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yamoon
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Magazine alteration
      #368427 - 18/08/22 07:07 AM

It looks like the chances of finding a 1910 9.5x57 magazine are slim and none. There is a 1908 8x56 available. What do you guys think of using a drimmel tool to alter the spool to take 9.5x57. Too difficult or doable? I probably should not have bought a rifle with out a magazine, but it was so cheap I took the chance I could find a magazine.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #368431 - 18/08/22 09:46 AM

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It looks like the chances of finding a 1910 9.5x57 magazine are slim and none. There is a 1908 8x56 available. What do you guys think of using a drimmel tool to alter the spool to take 9.5x57. Too difficult or doable?....




I can think of two methods that may yield a better result, are 'doable', but would perhaps be expensive / more difficult to arrange and either would require use of a 'loaner' magazine. One could borrow an M1910 magazine spool and:

A) Consult with a firm that does high quality 3D printed prototypes, have them scan the original spool and / or carrier / housing and have them 'printed' in a durable material.

B) Same idea, but contact a competent manufacturing jeweler and have precise wax castings done in bronze or stainless steel.

Either would provide the opportunity to recoup expense by having small lots produced and selling them to other MS aficionados.







M1903, M1910


M1903, M1910, M1924, 'M1925' in 8X60, M1952 in 6.5X68


M1910, M1924


M1903



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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #368454 - 20/08/22 02:12 AM

I don’t have a M 1908 Mannlicher – Schoenauer to compare magazine details, but I have 1900, 1903, 1905 and 1910 model rifles. Two may be seen in my old photo, posted by Rothammer above. The rotating magazine followers are all of the same basic dimensions and fit the bottom metal of t other models. Merely the grooves in the caseneck separating stars and the troughs for the bullets are carved out different. The photo shows a 1910 9.5x57 follower on top and a 1905 9x56 one below.

Imho It is possible to alter a 1908 8x56 M-S follower by careful and time consuming use of a Dremel and grinding stones to take the 9.5x57, though I never tried. The base and bullet guiding ledges in the mag body may need some grinding too. One little quirk remains: the mag botton of the 1910 is about 1 mm wider than the 1905. This would leave a .02” gap between metal and wood on both sides of a 1905 magazine in a 1910 stock. But as M-S magazines are fitted and held metal to metal onto the receivers, this should not affect function. In your place, I would try the conversion from 08 to 10. Alas, an ill fitting but working magazine is far better than no magazine at all.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: kuduae]
      #368785 - 29/08/22 09:34 PM

It can be done with a Dremel type tool. But that takes some patience and Dremel type skill!

I'd make a copy of the 9.5 cartridge on the Lathe. Then make a 'D' reamer out of it,,heat treated of course. These simple single cutting edge reamers are simple to make and cut beautifully but rather slow.

The reamer must be made so that it has a support extension made on both ends. One for driving the reamer and the other end for center/tailstock type support if needed.

The orig magazine follower cartridge flutes would be milled to the new dimensions with this D reamer by coming down into each flute from the top,,full length cut all at once.
Slowly advancing into the old flute, the reamer will start cutting the neck and shoulder portion first, then the cut away for the bullet nose clearance. Then finally the body portion of the reamer will make contact with the existing cut in the rotor.

At that point, the old flute has been recut to the new cartridge dimension.

It can be done on a Lathe or a Mill but will take some careful set up and positioning each flute.
Cut very slow, slow speed and feed and plenty of quality cutting oil.
A solid no vibration set up is needed for success.

It ain't fast, but a nice professional looking job can result.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: 2152hq]
      #368797 - 30/08/22 07:05 AM

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I'd make a copy of the 9.5 cartridge on the Lathe...



Like this for original specification, or match bullet profile to one that is readily available or to your preference (.375 270 grain RN have become rather scarce these days):



If it goes well, one could machine a rotor for each bullet profile and have smooth feeding with various non original projectiles. Wax cast copies of the rotors could be sold to recoup expense.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #369156 - 11/09/22 04:36 AM

There was a thresd on a M1903 converted from 6.5x54 to their proprietary .400-375 cartridge by Holland & Holland. So the magazine conversion is doable.
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=55742&an=0&page=32#Post55742

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: kuduae]
      #369176 - 11/09/22 06:29 PM

I have seen an original one from H&H and the rotor was modified with ball nose cutters but there is a limit to how much can be altered, which is why the cartridge has a very long neck as it was designed around the machining limitations of the rotor. The action is also modified and while they used the 1903 action to start with they very quickly switched to the 1905 action when it became available as it is wider and there is less machining required.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #369567 - 26/09/22 08:01 AM

Very lucky to find a 1910 magazine on eBay today, made an offer, it was accepted. Soon, no more single shot 1910.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #369570 - 26/09/22 10:19 AM

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Very lucky to find a 1910 magazine on eBay today, made an offer, it was accepted. Soon, no more single shot 1910.
Mike



A fortunate purchase, indeed!

Glad to hear of it. Now you can feed her from 'stripper clips'.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #369614 - 28/09/22 01:03 PM

Yes, I was worried about hunting those vicious Kansas white tail with just one round in the rifle.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #369634 - 29/09/22 08:22 AM

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Yes, I was worried about hunting those vicious Kansas white tail with just one round in the rifle.
Mike



Or this guy?:



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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #369673 - 30/09/22 10:52 AM

The magazine arrived today. It is mechanically excellent, but most of the finish is worn off the lower magazine plate. The plate that came with the rifle has a verry good finish. Will I get myself in trouble removing the clip that holds the lower plate on, I would like to swap out the plates. I made up dummy rounds using both the Hornaday 270 gr RN and the Speer 235 gr SP, they both cycle thru the magazine fine as long as I Keep OAL at 3 inches. You guys that have worked with the Mannlicher magazine let me know about swapping the lower plate.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #369674 - 30/09/22 11:32 AM

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Will I get myself in trouble removing the clip that holds the lower plate on, I would like to swap out the plates.




American Rifleman, Sept. 1963 has exploded view and instruction for basic mag and bolt disassembly.
I've never had a reason to remove the bottom plate on mine:






Another:



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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #369697 - 01/10/22 04:32 AM

Went ahead and changed the floor plate, no problems. I am very happy to have a complete rifle for such a small investment. The bore is very good, metal finish is good, wood may have been refinished, original steel trap door butt plate. Thanks for the parts break down.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #369717 - 01/10/22 05:00 PM

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Went ahead and changed the floor plate, no problems.



So the clip was easily pushed out of place and reinstalled afterward?

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #369748 - 02/10/22 07:48 AM

If it's part#30 in the drawing,,the floor plate spring retainer clip,,,
They are just that, a spring clip.
Slightly arched and they snap into and out of place with a bit of effort.
I usually use a small dia wooden dowel to tap them in and out of position if finger pressure alone doesn't do it.
Their arched shape and the fact that they are a spring and snap into position is what holds them in place.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: 2152hq]
      #369759 - 02/10/22 11:20 AM

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If it's part#30 in the drawing,,the floor plate spring retainer clip,,,
They are just that, a spring clip.
Slightly arched and they snap into and out of place with a bit of effort.
I usually use a small dia wooden dowel to tap them in and out of position if finger pressure alone doesn't do it.
Their arched shape and the fact that they are a spring and snap into position is what holds them in place.



That's what I would have guessed regarding removal / install, but I've never had reason to do so.

Your post adds value to this thread as others may come to it in future for just such instruction.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #369955 - 07/10/22 11:43 AM

I used a small screwdriver with some difficulty. The only caveat is to make sure the small dimples in the clip seat correctly.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #369985 - 08/10/22 02:30 AM

I managed to acquire another 100 Hornaday 3715 270gr round nose. With the 50 I have that should be enough to work up a load. Looking forward to some trips to the range this fall.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #370029 - 08/10/22 12:22 PM

Quality Cartridge (Qual - Cart) makes properly sized and head stamped cartridge cases for the 9.5X57 / .375 Nitro Express Rimless:



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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #370526 - 21/10/22 02:23 AM

Don't you love it when a plan comes together? Congratulations.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: JDL]
      #370557 - 22/10/22 04:58 PM

I got lucky and just bought a 1903 magazine off of ebay for $50. Don't need it at the moment but you never know.

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #370560 - 22/10/22 11:45 PM

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It looks like the chances of finding a 1910 9.5x57 magazine are slim and none. There is a 1908 8x56 available. What do you guys think of using a drimmel tool to alter the spool to take 9.5x57. Too difficult or doable? I probably should not have bought a rifle with out a magazine, but it was so cheap I took the chance I could find a magazine.
Mike


Mike, I may be missing something here but what are you going to do with getting a 9.5 barrel chambered for the 9.5x57?

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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: LRF]
      #370653 - 24/10/22 05:24 PM

Not sure I understand your question, it is a standard 1910, but was missing the magazine. I got lucky and found a 1910 magazine on eBay. It fit and functioned correctly.
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Re: Magazine alteration [Re: yamoon]
      #372045 - 05/12/22 12:26 PM

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