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To Lonewulf; yes that works, but I prefer the tool. For one thing, projectile nose tips vary somewhat so the result is not so reliable between bullets. However the Hornady tool measures OAL length on the ogive using calibre inserts.

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Measuring on the ogive with a Comparator is the only good way to establish correct OAL.

Although, it's fair to say the polymer tipped bullets, although the plastic nose may vary slightly, it's nowhere near as much of a variation as with exposed lead tips.

Some interesting info there kiwibloke, it won't be long I hope before I can get to the range to establish what my rifle is doing..at least from the loading point of view, but as to chronoing the loads...may take somewhat longer now, a friend just shot my chrony! right through the middle.
Cheers.

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Well, for what it's worth, I'd say yes and no. Whatever method you use, all you're really doing at this point is establishing a max overall length for the seating of a particular projectile in a particular rifle. That doesn't mean the rifle will shoot accurately with the bullet so positioned, just that this is about as far as it will go. Maybe your rifle will like having the projectile seated out to the lands and maybe it won't. The only way to find out is to shoot it.

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I did manage to find some Vhita Vouri, which seems unpopular in the US. In addition to the pistol powder, I was able to find some VV N160. Has anyone tried this as a load? Success stories?

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My favorite 6.5x54 M-Sch load is the 160 gr Hornady RN, seated out to 77 mm = 3.03" cartridge oal, in front of 40 gr VV N160, for an instrumental velocity, 4 m from the muzzle of my 55 cm = 22" rifle barrel, of 725 m/s = 2380 fps.
This load has killed about 60 roe deer, boar, fallow and red deer without Problems for me. Rifle: M1903 M-Sch, sporterized by G.Gibbs, Bristol, in 1905, either with the pre-war Zeiss "Zielvier" 4x scope and EAW side mount or the Parker-Hale "Sportarget" peep sight.

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I'm just seeing from your cartridge data Kuduae, clearly you do not 'roll crimp' into the canelure on the Hornady 160gn RN bullet. 3.03" OAL.
Do you have any issues with the bullet/neck tension under recoil..bullet movement?

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GG375, very nice looking rifle. Have you got any more photos ?

Waidmannsheil.

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Sure do.......will dig some out and post them on the weekend for you

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Nice one GG375. Great photo's.

I'm sure you've seen how mine scoped up on the other thread..based very much on the info you provided.

What's your recipe for the 160gn Hornady/Woodleigh bullet?
I'd be very interested to know.
Cheers, d

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Your scope mounts turned out great. Scope for my tastes is a little big for the rifle but I'm sure you have good reasons for that.GG

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Nice one GG375. Great photo's.

I'm sure you've seen how mine scoped up on the other thread..based very much on the info you provided.

What's your recipe for the 160gn Hornady/Woodleigh bullet?
I'd be very interested to know.
Cheers, d

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Your scope mounts turned out great. Scope for my tastes is a little big for the rifle but I'm sure you have good reasons for that.

I'm just in the process of moving all my stuff into the mancave/trophy/reloading room I've just finished building so will post my load here for you when I come across the data.

Cheers.

GG

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With the Hornady's I've been using 38 gns of AR2209 and for the Woodleigh's 39 gns of the same powder............but when I get around to it I'm going to go thru the load dev process again after making sure there is no contact between the forward sling saddle pin and the lug on the barrel!

Cheers.

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I'm just seeing from your cartridge data Kuduae, clearly you do not 'roll crimp' into the canelure on the Hornady 160gn RN bullet. 3.03" OAL.
Do you have any issues with the bullet/neck tension under recoil..bullet movement?

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As other posters already mentioned above, you will run into feeding problems if you use shorter and/or pointed bullet cartridges in M03 Mannlicher – Schoenauers. Schoenauer's famous spool magazines, as used in the M 1900, 1903, 1905, 1908 and 1910 models, guide the cartridges around the spool at the cartridge's base and the round nose bullet tip. If you use cartridges with a shorter oal or a slim pointed tip the front end of the cartridge will drop away from the cartridge carrier and bind up in the magazine. As the cartridge retainer and feed ramp are also set up to feed the long, round nose bullet original loads, you will run into feeding problems if you try to use cartridges markedly under maximum over all length in a Mannlicher – Schoenauer magazine of the models listed above.
I rarely crimp any rifle cartridges at all, except heavy, 9.3x74R and up, double rifle loads. Even in my .416 Rigby and .458 Lott I never encountered bullet movement from recoil. Contrary to your belief crimping does nothing to "even out neck tension", more often it does just the opposite: Unless all cases are EXACTLY of the same length and chamfered exactly the same, you will end up with different crimps from case to case, setting up the quite uniform neck tension you get when using cases of the same lot, sized and expanded in the same dies to the same inside diameters.

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Hmmm never noticed this issue in the Project rebuild 1903 Schoenauer of mine and I even tried 120 grain ballistic Tips through it. Not many as it has had very few rounds through it due to the plain stupidity of the Lincolnshire Firearms Licensing department. Having the twin hole floor plate I understand it is pre 1924 manufacture but of course it has a brand new Steyr barrel on it now. Hopefully if we reloacte perhaps in a more sane shooting enviroment I can get back to doing these projects and finishing them.

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