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little Carcano sporter project
#236683 - 15/10/13 12:17 AM

when I found a Carcano action under the workbench of my Gunmaker I was knowing this was a hint from heaven.

for a long time I was missing a rifle that shoots easy available surplus ammo to loan it on the range.

caliber was clear because the Carcano bolt fits the 7,62x39 without problems. only thing I was needing was a barrel but thanks to bokmal a like new finnish Maxim machine gun barrel without chamber was found.
the barrel 57cm long was lathe turned, the action polished and today the thing officially started.

its more or less for making some use of the leftowers from my Mosin sporter project.
I had a walnut stock blank worked inside for the mosin action that dont came in use because of an original stock I got. was glueing a piece of wood again to the stock so it became a mannlicher typ fullstock and changed it inside again for the carecano action. because there was a claw mount rear feet for a scope with rail I was looking for a early post war scope in the class of a zeissziel 4 and got a hensoldt 4x. its more than adequate for the intended use: shooting paper at 50 meter at daylight.

the post war Hensoldt over a pre war Zeissziel 4

in the fullstock

the original bolt handel will be cut off, I made a spoon lever handel from the original Vergueiro bolt handle

the old proofhouse only stock from my mosin project. the gunmaker love it because he could work on the rifle without care about the stock so I change this for the carcano action again.

when making the plan I orientate myself to such austrian sporting rifles like this

of course, they are a copy of the Mannlicher Schönauer carbine the favourite rifle of the moutain hunter for decades but the Mannlicher Schönauer have an background that's have also some roots in the Carcano.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#236685 - 15/10/13 01:57 AM

Interesting project and the results will be a handy little deer & plinking rifle.

Cast bullets might be a lot of fun.

What rate of twist is in the machine gun barrel? I suspect it will not matter as anything 10" to 14" would suffice.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: DarylS]
#236689 - 15/10/13 06:19 AM

heaven no, no reloading for the 7,62x39 thats what this project is about. I get surplus ammo for 13,4 euro cent a round. you can't reload for this money...
problem was that anytime I had someone with me on the range he had to shot with some obsolet and exotic handloads I was making in the sweat of my brow.

I ask myself if most of this alpine Mannlicher Schönauer alike for sale in the original 6,5x52 were not in fact rechambered for the 6,5x54. you know how accurate old guns were advertised most times.
as you see here the shoulder and case mouth of the 6,5x54 is just a little bit over 1mm longer than the 6,5x52. the carcano was not available in the 1950s as a sporting round when the 6,5x54 was made quick as possible after 1955 again.

6,5x52 6,5x54 6,5x53R

6,5x52 6,5x53R 6,5x54 7,62x39 HP, SP and FMJ , 8x33( the mother of all short cartridges)

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#253263 - 06/09/14 05:53 PM

Hows it coming along?

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Ash]
#253287 - 07/09/14 07:08 PM

its sleeping a little bit, barrel is in and the chamber cut. gunmaker have made some trials for get the round chamber from the clip but no success.

other things are before now

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#255018 - 11/10/14 07:17 PM

Have heard that the feed ramp must be extended so you can get the shorter 7.62x39 cartridges to feed from the Italian clips. How exactly would you go about that I have no idea. However if only for short range shooting I would make up a steel grooved loading block and pin it in place.Was looking at a carcano action in my stash the other day and it should not be had to construct one. Then just cut off the trigger guard like the krag and fill in the space occupied by the magazine assembly with some matching walnut and install a bushing for the front guard screw after it has been epoxied in place. Or you could use a section of one of the ten round single stack magazines from the WASR series of rifles built like an ak but only takes a ten round magazine. There was one such rifle posted I believe on the castboolits@gunboards forum. Some machining required. Hope this helps. By the way the ten shot mags were stamped Romania if that is any help. Picked two of them out of the $5 box at cabelas.Frank

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#255027 - 12/10/14 01:49 AM

Yes - I see - a rechamber would just clean up the old chamber.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: DarylS]
#255215 - 15/10/14 08:42 PM

I reckon a x52 would be a funner project than a x54, especially based on a carcano.

The 7.62x39 will be tons of fun! And so cheap to run!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Ash]
#290315 - 15/11/16 07:05 AM

two years later

was trying to get a proper feeding from the original enbloc clip with 7,62x39 but at least with this action here it was a wrong way. the reason is the 7,62 cartridge is not guided between the clip and chamber.

now I cut the follower housing in two parts and steel pieces were welded and milled so they will made runners for a box magazine

bought a CZ 527 magazine for 7,62x39

the clip latch got an arm , fixed again by welding to hold the magazine in place. for this job a 2mm thick piece of steel will be soft soldered on the back of the magazine where in a groove than the clip latch can snap in.

we will see...

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#329320 - 13/06/19 03:49 AM

whats going on with the little carcano? no post about it since 11/16

finally it works

the rifle was in the proof house in suhl and the scope is on the rifle, with a claw mount

shooting the rifle 4 weeks ago and the scope hits the target where it should

the stock is still the old proof house stock serving once for the 9,3 mm mosin project than as a proof house stock for this carcano. I finish it 99 % with a table saw and a belt sander to made it ready now. it will end painted nato green.
with this stock I will use the rifle for target shooting and give it to friends as a loaner. another full stock will be made using the old walnut blank still laying here from the mosin project.

first time I have 7,62x39 brass cases in the house

7,62x39
8x39
9x39 ( iirc, a finish wildcat for some kind of action shooting with semi auto AK rifles)
9,5x39
10,75x39
resized with a 41 Mag die
my 401 WSL brass ( ex 414 Super Mag starline brass case)

the case is 1,5 mm shorter than it have to be for 401 WSL but the primer makes bang and the case eject. we will see what hapen after the case is realy fireformed.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#329326 - 13/06/19 07:40 AM

You're a bloody genius Lancaster!!!

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#329350 - 14/06/19 12:24 AM

thank you mate, take it as a bloody compliment

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#329363 - 14/06/19 06:15 AM

Quote:

thank you mate, take it as a bloody compliment

Yep!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: 93x64mm]
#329812 - 05/07/19 05:10 AM

the working day stock is ready now, a little bit rough but will doing the job and I like it

enough time now to finish the weekend stock

finaly found suitable iron sights for the rifle, was not simple and cost me more than the action

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#329813 - 05/07/19 05:55 AM

Coming along nicely Lancaster - is the stock walnut or is it something else?

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#329815 - 05/07/19 07:17 AM

That is looking good. Be interested to see how it shoots when finished.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Rule303]
#329816 - 05/07/19 09:20 AM

that's a very neat job with the CZ mag, I hope mine comes out as nice. The pic of the little Mannlicher stocked Carcano at the start of this thread is one of my favourites.
Did you modify the bottom of the CZ mag to match the angle of the Carcano? and is the barrel still 570 long?

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: yumastepside]
#329821 - 05/07/19 01:53 PM

the full stock is walnut and as a a half stock it was for my mosin project once until I got the old finnish artic birch stock.
being left over than I glue it again together because of my penny pincher nature and change it inside for the carcano action. barrel is now still 57 cm long. once a maxim gun barrel 65 cm long than lost the original chamber to become an unregistered part. apart from the back the CZ magazine is original. there is some try and error to make it work and this is not completly finished now.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#329824 - 05/07/19 02:44 PM

Lancaster,

I really like your "cubist" inspired stock!

Ha ha, just a joke.

I do also quite like your working stock. Even though plastic, doesn't look that out of the norm. Have to read back to what you say about it, and where you sourced it.

I have a black plastic stock on my Swedish Mauser M96 and it is way more modern looking. Your stock looks so much better.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: NitroX]
#329833 - 06/07/19 12:38 AM

help me god, there is no plastik at all

AND IT WILL NEVER BE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daPI9nLr3-M

going back in history

there was a simple cubist proof house stock once for the mosin projekt

here together with the walnut blank that was designated to become the "mosin stock" but was rejected for the artic birch. this walnut blank wil become the weekend carcano stock now.

the mosin proof house stock was changed for the carcano action and became the proof house stock again.

the proof house in suhl dont proof barreled actions, they need some kind of stock.

when the rifle came back I trimmed the cubist stock with a lot of machine work into something acceptable.

and the rest was priming paint and a spray can with Nato Oliv green.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#330528 - 25/07/19 04:19 AM

I was not satisfied with the CZ magazine because for a good work it had to be a tight fit in the ex carcano magazine.
this was meaning the magazine going very hard in and much harder out.take a file and make some space in the carcano magazine until the CZ goes in and out without problem but then it was hanging and don't work anymore - rounds were not taken by the bolt in this position.
it's allways a little between GO and No Go.

there was a promising slit in front of the guide rail

drilled a hole for a 6,3 mm bearing ball so it come out the other side for 2-3 mm

the ball and two springs made from the rest of a mauser magazine spring I used once to make another spring

in action

magazine goes in and out very easy, also when it reach the ball

the CZ magazine have now a perfekt fit

and feeding is 100% flawless if you do it like a man. if you move the bolt in slow motion chance is very high the cartridge tip will not find the way into the chamber because oal of the 7,62x39 is one mm under the distance from the magazine lips to the barrel.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#330579 - 26/07/19 05:38 AM

lancaster:

Sorry I missed this.

RE the CZ527, it possesses an engineering flaw in the design of the interface between the magazine and the action bottom whereby the correct location for feeding is governed by the stock dimensions - wood thickness - between the bottom metal which possesses the magazine latch and the action, where the bolt must reciprocate to provide proper feeding. Usually, the first round would feed, but #2 and #3 might lie too low and the bolt simply ride over them.

This problem seems to exist primarily with the 7.62x39 rifles. Some 527's feed just fine, or do for a while and then go to pot. I had one that was a frustration. CZ was very helpful and sent me new mags and springs but nothing would fix the gun. Had that problem not existed, it would have been a favorite of mine, but since it did, it is no longer mine!

I am not 100% certain that the magazine is not partially to blame.

At any rate, your ball detent idea just might solve the riddle and anything that can positively fix the magazine in position should eliminate the potential problem.

At any rate, a derailment off topic, I apologize, but I thought you might find that interesting.

And by the way, the project looks excellent. Bravo!!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: 9.3x57]
#330590 - 26/07/19 11:32 AM

That is quite an involved and challenging project. Well done.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: DarylS]
#330593 - 26/07/19 12:52 PM

its the first time I heard about feeding problems with the CZ 527. any chance it was a monday made rifle?
the little CZ action see a lot of use here but in .222 what is the legal minimum for hunting roedeer. so far the .222 is also used for shooting the special "hunting " disciplines and this rifles make thousends of round's a year. the 7,62x39 is a little bit obscure because its connectet with the AK 47 and this is a "terrorist gun" in the public today. doesn't mean shooters dont like the AK action in a sporterized gun but there are not many hunter's using them.
the real king in this class is with no doubt the .223 rem today which shoot flat, is very precise and kill anything from fox to roe deer. and you have a much greater selection of guns!
if I dont had a special taste the CZ 527 would have been my choice in 7,62x39. no doubt the mini mauser action is much smaller and handier than the carcano.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#330597 - 26/07/19 04:19 PM

Lancaster, congratulations on your Carcano project; you are a man of many talents!
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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
#330605 - 26/07/19 10:58 PM

Well done lancaster! My hat is off to you sir.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: JDL]
#334747 - 23/11/19 07:34 AM

iron sight and the ring for the sling ring soft soldered

the front sight is only half way in the base because it must go out again when the rifle is blued. time to start the full stock.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#340811 - 06/05/20 12:40 PM

Any updates on this build, Lancaster? I've found this to be one of the most interesting and inventive projects I've seen in ages. I compliment you on your ingenuity! I can't wait to see more.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
#340812 - 06/05/20 02:13 PM

unfortunately not, rifle goes to the gunmaker to get a higher front sight because it shoots 11 cm low on 50 meter with iron sights.

stutzen stock have little progress but because nobody sends me home in corona times ...

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#340819 - 06/05/20 06:50 PM

Lars, I think you need a lower front sight, not a higher one, to move the point of impact up.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: xausa]
#340826 - 07/05/20 12:30 AM

of course, your are right - lower front if available or higher rear sight

iirc, he will weld on to get the rear sight higher

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#340849 - 07/05/20 03:01 PM

Quote:

unfortunately not, rifle goes to the gunmaker to get a higher front sight because it shoots 11 cm low on 50 meter with iron sights.

stutzen stock have little progress but because nobody sends me home in corona times ...

So many people sitting at home complaining about "nothing to do", and someone so inventive with so many things on the go can't catch a break. Go figure. Please keep us updated when you get the chance, Lancaster. It's great to see some genuine DIY gunsmithing projects, as opposed to the usual "I'm on a two-year waiting list with this-years' world-famous gunmaker to spend the price of a BMW on my latest custom rifle." Gives us little people something to aim for....

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
#343420 - 20/07/20 01:22 PM

I really like this project, never thought of using a Carcano for that chambering. I sure hope no one trys to pass off a rifle to me I have enough to do now.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Rolland]
#344667 - 30/08/20 05:42 AM

finally find the time to shape the stutzen stock

will be ready to get a checkering, steel can be blued now

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#344668 - 30/08/20 05:45 AM

Very nice. I love the shape of the stock.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#344670 - 30/08/20 07:41 AM

Very nice indeed. What checkering are you using on the stock?

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Rule303]
#344672 - 30/08/20 10:06 AM

VERY IMPRESSIVE! Im jealous. We have a Carcarno TS model in the shop. Id never consider it for a sporter because its in decent military shape; but I have thought about cleaning it up (restoring as a military gun).

Sometimes there are too many projects staring at me on the shelves. We just took in a Argentine Carbine thats begging to be sporterized. The receiver crest has been scrubbed and the front sight nose cap is missing. The owner has it on consignment with us but thinks its worth a fortune. If it sits for awhile, Im gonna make him an (low) offer thats more in keeping with its actual worth. It make a nice woods carbine.

Lancaster, I dont have your skills; but we do think alike. I love the full length stock and butterknife bolt handle

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: EDELWEISS]
#345051 - 13/09/20 04:34 AM

thank you for the flowers but beside of Mister Dorleac I am a very small number

look at classic rifles and just start, you will become better with every new project.
if I find a sporterized Model 91 argentine mauser it would be very hard to resist.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#345052 - 13/09/20 05:07 AM

Quote:

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if I find a sporterized Model 91 argentine mauser it would be very hard to resist.

I agree, its very sad that most of them available had the crest ground off the receiver ring.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: LRF]
#345061 - 13/09/20 10:38 AM

Wow,,,best looking Carcano I've ever seen.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#345066 - 13/09/20 04:22 PM

learning from older
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=186099&an=0&page=3#Post186099

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#345067 - 13/09/20 04:50 PM

G'day Lancaster. I am stunned at just how well those rifles have turned out. I can only imagine the effort involved. The first centrefire rifle I ever owned was a Carcano carbine. My father bought it for me when I was about 13. I remember the day well...it was a Saturday and we were going fishing. We pulled into the garage to fuel the boat up on the way to the ramp.And, when the old man came out of the shop after paying for the fuel he was carrying a Carcano carbine and a box (50) of surplus ammo, with clips!. He handed the pile over and said "there you go son". I was fairly happy boy! I'm fairly sure it was something like $39 for the lot. They were the good old days...no licensing and many a small shop or garage sold rifles and ammo. YAHOO !

Anyway, about 2 hours later I was out of ammo...and my ears still haven't stopped ringing. Still brings a smile to my face when I think about it....and I often wonder what I did to my old man to upset him that bad..that he bought me a Carcano to shoot.Ha Ha Ha. I reckon I fired no more than 200 rounds through her. Accuracy was at best tin can size group at 50 yards. Functionality...not good. Gave it to a mate a few years later. I rated it as a great "Garden Stake" and to this day I do not know how that flame thrower didn't start a bush fire. Talk about muzzle flash.

Anyway mate. You've certainly turned a pigs ear into a beautiful silk purse.

Thanks for the post.

Cheers
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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Rod4861]
#345068 - 13/09/20 05:05 PM

Really, really, superb work Lancaster and perfect result; nothing else to say!
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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
#345261 - 22/09/20 08:56 PM

Hi Lancaster,

I just read this thread from start to the present (didn't say finish)! What an interesting project. It certainly shows your creativity.

Have you had the rifle to the range? I would be interested to have an accuracy report.

Also, I was interested to see Rod's report that the CZ527 gives feeding problems. Though I never have seen, handled, nor shot one of those rifles, I have often thought it would be a great "woods loafing" rifle.

I do have experience with the .300 AAC Blackout. What a great cartridge it is! It can duplicate all the ballistics of the 7.62x39 with a straight bodied case (slight bottleneck) formed from 5.56 brass. It will feed in any action that will eat .223.

Keep us informed as this Carcano project comes to completion.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: CptCurl]
#345267 - 23/09/20 04:28 AM

had the rifle on the range, try different cartridges
best group was made by 1960s soviet tula military ammo

just want to see if the iron sights were right. little bit low but I have another lower front sight now that will doing it, hopefully.
the stutzenstock is by a lady now who make the checkering for me. she asked if she can take the stock to a show in november were she will work in front of visitors and I agree, why not.
I am a little bit short of time now but believe the rifle will be blued until christmas.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#345278 - 24/09/20 12:17 AM

Quote:

had the rifle on the range, try different cartridges
best group was made by 1960s soviet tula military ammo

just want to see if the iron sights were right. little bit low but I have another lower front sight now that will doing it, hopefully.
the stutzenstock is by a lady now who make the checkering for me. she asked if she can take the stock to a show in november were she will work in front of visitors and I agree, why not.
I am a little bit short of time now but believe the rifle will be blued until christmas.

Are you planning to position the forward edge of the forend checkering to incorporate the splice in the stock blank? That could potentially conceal the join line between the two grains very effectively.

This has been a fascinating build. Like all of us here, I can't wait to see the final product!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
#345287 - 24/09/20 04:49 AM

I know what you mean, because its clearly orientate on the Schönauer

maybe, will sleep about it

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#348522 - 27/12/20 04:53 PM

what to do when a project is ready? breathing once than thinking about the next

the checkering was ready in novemeber and my gunmaker recommend a gentleman in suhl for rust blueing what was necessary because of soft soldering and welding. the man had a time table when he do rust blueing and the last date this year was from 21 to 23 december.
on 24 december the post was bringing a well known package. cost 60 euro including shipment back home, you can't do at home for this price.

other smal parts were fire blueed ( look for the real blue parts)or hot blueed by myself

the sins of the past - can#t remember how often I have talk to tig welder to stay away a german mile (this are 24000 german feet) from anything stainless

well, it did not happen witht he bolt handle! looks fine before blueing but now I see what happen there

no idea what to do about this

yes, its a light and handy rifle. the only new parts on the whole thing are the stock front cap and the stutzen sling ring, every other part was old and reuse.

this is my definition of being ecologically friendly and having a low carbon footprint!

and yes, all ranges are closed because of miss corona.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#348527 - 27/12/20 06:07 PM

Nice looking rifle now. Be interested in how she shoots when you can get to the range.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Rule303]
#348528 - 27/12/20 07:30 PM

Sincere congratulations on you work, Lancaster, your Carcano has turned into a really desirable little sporter; I hope she will shoot as well as she is nice!
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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
#348531 - 28/12/20 01:37 AM

That looks great.

Regards the TIG brightness, mask off everything that's black with shellac or wax or whatever and suspend the bolt in a sealed container with muriatic acid. The fumes will turn the stainless very dark grey.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
#348533 - 28/12/20 05:46 AM

Very nice looking carbine!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Dogfish858]
#348540 - 28/12/20 08:25 AM

Quote:

Regards the TIG brightness, mask off everything that's black with shellac or wax or whatever and suspend the bolt in a sealed container with muriatic acid. The fumes will turn the stainless very dark grey.

Probably not what you want to hear Lancaster, but being a 'non standard rifle'; perhaps a Cerakote finish on the bolt / bolt handle will alleviate that look?
The colours that they have are quite unique - perhaps 'Blue Titanium"?

https://wepleadthe2nd.com/cerakote-color-guide/

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Dogfish858]
#348586 - 29/12/20 04:30 AM

Quote:

That looks great.

Regards the TIG brightness, mask off everything that's black with shellac or wax or whatever and suspend the bolt in a sealed container with muriatic acid. The fumes will turn the stainless very dark grey.

that seems a solution if it was possible to mask all carbon steel perfect but ...

I will look also in this direction, don't know if cerakote is an option for me.
wish I can close this story very quickly because two other project get new start next year.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#348598 - 29/12/20 06:29 AM

You'd need to drop it into a pot of shellac, let it drip dry, then remove the shellac from the tigged area, then drop in methanol to clean it all up again.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Dogfish858]
#348758 - 02/01/21 09:38 AM

I really like the way it turned out Lancaster!

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
#349288 - 16/01/21 04:08 AM

Lancaster,
I do not want to hijack your thread but wanted to ask a question
about the Carcano as it is the only thread I have ever seen about
sportering one.

I have a model 91/38 that is 7 .35 and want to sporter it.
Was thinking of using the T38 Arasaki bottom metal for it.
Do you think it will fit?
If so it will give me a flat bottom and I will not have to
use the clips to load the mag.

Any ideas ?

Jim
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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
#349333 - 17/01/21 02:54 AM

I dont think its fits right from the start but its all steel and all can be changed be welding or simply soft soldering until it fits

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: Louis]
#349337 - 17/01/21 03:10 AM

The issue of the stainless filler metal in the bolt handle welds would most easily be fixed by grinding or filing or milling the welds out completely and then welding them back with the right filler metal.

I'd do one side at a time so that you don't have to hold it in a fixture for the replacement welds.

Then it's done.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: tinker]
#349350 - 17/01/21 06:24 AM

you are right

we allready talking about this here

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
#349419 - 19/01/21 04:45 AM

Quote:

Lancaster,
I do not want to hijack your thread but wanted to ask a question
about the Carcano as it is the only thread I have ever seen about
sportering one.

I have a model 91/38 that is 7 .35 and want to sporter it.
Was thinking of using the T38 Arasaki bottom metal for it.
Do you think it will fit?
If so it will give me a flat bottom and I will not have to
use the clips to load the mag.

Any ideas ?

Jim
aka: rodmkr

Two points, rodmkr: First, I hope you're not proposing to chop up an original-condition military Carcano. The days of vandalizing military collectibles to provide raw materials for deer rifles is long over, even if it's a model of rifle for which a lot of people seem to have little respect. As Lancaster has shown us here, there are plenty of already-butchered rifles around to turn into silk purses! The idiots who like to say, "I own it, it's up to me what I do with it." are nothing more than drool-covered morons with no respect for history. One doesn't "own" history, but is merely a caretaker of the moment.

(For the record, I've no interest myself in collecting military-pattern rifles. I've owned and worked on many rifles made from milsurps, especially P-14/M1917's, but I would never ruin one. Everything I've touched has been "pre-Bubba'd" back in the old days of picking any one you want out of a barrel for $19.95.)

Second, you might want to think about other makes of bottom metal, if the Arisaka isn't a direct bolt-in. There's already considerable work to do on the Arisaka to fix the hideous square trigger guard. It might be easier just to find something with pleasing lines that you could modify, even cut and weld on either a piece from a different floorplate, or even flat stock and shape it. In for a penny, in for a pound...

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
#349459 - 20/01/21 02:32 AM

Vykkagur,

It was a $20 dollar junker to start with.
I was not the person who bubbad it.
The barrel is good and that is the only reason I purchased it.
Was unable to find a different barrel and Granddaughter likes it as is
due to low recoil.

rodmkr

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
#349460 - 20/01/21 03:28 AM

the easiest way would be to copy the britisch mannlicher rifles with the scope on a side mount on the left side of the action so you can still load the rifle with clips

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: rodmkr]
#349461 - 20/01/21 03:48 AM

Quote:

Vykkagur,

It was a $20 dollar junker to start with.
I was not the person who bubbad it.
The barrel is good and that is the only reason I purchased it.
Was unable to find a different barrel and Granddaughter likes it as is
due to low recoil.

rodmkr

Thanks rodmkr, that's a relief. Sounds like the perfect candidate then.

I agree with Lancaster re the side mount scope. If you use my favourite, the Pachmayr Lo-Swing, you can have both centerline sighting, and access for clip loading. Quick(ish) detaching, as well.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
#349462 - 20/01/21 04:25 AM

ok, I have the scope on claw mount in centerline with the action but this was because of CZ magazine in the end.
my original plan was to use the 7,62x39 with clips and the scope on the side.
well, it did not work this way and I was opportunistic enough to change.

if I hade build a carcano sporter in .35 remington with clip loading the british mannlicher 92/93/95 would have been the model for this.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: lancaster]
#349463 - 20/01/21 05:38 AM

Interesting suggestion, a .35 Rem. would be a very good deer and bear ctg. & moose/elk in the bush.
One of the US writers did an article on a bolt actioned .35 Rem. once - might have been Carmichel. Seems to me he was running 200gr RN's and SP's at about 2,300fps.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: DarylS]
#349476 - 20/01/21 09:36 AM

Now we're getting into the territory of our friend, yumastepside. He had a .35 Carcano project he was considering. Sort of a stretched/blown out .35 Remington. Not sure how far he's gone with it; he has a pretty full plate.

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: vykkagur]
#349496 - 20/01/21 06:07 PM

....full plate? I've progressed to several platters.....still working on it, one of my Carcano actions will be rebarrelled with a .358 barrel cut with a 6.5x54 reamer and cut the neck with a .358 neck and throat reamer....the 6.5x54 necked out to 35 cal. is only slightly smaller than the 358 Win.

L-R 35 Rem. 35 Carcano 30-30

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: yumastepside]
#349497 - 20/01/21 06:16 PM

A mate in Vermont has a Carcano in 35 Remington.....re-barrel, cut chamber, no other changes with 5 rounds in the original en-bloc clips.

My other Carcano has .264 barrel from a 6.5x55 and re-chambered to 6.5x54, Mannlicher stock and hopefully soon, double set triggers. The stock at the moment is made from a .22 stock and the original ( already butchered ) Carcano stock that I will have copied when I'm happy with it.

....still a lot of wood to remove on the fore-end...

Roger

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Re: little Carcano sporter project [Re: yumastepside]
#349501 - 20/01/21 07:05 PM

Still working on the double set triggers, Roger, never fear!

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