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Hemihead
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1952 7x64
      #244571 - 29/03/14 05:39 AM

Picked up a nice 1952 Improved in 7x64.No import marks,just say's Steyr on the floorplate.Would this be a GK? [image][/image] [image][/image]

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244576 - 29/03/14 08:10 AM

Yes, it's a GK, gerader Kolben = straight buttstock, with blued bolt. Should be marked "Modell GK / 7x64" on the receiver ring. The most common Mannlicher-Schoenauer version and chambering found in Germany.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244577 - 29/03/14 08:26 AM

Kuduae, where the M-S model name NO comes ? I read somewhere that GK means "gebogene kammerstengel" i.e. bent bolt handle. I´m not sure if that version is correct but it sounds rational.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Igorrock]
      #244582 - 29/03/14 09:53 AM

Thanks.I won't have it in my hand's till Wednesday,to read the receiver ring.The 7x64 is not a common round here in the U.S. in a Schoenauer.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244585 - 29/03/14 11:11 AM

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Kuduae, where the M-S model name NO comes ? I read somewhere that GK means "gebogene kammerstengel" i.e. bent bolt handle. I´m not sure if that version is correct but it sounds rational.


The other post-1952 M-S standard catalog models were named for their buttstock shape: MC = Monte Carlo, MCA = Monte Carlo Amerikanisch. These models had the same bent bolt handles too. So there is no logic in naming the GK for the bent bolt handle instead of the stock shape like the other contemporary catalog models.
I don't know what the meaning of "Modell NO" is, maybe "nicht ordinär". I have seen several NO marked Mannlicher-Schoenauers, all post-1952. The only thing they have in common: Their configurations are listed in no Steyr catalog. Some examples: One is a late post-52 action with secondary sliding tang safety, 24" rifle length barrel in 9.3x62, buttstock like a GK, but full stocked to the muzzle like a Stutzen.


Two others rifles with post-52 receivers with double pull military type triggers and straight bolt handles and elongated safety wings, without side- or tang safeties, with side-mounted wide sling swivels, mounted with much altered Anschütz target peep sights. Marked "Modell NO / Kal. 7,62x51". These were made in small numbers, perhaps two dozen, in the 1960s for the military biathlon teams of both the Austrian and German armies.


Another a rifle in 9.3x62 with post-52 receiver, straight 1950 type bolt handle and without any secondary safety. So IMHO the NO model designation was for special order, custom variations or special order chamberings that did not conform to the contemporary catalog models.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244590 - 29/03/14 12:53 PM

OK, in Sweden you occasionally could find Mannlicher marked as Mod. NO. Most of them have whole lenght stock and caliber 6,5x55 but also half stocked .30-06 rifles exists. They all have straight bolt handle and straight buttstock.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Igorrock]
      #244592 - 29/03/14 01:12 PM

Can you men tell me about these scope mounts?Are they from Steyr?The scope is a Zeiss Diavari.Thanks

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244601 - 29/03/14 06:17 PM

This kind of scope mounts are very ordinary in Germany so there is several makers.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Igorrock]
      #244629 - 30/03/14 06:40 AM

These "Dreifuss-Einhakmontagen" = three feet clawmounts were the most popular mounts in Germany, used almost exclusively on Mannlicher - Schoenauers here. The in-the-white parts were most often provided by EAW, and fitted, mounted and finished by the individual gunsmithes who retailed the rifle and/or the scope. The mounts provided as "Factory options" by Steyr were mistrusted by German customers, as were all side mounts. Pre-WW2 Steyr offered Kahles "Mignon" or "Heliavier" scopes in a variation of the Vienna snap on mount as a factory catalog option, but apparently these mounts were made and installed by outworkers in the Steyr area, as they are all slightly different, even if the same scopes are mounted on the same rifle models. Post-WW2 the factory offered a peculiar swing mount of their own design. I have yet to see such a "Steyr factory swing/pivot mount" here in Germany. Both types of "Steyr factory" mounts, post-and prewar, were shown in this thread:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=130916&an=0&page=9#Post130916

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244631 - 30/03/14 06:52 AM

Thanks kuduae.So they are a most desirable mount.I have a few boxes of Norma 154gr coming.We'll see how it shoot's this coming week

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Igorrock]
      #244633 - 30/03/14 07:01 AM

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OK, in Sweden you occasionally could find Mannlicher marked as Mod. NO. Most of them have whole lenght stock and caliber 6,5x55 but also half stocked .30-06 rifles exists. They all have straight bolt handle and straight buttstock.


The 6.5x55 chambering was indeed a special order chambering originally, made for the Scandinavian market exclusively, hence the NO model designation. The 6.5x55 Swede was unknown in central Europe until the Swedish military surplus Mausers started to come in about 1970, near the end of Mannlicher-Schoenauer production. The about 1960 catalog 6.5mm Steyr factory offerings were 6.5x54 M-S in the carbine only, 6.5x57 in carbines and rifles, both GK and MC stocks, and 6.5x68 in the "Magnum" model.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244648 - 30/03/14 01:25 PM

How long did they make the 1952 model? This one is stamped "58" on the receiver.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244693 - 31/03/14 06:32 AM

About the NO model, I think it stands for Normal or something similar, meaning the classic 1950 shape and not the "improved" 1952 or GK with slanted bolt handle etc. I think that in the 1960s there was the GM, MC and NO models, where NO was very similar to the older 1950.

I used to have a full stock NO in .30-06 which is quite common here in Sweden.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Clark]
      #244696 - 31/03/14 08:38 AM

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About the NO model, I think it stands for Normal or something similar, meaning the classic 1950 shape and not the "improved" 1952 or GK with slanted bolt handle etc. I think that in the 1960s there was the GM, MC and NO models, where NO was very similar to the older 1950.



But that full stocked 9.3x62 shown above has the slanted bolt handle and the additional side safety of the post-52 models GK,MC and MCA and is marked "Modell NO" also. As I wrote, all Modell NOs I have seen deviate in some way from the contemporary standard catalog offerings.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244706 - 31/03/14 04:21 PM

Here is some interesting notes for this discussion:

http://www.mannlicher.org/aboutmannlichers/mannlichercharacteristics

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Igorrock]
      #244751 - 01/04/14 08:04 AM

So it appears you could have ordered a 1952GK in the early 1960's.Very confusing.There must be somebody around that worked for Steyr in the early 1970's that would be able to end the confusion.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244756 - 01/04/14 09:30 AM

Apparently there is even more confusion, even at the Steyr factory: According to the Mannlicher Collectors list linked to by Igorrock above the so-called "Magnum" action in 6.5x68 was introduced in 1958. Mine, clearly a Magnum action with the post-52 side safety and low, straight bolthandle is proof dated 1957, a year before it was introduced according to the list. And, it's receiver ring is clearly marked "Mod.1950"! See this thread:
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....true#Post160883
I asked the Steyr representatives at the IWA some weeks ago about literature on sporting Mannlicher-Schoenauers and they told me about their own "definite" book on their history. That book set me back Euro 49.- . A big disappointment! Only half a confused page on thes classic rifles. The models 1924, 1925 are not even mentioned . The company, now owned by south-eastern investors, is not interested in their former products, they are only interested in selling their current Steyr rifles that are not related to the classic Mannlicher-Schoenauers any more. At least this information may be of some value: The last true Mannlicher-Schoenauer sporter was shipped in 1973, now 41 years ago, after a total production of "about 73000".

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244757 - 01/04/14 09:57 AM

Thanks kuduae,Your very informative.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244774 - 01/04/14 05:37 PM

kuduae, did you buy this book ?



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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Igorrock]
      #244781 - 01/04/14 07:56 PM

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kuduae, did you buy this book ?


Yes!

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244809 - 02/04/14 06:04 AM

kuduae,It's $65 US here.Is it usefull at all?

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244819 - 02/04/14 08:08 AM

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kuduae,It's $65 US here.Is it usefull at all?


If you want to get a superficial survey of the history of the company, the biographies of Mrs. Werndl, Mannlicher, Schoenauer, Holub, and of the many various gun designs they made for Austrian and other armies, from the Werndl to the AUG, yes.
If you want to know something specific about the classic Mannlicher-Schoenauer hunting rifles,or any other gun they made, NO!!! (This is no model designation!)
You find more information on this Mannlicher forum, if you care to browse past threads, 12 pages since 2003.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: kuduae]
      #244840 - 02/04/14 01:16 PM

Well the wait is almost over,I'll pick the rifle up tomorrow.Curious if there will be "GK"stamped on the receiver ring.

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #244891 - 03/04/14 08:06 AM

1952,kal.7x64 on the receiver ring.Excellent condition in & out.Hensoldt Diavari 1.5x6 [image][/image] [image][/image]

Edited by Hemihead (03/04/14 08:21 AM)

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Re: 1952 7x64 [Re: Hemihead]
      #246986 - 05/05/14 11:44 AM

Great rifle, congratulations!

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