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BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's
      #248874 - 12/06/14 07:09 PM

Have just bought this with the intention of making a sporting rifle in the Lee Speed style.


Have bought this blank to stock it with





The intention is to have it look like this one


I will get the picture blown up till I get 13 3/8 L O P so I will have the correct pattern to work from but wonder what are you using for the steel butt plate.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #248875 - 12/06/14 07:25 PM

Hi Von Gruff,

That will look great when finished... Thank God for scaling printers...

Good luck with the project.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #248957 - 14/06/14 08:39 AM

The blank arrived this morning, so the first thing was to plane and sand out the pattern marked on it.



I ordered this from track of the wolf so it should be here in a couple of weeks.http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partdetail.aspx/671/1/BP-SHOT-C-2-I



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249262 - 20/06/14 05:37 PM

There had been a lobbing sight that was missing and I found that I wasn't able to see the open sights clearly enough to contemplate using them and not wanting to (spend money) use an off the shelf aperture, I decided to make one. If I came across a bolt mounted unit I may change but for now this will work handily.
First I needed a fitted backing washer to bring the lobbing sight recess out level with the wrist


An alloy pattern and a length of steel came next


The top of an old jack supplied something to hold the aperture and an un-used ruger ring knurled knob would become the aperture itself.








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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249263 - 20/06/14 05:41 PM

I drew my pattern onto the stock blank



And cut the blank into the two halves.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249346 - 23/06/14 03:22 PM

Butt socket fitted and almost into the forestock. I have used a piece of jarah for the forend tip and the gripcap. A friend gave me a couple of posts of it so there is a little personal in it for me.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249347 - 23/06/14 04:32 PM

A bit of Aussie wood in there VG.. Shows you are a dedicated fella doing that job something this mere mortal wouldnt even attempt.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: gryphon]
      #249360 - 24/06/14 12:22 AM

That is looking really good!
Lee Speeds have some interesting consistencies as far as stock layout.
For example, if you draw a straight line from the heel along the comb, it crosses right through the bolt knob, crosses the bottom of the forend at the forend tip seam and terminates right at the muzzle. I don't know if this is by design, but it sure makes a sleek looking rifle and to my eye dictates a good choice for barrel length.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Huvius]
      #249469 - 25/06/14 03:36 PM


"quote"
Lee Speeds have some interesting consistencies as far as stock layout.
For example, if you draw a straight line from the heel along the comb, it crosses right through the bolt knob, crosses the bottom of the forend at the forend tip seam and terminates right at the muzzle. "end quote"

Now that is interesting and of course you know I will check that out when I get it to a stage that all the relevant bits are in place.

Finished the gross inletting of the b/a and will refine when shaping is underway. Fitted the butt plate with a 3/16 cast.





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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249558 - 26/06/14 04:59 PM

Trigger guard and mag well attended to today. Tomorrow the shaping will start.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249609 - 27/06/14 01:04 PM

Have got the gross shaping of the butstock done and will leave it for the day. Will come back with a fresh pair of eyes and hands.

First thing today was to reinforce the rear of the forestock which is often done with a brass pin through the stock but I wanted the strength without the visible rod end so made a series of holes with a undersize drill bit, cleaned it out and with sawdust to stain the epoxy a bit tapped the threaded stem into the cut out so that the threads actually bit into the wood.




Put that away into a warm place to mature for a day or two (our winter so the shed is to cold for glues/epoxies)

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249610 - 27/06/14 01:07 PM

The butt stock was planed on one side to even up the excess mandated by the cast in the stock



Then the carefull start and stop on the bench planer to taper in for the wrist to the grip cap and down to the butt cap outline


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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249611 - 27/06/14 01:10 PM

Then it was patience with rasps then files to bring some shape to it





And the "tools"



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249689 - 29/06/14 01:46 PM

Today play has seen it all shaped up down to sanding stage







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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249693 - 29/06/14 07:12 PM

Nice work well done, my hat is off to you, I have had a Hell of a job just fitting preshaped stocks to my Buggers, I fitted Buffalo forend tips to mine & wish I had power tools, I did just get a checking file to do my cut file rib & sights, works a treat !!

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Sarg]
      #249694 - 29/06/14 07:38 PM

Thanks Sarg, I have noted a number of yours in this section and took your barrel sling eye pics as pattern for doing one for myself and another for a friends Lee Speed.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249737 - 30/06/14 01:40 PM

Got everything sanded down through 150 and 240grit after a little re-shaping of forend tip and gripcap area. Slimmed the wrist and the forend fo a really nice slim fast handling feel.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249747 - 30/06/14 06:46 PM

Quote:

Thanks Sarg, I have noted a number of yours in this section and took your barrel sling eye pics as pattern for doing one for myself and another for a friends Lee Speed.




That's funny I'm the one who is normally flogging pics & ideas off the forum, so it is good that some one got some thing back, Cheers !


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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Sarg]
      #249792 - 01/07/14 03:00 PM

Today was a slow day with another 'go over' with the 240grit and a wetting down to whisker it the first time. Will go to 360 grit tomorrow, whisker again then go to 600 grit before the first 50/50 tung oil/ vegetable turps soaking.
Not the best light but a little colour starting to show itself.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249795 - 01/07/14 08:23 PM

It seems you are keeping the lines of the rifle very true to the original Lee Speed stock design. Good on you !

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #249796 - 01/07/14 08:49 PM

Nice!!


Will you checker?

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Deutsche_Vortrekker]
      #249797 - 01/07/14 08:51 PM

Von Gruff,
looks bloody amazing mate - keep up the posts, we want to see how this old girls shoots too!
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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: tinker]
      #249823 - 02/07/14 07:22 AM

Quote:

Nice!!


Will you checker?




Would like to but checkering is one of the (many) things I haven't tried yet, but I might have a crack at it at some stage as it would put the finishing touches to it. I really like the traditional style and pattern but have taken a liking to flat top and may need time to decide on this one

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249867 - 03/07/14 02:19 AM

Keep up. Looks perfect.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: rigbymauser]
      #249886 - 03/07/14 11:36 AM

Today saw the sanding off of the 360 grit whiskering, re-wetting it and sanding again with 360, then wetting and sanding with 600 grit. I left it for an hour after each wetting before sanding but there was progressively less whisker standing until there was almost none at the final wetting.
Next step has been to start the flooding process where I kept as much 50/50 (tung/veg turps) flooded onto the surface for about an hour till it showed it was slowing on the uptake into the wood. Then I rubbed it down hard with a cloth so there was nothing on the surface. Will do more flooding tomorrow, then sand back to the surface before filling the grain.

You can see where there is dry wood on a couple of places.





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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249888 - 03/07/14 12:46 PM

Another little piece of the puzzle I was playing with today was the barrel mounted sling eye. Thanks to Sarg
As mentioned earlier I got a couple of these posts


So with an off cut of shotgun barrel which just happens to have an ID that is almost the same as the OD at the appropriate place half way between the end of the forestock and the end of the barrel.


From a centre punch and pilot drill hole I marked the desired outline of a circle and bored the required hole in the barrel to take the cut down stud.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249889 - 03/07/14 12:48 PM

I wanted to have a more oval than round outline so ground the side back till it looked about right



And started the process of rounding off the edges



Still some tidying to do but at least I know it will work.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249895 - 03/07/14 01:43 PM

von Gruff you have done a beautiful job so far. I myself get the grestest of pleasure hunting eith a rifle that i have built myself .In America ,German immigrant gunsmiths built the Pennsylvania long rifles during the Revolutionary days ;a rifle especially made for America.Everytime i start on a new rifle building venture i think of these craftsman who helped build the tools to defend our nation . Another benefit of building your own rifle is the development of patience; a skill most usefull in the hunting fields.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #249897 - 03/07/14 03:30 PM

So quick too!

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: tinker]
      #249950 - 04/07/14 11:56 PM

Outstanding work!

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Nailcreek]
      #250043 - 06/07/14 10:02 AM

Into the start of the finishing process.
Taking it from the finish if the whiskering process, I flooded the surface twice for an hour at a time with 50/50 vege turps/ tung oil, wet sanded it three times with 600 grit to fill the pores. The first two times there is a hand wiped surface left (wiped against the grain) and the third time it is hard rubbed with cloth. Making sure it is dry between these operations. Next was the first hand rubbed coat of about 25-30% veg turps to cut the tung oil and just dipping the pad of one finger tip into this is enough to wipe on and rub into one side of the butt stock so you can see that it really is a case of many very thin coats to build the finish. Rubbed in this way till the wood is warmed by the hand there is just the very minor wet appearance to the wood. Hang it and do this once a day. Have 3 coats on and will do this daily for the next aprox 20 days.



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #250184 - 08/07/14 03:37 PM

Have got a few more things sorted today with work on the aperture sight, the front sight and the fifth coat of oil rubbed in.

I had been putting of going back to the aperture sight as I knew I was in for some work with the dremmel and needle files to get the aperture plate bedded into the aperture arm. I had used a little machine screw and nut to hold the two together but this made a protrusion underneath and had it sitting higher than I wanted, and of course would necessitate height on the front sight over what I wanted to have.
I filed from full thickness to about .01 at the end on the aperture plate and then scribed around it and sunk it into the underside of the aperture arm then filed most of the head off the machine screw, used it and riveted the underneath side to give me the smoothest line I could get. Then with just a little sanding on the dustcover attachment lug I was able to get the aperture arm to clear the bolt when it was sitting in its lowest position, actually sitting on the screws that hold it to the wrist of the rifle.


I got in touch with Scott from http://www.customscrewsandmore.com/Page4.html and he is making me a set of wrist screws that have a lever head with a thumb grip so that I can undo them a half turn and lift the sight to the top of its slide for bolt removal and because I will shoot "the load" in to where the slide is down on the top of the slide adjustment, it will be a simple matter to re-set it for my desired 150 yd zero.
It was going to need a taller front sight and I wanted one with a flat topped blade which I find the best for the aperture sight. The existing front sight was a inverted V so I filed it off and cut a groove into the ramp with hack saw and filed it to fit the new blade I made. It was a tap in fit but there is room to either pin it or for the GS to do a micro weld at the front, however even without this it was a tight fit. I am going to shorten the barrel by 3/4 inch to clean up the muzzle from pull throughs etc and this will still leave about 5/8 in in front of the sight ramp to the muzzle so will look right.






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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #250185 - 08/07/14 03:44 PM

Also worked on the barrel mounted sling eye

Hard to get a decent pic with just the cell phone but enough to give an idea of how it will look. The barrel steel was .125 thick and I have dressed it down to .05 round the edges.





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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #250214 - 09/07/14 09:07 AM

Well done indeed Mr Gruff!

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      #250927 - 23/07/14 09:22 AM

I decided that after the 18th rubbing of oil into the stock it was starting to look about done and while it is still in the soft stage and will tae a week or two to harden up I couldn't resist assembling it this morning and thought to post a couple of pics. I am still waiting for the lever headed screws (they are in the mail and should be in in about a week-ten days) from Scott at http://www.customscrewsandmore.com/Page4.html who has been a real gent to deal with.
Then I will have to get the Lee speed done for Euan and we will get them blued at the same time as the barrel mounted sling eye is fixed in place.. Anyway this is it in the horrible light of winter this morning.







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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #250929 - 23/07/14 09:39 AM

Looking good. Lines of the stock are just how I like them.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Claydog]
      #251115 - 27/07/14 01:28 PM

Just been out and fired the first shots though my rifle and while it was only fireforming loads with the 316-299 over 13.5gn Green Dot (roughly 1400fps) and shot at 35yds as I didn't know how the aperture and new front sight I made was going to calibrate but this is a 10 shot group from standing with the bog-pod. With a quick calculation shows I can get by with a .006 shim between the sight arm and the rifle wrist. I little touch with a file will lift it but I will wait till I get the new mould and a decent bullet and settle on a hunting load till I finalise that. Very happy so far and this is with a bullet that has no nose support - 304 nose in 306 bore.


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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #251344 - 31/07/14 02:14 PM

I have been working on a second Lee Speed the last few days. Euan got in a 90% inlet and shaped stock for one he wanted to use as a rough hunting rifle and keep his genuine BSA Lee Speed for less strenuous affairs.

90% inlet is a bit of a misnomer as it still took about 15 hrs to get it all into the wood. but having Euans genuine article in hand was a good thing and a bad thing as he wanted both his rifles to "feel" the same in hand. Now I have to say that mine felt good and reasonable slim but after having Euans BSA to compare it to I had to take to the forestock and wrist area with a file and will have to refinish it again.

Yhis is the genuine BSA at top, the 20 in barrelled hunter centre and my effort at the bottom. One thing I had to do with Euans was to change the angle of the butt plate to an agnle which is more suited to his style of shooting. I am quite happy with the angle I have on mine as I am more inclined to stand upright where Euan leans into his shot. Only a few degrees but it does make a difference. I get flat butt against my shoulder with mine while I get more toe with his.





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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #251422 - 02/08/14 12:27 AM

Great work!

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Nailcreek]
      #251623 - 06/08/14 08:15 PM

Gary, Fantastic, Wonderful job.
I was going to say that the wrist area and forestock are much slimmer than you think on a Lee SPeed, but I see you had a real one to work from in the end. Congratulations.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #251685 - 07/08/14 11:10 AM

So are you ready to do your Springfield yet?

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #251767 - 08/08/14 12:03 PM

Got the first wet grain raising from 240 grit paper on Euan's Lee Speed today. A couple more raisings with 360 and I can start to finish it. Certainly showing promise of some very good colour.





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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #251924 - 11/08/14 12:00 PM

Von ... are you making the wood or are you getting it from Gordon? Really nice work!

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Nailcreek]
      #251927 - 11/08/14 01:31 PM

The second one is from Gordon but the first one I did from a blank. The lee enfield is about the most challenging stock I have done so far and makes Mausers, Martini's and Remingtons (and a few others), seem quite simple in comparison.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252217 - 16/08/14 08:55 AM

This is Euans stock hanging waiting for an oil coat to dry



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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252320 - 18/08/14 07:16 PM

That Mr Gruff, is sure looking good.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Euan]
      #252367 - 19/08/14 05:36 PM

Hello Euan and Co

I think its looking pretty good too, so much so that I bags Mr Gruff next to do a stock for one of my rifles, methinks maybe for a Sako 222.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Tentman]
      #252374 - 19/08/14 06:53 PM

Just having a play with some alkanet root at the moment so hope to be able to get the red background of the earlier English stocks. Had a teardown of my 7x57 after handling the slimness of the Lee Speeds and your mausers so will give it a try soon.






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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252408 - 20/08/14 12:39 PM

A treatise indeed,Von G.
Euan, you're a lucky bloke...

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252423 - 20/08/14 06:42 PM

Well Mr Gruff, The thought crossed my mind a week or two back,I wonder if mr G will have another go on his 7x57. I see you have. I bet it comes out a treat mr G.
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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: eljefedouble]
      #252424 - 20/08/14 06:54 PM

That I know eljefe.
I have had a lee speed on my mind for a long time. When I was 17 years young i had the chance to shoot a lovely wee lee speed carbine. I took the chance and shot it. I shot 3 deer with it and have wanted to own one ever since. It has taken a long time to finally get around to getting the carbine done. am very happy with how it has come along. Mr Gruff has a great eye for these classic rifles.
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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Euan]
      #252597 - 24/08/14 02:08 PM

It is time to call these two rifles done. I have been out playng with mine this morning but am only fireforming brass till our WDIL group buy mould gets here soI can do any load development. Euan will pick his up next weekend when the oil has hardened off a little although it really needs a month or two to really come good. That is why the modern finishes are preferred by most as they are a quick turn around item.








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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252598 - 24/08/14 02:11 PM

The two different sighting systems








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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252600 - 24/08/14 04:12 PM

Very good looking rifles. Do they have any kind of checkerings ?

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Igorrock]
      #252612 - 25/08/14 10:35 AM

No, checkering is something I haven't tried as yet.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #252620 - 25/08/14 02:51 PM

Quote:

No, checkering is something I haven't tried as yet.


Seems that you now have a good reason to try...

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #255669 - 24/10/14 03:56 PM

Nice work!!

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #256663 - 13/11/14 10:16 AM

With respect to the inference that set was roughly machined, I am at a complete, profound and utter loss. Have you blokes compared these to other sets of any style that are/were on the market?

The last one of these I fitted up took me a little over 5 hrs and was machined very slightly tighter than the set you worked. I am certainly not the quickest around. That time also included a bit of outside work matching the outside to the socket. Some go easier than others. The first one I did took me longer, naturally.

Tolerances of outside dimensions on actions and barrels vary quite a bit (in stock making terms). The sets are machined so that metalwork at the minimum end of the scale of things will likely still be able to be fitted with no gaps - or at least a minimum. I have nil interest in turning out "easy fit" sets because when folk see the result, it is the bloke who machined the set who cops the "tut tut tut's".

A good stockmaker will take the excess wood out with a minimum of fuss. There are a few tricks to inletting these, and the first few will take a fair bit longer than the job would take an experienced stocker. There is no substitute for patience and time stocking these things, they are one of the more time consuming magazine rifles. Unless by pure arse, if they were skinned out much further I'd have some folk whingeing about gaps.

The forend from memory is a copy of a genuine sporter owner by engraver Ron Croxon, cut a little shorter. It had a slightly longer and fuller forend, but was the most evenly profiled forend of the handful I have. I do have the shorter pattern forends. I especially like to machine the barrel channels a little tight because the axis of the action threads on these actions points all over the show, giving the impression the forend has warped. Too, not many of these barrels are actually straight. I also take into account that the profiles vary somewhat. A little extra wood is a good idea both on the inside and out.

I really think for a decent stocker, fitting these sets is a doddle. Compared to making the stock from the blank they are a joy to fit. Or at least should be.

All things considered I think it best for me to withdraw these sets from general sale, and supply them only to folk I know are accomplished, and avoid potential hassles.

Euan, if you are not happy, please email me and we will sort it out, no fuss from my end.


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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: Juglansregia]
      #256664 - 13/11/14 10:46 AM

Now that is an assumption that is a bit negative. I never said the set was roughly machined and if you read through carefully you will see that I am only a rank amature so that is where the extra time came into this project. There was never an implied or an intended criticism of your stock set and I am a bit puzzled that you would take the tone you have.

Obviously, from your comments, I am not a decent stocker so I apologise for any depreciative intent you have taken from anything I have said. I guess I should not post anything else I muddle my way through to save the sensativities of the experts.

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Re: BSA 1900 No 1 Sporter q's [Re: VonGruff]
      #256668 - 13/11/14 01:41 PM

Respectfully, I considered your statement to the effect of the set being 90% machined as being a "misnomer", and given the literal meaning of the word I think I have very fair grounds for my reaction. I considered those few words very carefully, and I tried hard to make no hasty assumptions. My interpretation of those words and what seemed to be the context of their use, was that you were not happy with the quality of the machining job, because they took you so long to fit - and therefore that my work was responsible for that. Those words made me feel as though you thought the set had been mis-represented, which I do take personally. Hence my use of the term "rough" machining as by labelling it a misnomer, you clearly didn't think the job a clean one.

I have no problems with you stating your viewpoint, or posting it. My other comments were made to state my viewpoint, and to attempt to qualify it. Perhaps you could qualify your opinion about the inletting/machining "misnomer" - as it is the sole basis for my original post?

I had and have no wish to make a direct, or subversive, attempt at denigration of the quality of your own work - but rather make statements based on my own experiences. I would not ever have the desire to spoil someones enjoyment of this work. However in reflection I can see how you may have taken my comments personally, especially considering "assumptions and sensibilities". My use of the term "decent stocker" was admittedly not the best choice of words, and would have been much better written as "professional stocker" or "accomplished stocker" to best put my words into perspective and avoid unintentional offense. Other than that I think the statement is a fair point, made in a democratic forum.

My only intention was to state my objection about the "misnomer", which remains, as does my explanation of it. Perhaps my willingness to state things from my perspective could be regarded as a positive rather than a negative? There are two sides to a coin.


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