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Nickel scope pronunciation
      #349195 - 13/01/21 06:22 AM

I have a Mannlicher with an older Nickel scope on it and I was wondering how to pronounce the German brand name "Nickel." Is it the same as the English word for the metal nickel ("Ni-kull")?...or is it something else altogether...perhaps "Ny-Kell" or something else? Could a German speaker please inform me of the correct pronunciation. Thanks.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: rpeck]
      #349198 - 13/01/21 06:46 AM

It is just as a nickel - five-cent coin

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: 93mouse]
      #349200 - 13/01/21 08:02 AM






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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349214 - 13/01/21 05:29 PM

Same as English to my knowledge.

https://www.google.com/search?q=proununc...me&ie=UTF-8

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349215 - 13/01/21 05:32 PM

Slight difference in German.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1168&a...HSlsCVwQ4dUDCA0

Click on the audio button.

If the link does not work, just enter "Pronunciation of German Nickel" in google.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349228 - 14/01/21 12:45 AM

I hear it as "Nee-kay" on those internet sites.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: rpeck]
      #349233 - 14/01/21 10:19 AM

As a German, I am not familiar with English descriptions of pronounciations. But I speak “Nickel” just like Melanie once pronounced it in her “Nickel Song”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAGeVtLOsYo


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: kuduae]
      #349235 - 14/01/21 10:38 AM

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349243 - 14/01/21 10:59 PM

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: rpeck]
      #349292 - 16/01/21 05:22 AM

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why?




Why so large? Just the way the image was formatted, I suppose.

Why that image? It illustrates the first answer on this thread, from 93mouse, "It is just as a nickel - five-cent coin".

Why is a U.S. five cent coin referred to as a 'nickel'? The original five cent coin, as defined in the Mint Act of 1792, was a silver 'half dime' that was half the weight of the ten cent 'dime' and of the same alloy.

In the 1860s, with the Civil War raging and people hoarding all silver and gold coinage (which was also being shipped abroad by speculators as metal prices rose), there was a severe shortage of 'small change' in the United States.

In desperation, the public resorted to use of postage stamps as currency which became a great nuisance as they brought ragged, used, stamps to post offices to exchange for new ones.

As remedy, the Treasury Department issued 'Fractional Currency' notes of three to fifty cents as well as 'base metal' low denomination coins. Along with changing the cent composition to bronze in 1864 a new two cent bronze coin was added and in 1865 the three cent silver (1851 - 72) was joined by a three cent coin with a new composition of 75% copper, 25% nickel - the first 'Nickel'.

With the success of the new three cent 'nickel', a new five cent coin of the same 75/25 copper nickel mix was introduced in 1866, though the silver half dime would also be produced in decreasing numbers through 1873. The three cent 'nickel' was produced only through 1889, then largely forgotten. Over time the five cent became known as a 'Nickel' and is produced in the same metal today.


First U.S. 'Nickel' - Three Cents


Second 'Nickel' - Five Cents


Fractional Currency

By 1889 the emergency had passed, metal prices normalized, the two cent and three cent coins had been eliminated, but the one cent bronze and five cent 'nickel remained in production.

Why did the 1913 - 1938 'nickel' portray a Native American and a bison? In the early 20th Century, President Theodore Roosevelt had decided that U.S. coinage designs then in use were just plain bland. He sought artists from outside of the mint to design coinage that would 'reflect the American spirit' and for the five cent coin engaged the eminent husband and wife sculptors James and Laura Fraser. Fraser was well known as an artist and sculptor and would create the well known 'end of the trail' statue that was displayed at the 1915 Pan Pacific Exposition at San Francisco.


End of the Trail - James Fraser

The original plaster sculpture was subsequently displayed for decades at Mooney Park in Visalia, California (just 'down the hill' from where I now sit) until it was 'swapped' in 1968 to the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City, OK, in exchange for an exact cast bronze replica which is now at Mooney Park.

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Why is the name of a German riflescope pronounced the same as the word for a U.S. five cent coin? Beats me... I'm not a linguist.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349298 - 16/01/21 06:25 AM

There is no such thing as 'correct' pronunciation of any language just as there is a wide variation of pronunciation amongst native speakers of english. An english speaker, unless very fluent in another language, will generally mispronounce the other language compared with a native speaker and vice versa.

Sako, Brno, Mauser, Kahles, Swarovski, etc are all mispronounced by english speakers compared to their native language speaker but how english speakers pronounce them is not correct or incorrect it is what it is.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349301 - 16/01/21 08:41 AM

Rothhammer1 thanks for posting that information, it is very interesting to me. I did not know the US had a Threepence. In Aust sometimes pronounced as Thrupemce. A half penny was "Hapeney"

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rule303]
      #349306 - 16/01/21 11:00 AM

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Rothhammer1 thanks for posting that information, it is very interesting to me. I did not know the US had a Threepence. In Aust sometimes pronounced as Thrupemce. A half penny was "Hapeney"




I'm glad you liked it!

The U.S. 3c wasn't truly a 'threepence', as the U.S. has never issued a penny.

The United States Mint has, however, produced coinage for several other nations over the years including Threepence, Sixpence, Shillings and Florins for Australia during 1942 and 1943.


Minted at Denver, Colorado


U.S. Half Cent

As you may recall, the British 'LSD' system had 240 pence to a pound sterling. The U.S. system is quasi - decimal.

The United States monetary system and its divisions were laid out in the Mint Act of 1792. Per the Constitution, all accounts of the United States were to be expressed in "Spanish Milled Dollars" as they were the most widely respected currency throughout the Americas and maritime trade.

There was considerable merit seen among the 'age of enlightenment' element in establishing a decimal monetary system, yet there was a need to make convenient change for the Spanish dollar which was divided into eight 'reales' - the fabled 'pieces of eight'. Spanish mints produced subsidiary coins of one, two, and four reales for this purpose which widely circulated in the western hemisphere.

To satisfy the metric desire the act established cents (.01), dimes (.10), dollars (1), and eagles (10). To interchange with Spanish coin there would be half cent (.005), quarter dollar (.25) and half dollar (.50) coins. As the old saying went, "two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar... . The real was commonly referred to as a 'bit' and was equal to twelve and a half cents.

Half dimes (.05), quarter eagles (2.50) and half eagles (5.00) were also included.

Hence, the original coinage of the United States was thus:

Copper

0.005 - Half Cent

0.01 - Cent

Silver

0.05 - Half Dime

0.10 - Dime

0.25 - Quarter Dollar

0.50 - Half Dollar

1.00 - Dollar (also 'Unit')

Gold

2.50 - Quarter Eagle

5.00 - Half Eagle

10.00 - Eagle

The original U.S. three cent was a tiny silver coin derisively known as a 'fishcale' which was introduced through U.S. Post Offices in 1851 as that was then the one ounce postal rate.



The California gold rush brought about the gold dollar and twenty dollar 'double eagle' coins (both 1849) and the short lived, seldom used, three dollar gold (1854).

Spanish coin remained legal tender in the U.S. until passage of the Coinage Act of 1857 which also saw the cent reduced in size and the half cent eliminated as it was no longer necessary to make change of a 'bit'.

The 'Civil War' period brought about bronze cents and two cent coins (1864), three cent and five cent 'nickels' (1865, 1866) as well as the motto, "In God We Trust".

The twenty cent coin of 1875-1878 was a case of political lobbying gone horribly awry - a coin that nobody wanted or needed.


Too easily confused with a quarter dollar, much as the
Susan B. Anthony Dollar of 1979-81 and 1999)

By 1889 several denominations would be dropped, leaving only the bronze cent, five cent nickel, silver dime, quarter, half dollar, and dollar as well as gold quarter eagle, half eagle, eagle, and double eagle.

The gold coins would be dropped in 1933 and the last 'silver dollar' was minted for circulation in 1935.

Attempts have been made to re introduce dollar coins to circulation. The 'SBA Dollar' of 1979-81 (and 1999) was a dismal failure as it too closely resembled a 'quarter' and the dollar note remained in production.

'Presidential', 'Sacajawea', and 'Native American' dollar coins have been produced since 2007 but also failed as dollar notes are still in production (at a loss of billions of dollars annually) and the American public is too stubborn to use them.

Presently the coinage commonly circulating in the United States, although all issues from 1792 onward remain legal tender, consists of the cent, five cent ('nickel'), ten cent ('dime'), and twenty five cent ('quarter').

Since 1965, dime through half dollar have been 'clad' coins composed of outer layers of the 75/25 copper nickel alloy (as the five cent 'nickel') bonded to a pure copper core. The Eisehower dollars (1971-1978) and 'SBA' dollars were also CN clad. In mid 1982 the cent was changed from bronze to copper plated zinc. The current 'golden' dollars are a clad coin with outer layers of copper, zinc, manganese, and nickel bonded to a pure copper core. Overall they are 88% copper

Half dollar and dollar coins can easily be obtained from banks but are seldom seen in actual use.

There are several other coins minted by the United States for collectors that are not intended for circulation such as commemorative issues and 'bullion coins'.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349310 - 16/01/21 12:29 PM

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There is no such thing as 'correct' pronunciation of any language ....




Ha ha. Of course there is.

Which is why so many people go to big efforts to properly learn languages, proper pronunciation and correct grammar. As well as the meanings of words.

Just because there are often regional accents to a language doesn't mean there isn't a proper way of saying the words.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349326 - 17/01/21 12:33 AM

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Quote:

There is no such thing as 'correct' pronunciation of any language ....




Ha ha. Of course there is.

Which is why so many people go to big efforts to properly learn languages, proper pronunciation and correct grammar. As well as the meanings of words.

Just because there are often regional accents to a language doesn't mean there isn't a proper way of saying the words.





Too bloody true, John!

Just because you're free to pronounce a word in your own quaint way, and because there are accepted regional differences (tomato/tomato), doesn't mean there aren't rules of proper pronunciation, grammar, and especially spelling. (Millennial thumb-talkers please take note!) Without agreed rules and practices, we would degenerate back to the prehistoric days of point and grunt. Much like using touchscreens and texting....

That being said, I have no idea of the accepted German pronunciation of the word nickel. Sorry.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349352 - 17/01/21 06:58 AM

Quote:

Quote:

There is no such thing as 'correct' pronunciation of any language ....




Ha ha. Of course there is.

Which is why so many people go to big efforts to properly learn languages, proper pronunciation and correct grammar. As well as the meanings of words.

Just because there are often regional accents to a language doesn't mean there isn't a proper way of saying the words.




Of course there is a proper pronunciation for the native speakers of any language, I was referring to pronunciation by non-native speakers. Listen to most English speakers pronounce Kahles, in Austrian/German it is "car less" whereas we usually pronounce it "carls".
Similarly Swarovski or any word starting with Sw. How many English speakers get the "sva" for Sw when pronouncing these words.
The well known VW cars, not "vee double you" as we English speakers say but "fou Vee" in Germman.

Obviously when in Rome try to pronounce as the Romans do but how we pronounce other language words doesn't matter in our own language we will understand each other.

Often no matter how hard we try we cannot produce the same sound as native speakers do. Try speaking English as a Scotsman does. Listen to Germans trying to get their tongue around the "th" in "the". Usually comes out as va, mind you many native English speakers use va too.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349365 - 17/01/21 04:22 PM

Rothhammer1 that was interesting. In slang terms we called 1 shilling a "Bob" and a Florien-2 shillings- "2 Bob" Hence the saying "As silly as a 2Bob watch"


Re pronunciation. Even those fro the same country but different area can pronounce something differently. Some of this can be put down to accent. Look at the different pronunciations for "Tomato".


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: eagle27]
      #349367 - 17/01/21 05:50 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

There is no such thing as 'correct' pronunciation of any language ....




Ha ha. Of course there is.

Which is why so many people go to big efforts to properly learn languages, proper pronunciation and correct grammar. As well as the meanings of words.

Just because there are often regional accents to a language doesn't mean there isn't a proper way of saying the words.




Of course there is a proper pronunciation for the native speakers of any language, I was referring to pronunciation by non-native speakers. Listen to most English speakers pronounce Kahles, in Austrian/German it is "car less" whereas we usually pronounce it "carls".




Everyone I know says similar to "kah-les". No one I know says "carls".

https://www.howtopronounce.com/german/kahles


Quote:

Similarly Swarovski or any word starting with Sw. How many English speakers get the "sva" for Sw when pronouncing these words.




Svar-of-skee


Quote:

The well known VW cars, not "vee double you" as we English speakers say but "fou Vee" in Germman.




Folks varg en

I do say the English Vee Double U.

Letters are usually said in the home country pronunciation ie English in English speaking countries. German in German.

Tried once to talk about BMW to a drunk German at a beerhall in Munich. Who worked there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKtAbo1T2Rw
How to Pronounce BMW? Full Form German + English Pronunciation & Meaning | Bayerische Motoren Werke


folk swaa gen

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1146&a...DCA0&uact=5



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Obviously when in Rome try to pronounce as the Romans do but how we pronounce other language words doesn't matter in our own language we will understand each other.

Often no matter how hard we try we cannot produce the same sound as native speakers do. Try speaking English as a Scotsman does. Listen to Germans trying to get their tongue around the "th" in "the". Usually comes out as va, mind you many native English speakers use va too.




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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349368 - 17/01/21 05:53 PM

Here's one I said wrong before the internet a couple of decades ago.

pronunciation of german mauser

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1146&a...DCA0&uact=5

https://www.howtopronounce.com/german/mauser

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349369 - 17/01/21 06:00 PM

eagle,

I always confuse youthful barristers by asking for a "Cafe Latte". Sometimes I am told "we don't make those". But they do make a "latte" ie a "milk". Cafe Latte is of course coffee with milk. Latte is just milk. French Cafe au Lait.

I try to refuse to use lazy language. And especially PC and "newspeak" language eg words like "gay" which means happy. I prefer to use "S.A.D."

BTW how does one get "AN TEEF FAR" from antifa ie anti fascist??? Simply anti fa.

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      #349370 - 17/01/21 06:03 PM

One to annoy our US friends.

pronunciation of zebra in english

zeh bruh

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1146&a...;sclient=psy-ab

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      #349371 - 17/01/21 06:08 PM

pronunciation of himalayas

One I found interesting.

We normally say

Him a lay as

While the Indians usually say

Him ar li a or Him ar li as.

It seems both are correct.

However I will try to use the Indian pronunciation in future as I am sure the English version is the English residents pronunciation of the native word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SNCVLo4QQ
How To Say Himalaya

However per this one, the Hindi pronunciation is similar to the English version!

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rule303]
      #349386 - 18/01/21 06:31 AM

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Rothhammer1 that was interesting. In slang terms we called 1 shilling a "Bob" and a Florien-2 shillings- "2 Bob" Hence the saying "As silly as a 2Bob watch"


Re pronunciation. Even those fro the same country but different area can pronounce something differently. Some of this can be put down to accent. Look at the different pronunciations for "Tomato".




The British system also had the Farthing, Crown, Sovereign, Guinea, Groat... . This guy runs on as I do but is very informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRDOmgJyznI

Here are some promotional videos about 'decimalisation':

Aussie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZTeWLA1LAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2f1TSRo-2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnmp-da-U6E

UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNoPyoiWRQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=045Pm78sPkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i310U-HJLo



Back to pronunciation, here in the U.S. we have so many different accents and regional uses of words that it can be difficult for a person from one region to understand another if both speak in heavily accented "English" (or our versions of same).

California is a whole 'nuther matter. We can hold entire conversations by merely exchanging the word "dude" with differing inflection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77v_Q0mhbZU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-9Y56sIY1E

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349387 - 18/01/21 06:39 AM

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One to annoy our US friends.

pronunciation of zebra in english

zeh bruh

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1146&a...;sclient=psy-ab




Trevor Noah on American 'English': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35b0nP4H28

Dare we consider pronunciations of 'Mannlicher'?

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349402 - 18/01/21 01:01 PM

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eagle,

I always confuse youthful barristers by asking for a "Cafe Latte". Sometimes I am told "we don't make those". But they do make a "latte" ie a "milk". Cafe Latte is of course coffee with milk. Latte is just milk. French Cafe au Lait.

I try to refuse to use lazy language. And especially PC and "newspeak" language eg words like "gay" which means happy. I prefer to use "S.A.D."

BTW how does one get "AN TEEF FAR" from antifa ie anti fascist??? Simply anti fa.




To confuse them I just as for a Black Cappuccino:-) I get some weird reactions out of that.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349405 - 18/01/21 05:15 PM

Quote:

Quote:

One to annoy our US friends.

pronunciation of zebra in english

zeh bruh

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1146&a...;sclient=psy-ab




Trevor Noah on American 'English': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35b0nP4H28

Dare we consider pronunciations of 'Mannlicher'?




Ha ha.

I used to be watching the series "The Wire" from Baltimore with a lot of "nigga" language. Is that word permitted? They use it a lot. I think the "a" makes it acceptable and PC. Ha ha. Just stirring. Anyway, my wife thought they were speaking a foreign language and could not understand what was being said. If one had watched several episodes or series, one was fully conversant with "jive".

In Europe, a person can often choose the foreign language option of learning English or American. Later one can tell by the strong American accent, the German or other race has. Spelling and pronunciation.

In Australia we are laughed at by Kiwis as speaking "'strine". They speak "fush and chups".

Mannlicher Schoenauer. I can't type a umlaut, so I use the e after the o.

Quote:

t IS pronounced "man-lick-er". Just like the 'CH' at the end of German term 'Third Reich' (pronounced 'RIKE').Feb 26, 2013

Pronunciation of Mannlicher? - RimfireCentral.com Forums




INCORRECT! Reich is NOT proinounced as "rike". Nor is Mannlicher pronounced as licker. Bloody rimfire shooters ... Almost as bad as air fire shooters ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CowEvHswhQ&vl=gl
How to pronounce männlicher in German

I would roll and growl the ch a bit more myself.

pronunciation of german schoenauer
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1190&a...DCA0&uact=5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAkA6S0-N5s&vl=eo
How to pronounce Schoenauer in German

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349406 - 18/01/21 05:20 PM

I tried Mannlicher Schoenauer in Austrian but Google did not understand.

Our German friends are probably laughing at this thread.

Here is a good video. Lots of these I say incorrectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInYKwgKFiI
10 Gun Names You Are Definitely Saying Wrong (And How To Pronounce Them Properly)

Here is a list of 10 firearms that are commonly mispronounced at gun ranges around the country. The list includes
• Mosin
• Steyr
• Kalashnikov
• Garand
• Dragunov
• Sturmgewehr
• Tavor
• Heckler Und Koch
• Makarov
• Saiga


Koch is one that really annoys me, the ex NYC Mayor Mr Cosh and an idiot Aussie TV host who also pronounces his name as Cosh instead of Cock with a rolling guttural growl at the end. Impossible to type in English.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349418 - 19/01/21 04:45 AM

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...If one had watched several episodes or series, one was fully conversant with "jive".






I like the direction this thread has taken (apologies to rpeck, the 'OP'!).

A scene from the film, 'Airplane': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrZlWw8Di10

My grandparents' generation referred to such manner of speaking as 'pidgin English'.

What makes the scene particularly 'funny' to Americans who grew up in the 1950s and 60s is that Barbara Billingsley (the jive talkin' mama) played a very 'whitebread suburban' mom on the popular, family oriented, TV series 'Leave It To Beaver': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUw2fIa0dSI

Brits have Cockney, surely every language group has sub groups of slang speech.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349420 - 19/01/21 05:16 AM

Nope, not here. LOL

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349422 - 19/01/21 05:31 AM

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pronunciation of german schoenauer
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1190&a...DCA0&uact=5







I like the 'translation' of Schoenauer to "nicer"!

A quick answer to the Mauser vs. MS debate - The MS has a 'nicer' magazine!

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: DarylS]
      #349424 - 19/01/21 05:43 AM

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Nope, not here. LOL




Do Newfies count?

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349426 - 19/01/21 06:41 AM



Trevor Noah in OZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZQ7NL-o6E8

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349428 - 19/01/21 12:00 PM

Hi Rothammer1

Probably I am misunderstanding your use of the word "penny" in context, but the US does indeed have a coin that we call a penny. Since 1909 it has been the copper Abraham Lincoln 1 cent piece. However the coin does not have the word penny on it.

I'd love to see images of the US gold coins, particularly the St Guadens $20 gold piece. To me it is the most beautiful US coin. I wouldn't mind having a few for the uncertain future.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349441 - 19/01/21 04:28 PM

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I like the direction this thread has taken (apologies to rpeck, the 'OP'!).





The opening question was well and truly answered, otherwise I would be sticking to the opening comment.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349442 - 19/01/21 04:29 PM

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I tried Mannlicher Schoenauer in Austrian but Google did not understand.

Our German friends are probably laughing at this thread.

Here is a good video. Lots of these I say incorrectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInYKwgKFiI
10 Gun Names You Are Definitely Saying Wrong (And How To Pronounce Them Properly)

Here is a list of 10 firearms that are commonly mispronounced at gun ranges around the country. The list includes
• Mosin
• Steyr
• Kalashnikov
• Garand
• Dragunov
• Sturmgewehr
• Tavor
• Heckler Und Koch
• Makarov
• Saiga


Koch is one that really annoys me, the ex NYC Mayor Mr Cosh and an idiot Aussie TV host who also pronounces his name as Cosh instead of Cock with a rolling guttural growl at the end. Impossible to type in English.




This post fits in well with the opening topic. And it good education value.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349443 - 19/01/21 04:41 PM

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Brits have Cockney, surely every language group has sub groups of slang speech.




When living in London I had an Irish manager for a job. She had a strong Irish accent and was a nice lady. But I did have trouble understanding her and had to sometimes listen carefully. I would miss an entire sentence if not listening carefully and make logical deductions.

We laugh at some Americans who can't understand Aussie, or Kiwi, or Brit's accents, but I had the same problem with this ladies strong Irish accent.

Funny too as the American accent no doubt derives heavily from the Irish accent. Maybe an American would easily understand her? I doubt it as well though.

There are some regional accents in Australia. The Adelaidian / South Australia accent is a little different from Victoria and NSW. The Adelaidian "private school" accent can be more British Upper class than the average Brits have. I asked recently at a "club" dinner if one member was born in the UK and no, a multi generation Aussie.

The Queensland accent is different again. Not tot he same extent as dialects just the pronunciation can be a little different.

Kiwis have a very different accent to Australians usually. American visitors though often can not hear the difference. It must depend on what you are familiar with.

I would have no idea of the different German accents and dialects, the Swiss, the Bavarians, Austrians, Hoch Deutsche (High German). my limited German is Barossa Deutsche, 1830s German all bastardised from 200 years in Australia. I don't speak it, I learned the few words as High German in school.

When in Norway and trying to learn some Norwegian, I was told the locals spoke some redneck mountain valley dialect. And they told me Erik spoke Oslo Norwegian.

There are obviously different accents in the USA as well. I have only been to New York City so rely on TV. The famous Southern accents. But I am guessing there is a mid Western accent, and strong accents maybe from the NE corner?

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: mckinney]
      #349445 - 19/01/21 05:56 PM

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Hi Rothammer1

Probably I am misunderstanding your use of the word "penny" in context, but the US does indeed have a coin that we call a penny. Since 1909 it has been the copper Abraham Lincoln 1 cent piece. However the coin does not have the word penny on it.

I'd love to see images of the US gold coins, particularly the St Guadens $20 gold piece. To me it is the most beautiful US coin. I wouldn't mind having a few for the uncertain future.




The most beautiful of the Augustus Saint Gaudens designed Double Eagles were the ultra rare piedfort (double thick) patterns of which only two were struck.

The U.S. Mint, however, reprised it with a faithful re issue as the 'Ultra High Relief' one ounce gold coin of 2009: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/ultra-high-relief-double-eagles-2009/941


I ordered one on the day of issue. it's magnificent.

I've always been equally fond of St. Gaudens' design for the ten dollar Eagle.
I have one example and it is among my favorite coins:


The reverse design was based on the Theodore Roosevelt inaugural medal, also by ASG: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/19770

Other all time favorites of mine are the twin designs of $2.50 and $5.00 (Quarter Eagle and Half Eagle) by Bela Lyon Pratt: https://monacorarecoins.com/indian-head-gold/half-eagles/







Pennies were British:


Penny - not Cent


Cent - not Penny

Though it has been common among the populace of the U. S. to refer to our one cent coin as a 'Penny' for generations, it never has been one. Pennies were distinctly British, at 240 to a Pound Sterling, while the young United States adopted a quasi - decimal coinage system with one hunderd 'Cents' to a U.S.Dollar (or Unit).

As common as it is to call the cent a 'penny', it is no more accurate than it is to call this fellow a 'buffalo':


American Bison - not 'buffalo'

The reason no U. S. cent has ever had the word 'penny' on it is simply because cents are not pennies.
The original Cent and Half Cent coins of the United States were 100% copper but that changed after the Coinage Act of 1857 which made Spanish coin no longer legal tender, thus eliminating the no longer needed Half Cent while also reducing size and changing composition of the Cent.

From 1857 - 1863 cents were of the same diameter as the present issue but on a thicker planchet of 88% copper, 12% nickel.


1856 Pattern for 1857 - 58 Cent

In mid year 1864 the cent was changed again to the present size and thickness as today's issue on a planchet of 'French Bronze' (95% copper, remainder tin and zinc) that would be used through mid year 1982 with the exception of 1943 when they were zinc plated steel.

Since mid 1982, the U.S. Cent had been minted on planchets of zinc with a thin copper plating. Even so, they cost more to produce and distribute than they are worth.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349447 - 19/01/21 06:01 PM

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Quote:



I like the direction this thread has taken (apologies to rpeck, the 'OP'!).





The opening question was well and truly answered, otherwise I would be sticking to the opening comment.




That's the notion I was going with.

Still a nod to the OP, though. It was his thread, after all.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: NitroX]
      #349448 - 19/01/21 06:03 PM

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Quote:

I tried Mannlicher Schoenauer in Austrian but Google did not understand.

Our German friends are probably laughing at this thread.

Here is a good video. Lots of these I say incorrectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInYKwgKFiI
10 Gun Names You Are Definitely Saying Wrong (And How To Pronounce Them Properly)

Here is a list of 10 firearms that are commonly mispronounced at gun ranges around the country. The list includes
• Mosin
• Steyr
• Kalashnikov
• Garand
• Dragunov
• Sturmgewehr
• Tavor
• Heckler Und Koch
• Makarov
• Saiga


Koch is one that really annoys me, the ex NYC Mayor Mr Cosh and an idiot Aussie TV host who also pronounces his name as Cosh instead of Cock with a rolling guttural growl at the end. Impossible to type in English.




This post fits in well with the opening topic. And it good education value.




Indeed, agreed!

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: mckinney]
      #349450 - 19/01/21 06:42 PM

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I'd love to see images of the US gold coins, particularly the St Guadens $20 gold piece.





How about the 'King of Siam' 1836 Proof Set, complete with 1804 dated Dollar - one of the world's premier numismatic rarities:



Pattern coins are an interesting area of study with many beautiful design proposals and variants.

This is a complete set of 1868 standard designs, proof minted on aluminum planchets:



Proposed Two Cent coin:



The design as adopted was the first to use the motto, "In God We Trust".


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349452 - 19/01/21 07:15 PM

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...Along with changing the cent composition to bronze in 1864 a new two cent bronze coin was added and in 1865 the three cent silver (1851 - 72) was joined by a three cent coin with a new composition of 75% nickel, 25% copper - the first 'Nickel'.

With the success of the new three cent 'nickel', a new five cent coin of the same 75/25 copper nickel mix was introduced in 1866...





I just re read the above post of mine and found a major error (too late to edit).

The copper - nickel alloy used in U.S. coinage is 75% copper, 25% nickel - not the other way about as I had erred. (FIXED)

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349518 - 21/01/21 02:15 PM

Magnificent gold coin photos!

I was a stamp collector in my youth and still have a weakness for both stamps and coins.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: mckinney]
      #349526 - 21/01/21 03:44 PM

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Magnificent gold coin photos!






Someone is thinking; "Oh, Please, don't encourage him."




"Indian hunting buffalo"
No, Columbus was lost and this guy is hunting a bison.





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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349527 - 21/01/21 03:54 PM

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The copper - nickel alloy used in U.S. coinage is 75% copper, 25% nickel - not the other way about as I had erred. (FIXED)

***Edited by NitroX (01/20/21 02:25 AM)






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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349529 - 21/01/21 04:54 PM

Details of Ten Dollar 1901 Series United States Note from above post:



In the same year, this postage stamp was issued:



I believe I see a pattern there .

In 1916, as a continuation of T. Roosevelts coinage beautification program, the Quarter Dollar was replaced with this design by A.A. Weinman, as reproduced in gold by the U. S. Mint as 2016 commemorative issues (got one o' those, too):




In mid 1917, Lady Liberty covered up - with chain mail, no less.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349537 - 22/01/21 12:21 AM

I prefer the scantily clad Lady Liberty!

If these items are part of a personal collection, it’s an outstanding one.

Re: bank notes, it’s a shame in these anti money laundering days that we no longer have bills larger than $100 although I read somewhere that there are a few $1,000 notes still in circulation

Of course the EU still has the 200 euro note and the Swiss (God love ‘em) refuse to give up the 1,000 CHF note.


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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: mckinney]
      #349548 - 22/01/21 07:03 AM

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I prefer the scantily clad Lady Liberty!

If these items are part of a personal collection, it’s an outstanding one.

Re: bank notes, it’s a shame in these anti money laundering days that we no longer have bills larger than $100 although I read somewhere that there are a few $1,000 notes still in circulation

Of course the EU still has the 200 euro note and the Swiss (God love ‘em) refuse to give up the 1,000 CHF note.





She (Lady Liberty) did look grand in gold. Of higher value would be an original 1916 example which I don't have. Only 52,000 were struck during December of 1916 much as the original Peace Dollar would be in 1921 (1,006,473 struck). A 1916 SLQ in low grade condition (Good - 4) brings about $3,000 USD. In MS63 grade they command over $15,000 USD, an MS66 over twice that. (MS = Mint State, higher number is better preserved coin). The 1921 Peace is a one year type, being struck in high relief unlike the 1922 - 35 issues. A 1921 Peace Dollar in Uncirculated MS60 now lists $270 retail (good news for me as I paid $95 for mine in PCGS slab some years back).


1921 Peace - High Relief

Retail U.S. coin values: http://numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml

The images I've posted here have been 'swiped' from the net (with the assumption they are in the public domain).

I do have (or have had) examples of several of them, however.

'Buffalo Nickels' (bison five cent) I have several, up to 'MS66' grade. Shield Nickel, Flying Eagle cent, Three Cent Silver and Nickel, Standing Liberty Quarters, all are in my 'type coin' collection.

Last year (January 20, actually) I gave a 1930 Standing Quarter in a nice holder to a friend of mine (his birth year) with whom I play poker every other week. We play for quarters and it was his 90th birthday, so I said "here, you'll always have one more quarter". He dug it. There were no U.S. quarters issued in 1931, so this year he'll just get a couple rolls of everyday quarters .

I do have a complete set of the circulation strike Two Cent coins (no 1873 - they were 'proof only'), including the 1864 'Small Motto' which is arguably a pattern coin.

I have but a couple of the more common examples of Fractional Currency at this time. I do have some of the U.S. made Australian coins of 1942 - 43 along with other 'foreign' coinage struck at United States mints.

I once had a 1794 Cent (Sheldon 28 variety) that was not as 'high grade' as the one shown in prior post, though it was an original and respectable very fine. It was traded for a 1937 D '3 legged buffalo' decades ago which was, in turn, sold for rent money (it's good to live indoors).

I could use a Twenty Cent coin for my 'type coin' collection (collecting by 'type' and / or variety rather than full sets by date and mint), as I lack one.

I do have the gold 2009 UHR, 'Ten Dollar Indian', 'Indian Half Eagle' among a few others.

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The 1836 'King of Siam' set and the off metal (aluminum) 1868 pattern set are the stuff of dreams. Whenever I think I have anything on that level I wake up. Pretty pictures, though.

If I get back to spending money on coins, I would be very interested in Pattern Coins and could, indeed, see acquiring one or more varieties of the Two Cent patterns to go with my 'business strike' Two Cent set. They can be had for less than an 1873 Proof and are far more rare and interesting.

The Ten Dollar Bison Note is another 'dream', though I have it in (one sided) reproduction on a BEP 'Souvenir Card':



For more 'dream stuff' (that I don't have), here are Gold Certificates from the 1928 series:

















Federal Reserve Notes denominated over $100 were issued in 1934 and used by the Federal Reserve to buy out gold coin and Gold Certificates that were then held by private banks and concerns. Though last produced in the 1940s and recalled from circulation since 1969, high denomination currency of the U.S. is still legal tender as are Fractionals and every other coin and 'bill' ever produced for circulation in the United States.
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As fond as I am of my numismatic paraphernalia, when my neighborhood was on a mandatory 'bug out' order due to encroaching wildfires several months back my Grandfather's M1910 Mannlicher Schoenauer and its fitted case were packed and ready by the front door before I ever considered the coins.


(Grand Dad's hat rack - January, 1932)
Buffalo - not bison.

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Re: Nickel scope pronunciation [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #349925 - 02/02/21 03:36 PM

Rothhhamer,

Love the gold certificates and the large denomination bills - thanks for the photos.

I believe I once saw either a $500 or $1000 US bill in circulation somewhere but I can't remember the context.

The trouble with collecting these things is the high price of entry (not to mention securing them). There is no discount for a 50% condition $10,000 note and I don't know whether they even exist in that condition unless stuffed away in an attic somewhere. (I saw a news piece about a couple who found metal boxes filled with $120K in 1920's notes in the walls of a house they were remodeling.)

I think it's true that the 100K notes were only ever used for exchanges between Federal Reserve Banks back in the day.


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