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KWJohnston
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Photos of British Mauser stock styles
#251570 - 05/08/14 12:33 PM

I think it would be great to have a photo essay of the various British makers Mauser stock styles. I often hear the term "Holland" or "Jeffery" style. Sometimes it is hard for me to know exactly what those terms mean. I believe that certain characteristics must define an individual makers stock style. It would be wonderful to have pictures of various original British Mausers posted in the same thread for comparison. It would give all of us an idea of how they differ from one another. Thanks in advance for anyone who can contribute.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: KWJohnston]
#251608 - 06/08/14 08:35 AM

Great post KW (and welcome to NE) this should bring some definition (maybe)

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: VonGruff]
#251611 - 06/08/14 09:11 AM

To really show this, we would need good profile pictures much like in Speed's Mauser books.
You have to look at and handle a lot of British Mausers to get to know particular features or style of the different firms. For me, it is mostly the metalwork that sets them apart but there are little things in stocking which are particular to each maker too.
One obvious example which comes to mind is the pre war Rigby style of forend with no horn tip, whereas Jeffery and Westley Richards almost always used a horn tip.
Also, remember that many "English" Mausers are just branded Mauser TypeA's.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Huvius]
#251628 - 06/08/14 10:20 PM

I realize that one would have to handle and study quite a lot of British Mausers to spot the differances. A comprehensive study like that could take someone a lifetime indeed. That is why I was hoping that members could post pictures of original examples witin the same thread for us all to compare. I'm sure it may take a while to have enough pictures to compare. If I had an original example I would have contributed myself. Unfortunatly I own no such gems, so I have come here to ask for this forums help. No other place I have found on the web has such enthusiasum for vintage British style !

Wyatt

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: KWJohnston]
#251672 - 07/08/14 05:54 AM

Here's a couple of photos of my much abused Westley Richards 1909 Mauser, originally in 8X57J, now in 9X57, before getting the Lon Paul treatment. It is currently in Lon's shop and should be ready by fall hunting season.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: xausa]
#251674 - 07/08/14 06:31 AM

Xausa, thank you very much for getting things started. Your picture gives us an excellent profile view of the stock. The picture of the barrel with makers name provides authenticity as well. Nice rifle !

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: xausa]
#251683 - 07/08/14 10:28 AM

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Here's a couple of photos of my much abused Westley Richards 1909 Mauser, originally in 8X57J, now in 9X57, before getting the Lon Paul treatment. It is currently in Lon's shop and should be ready by fall hunting season.

Here are a couple of rifles that I built based on a pattern taken from a WR rifle I bought from Xausa in 1979.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Carpetsahib]
#251822 - 09/08/14 09:13 PM

Westley Richards 425Express;

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: ozhunter]
#251823 - 09/08/14 10:07 PM

Nice looking rifle OzHunter. good cartridge too.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: ozhunter]
#251829 - 09/08/14 10:35 PM

Ozhunter, thank you very much for submitting pictures of your great looking 425 Westley Richards. That is a Perfect profile picture of the stock. What a nice cheek piece that stock has.

Carpetsahib, does your Westley also have a cheek piece ?

At this point, both examples of original Westley Richards stocks are quite similar. They have nice long grips, almost identical checkering pattern, a realativly low not too steep comb nose, and a forearm with more moderate not too extreme taper.

Ozhunter, I congratulate you for taking a fine vintage British rifle afield, and taking down a worthy trophy. Well done sir !

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: KWJohnston]
#251840 - 10/08/14 01:35 AM

The WR does not have a cheek piece; neither did the original. Barrel length is 22.5"; weight is 7.6 lbs. with sling; caliber is 8x57 (this is a Mauser Werk BYF action and military barrel). It is equipped with a Lyman 57 receiver sight and diamond front sight. Appended are additional photos.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Carpetsahib]
#251937 - 11/08/14 08:32 PM

Just for comparison here is the Type A Oberndorf stock, red Pachmayr pad just fitted. Has been reinforced with three pins identical to ozhunter's very nice 425 WR.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: eagle27]
#251975 - 12/08/14 10:08 AM

Eagle27, the profile of the Type A Oberndorf stock is great for comparison. It does appear to me that both examples of Westley Richards stocks have a bit longer grip area than the type A Mauser. Checkering is very close. The forearms appear similar. I assume the forearm mounted swivel stud on you Oberndorf is not original. The Type A does have a very British look. Its possible the type A is where British styling originated. Someone smarter than me will have to say which came first, the Chicken or the Egg.....

Please don't be modest. Anyone with Original British Mausers, show off your pride and joy! Profile pictures of the stock would be the most helpful.

Wyatt

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: KWJohnston]
#251987 - 12/08/14 04:48 PM

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Eagle27, the profile of the Type A Oberndorf stock is great for comparison. It does appear to me that both examples of Westley Richards stocks have a bit longer grip area than the type A Mauser. Checkering is very close. The forearms appear similar. I assume the forearm mounted swivel stud on you Oberndorf is not original. The Type A does have a very British look. Its possible the type A is where British styling originated. Someone smarter than me will have to say which came first, the Chicken or the Egg.....

Please don't be modest. Anyone with Original British Mausers, show off your pride and joy! Profile pictures of the stock would be the most helpful.

Wyatt

Well spotted, yes the forearm swivel stud is not original, I installed it for using a bipod at the range, I would remove it when using the rifle on game as it is up against my forehand. Perhaps need to install a recessed socket for a QD stud. Not traditional but then neither is the scope mounted that way, just effective.

As I understand it the Type A Mausers were designed with the British market in mind and had quite a long length of pull for off hand shooting by the tall Englisher.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: eagle27]
#252076 - 13/08/14 09:45 PM

Whilst no longer the custodian of that great rifle, I did get to put it to work.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: ozhunter]
#252219 - 16/08/14 10:08 AM

:O !!!!

I wish i had of known you were selling it!
May i ask, how much did she go for? I really liked that gun.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Ash]
#253164 - 04/09/14 09:34 PM

Here's the same rifle shown above as a work in progress in Lon Paul's shop. It lacks only bluing the barrel to be complete.

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KWJohnston
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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: xausa]
#253275 - 07/09/14 12:57 AM

xausa, that is an great profile picture of your Westley Richards restoration in progress. Looks like Lon Paul has done an excellent job. Please post pictures when the work is completed. I am curious, what type of buttplate does your Westley have ?

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: KWJohnston]
#253276 - 07/09/14 01:12 AM

Double set trigger in british rifle, very interesting...

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Igorrock]
#253277 - 07/09/14 02:48 AM

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Double set trigger in british rifle, very interesting...

My reaction exactly. That coupled with the original caliber of 8X57JS makes me think that it was sold during the time when W-R were simply using standard Mauser barreled actions and stocking them in their own distinctive style as well as adding their own typical sights. The low serial number would seem to bear this out, placing it in the 1912 range, while Rigby were still the sole agent for Mauser rifles in Great Britain, and shortly after W-R introduced the .318 in 1910.

KWJohnston: As best I can remember, the buttplate is plain steel.

Incidentally, before being rebored, the caliber was stamped on the side "7.9 mm". I simply had the "7." removed from the marking, leaving an authentic looking 9 mm in its place.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: ozhunter]
#253632 - 17/09/14 09:49 AM

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Whilst no longer the custodian of that great rifle, I did get to put it to work.

Love that photo.

Bet the Lion just disappeared in that grass.

Cheers, Chris

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Rockdoc]
#253849 - 21/09/14 06:51 PM

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Whilst no longer the custodian of that great rifle, I did get to put it to work.

Love that photo.

Bet the Lion just disappeared in that grass.

Cheers, Chris

Yes he did but with a quartering shot with a big soft nose at 2350fps he did not go far.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: ozhunter]
#255585 - 22/10/14 08:03 PM

Here is four British rifles with quite similar stock style and lines.

From above Lincoln Jefferies post-war M98 in .375, BSA Lee Speed, British M-S of unknown make and a Rigby .275:

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Clark]
#255605 - 23/10/14 03:04 AM

Good looking rifles all four. I naturally like the Rigby best with the BSA a close second. Great condition too. All very nice.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: mckinney]
#255642 - 24/10/14 03:33 AM

That is a super handsome Lee Speed!

All nice rifles. Wouldnt mind the 375 too

Thanks for sharing

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Gen_Hicks]
#265322 - 21/05/15 06:15 AM

A 275 Rigby bought by a Major Blunt.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Glen71]
#265344 - 21/05/15 07:38 PM

David Enderby Blunt? (author of 'Elephant')

I'd love to see the .416 Rigby mentioned in his book. I wonder if its whereabouts are known?

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: mckinney]
#265345 - 21/05/15 09:13 PM

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David Enderby Blunt? (author of 'Elephant')

I'd love to see the .416 Rigby mentioned in his book. I wonder if its whereabouts are known?

His son, Nicky, may've gotten it or knows what happened to it.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: A10ACN]
#265349 - 21/05/15 10:42 PM

Nicky may not have it: he was using a .416 Remington built on a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester 25 years ago when Boddington published the 2nd edition of "Safari Rifles".

That's not something I would carry if I already had access to a .416 Rigby.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Marrakai]
#265353 - 21/05/15 11:51 PM

I haven't seen any mention of a rifle attributed to Blunt in the 12 or 15 years I've been scouring auction catalogues, so maybe his son (or a friend) still has it. But you never know, it may be in the hands of someone who doesn't know the history. Hemingway's G&H Springfield has been missing since it was stolen from his son in the 70's and then there's the .505 Gibbs that no one seems to have seen (also a G&H).

Nice looking .275 by the way!

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: mckinney]
#265355 - 22/05/15 12:20 AM

Good thread.

The fore-end stocks are shorter than the "classic American" stocks.

I should have had my Whitworth .375 made with a shorter fore-end.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: mckinney]
#265357 - 22/05/15 12:27 AM

Here is a link to the page where the picture came from. It came up in a Google Images search for 275 Rigby pictures. The page mentions the connection to a Major Blunt. I saved it only because I think it is an exceptionally handsome rifle. web page

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Glen71]
#265378 - 22/05/15 11:02 AM

Nice 275,

I am fortunate enough to have an original edition of " Elephant"...inscribed by Blunt.....

As close as Ill get to anything from the Blunt stable!!

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: paradox_]
#265381 - 22/05/15 01:21 PM

That is one nice Rigby ! The very short forearm (without ebony tip) and round knob grip gives the light Rigby magazine rifle a distinct look. The grip curve is nice and open for quick handling. Also notice how the checkering pattern complements the rounded grip shape. Rigby sure didn't leave any extra wood on there forearms! However the short forearm does place your hand at the proper balancing point for offhand shooting. I also like how the trigger guard is perfectly shaped and adds to the overall rounded look of the stock.

I would really like to see its big brother the 416 as well. That way we could compare how Rigby handled the stock design for there big bore rifles.

Wyatt

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Edited by KWJohnston (22/05/15 01:22 PM)

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: KWJohnston]
#265465 - 24/05/15 12:43 PM

Here is another Rigby, circa 1899, owned by Don S., a member here on N.E.
I am sure he would be happy to fill in the details.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Huvius]
#274551 - 05/12/15 02:34 AM

Here is a Holland & Holland stock style:

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: Huvius]
#278118 - 17/02/16 11:49 PM

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Here is another Rigby, circa 1899, owned by Don S., a member here on N.E.
I am sure he would be happy to fill in the details.

Don S, do you still have this rifle? Would it be possible to find out the serial number? Marc of Rigby in the UK has asked about it. Thanks.

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Re: Photos of British Mauser stock styles [Re: NitroX]
#278125 - 18/02/16 05:06 AM

John: Rigby S/N is #1580. Mauser S/N is #1361 (1899). Sold to Ernest Amherst Villiers (MP for Brighton 1905-1910) on 27 August, 1900. I have forwarded this information and some photos to Marc.

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