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casper50
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Strange front sight
      #335088 - 03/12/19 08:44 AM

Anyone ever seen a front sight like this on a Mannlicher Schoenauer?



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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335091 - 03/12/19 11:56 AM


Now, that's different.

What model is it on? Does the stutzen have any gunsmith's 'address' or other markings indicating custom work?

Besides the odd sight and embellishments on nose cap, is it otherwise a 'factory' MS or are there other differences?

As to function, perhaps it belonged to this fella's grand-kid and he wanted to add another feather?


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casper50
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Re: Strange front sight [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #335098 - 03/12/19 04:02 PM

It's for sale and I'm thinking of buying it.


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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335104 - 03/12/19 06:48 PM

I have never yet see such a front sight; I guess this model is only a rifle maker's embellishment.
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Re: Strange front sight [Re: Louis]
      #335105 - 03/12/19 07:07 PM

My guess and it is a guess only, is that one of the owners has had it put on to replace the original.

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335107 - 03/12/19 08:48 PM

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That rear sight also appears to be non standard.



Here's an MS with, according to the listing, a "Rare Threaded Barrel for Muffler sound Suppressor. ( This was a special order factory Option)."



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Re: Strange front sight [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #335118 - 04/12/19 05:12 AM

Odd front sight indeed, Casper.

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: DarylS]
      #335121 - 04/12/19 05:55 AM

don't believe its original

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casper50
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Re: Strange front sight [Re: lancaster]
      #335123 - 04/12/19 06:59 AM

I've been collecting MS for about 17 years now. I've never heard of the 1930 System. Are they rare or is it just a fluke that I've never seen one until now?

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335125 - 04/12/19 07:15 AM

It may well be used as a loop for a sling so the rifle can be used as a "Nachsuchwaffe" which is a rifle used by in many European countries for following up on wounded game. These rifles are normally short barreled and have a sling eye at the very front so that when the rifle is carried slung across the dog handlers back the muzzle does not protrude unduly outwards and therefore minimises the rifle catching on brush as they folllow up on wounded game.

Just a thought.

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #335128 - 04/12/19 07:31 AM

Has a 20" barrel.

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335130 - 04/12/19 11:30 AM

How's this for a crazy theory ?? The hole is there so that a piece of white cloth can be tied on??

IIRC in one of Jim Corbett's books he made mention of tying a white rag to the muzzle of a double rifle. He apparently did it so that he could see the muzzle when hunting a wounded tiger on a moonless night. I dare say he was probably thinking that a 10 yard shot would be a very long one!!

Anyway...who knows. Or perhaps it belonged to an Italian General. ? (ha ha)

Cheers
Rod

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335144 - 04/12/19 07:53 PM

Quote:

I've been collecting MS for about 17 years now. I've never heard of the 1930 System. Are they rare or is it just a fluke that I've never seen one until now?




If that action has 'Mannlicher Schonauer 1930 System' stamped on the left receiver rail it is (was) a military Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5x54mm, more specifically a 'Greek Contract' Model 1903 / 1914 / 1930.

It's likely a sporterized surplus rifle, thus the homemade sights.

Here's a link to some 'Greek' MS. Scroll to the last for the 1903/14/30: 1903/14/30


Here's a video where Othias will tell you all about it and Mae will demonstrate. It's over an hour long and very well worth the watch, as are his other videos. He gets to the 1903/14/30 at 48:15, describes popularity of 'sporterized' Greek MS at 51:50. YouTube:


From a Wikiwand artticle:
The Mannlicher–Schönauer rifle was the main small arm for the Greek military for some of the most active years of its modern history. Greece was almost continuously in state of war between the years 1904–1922 and 1940–1948. The version history of this rifle is rather confusing. It appears that the Greeks issued four main contracts. The original Steyr-made Y1903 ("Y" stands for model in Greek), started being supplied in 1906–07 to a total of about 130,000 long rifles and carbines. This was the main weapon during the victorious Balkan Wars of 1912–13

The Greeks seemed satisfied with the rifle's performance and their armoury was increased with a new batch of 50,000 rifles from Steyr in 1914, with the model Y1903/14, presenting minor improvements, most obviously the addition of a full handguard. These rifles were used for the first time in World War I. When the war broke out, the Austrians stopped the delivery of the rifles, as Greece chose to be neutral for the first three years.

Following the Asia Minor Campaign (1919–22), the Greeks were in urgent need of serviceable weapons and tried to get Mannlicher–Schönauer rifles from every possible source in order to replace war losses (almost 50% were captured by the Turks). Starting in 1927, Greece received about 105,000 "Breda" marked Y1903/14/27 rifles. This Italian factory might have used Austrian captured parts and machinery, or more likely, might have just mediated on behalf of the Steyr factory, due to treaty restrictions with the Austrian weapons manufacturer. These rifles saw extensive use against the Italians and Germans in World War II and many passed to the resistance fighters and thence to the combatants of the Greek Civil War that followed. The last official contract was in 1930, when they received 25,000 more Y1903/14/30 carbines, this time directly from the Steyr factory.



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Re: Strange front sight [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #335167 - 05/12/19 06:32 AM


This type of hollow front sight was used in the late '70s and early' 80s by Waffen Frankonia Würzburg on their 98' "Favorit Licht" rifles.

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: DORLEAC]
      #335170 - 05/12/19 07:18 AM

It looks of that vintage. I thought that the first time I saw it.

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Re: Strange front sight [Re: casper50]
      #335189 - 07/12/19 02:37 AM

Custom made 6.5x54 1930 System action sent in the white to Gunmaker Josef Mischitz and engraved by Albin Obiltschnig.

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