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DPhillips
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Mannlicher 6.5
      #67765 - 22/12/06 04:04 PM

Can someone post a pic of a 6.5 Mannlicher like Bell or Andrews would have used in the early 20th Century?

TIA

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DPhillips]
      #67842 - 23/12/06 05:08 AM

Not exactly what you are looking for, but the hat certainly fits the part.

Would the traditional M-S carbine be the one's they used - as is shown here? Or did they use the normal rifle stocked ones?

Anyone who knows?





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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: NitroX]
      #67860 - 23/12/06 07:43 AM

I'm not sure about Bell, but I suspect Andrews probably used the normal stocked version, maybe with a 24" or longer barrel?

The rifle in the photo sure looks interesting, any close up pics?

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DPhillips]
      #67986 - 24/12/06 04:14 PM

DPh:
Bell's Mannlicher Schoenauer exists today and is in the hands of a collector in the USA.
I have seen photos of it in an article by Don Henry in an American gun magazine,
it even has Bell's 3-digit Nairobi phone number under the trap in the butt!
Unfortunately I would be unable to locate the article in the short term.

You could contact Don, or the Mannlicher Collectors Association, directly with your enquiry.
Might be worth joining, or subscribing to their magazine. Contact details are on their web page:

http://www.mannlicher.org/contact.htm

Don Henry
MCA Co-founder & Executive Editor of 'The Mannlicher Collector'
Post Office Box 7144
Salem, Oregon 97303

Meanwhile, here's about the best photo I could find on the web at short notice:


Sorry 'bout the size, the image is stolen of course!
Note also that it has the 1951 safety, the original was a Mauser-style flag safety on the cocking-piece.

BTW, you can buy Denys Finch-Hatton's 6.5 MS if you've got a lazy $18,000 Australian lying around!

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Marrakai]
      #68272 - 29/12/06 09:39 AM

I don't know what he finished with, but I have read other accounts of Bell using the 6.5x53Rimmed Dutch or Romanian rifle and Full Patch ammo, not the Mann 6.5x54. It also said that it was only modern-type writers who changed that to the 6.5x54Mann. due to their limited knowledge of all the preliferation of 6.5's used in those days.
; So - what's true & what is imagined?

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DarylS]
      #68279 - 29/12/06 12:57 PM

Damn! Might have to go dig out the article....

Anyone contacted the MCA?

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Marrakai]
      #68289 - 29/12/06 03:13 PM

I read Roy Chapman Andrews' "Across Mongolian Plains" and his only notation about his rifle was 6.5 Mannlicher. I had assumed it was like Bell's, Jamison's, etc... I guess maybe not?

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DPhillips]
      #68373 - 30/12/06 05:03 PM

As to ballistics, only the 6.5x58 Portugese and 6.5x55Mauser developed higher speeds with the 156gr. full patched bullets. All the rest were pretty much equal, I think, in the 2,350fps range rimmed or rimmless, 52mm to 54mm. The longer cases only added another 100fps or thereabouts.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DarylS]
      #68929 - 06/01/07 02:43 PM

if anyone wants to see a picture of a 6.5x53R go to vintage doubles.com there is one there that is cased ,i have 2 of these rifles really sleek ,little lighter than my 275.rigby and points real nice both of my guns were built by GIBBS as he built most of them for other retailers also .
ken waters did a page in his " favorite rifles" articles in rifle magazine a few years ago it was a very inforative peice about a roifle that is hardly ever encountered

d phillips what is the serial number and does it begin with "B" .....PAUL

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: pjaln]
      #69511 - 15/01/07 05:08 PM

Paul,
I don't have the rifle, and don't have any information about it. I was looking for information about it. What the rifle and cartridge those rifles might have been.

Thanks to all that responded.

Great pics and Thanks!

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DPhillips]
      #70139 - 25/01/07 07:22 AM

On one my visits to the Museum of Natural History (about 5 yrs ago) they had quite a good, if temporary display on Andrews. They stated he always carried 2 rifles on expedition. A 6.5 M-S ,the model 1903, and a Savage 99 in 250.

Sounded like a duplication of effort to me. But maybe he was covering the bases for ammo availability, with Euro/english calibers available in some locales and American in others?

SOS

Nearly forgot, I have a 256 Mann sporter by Jeffery which I'd be happy to post a picture of if only I could find a 6 yr old child to assist me.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #70145 - 25/01/07 08:32 AM

You can send them to me and I'd be glad to post the photos or help you post them. I love to see the different rifles.
daleatkins@suddenlink.net

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: dale]
      #70201 - 26/01/07 11:36 AM

Thanks Dale, I'll get some taken and send them to you.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #70562 - 31/01/07 02:09 PM

Pictures for SOS





















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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: dale]
      #70567 - 31/01/07 03:30 PM

great looking gun and a step up in looks than the gibbs that i have ...paul

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: pjaln]
      #70585 - 01/02/07 01:20 AM

Thankyou to Dale for posting the pics for me.
She's a beauty alright. Marked "1897 Steyr"
"Sighted & Finished by W J Jeffery & Co 15 King St, St James London"
"MAXM 37 GRS RIFLEITE"

26" barrel and 13 3/4" pull.
I had the Fr sight replaced and bolt face erosion repaired. A prior owner refinished the wood and metal.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #70658 - 02/02/07 09:50 AM

That Steyr is a beautiful rifle. WOW!
: Corbin Shell needs to see this.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #70662 - 02/02/07 10:37 AM

Pete, (SOS)

Please contact me.

Corbin Shell
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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #70664 - 02/02/07 10:39 AM

SOS,

You have a very nice Dutch Sporter. A shame that the bolt face has been machined. How much did it change the headspace?

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: 1980E26]
      #70705 - 03/02/07 01:46 AM

Headspace was unaffected. The 'smith drilled out the affected area. threaded and installed a bushing. The English term would be disc set striker. He said it's a routine procedure on older rifles.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: 1980E26]
      #70909 - 06/02/07 09:28 PM

Hi DPhillips,
here is the answer for you.The pics are showing an original
Mannlicher in 6,5x53R without any further modification since 1898 whin the rifle was biult.
regards Johann from Austria







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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Collath_500BPE]
      #70913 - 07/02/07 12:26 AM

Look guys, this is all very well, the Dutch or Romanian Steyr-Mannlicher makes up
into a marvellous 'vintage' sporter, but it was NOT used by WDM Bell!

He used a Mannlicher Schoenauer!

Along with Steffanson, Lyell, Pease, Percival, Fynch-Hatton, Andrews, Selous, Stigand,
Vanderbyl, etc, etc, etc....

DarylS's earlier post has finally got me off my butt to find the magazine article
with colour pictures of Bell's 6.5mm Mannlicher Schoenauer. Alas, the magazines are
boxed-up since our move almost 2 years ago, but I did find a B&W photocopy.
The quality is poor, apologies, but it does show the 1903 carbine clearly, complete with
cocking-piece peep-sight, Bell's Nairobi phone number stamped into the butt-trap (No. 714),
and the proud owner at the time Mr Mike Hill.





The article was called "The Mannlicher Schoenauer: Evolution of a Sporting Rifle" by Don Henry,
Australian Shooters Journal (2-part series) Part 2 December 1991.

It sure took some finding! I reckon you all owe me a beer!

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Marrakai]
      #70923 - 07/02/07 03:43 AM

Marrakai - thanks for posting the picture and writeup. Now, I know. I hate it when conflicting info comes in from different sources, each claming to be the truth.

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: DarylS]
      #70954 - 07/02/07 02:11 PM

No worries, Daryl.

My only 'pet hate' is people who perpetuate mis-information or opinion as bold statements
of fact, and then get 'uppity' when evidence is presented to the contrary.

Nothing wrong with polite enquiry, how else are we to learn?
I regret not having had the time to dig out that article in the first place,
but then we might have missed the marvellous Steyr photos from Dale and Collath!

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Re: Mannlicher 6.5 [Re: Marrakai]
      #71014 - 08/02/07 05:32 PM

Hi Marrakai, Daryl S and DPhillips,
I want to apologize myself to the above mentioned Gentlemen if I created some high blood pressure posting the 6,5x53R Mannlicher 1898.
Here is the explaination :
According to the Austrian hunting school lessons we have a differnt ways of talking about Mannlicher hunting rifles.
A Mannlicher in 6,5 caliber is everytime for us a 6,5x53R and a Mannlicher Stutzen ( full stock )in 6,5 is for all of us hunter in Europe a 6,5x54 M.Sch.
Marrakai the beer is already cooled down for you.You are welcome at any time in my home.
But if I find time when I am retired we can take some beers together in Australia during a hunting trip with you.I plan it for 2010.
My grandfather ordered in 1900 also a o/u gun in 6,5x53R and 16GA and a M.Sch.in 6,5x54 M.Sch.as posted.
Exuses to all and regards Johann









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