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Re: Maybe not [Re: ducmarc]
      #349947 - 03/02/21 09:33 AM

I think Rigby have done a very upstanding and fine job of making a lemon. Stick a modern looking long rang rifle in a classic stock. Hell you could get a custom rifle made up for a 3rd the cost that would be every bit as well made, shooting tiny groups with a stock that fits you.

My comments might be harsh, but common Rigby, they are truly fair.


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Re: Maybe not [Re: Rule303]
      #349963 - 03/02/21 11:18 PM

There is a consensus that they may have lost their way......We can only assume that there is a demand that they are meeting???

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Re: Maybe not [Re: paradox_]
      #349964 - 04/02/21 02:14 AM









The Rigby Highland Stalker rifle

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #349965 - 04/02/21 02:21 AM

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The Rigby Highland Stalker rifle




Its the same modern Rigby Highland Stalker rifle but without open sights and longer barrel. Maybe the same barrel profile as the shorter barrel.

Is it a magnum length action or not? I will have to enquire.

IMO a slimmer barrel profile would be far preferable, and I would keep open sights on it.

The original barrel length is for standard cartridges.

A longer barrel is suitable for a magnum cartridge such as a .300 Win Mag.

Should the forend be longer? That is questionable?

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #349966 - 04/02/21 02:24 AM

Again as to the .300 Win Magnum choice.

I would personally go for the obsolete and now rare .300 H&H Magnum.

But that choice as a standard offering is called commercial suicide. The .300 Win Mag is no doubt asked for many times more than a .300 H&H Mag. I imagine getting a Highland Stalker Magnum in .300 H&H magnum would not be a big drama.

A slimmer barrel? Are they so much more expensive? No idea.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #349975 - 04/02/21 04:55 AM

Barrel slimmer...yes. Forearm length fine, but could be slimmer along with the rest of the stock. Add sights.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: degoins]
      #349976 - 04/02/21 05:05 AM

oh and an original type barrel swivel stud.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: degoins]
      #349977 - 04/02/21 05:07 AM

The sloped butt I do not like at all. The second one down, isn't too bad to my eye, but the bottom 2 are nasty.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DarylS]
      #349979 - 04/02/21 05:11 AM

agreed. they need to model the stocks EXACTLY like the top one.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: degoins]
      #349992 - 04/02/21 08:37 AM

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agreed. they need to model the stocks EXACTLY like the top one.




I completely disagree.

The top stock is a 1908 stock designed for open sights and not modern scope use. I for one would use a scope most of the time for a non stopper cartridge, and as these are medium calibre rifles, scopes are the norm. The stock needs to support the needs of actual real users. And as a "standard" design, actual customers.

One can always order a London Best with whatever stock one wants.

But one pays for the Rigby brand name.

On another thread and topic, one certainly pays for the Holland & Holland names. And Purdey And .... if you want one of these brands, expect to pay for the name.

And for a lot of vintage rifles of the same, one may pay even more. I had a discussion on the phone with one of members with a big collection about this. The vintage rifles will cost more.

As has been said, for actual use, a custom made rifle of a similar design. But it will be a "custom" whatever rifle, not a "Rigby". For those that think that matters. Hunting with a branded rifle or a whatever rifle, if made to similar specs, makes not difference to the hunt or the game.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DarylS]
      #349993 - 04/02/21 08:45 AM

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The sloped butt I do not like at all. The second one down, isn't too bad to my eye, but the bottom 2 are nasty.




Daryl,

All the modern rifle stocks are the same shape and specs. The lighting, shadows, angle of the stocks, photo sizing etc might look like some differences between them But they are the same. (at least I think so!). One photos the rifle is angled differently. The other two the rifles look flatter. The lighting has quite an effect too.

Which is why I created the post. Because the ?magnum" rifle has the same stock as the standard Highland Stalker. Which a lot of people previously liked. Have a look at the link to the original thread.

I do like the look of the standard model. I could handle one of these with a price I could afford. The longer barrel I would have to have a good think. And compare the specs and looks to other magnum barrelled rifles. How the stocks might differ.

I would not say no to a vintage rifle either. If the drop can still handle a scope, but few of these would have been scoped. For a modern hunting rifle, an unscoped 7x57 would be a bit of a lesser performer.

Had a look at a Jeffery, Rigby, perhaps another Rigby, all three in .275 or 7x57, at a meeting at Marrakai's in Darwin. Very nice and slim and quite beautiful. I could see why so many people lust over a nice vintage Rigby or Rigby clone.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #349995 - 04/02/21 08:53 AM

PS If anyone has good photos of original Rignys please post away.

Be interesting to see how they compare to each other ie other vintage rifles, as well as the modern versions.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #350009 - 04/02/21 09:58 AM

John

The 300 H&H is neither absolute , or rare.
The cartridge is alive and well amongst those who understand what it represents.
It is actually enjoying something of a comeback with its sleek, tapered....dare I say wonderful lines. This as many grow tired of the bulky short necked variety of a certain 300 magnum.....IMHO.
In respect to commercial sucicide, this premise didnt stop Rigby from chambering the stalker for the great 8x57 when most Americans and Aussies dont give the cartridge a so much as a seconf thought

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Re: Maybe not [Re: paradox_]
      #350010 - 04/02/21 10:10 AM

Quote:

John

The 300 H&H is neither absolute , or rare.
The cartridge is alive and well amongst those who understand what it represents.
It is actually enjoying something of a comeback with its sleek, tapered....dare I say wonderful lines. This as many grow tired of the bulky short necked variety of a certain 300 magnum.....IMHO.




Show me a gunshop selling loaded ammo for it.

Tell me how many new rifles are sold for it in Australia each year?


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In respect to commercial sucicide, this premise didnt stop Rigby from chambering the stalker for the great 8x57 when most Americans and Aussies dont give the cartridge a so much as a seconf thought




Yes but 8x57 was or is still one of the most used chamberings in Germany and also probably in Eastern Europe and other parts of Continental Europe.

Ffffing hell, the fact is Rigby is only chambering ONE cartridge for their magnum rifles at present. Who the ffff would choose a .300 H&H Mag on a probable test case chambering and rifle? If you wanted a success and as many sales as possible.

Yes I would choose it and many of us would, but we are the exceptions. I doubt I would ever buy a .300 Win Mag.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #350011 - 04/02/21 10:23 AM

A question. Other than the .300 H&H Magnum, what other "magnum", ie in terms of velocity not a belt, cartridges existed in earlier times? And either British or Continental.

The 7 mm SEvH springs to my mind, not sure when it was introduced.

The 8x68S was in 1939 I think.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #350012 - 04/02/21 10:32 AM

My 1936 Model 70 has the ultimate sporter stock.
Rigby & the others, would do well to emulate it.
It works very well with open sights or scoped as mine is.
A fairly head's-up shooting position is used for scope use,
as with most European rifles - I like that.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #350015 - 04/02/21 01:44 PM

The 280 Ross in 1906.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #350022 - 04/02/21 05:25 PM

Hi Daryl,

Post a photo of your stock.

Rigby wanted to emulate the old design, but I guess with modern use in mind as well, ie scopes. A lot of modern consumers hate the look of those "hogback" Euro stocks.

Hot older cartridges?

Wasn't there a .240 H&H Mag? I don't know its intorduction date.

Surely their is something in the 7 mm class as well?

Regarding barrel length, was some Westley Richards rifles 28 even 30 inch rifle barrels? Surely there forend stocks were longer? As unwieldy as those rifles mist be in the bush.

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Edited by NitroX (05/02/21 09:20 PM)


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Re: Maybe not [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #350037 - 05/02/21 03:43 AM

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The 280 Ross in 1906.




And the Halger cartridges as well.

On occasion, Mauser would stamp some sporters with “MAGNUM” on the barrel breech.
I have a TypeB 9.3X62 so stamped and have seen some 8X60s stamped this way as well. Not sure, but I think that had to do with bullet weight/velocity over the standard loading.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #350043 - 05/02/21 08:58 AM

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A question. Other than the .300 H&H Magnum, what other "magnum", ie in terms of velocity not a belt, cartridges existed in earlier times?




.30 Newton, .35 Newton, .280 Ross, .350 Rigby to name a few.

.30 Newton (1913) 180 gr. bullet @ 2860 fps.
.35 Newton (1915) 250 gr. bullet @ 2975 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 140 gr. bullet @ 2900 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 150 gr. bullet @ 2800 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 160 gr. bullet @ 2799 fps.
.280 Ross (1906) 180 gr. bullet @ 2550 fps.
.350 Rigby (1908) 225 gr. bullet @ 2625 fps.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: xausa]
      #350045 - 05/02/21 09:42 AM

This is a pre-World War I Rigby stock, which PhysDoc spotted on eBay and was kind enough to call my attention to. It represents the last element needed to restore a pre-World War I slant box magazine rifle, which Lon Paul has been commissioned to do. Both of us think highly of the design of the stock, other than the odd angle of the buttplate, which will not be retained. The barrel and action were already in Lon's possession.

[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ee504/xausa/Rigby_slant_box_Mauser_stock_001_(2).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds[/IMG]

[IMG]https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ee504/xausa/Rigby_slant_box_Mauser_stock_003_(4).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds[/IMG]


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Re: Maybe not [Re: xausa]
      #350058 - 05/02/21 03:33 PM

Can't post a picture. Lack the expertise on this forum.

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Re: Maybe not [Re: DarylS]
      #350074 - 05/02/21 09:53 PM

Hi Daryl, email relevant images to me. Hopefully I will get to post them!

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Re: Maybe not [Re: NitroX]
      #350090 - 06/02/21 10:47 AM

I am very sure the Amercian and Australin markets would line up for the 300H&H. IMHO
Its different, has clean lines and is a great hunting cartridge. After all every man and his Winchester chambers the mighty short neck magnum.
Who wouldn't want a brace of the famous H&H cartridges....even in that confiq?.

I did see one of the new limited run Rigbys this week. I believe the first one was auctioned with the proceeds going to the NHS.
Congratulation to the Rigby team for this very worth while contribution.

But...........inscribed on the floor plate of this rifle was " Stay calm and carry a Rigby".....or something to that effect.
Now, surely this is this stuff Tee shirts are made of, not Big Game Rifles???

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Re: Maybe not [Re: paradox_]
      #350096 - 06/02/21 05:29 PM

Thank God they did not chamber it for the 6.5 mm Creedmoor!

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