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Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57
      #206900 - 11/04/12 05:51 PM

there is a 10,75x68 on egun
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3803865
Gustav Genschow &Co on the barrel














my own Gustav Genschow in 10,75x57, serial number 1347













look again at the first rifle



dont you think someone restamp 68 over 57 lately?
another 10,75x57 lost for ever
bubba never sleps

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #206986 - 13/04/12 03:12 PM

What a shame. If your stock cracked with 10,75x57 loads (going by the cross bolts and what appears to be a repair behind the tang), the light B style stock on that one that's been reamed out to 10,75x68 probably won't last for many rounds. Shame. Neat rifles with great details and features. Yours looks to be especially crisp.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: A10ACN]
      #206997 - 14/04/12 12:15 AM

my rifle wasn't the best and it wasn't the worst. it was simply the first and only one with this chamber I found. was looking for a while and had also pay more for this rifle than I did to get it.
sad for anyone who looks for such a rifle like me before that this rifle is gone now. its Kulturbolschewismus!
the cartridge itself is very interesting because you can make cases from once fired 30 06 brass. so brass is for nothing if you compare it with the 10,75x68. the 10,75x57 gives a muzzle velocity of 620 m/sec with the 350 grains bullet. if you remember that the 10,75x68 fire the same bullet at 680 m/sec its very good. pre WW 2 DWM load a special light 10,75x68 again with the 350 grains bullet and a muzzle velocity of 610m/sec for european big game.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #207209 - 17/04/12 04:06 AM

I am quite sure now that the rifle above was for sale last year for 2200 euro in 10,75x57. the price was to high and it did not sold so imho the owner invest at least 150 -200 euro to destroy the historical value. this story remember me on a Mannlicher Schönauer M 1905 in 9x56 last year. the seller was was very proud about the things he had changed for a lot of money including a new scope on a most modern scope mount that replaced the old 3 feet claw mount, new iron sights and and new trigger. he got less money for the bubba rifle than his inventions have cost him before.

there is just now another of the GECO /Kaba Mauser rifles in 10,75x57, great price

http://www.staffansvapen.se/vapen/begagnat/jaktvapen/kula/1075x57/gg-co-kaba.html







Gustav Genschow was holding shares on the firm Carl or Karl Bauer/ Berlin = Kaba. many but not all of this 10,75x57 Mauser Rifles and also some Geco Mauser rifles in 9,3x57 have also "Kaba" on the barrel. I believe that Kaba was the "Subdivision" which made the export of Geco stuff for some time.




Gustav Genschow & Co Aktiengesellschaft
Berlin , Durlach , Köln , Hamburg

Herstellung von Jagd- und Sportmunition sowie aller Artikel, die mit vorgenannten im Zusammenhang stehen oder die die Gesellschaft mit ihrer Einrichtung anfertigen kann; Großhandel mit derartigen Artikeln, insbesondere auch mit Waffen, sowie das Export- und Importgeschäft, ferner der Erwerb und Betrieb auch anderer Fabriken derselben oder verwandter Branchen.

Die Haupterzeugnisse waren: in Durlach: Jagdschrot und Plomben, in Wolfartsweier b. Durlach: Patronen für automatische Waffen, wie Büchsen, Karabiner und Pistolen, Zündhütchen aller Art, Flobert- und Revolverpatronen, Jagdhülsen, geladene Jagdpatronen sowie Messinghülsen und Knallsignale für Eisenbahnen. Maschinenbauabteilung zur Herstellung von Spezial-Maschinen. Die Lederwarenfabrik in Altstadt-Hachenburg fabrizierte Lederwaren für Jagd- und Sportzwecke.

Als AG gegründet am 22.3.1907 mit Änderungen vom 14., 15. und 16.5.1907 mit Wirkung ab 1.1.1907, unter Übernahme der im Jahre 1888 von Gustav Genschow und Wilhelm Seebach gegründeten oHG Gustav Genschow & Co.; eingetragen am 23.5.1907. Zweiggeschäfte bestanden 1932 in Köln, Durlach, Hamburg, Königsberg i. Pr., Altstadt-Hachenburg, Suhl i. Th., Nürnberg und Frankfurt a. M.

Beteiligungen (1932): Die Gesellschaft war an folgenden Unternehmen maßgeblich beteiligt: Carl Bauer & Co., Berlin; Gust. Genschow & Co. GmbH, Wien; Geco Compania Industrial y Comercial, Buenos Aires; Sociedade Geco Limitada, Rio de Janeiro; Compania Geco Limitada, Santiago.

Interessengemeinschaft: Die G.-V. vom 7.12.1927 genehmigte den zwischen der Gustav Genschow AG und der Rheinisch-Westfälische Sprengstoff AG, Köln, abgeschlossenen Interessengemeinschaftsvertrag. Vom 1.1.1938 ab konnten die Aktien der Gustav Genschow AG in Aktien der I.G. Farbenindustrie umgetauscht werden. Im Handbuch der deutschen Aktiengesellschaften 1943 nicht mehr als eigenständige Gesellschaft aufgeführt.

1950 Berliner Wertpapierbereinigung, seit 1954 Abwicklung, 1959 erloschen durch Umwandlung auf die G. C. Dornheim GmbH, Berlin (West), 1960 G. C. Dornheim GmbH umfirmiert in Gustav Genschow & Co. GmbH, Berlin (West). Die Gustav Genschow & Co. (GECO) wurde in den 1930er Jahren in die Dynamit Nobel AG als Tochterfirma integriert. Seit April 2002 haben der Schweizer Munitionshersteller RUAG Munition und Dynamit Nobel AmmoTec in Deutschland ihr Geschäft mit Munition gebündelt und bilden nun das Unternehmen RUAG Ammotec.

Nach dem Umzug nach Wiener Neudorf im Januar 2005 ist die Gustav Genschow Nobel unter dem Firmennamen RUAG Ammotec Austria GmbH auf dem Markt. Die Umbenennung soll die Zugehörigkeit zu dem international tätigen RUAG Konzern mit Holding-Sitz in der Schweiz verdeutlichen. - Quelle Dr. Busso Peus

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #207223 - 17/04/12 08:24 AM

Interesting stuff as always Lancaster!


I'm glad you're a member of this site and I always look forward to your announcements and reports.





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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: tinker]
      #207224 - 17/04/12 08:30 AM

Quote:

Interesting stuff as always Lancaster!


I'm glad you're a member of this site and I always look forward to your announcements and reports.





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Always great stuff, just wish I could buy some of them

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #207229 - 17/04/12 08:51 AM

"there is just now another of the GECO /Kaba Mauser rifles in 10,75x57, great price"

I'll say it's a great price! 3500 Swedish Krona=$517.54 US. I doubt that it could be imported, however.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: xausa]
      #219047 - 05/11/12 06:02 AM

to make nails with heads I decided to make this THE Gustav Genschow/Kaba Mauser thread

what we knowing till now is that this typ of rifle was build in 10,75x57 and also in 9,3x57 for the swedish market in the earls 1930s

here we have again Bakpostens 9,3x57 Kaba serial number 3511 proof in 6 32








http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=208422&an=0&page=1#Post208422

this is the 10,75x57 model was for sale in Finland this year
serial number 1159























to make things complete the barrel of my own rifle in 10,75x57
number 1146 proof 6 31

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #219049 - 05/11/12 06:23 AM

just see it now that there was a another Gustav Genschow /Kaba in 10,75x57 for sale in germany by Matthias Lietzau

http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=4083



looking very strange in the first moment serial number is 905 or 995 proof in 5 29
the stock is a made of beech wood what was the choise for cheap rifle's but having checkering on the forearm. looking on the bolt handle its clear this could not be the original stock. the buttplate is a typical Husqvarna made showing where this rifles was bought by the dealer. anyone knowing where the stock was coming from?


































compared with the later made rifles this seems to be a basic model but the most important point is that this 10,75x57 is again a Genschow Kaba rifle.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #219060 - 05/11/12 09:10 AM

Quote:

anyone knowing where the stock was coming from?



IMO the stock looks very much like Husqvarna m640 stock:





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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: Igorrock]
      #219093 - 05/11/12 10:55 PM

Hello Lancaster,

if you need more information about the 10,75x57 rifle from M. Lietzau, please don´t hesitate to ask me.

I bought it...

:-)

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: Rolf]
      #219117 - 06/11/12 06:10 AM

hello rolf
waidmannsheil to your new rifle

do you have plans to change the stock for a period walnut stock with schnabel forend? it seems the original stock was brocken once and the swedish gunmaker take what he had in the shop. we allready have the most important information now: the date of proof. your rifle proofed in 1929 have a lot of similarity's but also some differences to the rifles proofed in 1931/1932.
same gunmaker or another? a basic model that was upgraded later with engravings because such little things sell better?
in which timeframe were the rifles made? was this the only rifle model in 10,75x57 made after WW 1( I believe this). when this is the case we have to assume that Geco was the only ammunition firm producing the 10,75x57!

a die set is on the way? ch4d?

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #219166 - 06/11/12 10:40 PM

Hello Lancaster,

Waidmannsdank for the "new" rifle!

stock:
I have no idea about the stock
- leaving it untouched?
- new stock for my body dimensions? (have to ask gunsmith master and stockmaker Mr. Hirschle in Blaubeuren/Ulm)
- or trying to locate an old stock for this rifle made during the same production period

- the rilfe has the Genschow name on the barrel and a small "KaBa" stamp on the side of the barrel

- ammunition?
did not locate any of the two possible cartridges (10,75x57 Mauser and 10,75x57 Mannlicher)

- die set: yes, on the way, from CH dies
I intended to use Prvi Partisan cartridge casings in caliber 8x60S for modification

reloading/testing:
- 300grs Degol SPRN (maybe a little hard)
- Reichenberg HDB in 280grs
- Delsing 347grs SPRN

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: Rolf]
      #219233 - 07/11/12 03:56 PM

I would go for a period replacement stock they are to find with patience. had one laying around for nealy 10 years here but he married my 9,3 brennecke last summer.



the cartridge is only to get by cartridge collectors today and cost 70-80 euro and more for a single round.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #219304 - 08/11/12 03:08 PM

follow a link in another thread I found another Geco/Kaba for sale in Norway thats very close to your rifle
http://www.beverensport.no/products/gustav-genschow-co-modell-98







serial number: 986
again a rifle in 10,75x68 that was probably rechambered in the past! the cross bolt was set when the rifle was rechambered but have no clue about the little screw in the stock over the trigger. maybe another little cross bolt?
the number is close to rolf's rifle and whats visible on the small pics having the same fore and rear sights. its only a fixes rear sight without the folding leaf rear sight we see on the later rifles. the design of the front sight is also very different.
the stock and especially the trigger guard looking like we know from rifle's with higher serial number.



the older and newly front sight:








the older and newly rear sight:






a quick look at the iron sights makes it easy to distinguish the two versions from each other

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #221532 - 14/12/12 12:26 AM

I found the rifle for sale in Norway now


http://www.beverensport.no/products/gustav-genschow-co-modell-98

in the 2004 Widforrs/Stockholm catalog where it was sold for 4200 swedisch krona - now 3531 norwegian krone. the rifle was also in 10,75x68 so the rechambering may be done before the 1990s when RWS stop making this round. the rifle was thean sold with a weaver 2,5 scope

december 2004

Tyskt, repeter, fabrikat: G.G. & CO. AG.,
kal. 10,75x68, tillvnr. 986, piplängd 63 cm,
fast sikte med ett fällbart siktblad,
halvoktagonal pipa med hel spång,
plundringsbart magasin, kolv med kindstöd
och pistolgrepp, bakelitbakkappa, stockbult,
rembyglar, Weaver 2,5x i "see-tru montage",
kolven spräckt och lagad med en extra
stockbult, i övrigt GOTT SKICK.Utropspris:
2000-3000
Såld för 4200 SEK
KULGEVÄR


the desciprion mention an additional rear sight leaf and when I look again at the pics it seems so.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #221540 - 14/12/12 01:32 AM



serial number 1347 in 10,57x57 sold by Widforss in november 2006
thats the rifle I have now!





9,3x57, serial number 1206

another G. G. & Co., modell Kaba, kal. 9,3x57, number 1197 without a pic






a 10,75x57, number 1273

all three sold by Widforrs in may 2007







I think this is a swedish gunmaker modification of an original gustav genschow/kaba in 9,3x57 rechambered to 9,3x62, new stock, number 1207
sold by Widforrs in mai 2011






10,75x57 serial number 905
not sold in the may 2011 auction

thats the rifle forum member rolf buy this year

so the lowest serial number in 9,3x57 is 1197 but 9,3 and 10,75 mm rifles are in one range of numbers. the very high number of bakpostens rifle is a mystery!

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #221561 - 14/12/12 04:46 AM

And now I want a 10,75*57 as well... I will have to visit beveren sport this spring, he always has a lot of nice weapons in his shelves.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: bakposten]
      #221574 - 14/12/12 07:30 AM

bakposten, can you make a pic showing the serial number? your number is very much apart of the other known rifles and I ask myself why.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #221576 - 14/12/12 08:36 AM



The only serial number I can find on the rifle.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: bakposten]
      #221610 - 14/12/12 06:08 PM

thank you bakposten, that explain a lot

every known rifle till now have the serial number here



I will go into the facts about the Geco/ Kaba Mauser we know till now:
lowest number 905 proofed 5 1929 engraving and a least front sight design is different from later rifles
highest number with this features is 986

between 986 and 1146, proof 5 1931, there were a change. maybe because geco change the gunmaker or only the engraver and the barrel maker in Suhl/Zella Mehlis. maybe another unknown reason!
1159 is than the last rifle in 10,75x57 we have.

1197 and 1206 and also the reworked 1207 are in 9,3x57 and I have no doubt the rifles between will be chambered for the 9,3. maybe this was the first lot of the geco/kaba mauser for the swedish cartridge and it must be made around 1931.

1273 is still in 10,75x57

1347 in 10,75x57 proof 6 1931

and than there is a hooooooole

bakpostens rifle number 3511 proof 6 1932 but the serial number is not like on the other rifles

2200 rifles made in only one year but invincible! did they found one or more rifles in the white or parts for complete rifles in 1932, number and proof them. because its a geco/kaba serial number maybe the 2200 missing links were cheap rimfire rifles made by some else for geco and having this missing numbers.

the years 1931/32 were not the best, for nobody
it was the Great Depression

I am searching information about the 10,75x57 cartridge fror years and the Geco Kaba Mauser is the only known modell make in "masses" for this round. because of its shotgun style trigger guard its distinctive. I have only heard of one M 88 sporter and till now 4 Mannlicher Schönauer M 1912.


any information will be welcome

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #226711 - 10/03/13 05:22 AM

first modell, serial number 902
rechambered for the 10,75x68 with an older british style stock and advertised as an old pre war rifle I dont believe its very old as we see it now. the nice Zeiss Ziel 6 pre war scope on claw mount could be old but old parts and craftsman are around and I can duplicate it here in only one week and you would not see a difference. the Ziel 6 was an expensive scope before ww2 and it was the best avialble than world wide that makes it so rare and sought after today. for sale at 4600 euro in germany in march 2013 I would not say its a bad rifle or its a fake the dealer probably dont know it better but thanks to this little thread we know what it startet once.





















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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #227359 - 22/03/13 06:06 AM

more pics of the rifle number 1207, its for sale now in germany
http://www.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=4078

as I predicted before this is a heavy modified 9,3x57. you can see on the barrel that "62" was stamp over the old "57".







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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #227365 - 22/03/13 06:17 AM

I remember a 10,75x68 that was for sale in Denmark years ago now but is still on the website and look on this rifle again.


http://www.huntershouse.dk/kat408-Rifler/side645-G.G.-Co.-%E2%80%9CKaba%E2%80%9D.html
barrel is marked "G.G. & CO, KABA “og “ KRUPP LAUFSTAHL, 10,75 x 68" to bad no serial number but I am convinced this is another modified 10,75x57.

clearly the second modell

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #229317 - 27/04/13 02:07 AM

if you believe in coincidense ...

I came in contact with the owner of the last rifle and was able to clear something. there is no doubt the barrel belonging to one of the geco/kaba rifle's once.













it was the rifle No 1144 that dont exist anymore now we presume

because of an unknown reason the barrel got another mauser 98 action and stock and the scope is on a contra claw mount.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #230757 - 01/06/13 06:00 PM

while I watching the world wide Geco market find the hybrid rifle No. 1144 for sale again in sweden
http://www.shotguns.se/html/rifles.html










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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #230779 - 02/06/13 02:36 PM

Nice rifle for hunting.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: Igorrock]
      #265208 - 19/05/15 05:35 PM

another Gustav Genschow 10,75x57 for sale in the united states
SN 13XX
http://www.gunsinternational.com/German-Sporting-Rifle-10-75-x-57MM.cfm?gun_id=100559724



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Re: Additional information on Gustav Genschow/Kaba SN 905 [Re: lancaster]
      #265213 - 19/05/15 08:03 PM

Gentlemen,
and especially Lancaster,

I am sorry to report that my aquired rifle (S/N 905) from M. Lietzau is NOT in 10,75x57 caliber but in 10,75x68.

I found this out after having fired the first shot (modified case in 10,75x57) in this rifle:
the case looked rather strange afterwards!

To make a long story short, the chamber cast proved that the chamber is a (another) 10,75x68.

The previous owner said upon request that he has bought the rifle in caliber 10,75 and thought that it was a x57 because the extractor claw of the standard head size 8x57 fitted.
As it came out, the extractor was first missing and the pre-owner had only an original 8x57 extractor on stock, so the wrong one was assembled and gave the impression that the rifle must be a 10,75x57.

So, I am still looking for a 10,75x57!
Any offers are welcome (seriously)!

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Re: Additional information on Gustav Genschow/Kaba SN 905 [Re: Rolf]
      #265241 - 20/05/15 03:56 AM

thats bad luck

what do you want to do with the rifle now? I suspect this rechambering was done in scandinavia once and now you have a rifle without proof? in any case the extractor have to be adapt for the 10,75x68 rim and the rifle need a new proof( what will be happen without problems I suspect)to hold it or sell it.
remeber this when I see a rifle for sale what will happen sooner or later

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Re: Additional information on Gustav Genschow/Kaba SN 905 [Re: lancaster]
      #265302 - 20/05/15 08:12 PM

Hello lancaster,

I modified the extractor by myself and now it works!

I like the 10,75x68 so I do not intend to sell it (I gave another Mauser rifle in 10,75x68 to the Mauser Museum in Oberndorf because they had none, and I regarded this as a shame...)

But I do not know whether I shall keep this rifle it in the current condition (which is not a "collectible" one with the altered stock and extractor claw), or whether I shall modify it like mounting a scope, glass bedding the system, chopping the barrel to 58cm and use it for hunting?

Any ideas would be welcome!

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Re: Additional information on Gustav Genschow/Kaba SN 905 [Re: Rolf]
      #265317 - 21/05/15 04:40 AM

scope mount and class bedding is something I have done also with collectible rifles... ok, it was a period claw mount and glass bedding help an original but once splitted and repaired stock.
the octagonal to round barrel is best Suhl craftsmanship, I would not cut a mm of it.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #267055 - 27/06/15 08:46 PM

the heavy modified and rechambered to 9,3x62 rifle SN 1207 is for sale again
http://cordite.de/Auktion/1373/G.G.-Co-9,3x62-tolles-Holz-.-Achkantrundlauf,.html













this 10,75x68 http://gallery.bestguns.de/main.php?g2_itemId=3306 with a strong taste from being for decades in sweden looks like it comes from the maker of the Geco/Kaba rifles





















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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #276299 - 09/01/16 03:46 PM

Quote:

another Gustav Genschow 10,75x57 for sale in the united states
SN 13XX
http://www.gunsinternational.com/German-Sporting-Rifle-10-75-x-57MM.cfm?gun_id=100559724






You fellows are a bad influence on me. I ended up buying this rifle today. I did talk them down. A lot. Now to find dies. I'll probably order from CH4D unless one of you has a set sitting around collecting dust.


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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: mart]
      #276300 - 09/01/16 05:55 PM

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You fellows are a bad influence on me.




yes, we are the bad one you were warned before

I think you better dont wait to find a second hand die set.
just send ch4d a mail and order it there it works fine. best basic brass is 3006 and for having enough bullets I recommand a .424 bullet sizing die to press the 300 grains .429 down.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #276301 - 09/01/16 06:15 PM

I'll slug the bore when I get home from the slope in two weeks. I have an LBT mold for a beautiful 44 caliber 300 grain WLNGC bullet that ought to work well. I'll order a Lee push through sizer after I slug the bore. I've got lots of 06 brass and I'll order some Hawk and Woodleigh bullets and may look at a mold for a 350 grain bullet.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: mart]
      #276319 - 10/01/16 12:19 AM

Hello mart,

an US-gentlemen of the NE-forum sent me a set of two bullet diameter down-sizing dies from Lee.

Now I am practising with my 10,75x68 with cheap Sierra .44 Magnum 300grs SPFN bullets
(downsized from .430" to .423") with satisfactory precision upto 100m distance.

I can recommend these for practising, but the bullet velocity should be limited to max. 1500 fps.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: Rolf]
      #276322 - 10/01/16 12:50 AM

Rolf,

That's a good bullet. I do have plenty of the 300 grain cast bullets and will shoot them. I also have over a ton of lead for casting so won't run out of bullet material any time soon. The Lee sizer dies work well to resize cast bullets also. I use them to make bullets for my 401 Powermag from 41 mag cast bullets. This will be a fun project.

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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: mart]
      #287328 - 03/09/16 02:25 PM

for the archive, there is a Kaba in 10,75x57 for sale in norway

http://forum.robsoft.nu/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=221403

igorrock trying to get more informations but without success, time will tell because there are not many places in internet to find something about it



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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #315088 - 08/04/18 06:10 PM

igorrock again found this for sale in sweden
https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v18/kulgevar/4744_1

G.G. & Co KABA M 98, kal. 10,75x68, SN 1031, barrel 69 cm,
Pecar Variable 1,5-4x on claw mount, looks like a special order







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Re: Gustav Genschow/Kaba 10,75x57 [Re: lancaster]
      #378155 - 29/07/23 10:36 PM

after many years again a old 10,75x57 rifle but ruined https://auctionet.com/de/2925618-gustav-genschow-geco-98-kaliber-10-75x68-aussennr-1162





Gustav Genschow, the barrel and the shotghun style trigger guard alone is a clear sign, SN 1162

some idiot try to make a safary rifle rechamer it for the 10,75x68 and start to build a new english stock. than time or money ends.
it was a rifle made in the great depression times for the swedish moose hunter who want more than 9,3x57 and I know more than one collector / hunter who would have been happy to get a very rare 10,75x57 rifle for his gun safe.
now its destroyed, 31 euro bid and 4 days to go - stupidity at work

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