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Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action
      #374521 - 26/02/23 08:42 PM

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Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action
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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: NitroX]
      #374523 - 26/02/23 09:12 PM


Yup.. that's what they do.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374524 - 26/02/23 10:58 PM

Now that is SLICK!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: 93x64mm]
      #374526 - 27/02/23 12:29 AM

How about with a cartridge in the magazine?

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: NitroX]
      #374527 - 27/02/23 12:59 AM

Model 1871 Mausers do that as well, even the earliest ones.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: DarylS]
      #374548 - 27/02/23 09:54 AM

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How about with a cartridge in the magazine?



Not a good idea to allow the bolt to slam closed on a live round with the trigger pulled back, unless you are happy risking a hole in your gun-room floor!
...and some serious hearing loss!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: DarylS]
      #374549 - 27/02/23 09:56 AM

Well I suppose the Mannlicher Schoenauer's must have something going for them, that split bridge and way too far forward bolt handle don't do much at all.

The Schultz and Larsen rear locking M60, M65 and M68 properly define smoothness, including feed from their magazines too. Did I forget to mention their triggers, best in the business, can't be beaten.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: eagle27]
      #374550 - 27/02/23 10:26 AM

To quote The American Rifleman:
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The Mannlicher was one of the first of the small-bore, bolt-action repeaters that would turn the sporting world on its ear. The 1898 version of the British Encyclopedia of Sport stated that the 6.5 and .303 “have effected a revolution in game shooting.” Like earlier Mannlicher turnbolts the Mannlicher-Schoenauer became popular with fine English gunsmiths, from Gibbs to Holland & Holland, who built custom guns on both military and commercial actions in carbine, rifle and takedown forms.


Yeah, eagle27, I guess you could say they must have had something going for them!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Marrakai]
      #374552 - 27/02/23 11:58 AM

OK, found the reference in Truesdell's wonderful book "The Rifle and its Development for Big Game Hunting", which by the way lists all published users of the Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles in the heyday of outdoor sports:
St. George Littledale in a letter to Denis Lyell famously wrote about a .256 Mannlicher rifle given to him by Sir Edmund Loder while preparing for a trip to Tibet. Protesting that "I have a room full of rifles and do not want any more, all Loder said was "try the Mannlicher", and like Lily Langtry and the soap, I have used no other since."

The actual quote from Lillie Langtree in the Pear's Soap advert at the time seems to be "I prefer it to any other".

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Marrakai]
      #374553 - 27/02/23 12:17 PM

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How about with a cartridge in the magazine?



Not a good idea to allow the bolt to slam closed on a live round with the trigger pulled back, unless you are happy risking a hole in your gun-room floor!
...and some serious hearing loss!



What he said,^.

I suspect it would still close, never tried it with a 'dummy' cartridge.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: eagle27]
      #374554 - 27/02/23 12:22 PM

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Well I suppose the Mannlicher Schoenauer's must have something going for them, that split bridge and way too far forward bolt handle don't do much at all.





The bolt handle location is a matter of preference and does provide excellent balance as one works the mass from center, not from hind end.

The 'split bridge'... have you ever heard of an MS failing?

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374555 - 27/02/23 12:49 PM

I know Rothhammer. People on other sites are always going on to me about the split bridge and how hard it is to mount a scope. I believe that it comes from hearing that from others and no actual experience with a MS rifle. I've never heard of one failing. If it was good enough W. Bell and so many other they will do for me.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: casper50]
      #374556 - 27/02/23 02:00 PM

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I know Rothhammer. People on other sites are always going on to me about the split bridge and how hard it is to mount a scope. I believe that it comes from hearing that from others and no actual experience with a MS rifle. I've never heard of one failing. If it was good enough W. Bell and so many other they will do for me.



That's what makes this forum so valuable.

The internet is rife with decades old misinformation and often well intentioned (though usually wrong) 'advice' regarding Mannlicher Schoenauers. NitroExpress provides a haven for and resource of actual, factual, information and first hand knowledge of these firearms.

When I was gathering information regarding Grand Dad's M1910 in the late 1980s U.S., that from local 'gunsmiths' (some quite capable), gun shops, and such was scarce and generally inaccurate at best.

Often heard 'advice' ranged from "It can't be original because..."
- it doesn't have a 'Mannlicher Stock'.
- it has a single trigger, all MS had doubles.
- it's too long.
- it's too short.
- no tellin' who cut up the stock like this (it's an original Take Down Model).
- if it wuz mine I'd ream it out to... .
- it's a wall hanger.

I was told outright to not shoot it as 'Those furrin' guns had crappy steel', 'You'll never find ammo for it' (fairly accurate there, but one can handload), and other sage advice.

I was entirely certain that the MS was (still is) as it was when purchased by my Grandfather in Ceylon, circa 1930, fitted case and all, and that it was among the premier firearms of its day.

A saving grace was the Stoeger 'Shooter's Bible' of (1989?) which ran a Don Henry article about 'Mysterious Metrics' which, along with a few original DWM531 cartridges from the MS' case, led me to reloading information and to the archives of the Mannlicher Collector's Association (thank you, Kevin Tikker).


Those who point out difficulties / expense of mounting 'scopes to early MS are, however, correct.
As time goes by it is increasingly difficult to even locate someone capable of properly mounting and sighting an MS and who is willing to do so. I am fortunate that Grand Dad's wears a properly claw mounted Gerard B that was on it when he bought the 1922 proofed M1910 'second hand'.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Marrakai]
      #374558 - 27/02/23 02:13 PM

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374560 - 27/02/23 02:29 PM

The model 1900 that I just bought has the original Vienna style bases and I happen to have a spare set of rings. Might need some hand touch up but hopefully will work. I do have to find a period German scope as the rings were taken off the scope when I bought them.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: casper50]
      #374561 - 27/02/23 02:49 PM

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The model 1900 that I just bought has the original Vienna style bases and I happen to have a spare set of rings. Might need some hand touch up but hopefully will work. I do have to find a period German scope as the rings were taken off the scope when I bought them.



Video gaming has greatly affected the market for those as well as for early 20th Century military arms, WW1 and WW2 accoutrement.

What was once a 'funny foreign thing' or simply an obsolete optic is now marketed as an "original WW1 or WW2 period Mauser sniper scope" with greatly inflated prices, often exceeding $1,000 USD.

'BTW':

Congrats on the M1900! Is there an M1924 Sequoia in the forecast?

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374562 - 27/02/23 02:56 PM

Already have one. I would like to get another 1892. I foolishly sold my other two.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: casper50]
      #374564 - 27/02/23 03:37 PM

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Already have one. I would like to get another 1892. I foolishly sold my other two.



Soon you may have to branch to these?



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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374565 - 27/02/23 03:50 PM

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Well I suppose the Mannlicher Schoenauer's must have something going for them, that split bridge and way too far forward bolt handle don't do much at all.





The bolt handle location is a matter of preference and does provide excellent balance as one works the mass from center, not from hind end.

The 'split bridge'... have you ever heard of an MS failing?



The split bridge is not a safety issue, just a prick to mount scopes when there are simpler designs of rifles and mounts available, been there done that. I did actually shoot my first Reh Bock with a nice old fully wooded MS in that classic 6.5x54 cartridge but then I did decades of hunting from close in bush stalking for whitetails and red stag to open long range alpine stuff for chamois and tahr and the 7x61S&H Shultz and Larsen with low mounted scope and 60 degree bolt lift excelled.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: eagle27]
      #374566 - 27/02/23 04:10 PM

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The split bridge is not a safety issue, just a prick to mount scopes when there are simpler designs of rifles and mounts available, been there done that.



A situation addressed on later models:



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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374567 - 27/02/23 05:31 PM

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Those who point out difficulties / expense of mounting 'scopes to early MS are, however, correct.
As time goes by it is increasingly difficult to even locate someone capable of properly mounting and sighting an MS and who is willing to do so.



Find an old German or Austrian trained gunsmith.

As for all those "experts" their plagiarism will soon be out out of business or worse added to by AI articles, blogs and Q&A.

Imagine what AI will do. Just troll the internet and then "decide" on the answer by mass plagiarism. Absolute ZERO "personal" experience ...

What a Sad New World ...

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #374568 - 27/02/23 05:35 PM

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Video gaming has greatly affected the market for those as well as for early 20th Century military arms, WW1 and WW2 accoutrement.

What was once a 'funny foreign thing' or simply an obsolete optic ...



And since the cancer of video gaming search for an old vintage X and one gets swamped by video gaming experts, cad pictures etc.

Oh the horror!

Surely a good vintage Steyr or Mannlicher is immune to modern dropkicks?!

Why can't they all be satisfied with plastic fantastic stocked 6.5 Creedmanbuns?!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: NitroX]
      #374930 - 08/03/23 04:59 AM

I use all of my Mannlicher rifles regularly for hunting! the older ones with open sights! I have posted some photos on this forum in the past! I have some later models with scope mounts and scopes on them, like a 7x64 and a .308 with a modern Zeiss scope, but I still prefer the old open sight rifles!! they ooze style and function, and nothing feed as smooth a MS rifle!! Enough said!

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #374936 - 08/03/23 07:49 AM

I have to say that while the Mannlicher Schoenauer is certainly very smooth I have always found that the original Mannlicher rifle such as the Model 1895/92 to be the smoothest of all. In part this is helped by the large bolt knob that these rifles have, but also the close tolerances of the mating parts and the high standard that these rifles were finished.

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Re: Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles have the smoothest action [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #374979 - 09/03/23 07:27 AM

Absolutely they are smooth! First rifle I ever owned that would feed 5 fired cases from the magazine without a hitch. Only wart I can find on them is the stock is too long for my short arms to reach the bolt handle without lowering the stock from my shoulder. My latest stutzen had the stock shortened and a pad added which made it perfect for me to operate while shouldered.

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