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Rothhammer1
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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: DarylS]
      #309633 - 29/12/17 05:08 PM

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A proper headstamp is not necessary and indeed, would likely reduce the amount of brass for any particular ctg. I load for.



As there is no practical need to have original floor mats in a 'classic muscle car', any old thing that fits will do. For everyday driving, use the cheapies. On 'show 'n shine' day (or just to know you have them), it's gratifying to have the proper bit of kit.

I have my reworked Whelens and now will have reworked .30-'06 and 9.3X57 brass (after I shoot them) for my 'everyday' loads. The point of properly stamped brass, for me, is one of 'coolness factor'. When I find suitable non lead hunting projectiles, I'll likely fill the 40 proper cases with them, recycle as desired.

For others, however, inaccurate headstamps could become an issue. I can't imagine confusing a 9.5X57 reformed from .30-'06 with a .30-'06 round, but I'm not so sure I'd want to use reformed brass that is headstamped for any ( )X57 that I also had a rifle for.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Viking338]
      #309634 - 29/12/17 05:30 PM





They are solid brass machined so no problem to use them reversed and no lead so you could try some if it would help your problem. They are expensive though!



Most brass has some lead in it. The local hardware store had to throw away all of their existing stock of brass plumbing fittings that were not certified 'California AB1953' (lead free) a few years back.

The only bullets listed by Cutting Edge as 'lead free' are their pure copper offerings (link below).

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Somewhere (can't find it now) I recently found a board where someone had emailed Cutting Edge inquiring about their brass projectiles and the reply was that they are not 'lead free', but that they may make them so in the future.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #309635 - 29/12/17 05:54 PM

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Most brass has some lead in it. The local hardware store had to throw away all of their existing stock of brass plumbing fittings that were not certified 'California AB1953' (lead free) a few years back.





That is outright criminal greeny bullshit. The lead in brass does not contaminate. I feel for the State of Cal.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rule303]
      #309638 - 29/12/17 06:06 PM





That is outright criminal greeny bullshit. The lead in brass does not contaminate. I feel for the State of Cal.



It's not just us.
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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rule303]
      #309641 - 29/12/17 07:40 PM

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Most brass has some lead in it. The local hardware store had to throw away all of their existing stock of brass plumbing fittings that were not certified 'California AB1953' (lead free) a few years back.





That is outright criminal greeny bullshit. The lead in brass does not contaminate. I feel for the State of Cal.




Agreed Greg, the world is being f#€Łed by this greenie PC bullshit

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #309647 - 30/12/17 04:47 AM

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For others, however, inaccurate headstamps could become an issue. I can't imagine confusing a 9.5X57 reformed from .30-'06 with a .30-'06 round, but I'm not so sure I'd want to use reformed brass that is headstamped for any ( )X57 that I also had a rifle for.



Really, I didn't think that was possible? Well, in that case, you should always have the correct headstamp, for your safety and everyone's around you.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: DarylS]
      #309673 - 30/12/17 03:53 PM

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For others, however, inaccurate headstamps could become an issue. I can't imagine confusing a 9.5X57 reformed from .30-'06 with a .30-'06 round, but I'm not so sure I'd want to use reformed brass that is headstamped for any ( )X57 that I also had a rifle for.



Really, I didn't think that was possible? Well, in that case, you should always have the correct headstamp, for your safety and everyone's around you.



There's no need to be a dickhead, Daryl.

Or is there?


You could try reading and comprehending an entire post, rather than taking one sentence out of context and attempting to make a smarmy, childish, comment about it.


How about we knock it off and get back to what was a helpful, informative thread?

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: NitroX]
      #309680 - 30/12/17 07:33 PM

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I do like this thread. I am supposed to have a 9.5x57 MS rifle on its way to me oneday, if it can be arranged. So if it ever arrives, these discussions are also very useful for me.



And that, gentlemen, is why we're here... isn't it?

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #309681 - 30/12/17 08:00 PM

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I'd like to get after some of the wild boar that we have in abundance hereabouts, thus the quest for non lead.



Photo taken about two or three miles from where I now sit:



A small one, that. The one that pig-tilled my neighbor's yard a few years back was much larger.
I saw it one night, grabbed the .44 and was very tempted, but was too close to other houses, etcetera.

They're non native, destructive, and I think they'd look a bit better after being introduced to a 9.5X57 dispensed from an M1910, as Kuduae has done here:

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #309682 - 30/12/17 09:29 PM

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For others, however, inaccurate headstamps could become an issue. I can't imagine confusing a 9.5X57 reformed from .30-'06 with a .30-'06 round, but I'm not so sure I'd want to use reformed brass that is headstamped for any ( )X57 that I also had a rifle for.



Pardon my ignorance but other than for show what would the problem be with any X57 brass? The 9.5 won't chamber in the smaller cals and the smaller cals may or my not fire in the 9.5, if the do fire they just rattle down the bore and you then have fire formed 9.5 brass.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rule303]
      #309683 - 30/12/17 10:11 PM

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what would the problem be with any X57 brass? The 9.5 won't chamber in the smaller cals and the smaller cals may or my not fire in the 9.5, if the do fire they just rattle down the bore and you then have fire formed 9.5 brass.



It is my understanding that the Mannlicher Schoenauer relies on the shoulder alone for headspacing.

When fireforming a raw 7X57, 8X57, or anything else with a shorter, narrower, shoulder the brass will likely be stretched, overworked, and weakened at or near the web.

The Shoulder of a 9.5X57 is rather slight to begin with. Fireforming a live round with a smaller, narrower shoulder could allow gases to ecape and /or blow back.

Drawing the brass out (expanding the neck), then sizing through proper FL dies would remedy either situation and the brass would be quite suitable. As indicated in previous posts, I have just purchased (and will use) a couple of boxes of very nice 9.5X57 loads from Reeds Ammunition Specialties that are made from new, straight walled, then properly sized 9.3X57 Norma brass. In the past I have formed and used brass made from .35 Whelen (through RCBS dies) that has performed flawlessly.


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I had previously purchased two boxes of 9.5X57 from another maker that were formed from 7X57 that apparently had not been necked up prior to sizing. The shoulders were 'stock' 7X57 dimensions, they went back.

I like my Mannlicher Schoenauer M1910. My preference is to not damage it.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #309685 - 30/12/17 11:18 PM

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They're non native, destructive, and I think they'd look a bit better after being introduced to a 9.5X57 dispensed from an M1910, as Kuduae has done here:



Here in Germany these wild boar are natives, not introduced nor feral pigs. Some more. Granted, all smallish ones.



End result of one of our hunts:

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: kuduae]
      #309690 - 31/12/17 05:23 AM

Back At-cha, Roth.



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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: kuduae]
      #309694 - 31/12/17 09:48 AM

kuduae, that is a nice haul of game.

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: DarylS]
      #309710 - 31/12/17 01:43 PM

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Back At-cha, Roth.



What, the part about knocking it off and getting back to what was a helpful, informative thread?


Let's get back to adult conversation here, shall we?

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Re: Aussie Copper for M1910 [Re: kuduae]
      #309713 - 31/12/17 01:58 PM




Here in Germany these wild boar are natives, not introduced nor feral pigs.



Understood.

The porcine population in this part of the U.S. has a rather different history than that of pigs in Deutschland.


California Fish & Wildlife

On the topic of forest and wildlife management we are, unfortunately, worlds apart. The various agencies do have large areas and populations to manage here in the Golden State.

A brief search of the 'net tells me that 17.8% of California is forested as opposed to 32.7% of Germany, but California is 1.19 times the size of Deutschland. We also have foothills, grasslands, and even our rural and suburban areas becoming host to feral pigs.

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Sometimes they 'go to town':

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