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lancaster
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a 404 Rigby
#183238 - 08/06/11 04:46 PM

I think its a post war made, hope to get more pics from the seller. looks like a nice working gun till now.

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3351830&PHPSESSID=46a66153160b9e7b4cb32a4b36206426

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: lancaster]
#183239 - 08/06/11 04:50 PM

Ask for the serial number as well.

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lancaster
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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: 500Nitro]
#183240 - 08/06/11 05:07 PM

of course, I have done

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: lancaster]
#183255 - 08/06/11 10:46 PM

More pics when you can Lancaster and any history on the rifle. It may well have a few tales to tell.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: Rule303]
#183459 - 11/06/11 09:50 PM

serial number 6771, would say its a post war made with a 1909 DWM action
what do you think about the serial number?

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: lancaster]
#183503 - 12/06/11 11:17 PM

As far as I know, John Rigby of London who are sponsors of this site, have now either acquired the old Rigby records, or have access to them. Maybe you could send them an e-mail or PM through the forums? Very nice rifle like all Rigbys - built to be used!

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justcurious
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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: mehulkamdar]
#183513 - 13/06/11 04:07 AM

This rifle has all the features of sound craftsmenship ,

but at least the customer couldn´t decide what he wanted to have built.

A H&H design or a Rigby style .

So both styles were mingled.

The outcome is what some call a bastard.

Just my 2cents

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: justcurious]
#183535 - 13/06/11 02:17 PM

Quote:

This rifle has all the features of sound craftsmenship ,

but at least the customer couldn´t decide what he wanted to have built.

A H&H design or a Rigby style .

So both styles were mingled.

Which bits are which in your opinion?

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justcurious
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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: NitroX]
#183562 - 13/06/11 06:47 PM

The details (as I see it).

H&H

Front sight(-protector)

Shape of the quarter rib

Stippling (parts of) receiver

Cheek piece

Rigby:

Surface treatment of the rib

Way (and for sure the content) of the inscription on barrel and receiver ring.

Barrel contour (shank and rear portion) is in between.

The barrel contour of this item (.404 Cal. ! )is something in between. It is found on Rigby´s up to .350 Cal.

and H&H usually made them up to .300 Cal.

Edited by justcurious (13/06/11 06:53 PM)

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: justcurious]
#183577 - 13/06/11 09:36 PM

H&H

Spear point rear sight base (1/4 rib is a no no for Jeff)

Stock pitch, no layback on the wrist and the cheek piece is the pits (FFS sake it looks like a canoe paddle)

Barrel profile is a mix.

WTF with the address on the barrel?

Indeterminate:

clubby forend
mid 50's style yankee Winnie style bolt shank (laid back)
crappy engraving (even for a basic gun)
crappy front sight

In short a cobbled together piece for a wanabee. Provenance doubtful

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: kamilaroi]
#183590 - 14/06/11 12:49 AM

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clubby forend

crappy front sight

In short a cobbled together piece for a wanabee. Provenance doubtful

Not sure I would agree with you there.

Although the cheekpiece is typical American style, the forend and grip look pretty much dead on for a Rigby as does the shaping around the right wall of the action.
The front sight is quite nice IMO. A bit short, but a nicely done sight.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: kamilaroi]
#183620 - 14/06/11 08:23 AM

I'll have to agree with kamilaroi on this one. I doubt the provenance as well. Nothing "Rigby" about this rifle including the barrel address.

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4seventy
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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: dons]
#183622 - 14/06/11 08:58 AM

This rifle looks to me like it could be a Paul Roberts Rigby.

Some Roberts Rigby's did feature a quarter rib with spear point.
The "FOR BIG GAME" engraved on the receiver is also seen on Roberts Rigby's, as were swept or bent bolt handles.

The proofmarks show the rifle to have been proofed at London post 1954.
The "LP" dating stamp wasn't used until 1971, suggesting the rifle was proofed post 1971, unless a reproof was carried out.
The actual date of proofing is located under the "LP" stamping, but I cannot make out what it is from the photos.

Roberts had the Rigby name from 1984 up untill 1997, so if the "LP" date is somewhere between those years, I'd say the rifle could be a Paul Roberts Rigby.

Edited to add.............
I think the Tons per Square Inch proofmark went metric about 1989, and was replaced by "BAR".
In theory, going on what can be seen of the proofmarks in the photo, this would put the rifle somewhere between 1971 and 1990.

Edited by 4seventy (14/06/11 02:53 PM)

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: 4seventy]
#183871 - 16/06/11 06:00 PM

Someone owns or is going to own it so why would you "bag" the piss out of it ???????????.

This narrow mindedness is what stops a lot of "lurkers" from posting as they think they or their firearms aren't worthy. WHICH IS A LOAD OF CRAP.

I hope it is as bad as you say Kamilaroi as I would get it cheap and love to have it in my stable.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: FATBOY404]
#183877 - 16/06/11 06:27 PM

Amen. A little less negativity would be a good idea.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: Empire375]
#183911 - 16/06/11 10:38 PM

OK FB; in short it's a good working piece but as for the label it may be mis-represented as a "Rigby". There have been enough convos over the "issues" of Rigby over the years by US posters however to represent it as such as a true to the ideal has done no-one any good

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: kamilaroi]
#183913 - 16/06/11 10:52 PM

All I'm saying is cant you make a comment without the "FFS" and "WTF" (FFS sake it looks like a canoe paddle)

Does that do anyone any good.

It is someones pride and joy !!.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: FATBOY404]
#183923 - 17/06/11 12:33 AM

Re the provenance, considering there was a company making all sorts of stuff in California calling their firearms "Rigby" we have no idea if they made it or not.

Even though the barrel says, "London, England" which the UK firm of Bramble - a member here on NE - has the rights to use. I doubt he made it however! As his bolt actions have a definitely different style.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: NitroX]
#183929 - 17/06/11 01:02 AM

That would make a wonderful cast bullet rifle - for me.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: NitroX]
#183970 - 17/06/11 08:40 AM

Quote:

Re the provenance, considering there was a company making all sorts of stuff in California calling their firearms "Rigby" we have no idea if they made it or not.

Even though the barrel says, "London, England" which the UK firm of Bramble - a member here on NE - has the rights to use. I doubt he made it however! As his bolt actions have a definitely different style.

John,
The proofs shown in one of the above photos identify the rifle as going through the London Proofhouse well before the current owner of the Rigby London (a NE member) set up shop.

The proofs also show that the Rifle went through the London Proofhouse before Geoff Miller (Cal Rigby) aquired the Rigby name.

The proofs show that the rifle could have been built during the era where Paul Roberts of J Roberts & Co or J Roberts & Son owned the rights to use the Rigby London name.

J Roberts is a highly respected London Gunmaker established in 1950, who has been building guns since the mid 70's, and later building guns using the Rigby name between 1984 and 1997, and guns under the Jeffery name, between 2000 and 2010.

J Roberts Gunmakers

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: Empire375]
#183982 - 17/06/11 01:09 PM

Quote:

Someone owns or is going to own it so why would you "bag" the piss out of it ???????????.

This narrow mindedness is what stops a lot of "lurkers" from posting as they think they or their firearms aren't worthy. WHICH IS A LOAD OF CRAP.

I hope it is as bad as you say Kamilaroi as I would get it cheap and love to have it in my stable.

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Amen. A little less negativity would be a good idea.

+1.

Similar comments on another thread like "to each their own"..............

If you don't like it, fair enough. But why belittle it.

I thought it would be easier to shrug and hit the "back" tab than to type something mean or nasty.

Fatboy404 is correct in his statement about a lot of lurkers not posting due to this. It took me a hell of a long time to post on here.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: HuntingSchneider]
#183998 - 17/06/11 06:33 PM

You should have in mind that the rifle was quoted for US $ 8.400,-

Certainly a bargain for a true and honest original Rigby build to prewar standards.

But the rifle we see here is substandard and overpriced.

And when some comments are no compliments , it is not badmouthing the rifle, but to show the unexperienced , what should be taken into consideration.

All to often people pay for a name and not always for quality.

I guess 4seventy ´s judgement, concerning the source of thet rifle, is right.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: justcurious]
#183999 - 17/06/11 06:55 PM

Just saying that we can question its "value" and authenticity without calling it a joke and a piece of crap.

I thought it was worth between $5k and $7k maybe ???.Thought the name would add $2.5K.

I think of the blokes looking at this thread and thinking "shit I'm not sticking my guns up there to be ridiculed like that".
You would be supprised how many blokes feel this way.

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: FATBOY404]
#184000 - 17/06/11 07:17 PM

And you'd be surprised WHO those blokes are...

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Re: a 404 Rigby [Re: 4seventy]
#184001 - 17/06/11 07:36 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Re the provenance, considering there was a company making all sorts of stuff in California calling their firearms "Rigby" we have no idea if they made it or not.

Even though the barrel says, "London, England" which the UK firm of Bramble - a member here on NE - has the rights to use. I doubt he made it however! As his bolt actions have a definitely different style.

John,
The proofs shown in one of the above photos identify the rifle as going through the London Proofhouse well before the current owner of the Rigby London (a NE member) set up shop.

The proofs also show that the Rifle went through the London Proofhouse before Geoff Miller (Cal Rigby) aquired the Rigby name.

The proofs show that the rifle could have been built during the era where Paul Roberts of J Roberts & Co or J Roberts & Son owned the rights to use the Rigby London name.

J Roberts is a highly respected London Gunmaker established in 1950, who has been building guns since the mid 70's, and later building guns using the Rigby name between 1984 and 1997, and guns under the Jeffery name, between 2000 and 2010.

J Roberts Gunmakers

OK. Thanks for the info.

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