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Marrakai
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Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher
      #339658 - 01/04/20 09:04 PM

Rolland's recent post here reminded me that I had not tossed up any pics of the marvellous Jeffery .256 that has resided in my gunsafe these past 7 or 8 years. It has had a couple of outings: one was chasing Red Stags in the Cressbrook Valley, but alas the onset of heavy storms that Easter drove the deer off the niece's property into the hills where I had no access at the time. That has since been rectified, BTW!

Mostly it has held a good account of itself in Classic Light Nitro events at our Big Game Rifle meetings, and is an absolute joy to shoot despite the need to carefully manage the number of cartridges in the en-bloc clip!

Anyway, the rifle is nothing special by the standards of a century past, but today is a delightful example of the skills and class of British gunmakers over a hundred years ago. While several members here have custody of similar Steyr-Mannlicher sporters and have preceded me with photo-essays, every one is subtly different and well worth the posting IMHO. Hope you enjoy the pics!




Close-up of the action:


Here's the Steyr marking with date of manufacture:


...and the maker's London address on the barrel:


And here's a pic of the bit that modern gunmakers just don't get: Jeffery's ability to capture classic elegance through austerity and minimalist design: the buttstock is barely an inch thick!


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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339659 - 01/04/20 09:13 PM

Can't figure out why that pic of the action won't load: tried everything!
Anyway, it seems to load here OK!



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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339660 - 01/04/20 09:22 PM

That's a dandy! Everything you need, and nothing you don't.
I put a peep sight on my .375 Dickson just like that - makes a difference for us old guys.


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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339663 - 02/04/20 12:18 AM

That is lovely mate, thanks for sharing. A joy to behold

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Viking338]
      #339666 - 02/04/20 01:39 AM

The epitome of classical elegance; thank you for sharing it with us!
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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Louis]
      #339678 - 02/04/20 01:20 PM

Interesting that Jeffery would equip this rifle but not put on their own diopter cocking piece peep sight.
I had one, that was a bit of a project, which had a Jeffery patent diopter but was unfortunately missing some parts.
I think the Lyman No.1 (No.2 on a Mannlicher?) is just as good, maybe a better sight.

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Huvius]
      #339682 - 02/04/20 05:35 PM

I have always harboured the impression from catalogues of the period that Jeffery favoured the Lyman aperture sight for both Steyr-Mannlicher and Mannlicher Schoenauer bolts, and the Jeffery aperture sight for Mauser bolts.

Either way, its a nice touch.
...and as you say Mike, a big help for those of us with older eyes.

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339684 - 02/04/20 07:07 PM

Quote:


Either way, its a nice touch.
...and as you say Mike, a big help for those of us with older eyes.














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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339686 - 02/04/20 08:40 PM

Very very nice! Cheers Mick

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #339687 - 02/04/20 08:48 PM

Fantastic looking rifle you have their Tony, very classy. The proportions are pretty well perfect. Something about the Mannlicher rifles that's very special but that one is a real beauty. Very nice sights as well.

Why do say you need to manage the number of cartridges in the clip, what happens if you don't.

I agree with your statement about the aperture sights, the Lyman sights seem to be use with the Mannlichers while Jeffery's own sight is mainly used on the Mauser rifles.


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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #339692 - 02/04/20 11:00 PM

I've never been a real fancier of the Mannlicher, but it certainly has been well kept & it would be a slim & trim hunter without a shadow of a doubt Marrakai.
Most definitely a heirloom piece for sure!


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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: 93x64mm]
      #339706 - 03/04/20 01:10 AM

Thanks all for your kind comments. Glad you like it. I know I do!


Quote:

Why do say you need to manage the number of cartridges in the clip, what happens if you don't.



Matt: the Classic Light Nitro event, as we shoot it in the NT, finishes with 3 lots of 2 shots in 10 seconds, but the clip only holds 5 rounds. Theoretically the shooter should only have 6 rounds on the firing line, so the clip needs to be ejected at some point and the last round added, then reinserted partially full. ...if that makes sense!
Or one could take 2 clips to the firing line, one with 4 rounds and the other with 2.

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: 93x64mm]
      #339707 - 03/04/20 01:16 AM

Very nice Marrakai.

I wonder what else hides in your gun "safe".

Is yours rimmed or rimless?

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: NitroX]
      #339708 - 03/04/20 01:18 AM

PS IMPORTANT.

I still need some clips for my Dutch mil steyr in 6.5x53R.

Anyone can help or point me in the right direction?

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: NitroX]
      #339712 - 03/04/20 03:33 AM



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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: NitroX]
      #339717 - 03/04/20 04:21 AM

Quote:

PS IMPORTANT.

I still need some clips for my Dutch mil steyr in 6.5x53R.

Anyone can help or point me in the right direction?




Look here https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ they are listed under Dutch Mannlicher $5.00 each USD. I bought a few and they look to be original and new.
I don't know if they will ship overseas but that could be overcome, I think

Edited by Rolland (03/04/20 06:07 AM)


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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Rolland]
      #339725 - 03/04/20 09:25 AM

Huvius:
You have reminded us once again that with vintage British gunmakers, the rules are: "There are no rules"!
...assuming your rifle bore Jeffery's address on the barrel?

John:
The "rule" is: rimmed in the Steyr-Mannlicher, rimless in the Mannlicher Schoenauer.
Notwithstanding the "rule" outlined above!

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Rolland]
      #339742 - 03/04/20 10:27 PM

Quote:

Quote:

PS IMPORTANT.

I still need some clips for my Dutch mil steyr in 6.5x53R.

Anyone can help or point me in the right direction?




Look here https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ they are listed under Dutch Mannlicher $5.00 each USD. I bought a few and they look to be original and new.
I don't know if they will ship overseas but that could be overcome, I think




Thank you. Will have a look.

Yes if they don't post OS, I am sure a solution is possible.

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339743 - 03/04/20 10:33 PM

Quote:

John:
The "rule" is: rimmed in the Steyr-Mannlicher, rimless in the Mannlicher Schoenauer.
Notwithstanding the "rule" outlined above!




I would assume so. But there is a rule never to assume.

What's wrong with these Austrians, using the same nomenclature for two different cartridges, rimless 6.5x54 MS or rimmed 6.5x53R, as .256 Mannlicher. Not very German.:)

But then the .256 Mannlicher is British.

Mate, was hoping to catch up in August this year. Unlikely now. Maybe 2021.

Gives me lots of time to work on getting more rifles working for it. As long as my PhD in Procrastination doesn't need a new thesis.

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339746 - 04/04/20 01:34 AM

Quote:

Huvius:
You have reminded us once again that with vintage British gunmakers, the rules are: "There are no rules"!
...assuming your rifle bore Jeffery's address on the barrel?





Yes, it was done by Jeffery, at least the barrel work and sighting was. Sighted to 500! HA!! Stocking too I'd think.
Too bad about the broken stock but would have made a great pattern.









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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Huvius]
      #339759 - 04/04/20 12:18 PM

Tony, what a sweet little Jeffery that is........I rather like the barrel band foresight and rear sight treatment as compared to my Evans.
....managing (and not losing) the en-block Mannlicher clips is part of the "experience" eh?

Ben, you need to get Steve to make you a new stock to match the original!
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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: 3DogMike]
      #339760 - 04/04/20 12:55 PM

This Jeffery Steyr went away with the Fraser and a take down Gibbs Steyrs.
They are really nice rifles but I like cash on occasion too...

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Rolland]
      #339770 - 04/04/20 11:01 PM

Quote:

Quote:

PS IMPORTANT.

I still need some clips for my Dutch mil steyr in 6.5x53R.

Anyone can help or point me in the right direction?




Look here https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ they are listed under Dutch Mannlicher $5.00 each USD. I bought a few and they look to be original and new.
I don't know if they will ship overseas but that could be overcome, I think




So would these be the right ones?

DUTCH HEMBRUG 1895 ORIGINAL 5 ROUND 6.5MM STRIPPER CLIP

Of course the business is CLOSED due to the farcevirus "but will look at orders when it reopens".

Don't any of these business want to make any sales?

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And still intact and unaltered.

(Sorry Tony for putting this on your thread)

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: NitroX]
      #339781 - 05/04/20 08:51 AM

John:
No worries. Looks like the same clip would work.
If you don't mind me posting a live link, there is a good pic of the 5-round en-bloc Steyr-Mannlicher clip on this site:

http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/classics/mannlicher-1895/classic_mannlicher.html

A Jeffery catalogue page is reproduced there too, that makes reference to the
"Lyman Back-sight, which travels with the bolt and does not interfere with the grip of the stock,
a far greater degree of accuracy of shooting is obtainable than with the ordinary open sights."

Plenty of other interesting stuff there too.

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Re: Another Bog-Standard Jeffery Mannlicher [Re: Marrakai]
      #339784 - 05/04/20 09:22 AM

I should add that it is commonplace to make 6.5x53R cases from .303 British, which is certainly doable but not trivial since neck-reaming should be done to prevent premature neck-cracking.
The step often missed though, is reducing the rim diameter by a few thou (from 0.540 to 0.530 inch) because the .303-based cases will still feed, chamber, fire and eject just like originals.
So why bother?
The problem comes loading the clips, which is achievable with unmodified rims but after a time will distort the clip and make it difficult to get a tight en-bloc loading.
These days we have to make our clips last for many, many loadings, so rim reduction is highly recommended despite the difficulty involved.

...and as Mike has pretty-much implied, very important not to step on the empty clips when they drop on the ground in front of you!

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