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shamus
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Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle
#192463 - 25/10/11 10:51 AM

Hi there,

Can anyone shed some light on a rifle that I’ve just purchased, Halger 7mm Magnum?
I can't seem to find too much info about it except some ballistics, seems to be very rare.
Any info would be much appreciated

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192474 - 25/10/11 02:40 PM

There's a bit of info on the web about the 280 Halger (HV) Magnum round - not sure if this is one and the same as what you have.

What brand rifle is it?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192475 - 25/10/11 02:43 PM

Shamus, welcome to NitroExpress.
The 280 Halger rifles were built up by Halbe and Gerlich (Hal-Ger) between the wars.
I think there were fewer than 200 built up. I owned #120 for a while and my brother had #105 as well. The numbers on ours were engraved on the top of the action wall.
They used magnum length Mauser actions.
Word has it that the 280 Halger case is derived from the 280 Ross but I would have to measure both of them up to see for sure.
Please post some pictures if you can.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mauserand9mm]
#192476 - 25/10/11 03:03 PM

Hi, It's a Halger 280 HV Magnum, pic's below, cheers

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192477 - 25/10/11 03:07 PM

Cheers Huvius,

My one is numbered 72 and I got some ammo with.
How do you load photos on this site?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192479 - 25/10/11 03:46 PM

Quote:

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How do you load photos on this site?

You'll need to link them from an image hosting site (eg "photobucket" is a free host site).

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mauserand9mm]
#192481 - 25/10/11 04:00 PM

Try this link, there's also picture of the original ammo
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a...mp;l=83efe6361e
Cheers

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192487 - 25/10/11 06:06 PM

a treasure

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#192492 - 25/10/11 10:02 PM

A real treasure! It would benefit from a sympathetic restoration. BTW I'd suggest you look at minimum 280 Rem mag loads in slow powders for starters then work backwards to those a bit faster. Of course proportional density of powder charge to volume is some guideline and here our Euro respondents might assist.
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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#192500 - 25/10/11 11:35 PM

I have a box of the same ammunition. All with cracked necks too.
Your gun looks to be built to the standard Halger pattern with variations here and there. I will post some pictures of mine if I have any.
Do you plan on shooting the Halger?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192503 - 25/10/11 11:52 PM

Not only an interesting find concerning the rifle.

The Scope also shows a development of low mounting objective , today advertised by Leupold using the same idea.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6563/ajack.jpg

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: justcurious]
#192504 - 25/10/11 11:59 PM

the ajack is very valuable alone

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: lancaster]
#192506 - 26/10/11 12:04 AM

I should ad , that the article above was released in June 1925 .

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192522 - 26/10/11 05:09 AM

would be great to see them, looks like the cases haven't been annealed, any idea of value?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: kamilaroi]
#192523 - 26/10/11 05:11 AM

Quote:

A real treasure! It would benefit from a sympathetic restoration. BTW I'd suggest you look at minimum 280 Rem mag loads in slow powders for starters then work backwards to those a bit faster. Of course proportional density of powder charge to volume is some guideline and here our Euro respondents might assist.
(no liability or absolute terms implied nor inferred)

I've got some 280 Ross and Halger dies so might have a wee play.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192524 - 26/10/11 05:15 AM

It's hard to get a gauge on its value, any ideas

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192528 - 26/10/11 08:29 AM

I think these cases have a higher copper composition than usual. Not sure if that has anything to do with the neck splits or if they split because they originally had a higher neck tension than normal because the bullets have no cannelure thus no crimp.
I can tell you that I sold my Halger for $4600 which looking back I feel was too low. I should have kept it really although it was quite heavy and impossibly long by today's standards. Long barrel, long action, long forend, and a long length of pull. Often wondered just who ordered it that way. Guy must have been 6'5"...

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192534 - 26/10/11 12:54 PM

Yep it's one for the giants, cheers for the info.
I'm looking at selling it as I've found an original cased 416 Rigby in lovely condition but can't afford to keep both at the moment.
You don’t get many chances to get your hands on Rigby.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#192538 - 26/10/11 03:13 PM

Quote:

...I've found an original cased 416 Rigby in lovely condition but can't afford to keep both at the moment.
You don’t get many chances to get your hands on Rigby.

Can I hear an "AMEN"
IMO, the Halger is a very cool gun in its own right, but an original cased Rigby is a different matter altogether!

Like I said, I wish I had not sold mine but at the time I was getting into Brit guns and the Halger just didn't fit in with what I was wanting in the collection.
The buyer of my gun had some connection to some descendants of the Halbe and Gerlich concern so I was a bit pleased that it was going back home so to speak.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#192540 - 26/10/11 03:21 PM

AMEN!!!!
When I get my grubby little mitts on it, I'll post some pics.
It's always good to see good gear go to someone that appreciates it.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#196357 - 11/12/11 05:00 AM

Hmmm the case certainly looks like the .280 Ross and if so it uses 0.287" bullets and not the commonly used today 0.284".

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Brithunter]
#196365 - 11/12/11 05:24 AM

Wasn't it Halger who offered squeeze bore rifles in an early attempt at extracting maximum velocities out of their rifles? Probably OT, or may be not, if this is one of those . . .

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mehulkamdar]
#206546 - 05/04/12 08:46 AM

Are the bullets .284 or .287 like the Ross? Harold

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mbogo3]
#206558 - 05/04/12 01:18 PM

Article not so long ago on the round and the rifle in Handloader or Rifle - either/or. It was noted the .280 Halger is nothing less nor more than a .280 Ross round.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: DarylS]
#206562 - 05/04/12 03:29 PM

139 grain bullet @ 3510 Ft/sec!!!. THat thing must have been pumped with fastburning riflepowder to really achieve such performance. I do suspect the pressure issue is way above of what I would load it for. My .270Wea has pushed a 140grain bullet to 3380 Ft/Sec but to add an additional 130 Feet would destroy brass and wear down the rifle.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: rigbymauser]
#206571 - 06/04/12 02:08 AM

Shamus,

You lucky dog. You have yourself a very nice and rare find. The Halger is a direct descendant of the .280 Ross which has the distinction of being the first 7mm Magnum. Here is an article about the Halger published in the 1984 "Rifle" magazine Issue No. 96:

You may want to copy the images and then blow them up a bit to read them.

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Edited by CptCurl (26/05/12 09:14 AM)

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Buchsemann]
#206573 - 06/04/12 02:26 AM

Shamus,

I will add that when researching reference hand loading data for my .280 Ross double rifle I accumulated a fair amount of information on the Ross and Halger loads. They are both way too hot for a double rifle but the data may do you some good when you get around to hand loading for your new toy. The loads that I use in my double may be good starting loads for your gun so let me know if you would be interested in seeing them as well.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: shamus]
#206611 - 06/04/12 04:42 PM

Morris Hallowell (www.hallowellco.com) had one of these rifles in the same caliber a few years back. It didn't last long at 13K USD, and condition appeared to be similar to yours, maybe a bit better. These rifles were insanely expensive for the period in which they were introduced, costing about 1,000 Depression era US dollars. The real prize would be one in .335 Halger.

Great piece of gun making history. I don't know about the sympathetic restoration - have had a few of these done myself and still have mixed feelings. Might be best to clean it only and leave as is.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mckinney]
#206749 - 08/04/12 06:59 AM

First time I have heard of Halger. Reading this thread has been informative, thanks to all who have posted.

Shamus do you still have the rifle or have you picked up the Rigby?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Buchsemann]
#207702 - 26/04/12 07:21 PM

Hi Buchseman,

I've read that article thanks, the scope seems to be very rare itself.
The loads would be great, I'm still waiting for the dies that were to come with the rifle but haven't seen them yet.

Cheers

Edited by shamus (26/04/12 07:29 PM)

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Rule303]
#207703 - 26/04/12 07:23 PM

Hi Rule303,

Still have the Halger as well as the Rigby, very nice.

Cheers

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: mckinney]
#207704 - 26/04/12 07:27 PM

Hi Mckinney,

Thanks for the info.
I've given the rifle a good clean and it's come up alot better than it looks in the first pics.
That's far as I'll go as I like to see them honest and not tarted up.

Cheers

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: Huvius]
#220515 - 29/11/12 12:13 PM

What a small world, I was the one who purchased your Halger no 120, and correct I am the grandson of the Hermann Gerlich who designed the Halger guns.
I have app 10 Halger guns all O&U shot guns so I was very happy to add. the Rifle .280 all Rifels my father had was confiscated dooing WW2. One is the gun I am also interested in the storry. How did you get hold of it in the first place? I notis the Scope and Tricker has been modifird do you know if the original had the german dobble tricker?
I am still looking out for Halger guns and especialy for the cal 224 and the 335 if you know anyone I am very interested...........

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: gerlich]
#220516 - 29/11/12 12:49 PM

Quite something to hear from the Grandson- and glad you got ahold of a .280 HV Mag.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: gerlich]
#220523 - 29/11/12 02:45 PM

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What a small world, I was the one who purchased your Halger no 120, and correct I am the grandson of the Hermann Gerlich who designed the Halger guns.
I have app 10 Halger guns all O&U shot guns so I was very happy to add. the Rifle .280 all Rifels my father had was confiscated dooing WW2. One is the gun I am also interested in the storry. How did you get hold of it in the first place? I notis the Scope and Tricker has been modifird do you know if the original had the german dobble tricker?
I am still looking out for Halger guns and especialy for the cal 224 and the 335 if you know anyone I am very interested...........

WOW!!
All I can say is that I am pleased that you now have the rifle, and, of course, welcome to NitroExpress!!
If you are interested, and if you can accept them, I found the reloading dies which were made to the chambers of Halger No.120 and will be happy to post them to you if you like.
I came into the rifle through my brother, John, who inherited it from my Great Uncle, Floyd Hill. I suspect he bought it sometime in the 70's or 80's, perhaps through Champlins or another of the primary dealers of those days.
My Great Uncle also owned Halger #105 and I think his attraction to the .280 Halger stemmed from his love of his .280 Dubiel which he used extensively for deer and Pronghorn Antelope back in the '30s. That, and the fact that he was crazy for magnum length Mausers.
I don't know about the scope but I agree that it looked as though it was added later in the rifle's life and I also cannot say anything about the trigger setup.

Do you plan on using the rifle?

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: gerlich]
#220918 - 05/12/12 02:35 AM

Quote:

What a small world, I was the one who purchased your Halger no 120, and correct I am the grandson of the Hermann Gerlich who designed the Halger guns.
I have app 10 Halger guns all O&U shot guns so I was very happy to add. the Rifle .280 all Rifels my father had was confiscated dooing WW2. One is the gun I am also interested in the storry. How did you get hold of it in the first place? I notis the Scope and Tricker has been modifird do you know if the original had the german dobble tricker?
I am still looking out for Halger guns and especialy for the cal 224 and the 335 if you know anyone I am very interested...........

Good to see. Received an email with some good information for Mr Gerlich. Passed on the information as requested.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: NitroX]
#221058 - 06/12/12 11:22 PM

Thanks for your welcome to NitroExpress and what a great forum.
Huvius, thank you very much for the information it is always much more of interest if you know the background of the gun.

I will be very interested in any accessory, but please help me what is a “reloading dies”
If you ore other are interested in Halger information I will be happy to share.

VBR
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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: gerlich]
#221063 - 07/12/12 02:21 AM

Herr Gerlich,

"reloading die" heißt "Matrize" auf Deutsch. Falls Sie Schwierigkeit bie der Übersetzung empfinden, können Sie sich jederzeit an mich wenden.

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Re: Halger 7mm Magnum Rifle [Re: xausa]
#221093 - 07/12/12 10:54 AM

Sehr geehrter Herr Bill,
Vielen Dank für die Übersetzung,To calibrate the cartridge case, I suppose. So I am very interested I have some original Halger .280 bullets and only few cartridges.
Ole Gerlich

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