They look nice. However, they are priced on par with Westley Richards and Gibbs rifles.
For that price, they better be good - as they are not english..

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202540 - 15/02/12 03:15 PM

joel dorleac is building the only gun that has the same lines as an early rigby ,,look at there trigger guards ,,and bottom metal ,,look at the wood treatment on the bolt side of any of there guns ,,the comb ,the grip area,,the in house built rear sight base ,,how the bolts are left just like the early rigbys,,,i like westleys and they would be a close second but i dont like the trigger guards and the profiling around the bolt stop if i were to have westleys make a gun for me it would have to be on there older best quality style with raised side panels checkered and all ,,anyway if you havent already go to dorleacs site and look at the steps of fabrication ....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202577 - 15/02/12 10:14 PM

Pjaln, I read this article:

http://www.africanhuntinggazette.com/ind...6&Itemid=25

Which got me thinking.

Ron Wharton of Rigby makes these as well, Ive already spoken to him about it.
I will give dorleac a call also.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202580 - 15/02/12 11:31 PM

Fontainebleu, don´t go to Rigby.

(or the one that purports to be). Give Dorleac a call, best

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#202588 - 16/02/12 12:28 AM

Mike, Im interested as to why you think that - they seem like excellent gunmakers. At least Bill Clinton and George Bush seem to think so, they both have Wharton guns.

As always I am open to enlightenment and I am by no means set in my opinions.
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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202589 - 16/02/12 12:29 AM

Just for clarification, its former rigby employees of which I talk. Not the absolute sham that is Rigby California. I`d steer well clear of them. regards.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202592 - 16/02/12 02:54 AM

If I were looking for as close to a Rigby as I could get I would commission Lon Paul at Tanglewood guns to build one. he had one at SCI two years ago and Paul Roberts actually thought it was a Rigby until he read Lon's name on the barrel.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 458Win]
#202601 - 16/02/12 04:37 AM

i think the british have been away from there original lines of rifles for a while now ,,there are some makers in the states that have a better sense of what is traditional english in the prewar style,,,and without a doubt joel dorleac knows the style,,hartman weiss another,,martin hagn lon paul puts out a nice gun tho im not crazy about the xtra large rear square bridge that are on some of his examples ,,, on the other hand i guess if you specify as close as possible what u want it still is nice to have a well known british firms name on the barrel be it jeffery,gibbs,roberts evans,churchill,westley,holland or andersen wheeler,,ive held a 375 fraser that was built about 1987 it was horribly balanced ugly looking stock and a longish forend that didnt look like anything fraser ever produced the gun bopped around for years last time i held it at cabelas in maine appro. 3 years ago ,, also i wouldnt use a new action like some of the new mag mausers by GMA that did not have a thumb cut it looks too modern ,,when you think of it traditional rigby rifles should be easy for any accomplished gunsmith ...no horn tip,no grip cap,not too fancy wood,military bottom metal reworked(if its a 275) esay checkering pattern simple block front sight ,hard rubber pad or trap butt .... its a hell of a lot more work to copy any prewar jp sauer ....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202602 - 16/02/12 04:51 AM

Fontain, I was talking about Rigby Calif, best

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#202607 - 16/02/12 05:17 AM

Paul and Mike ( and the rest of you), this article was kind of what got my thoughts flying regarding such a rifle:

http://www.africanhuntinggazette.com/ind...6&Itemid=25

Dorleacs have a 2 year build time, so Im not sure if I want to wait that long...
Im sure there are loads of makers who can make such a rifle, but there seem to be a few ex-employees of rigby who have specialized in making just these guns, suchs as Gibbs and Ron Wharton.

Am I crazy to feel a bit inclined towards having such a rifle built in england and stamped/approved in London?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202610 - 16/02/12 05:36 AM

Fontainebleu,
Sounds to me that you really want a vintage Rigby.
Call Joe Salter immediately if you want the best .275 Rigby readily available.
The real deal and no wait!

http://www.joesalter.com/

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Edited by Huvius (16/02/12 05:37 AM)

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Huvius]
#202612 - 16/02/12 06:13 AM

Huvius, Im a left-handed shooter! Thats the problem and hence why there is probably little way around commisioning a new one.. or am I wrong?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202615 - 16/02/12 07:00 AM

Ahhhh, I see.

A friend of mine has ordered a left handed Newton Leverbolt from Harald Wolf in the classic British style.
A very neat gun.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Huvius]
#202616 - 16/02/12 07:45 AM

Hartmann und Weiss ober alles!!.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: rigbymauser]
#202650 - 16/02/12 12:15 PM

go to todd ramirez site ,,i think its customguns.com look at the rifle built for craig boddington it was donre in rigby fashion .. i tried to post a pic but its not happening....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202653 - 16/02/12 12:39 PM

I'd go back to our own AFRO408

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: tophet1]
#202660 - 16/02/12 02:34 PM

go to reto beuhlers site he represents jeffery in the states there are pics of some new jeffery rifles that look quite nice....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202897 - 19/02/12 05:59 AM

Quote:

go to reto beuhlers site he represents jeffery in the states there are pics of some new jeffery rifles that look quite nice....paul

+1 on this...

http://www.customsportingarms.com/BuehlerRigby.html

And his pricing seems to be very reasonable.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Wes350]
#202904 - 19/02/12 10:12 AM

He uses Granite Mountain arms actions though...investment castings...

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202907 - 19/02/12 10:59 AM

im pretty sure that 350 is owned by huvius now,,,im not gone over the GMA action the bolt handle shoulder is too close to the stock ,i like it more broader like the original oberndorf and there is way too much stuff going on with the square bridges im actually done with square bridges especially on the front ring ....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202911 - 19/02/12 11:34 AM

Pjaln, what do you think about the dakota 76? The action seems to combine the best from the M70, pre65 and the mauser.

Also, their stocks look quite good.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202915 - 19/02/12 12:21 PM

Quote:

Pjaln, what do you think about the dakota 76? The action seems to combine the best from the M70, pre65 and the mauser.

Also, their stocks look quite good.

I had a chance to look at and handle quite a few of these lately. They are above the standard rifle Winchester is offering but far short of a London gun. I had heard a lot of praise and they photograph well. I was disappointed in what I saw but that is because I had a preconceived notion of what they would be and, it turns out, I was expecting too much. They look like well built utilitarian rifles but I think they are overpriced for what they are.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202917 - 19/02/12 12:58 PM

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He uses Granite Mountain arms actions though...investment castings...

They don't look investment cast to me.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Grenadier]
#202926 - 19/02/12 02:22 PM

Seems so.
8500 dollars for a custom-made rifle is not that much more than a 5500 dollar dakota.
Certainly decent value. I was quoted 28.000 dollars for a new westley richards. while it may be better, its not 20 grand better.

How does rito buehler handle payment? 1/3rd at order, 1/3rd close to finish and 1/3rd at delivery?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202933 - 19/02/12 04:07 PM

i would only use a new made magnum action only if it were to be a big caliber 416 and up ,if you are thinking 275 then i would start with a 1909 or vz24 whatever can be had ,naturally an oberndorf would be nice ,,again look to see what dorleac is using for most of his rifles ....you,ll see mostly military actions,,,....personally i think for 8500 a close copy of a 275 rigby can be built ,,remember now,,no forend tip,,grip cap optional(tho i,d probably put one with a trap),and its possible to just rework existing military trigger guard,floorplate,thin rubber pad ,decent but not overly fancy wood,, cheekpiece ???..and your right the semi custom off the rack guns like dakota,kimber ,cooper blaser are pushing 5k or better ,,,now as a sidebar if you are going to build a copy of a rigby then dont deviate from it at all ..my thoughts are if it looks like a clone it should keep its resale value up as long as the work is done right (fit and finish) ...who wouldnt want a copy of a 1906 rigby ....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202962 - 19/02/12 09:03 PM

Pjaln, keep in mind I am a left-handed shooter. There is simply no way around a new action.
Do you have a mail adress I can reach you at. Would love some help with speccing up the rifle in terms of look and accessories with you, if you have the time or/and can be bothered

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202965 - 20/02/12 12:25 AM

i guess you are looking to make a left handed rigby ,,did you go to todd ramirez site and see the lefty he made for craig boddington ,,not a bad copy of a rigby style ,you wouldnt be far from what you see there ,,things i would change are ,,barrel contour ,barrel band for sling ,and front site ,these 3 items look americanized on this gun ,but i do like the stock,, and the pistol grip area looks good,as well as the forend thats important ,,the rigy style on the bolt handle side of the gun is important not many prewar makers paid the attention to the sculpting as rigby did ....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#202995 - 20/02/12 08:30 AM

I did, it looks nice. I also recieved a mail from Dorleac&Dorleac as I requested an offer from them.

Dear Axel,

We have studied the price for building you a “Rigby style working rifle” on a left hand FZH action with standard commercial Mauser C type magazine box.
We can nearly duplicate a pre-WWI rifle and make it as per you needs and specifications with classic express sight and a Rigby peep fitted to the bolt.
For the butt plate we think that a thin soft one would be the best choice for such a rifle intended to be used under all conditions.
For the same reasons, for a bead bead we will prefer to use a more sturdy “caterpillar” gold beaded one.
French walnut will be used for stocking the rifle and we need to know your choice about the grip form (rounded or steel caped) and your preferred LOP.
Based on the above specifications, our best offer is a 9.800 US dollars net end price with a 18 months delivery time.
Our conditions are as follow: 30% with your order, 20% at the proofing in the white, balance at delivery.

Best regards.

Joel Dorleac

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#202996 - 20/02/12 08:32 AM

I am not sure how Dorleac&Dorleac measures up to a Todd Ramirez or Reto beuhler though.
But they sure look nice.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#203002 - 20/02/12 11:42 AM

for 9800 i would let them get going on it,,i think they make the best rifles out there look at the bottom metal that they made for one of there guns on there site under pre owned i think it was a 9.3x62 it has drop box style like the westley 425 and it was built on a 1908 dwm,,they wont need to be hand held thru the process,,that guns looks prewar british like no other look at the scope mounts ,,it would be hard pressed to get them built anywhere they are a holland style ...paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#203041 - 20/02/12 10:06 PM

Well best out there, thats supposed to be H&H isnt it. At least according to the majority of the gunmakers at the SC, they all held H&H up as the "standard" basically...

I am not sure if a Dorleac&Dorleac would hold its value as well as say a... Gibbs or a WJ/Jeffery, but then again I am gonna hunt the crap out of it, so I guess it will be well-used by the time im 30 anyway..

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#203078 - 21/02/12 06:11 AM

Hi Fontainebleau, (..a very nice French castle and hunting place!)

Please, have a look at: http://www.finegunmaking.com/page48/page53/page53.html
That will give you an idea of what we mean when we speak about Rigby type light stalking rifle.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: DORLEAC]
#203082 - 21/02/12 06:22 AM

Looks fantastic.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#203088 - 21/02/12 08:21 AM

On Steve Dodd Hughes page !! guess they are friends

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203092 - 21/02/12 09:25 AM

You can learn more about the building of that rifle on our web site at: http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/pgs_fr/etapes.php?codec=C001
If nothing goes wrong, I hope to get the rifle completed before mid 2012.
Don't forget that we are a very small team of three gunsmiths only and that we are never satisfied with our work, always thinking that we could have been done it better !
Sorry for my bad English, gentlemen.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: DORLEAC]
#203118 - 21/02/12 02:11 PM

I don't need much more convincing!
BTW a couple things. That actually isn't my 350. Mine was owned by Sterling Davenport for 20yrs or so prior to my buying it from him.
And, if a decent Oberndorf action is needed by anybody, take a look at the couple Oberndorfs that Ralf Martini has. Now, I am no fan of breaking up an original Oberndorf sporter but the prices on these are very tempting and if it is to be reincarnated, I am sure it wouldn't complain about becoming a beauty such as the Dorleac rifles!

Scroll way down the page. Three for +/- $1K a piece.
http://www.martiniandhagngunmakers.com/forsale_rifles.htm

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Huvius]
#203135 - 21/02/12 06:07 PM

Notice that the action we have used here is an Intermediate one, as on the pre WW1 Rigby.
They are much harder to come than standard length actions.
Here you can see some of the Mauser systems we use after blue printing and preparation: http://www.dorleac-dorleac.com/pgs_fr/etapes.php?codec=A001
Thanks for your support.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: DORLEAC]
#203141 - 21/02/12 07:22 PM

Huvius, when you look at that site you do start to wonder if it is worth buying a new rifle, some value there indeed ! best

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203180 - 22/02/12 01:17 AM

i doubt if they will depriciate at all....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#203187 - 22/02/12 02:25 AM

Quote:

Huvius, when you look at that site you do start to wonder if it is worth buying a new rifle, some value there indeed ! best

Personally, I never thought there was any need to have a new rifle, especially at the cost, although the quote above from Dorleac looks to be quite reasonable as far as new custom builds go.

True too, Martini tends to price his stock more or less right where it should be. Good to deal with too.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Huvius]
#203194 - 22/02/12 03:58 AM

the 9.3x 62 for sale on his site thats pre -owned looks as good or better than anything that ever came out of holland n holland ...paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: DORLEAC]
#203265 - 22/02/12 04:50 PM

Joel,

My apologies - I have not been able to convert the pictures that you sent me and post them here. I shall consult with a friend and find a way to post them very shortly.

My apologies again.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: mehulkamdar]
#203308 - 22/02/12 11:07 PM

A .275 HV Rigby rifle, made circa 1911 on Original Mauser Intermediate action for Admiral Sir Roger John Brownslow Keyes.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: DORLEAC]
#203327 - 23/02/12 02:31 AM

That is a real beauty, and in great condition as well. I like the short foreend on early Rigbys. A great design to copy.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Clark]
#203337 - 23/02/12 04:55 AM

I hope you can forgive me when I open a can of worms here.

I don´t like the short foreend at all.

Aesthetically it looks like a rectal syringe and functionally it´s design came from the shotgun.

Rifle shooting demands a more stable position than the snap shooting capability of a shotgun.

Even Rigby´s corrected that on later produced rifles.

Nevertheless the rifle in concern is a beautyful specimen for the art of riflemaking
in those days.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: justcurious]
#203341 - 23/02/12 05:48 AM

Other than the rear sight being too close to the action, it's quite nice - lovely, in fact. The short, fast/handling-appearing design rather appeals to me.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#203348 - 23/02/12 07:13 AM

Fontainebleu: If Joel Dorleac can build you a pre-WWI style 275 Rigby rifle (such as the one shown above) for under 10K USD, I can't understand why you would hesitate. JMHO

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: dons]
#203350 - 23/02/12 07:48 AM

Foutainbleu: I know the desire to build on a custom action! I have done the calculation time and time again.

Also, the fact that you are a leftie, does not allow you to take advantage of all the pre-owned and cheap mausers out there.

I would suggest you look into the Zastava M-70 action, Jaktdepotet is selling. They sell Lefti mausers.
Now, its most definatly not a Custom action, but if you spend 10-15.000 NOK slicking it up, polishing everything that need polishing, removing writing, 3p safety, new trigger, new bottom metall.. Now, you are almost 1/2 off a new one. And the only thing missing is the C-ring feature!

Just a thought.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Northman]
#203351 - 23/02/12 07:55 AM

Northman

That is a very good point - re using the Zastava left hand actions as the basis for a custom.

I haven't seen the latest Zastava's, but the feedback from the first shipment that arrived was excellent and I think they have potential.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Northman]
#203353 - 23/02/12 08:21 AM

Quote:

Foutainbleu: I know the desire to build on a custom action! I have done the calculation time and time again.

Also, the fact that you are a leftie, does not allow you to take advantage of all the pre-owned and cheap mausers out there.

I would suggest you look into the Zastava M-70 action, Jaktdepotet is selling. They sell Lefti mausers.
Now, its most definatly not a Custom action, but if you spend 10-15.000 NOK slicking it up, polishing everything that need polishing, removing writing, 3p safety, new trigger, new bottom metall.. Now, you are almost 1/2 off a new one. And the only thing missing is the C-ring feature!

Just a thought.

Its not a bad idea and i have concidered it. However, for the price Im thinking about spending, Id rather just buy a FZH-based action from the get-go.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: justcurious]
#203354 - 23/02/12 08:21 AM

Quote:

I hope you can forgive me when I open a can of worms here.

I don´t like the short foreend at all.

Aesthetically it looks like a rectal syringe and functionally it´s design came from the shotgun.

Rifle shooting demands a more stable position than the snap shooting capability of a shotgun.

Even Rigby´s corrected that on later produced rifles.

Nevertheless the rifle in concern is a beautyful specimen for the art of riflemaking
in those days.

Interesting point of view. Anyone else feel the Rigby-design is inherently flawed?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#203356 - 23/02/12 08:28 AM

I don't think it is as aesthetically pleasing as others like my H&H 7X57. I have never liked long barrels, short fore ends, even on modern guns.

But it is all personal choice. The guns still shoot and function.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: justcurious]
#203362 - 23/02/12 08:40 AM

Quote:

I hope you can forgive me when I open a can of worms here.

I don´t like the short foreend at all.

Aesthetically it looks like a rectal syringe and functionally it´s design came from the shotgun.

Rifle shooting demands a more stable position than the snap shooting capability of a shotgun.

Even Rigby´s corrected that on later produced rifles.

Nevertheless the rifle in concern is a beautyful specimen for the art of riflemaking
in those days.

There certainly is no accounting for taste and in today's world you are correct that most folks don't shoot quickly off-hand like shotgun shooters, but that is exactly what the early Rigby and other English rifle were designed to do. Their balance and hang is way different than most rifles made today. Just as the English SxS shotguns designed for game are way different than todays trap and sporting clays guns.

Here are a couple photos of the Rigby style rifle, built by Lon Paul, that Paul Roberts thought was an early original Rigby, even when he had it in hand.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 458Win]
#203374 - 23/02/12 10:21 AM

lon paul did a nice job, i especially like the engraving and rib ,,i,ll bet that gun doesnt feel any more than a 30.06 in your hand....i think we need a new thread on forends!!! long,short ,thick and thin!!!!.....paul

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: pjaln]
#203376 - 23/02/12 10:29 AM

Long or short - they all work

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 458Win]
#203392 - 23/02/12 12:39 PM

I love the rigby sling!

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#203520 - 24/02/12 08:07 AM

Rigby did know a thing or two about how to build a hunters rifle

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: 458Win]
#203530 - 24/02/12 10:21 AM

I did it my way, a lot cheaper. Here is my 7x57 Mauser I built more than 20 years ago. A 1912 dated commercial B Mauser on an intermediate action fell into my hands. As the barrel was completely rusted out, I had it rebarreled to the original caliber. As at that time I did not like the early Mauser factory stock shape and did not want to damage it, Istored it and the original open tangent sights away. I made this using stock from a cheap preshaped/inletted one, extensively reshaped by me without a useless cheekpiece , only to my then taste and fit. The pg cap is steel and the foreend tip buffalo horn. The barrel is 21", weight without the prewar Zeiss Zielsechs scope 7.16 lbs = 3.25 kg. The original stock shown below. It is not a Rigby, but built on the same action.

My 9.3x62 once was a 1938 vintage type B Mauser that was rebarreled from 8x60 before it came to me abot 12 years ago. The quite heavy barrel by Haemmerli is 24.5". The original stock, shown below, is ok and in very good shape. At that time a gunsmith friend gave me a preshaped/inletted Mauser stock that had turned out to show too little figure for his high-grade custom rifles after machining. I decided to make it into an using/knockabout stock to save the original one from wear and tear. Admittedly, I shaped it somewhat after a .350 Rigby in my gunsmith's friend collection, sans cheekpiece too. The scope is a 1.5-6x Hensoldt Diavari, the peep sight an original Rigby. Weight is 8.42 lbs = 3.82kg. Though it is not a .350 Rigby on a Mauser Magnum action, using a 225gr bullet at 2625 fps, but merely a 9.3x62 on a standard length Mauser action, both hunter and animal will be hard-pressed to notice a difference if it is loaded with a 232gr bullet at 2650fps.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: kuduae]
#269923 - 02/09/15 08:06 PM

New Rigby London Best .275 Rigby, in use in Tanzania.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: NitroX]
#269926 - 02/09/15 10:06 PM

Scope is to big. It sort of ruins the aesthetics of the rifle in my eye.

A little 3-9x36 Swarovski would certainly improve the lines.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Rell]
#269927 - 02/09/15 10:48 PM

Agree, rifle looks nice, but that scope ? Why ?

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Mike_Bailey]
#269931 - 03/09/15 12:01 AM

The "lines" are IMO minor detail when hunting. If my eyes see right, the scope is variable LEICA Magnus, eiher 1,8-12x50 or 2,4-16x56. Those both scopes have very high quality optics. Their excellent light transmission and extraordinarily high contrast added with illuminated reticle and large scale of magnification makes them very usefull in many kind of hunting, from dusk till down. Scopes big size is one minus but you will get used to it quite soon.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Igorrock]
#269941 - 03/09/15 08:11 AM

I get the utility. I just used a Hill Country Rifle Sako 85 in7mm Rem Mag for bushbuck. The scope was a 2-5-15x44 Swaro Illuminate Gen II.

Loved the range of magnification and the illuminated reticle.

But if you are hunting with a master piece ... why draw a hitler mustach on the stateu of David?

If utility and function are #1 then they are. If esthetics are integral to the value of the hunt then I think compromise is a four letter word.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Rell]
#269948 - 03/09/15 03:02 PM

Scopes are the choice of course of the customer for any rifle.

And nowadays it seems people are often magnification obsessive, wanting a 15x where hunters used to cope with a 4x. A 15x for me only is suitable for a target range rifle. A 4x makes a good all round hunting optic, a 6x on a rifle for slightly longer range, and a 8 to 10x for a rifle meant for heading shooting small game, though a 6x allows that anyway. A 1x to 3x on a dangerous game rifle.

It is interesting that once people try and get used to good open sights how well they work.

One problem is most optics makers don't really cater for the traditional hunting market. Rare to see good fixed scopes now for example and certainly a good 2 1/2x or 3x, and evenm a 4x.

And many are these obsessively big 30mm tubed variables.

I am sure Karamojo Bell would be rolling in his grave with the choices of many scopes.

However it is also possible to mount a scope on a "London Best" type rifle with QD mounts allowing its "lines" to flow with open sights. Or use more than one scope. A use the scope for the occaison.

As Igorrock mentions also one gets used to the scope. On small calibre and light rifles such as my .22's my scopes too are often larger than ideal but better for the purpose of those rifles.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: NitroX]
#270098 - 07/09/15 01:24 PM

A person with limited funds can have a replica of a Rigby or Holland & Holland made today, using the same components as the new generation models,for a fraction of the price. These gun makers do not manufacture the major components of their guns, the actions and barrels. Golmatic in Germany and FZH
make actions for Mauser,H&H and Rigby as well as Prechtl and others. Lothar Walther, Kreiger, Hambrusch supply barrels. A competant stockmaker can duplicate any stock design and customize it to your taste. Recknagel supplies bottom metal,sights, swivels and other top quality parts. An engraver will complete the copy with appropriate script.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: Fontainebleu]
#270113 - 07/09/15 07:33 PM

Quote:

IF you were to have commisioned a new Mauser sporter in the old Rigby tradition, whos the best bet nowadays? You know what I mean, 7x57, Open sights, light and handy rifle for quick shots.

I`d give Rigby a call but it seems like they are in a bit of a mess with naming rights, so I dont know about the quality anymore?

In early days there was a mess up of the naming rights as you said but there has been a BIG change and is back home in England.

This is their website and if I had the coin I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. Please have a good look, I think you will be surprised.

http://www.johnrigbyandco.com/the-big-game.html

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#270115 - 07/09/15 08:15 PM

Well said Jeff.

Yes and if you want a NEW "Rigby" and not a custom rifle, there is only one place to go!

It is quite tiresome how some harp on how much something might cost, compared to .... whatever .... This is ALWAYS the case. Most of the European gunmakers often make rifles with impressive prices but make a lot of sales, because people want that rifle, or its style, the brand, or often see the value in what they are paying.

Rigby's prices are not too bad, especially if compared to H&H, WR, and other makers. Plus various German makers as well.

It is also tiresome how some moaned and groaned endlessly about the Californication Rigby, but yet when there is now a good maker, making again excellent rifles, all they still can do is moan and groan. One wonders what the motivation might be???

Many prefer their own design, a custom rifle bespoke by themselves, but if you want a NEW Rigby ....

And hundreds of new Rigby customers have decided just that.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: NitroX]
#270116 - 07/09/15 08:18 PM

PS I didn't mention earlier.

While the Big Game model is an off the shelf rifle, the London Best "range" is a 100% bespoke custom service for Rigby customers. So you get a custom rifle with the pedigree of the Rigby name.

Must post some Rising Bite photos too, which Marc sent to me while I was hunting in the Top End.

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Re: Where would your money go? New Rigby sporter [Re: NitroX]
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