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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: granhaven]
      #191314 - 05/10/11 02:56 AM

Good Work!

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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: DarylS]
      #191321 - 05/10/11 03:49 AM

Beautiful animal and very interesting account!

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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: 9.3x57]
      #191322 - 05/10/11 03:54 AM

By all means great old stag - Weidmannsheil!

How long was the shot? Did stag went far after shot? What bullets did you use and how did it/they performed?


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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: granhaven]
      #191327 - 05/10/11 06:37 AM

granhaven,

Even as a "Select" animal he is still very nice. Congratulations!

It's nice to see you using your "bockbuchsflinte" ?/7X65R, it obviously works well.

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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: Buchsemann]
      #191335 - 05/10/11 09:34 AM

Yes- that is a nice calibre and from what I can see, a nice rifle. My own experience with the 7x65R is simply to assist a friend with his loads. A very nice round in break-open guns - his was a Drilling - VERY accurate - 3 shot cloverleafs literally every time, resulted when the rifle was shot slowly. I was impressed. Shot quickly, it still shot into an inch for 3.

In a single shot, or over/under, it would be quite special!

I don't particularly like Drillings- but I sure like that round - virtually a rimmed .280 Rem, performance wise.

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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: DarylS]
      #191345 - 05/10/11 12:34 PM

Weidmannsheil on a fine stag!

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #191444 - 07/10/11 04:50 PM

Quote:

Dog tired - 3hrs old - loong story behind it...will try to summerise it later...aaah:








Congratulations Mate.

You must be proud.

Is the story on another post, I will have a look. Otherwise please share.

Well done again.

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: granhaven]
      #191445 - 07/10/11 05:02 PM

Granhaven

Well done on another stag and a good heart shot. As always they often run with such a shot.

Thanks for posting the short hunting story.

I must say, to hunt an area of Poland for twenty years (NE Poland), obviously spending a fair amount of time there each year, but live in Denmark represents quite a commitment. Especially in terms of how Europeans measure distances. (ie unlike in Australia, where we routinely need to travel a long way for deer hunting opportunities).

I had a look at your online photo album too. So you fitted the stag in the back of your 4WD, except one antler, maybe.

A couple of nice pigs.

Like your dog Akon too.

Congratulations.

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: NitroX]
      #191448 - 07/10/11 06:36 PM

John here is my story:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=190296&an=0&page=0#Post190296

Granhaven thanks for reply (included in your originaly post now). Looking at other pics on your site - you should put up this one (realy shows the size of the trophy) + there is a thing I'd like to point out to you guys that you may find interesting - about another "Old Germanic Way" - when graloching, hunter never rolls up his sleeves - only butchers do that, hunters never! Congrats - well done:



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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #191469 - 08/10/11 06:27 AM

"- about another "Old Germanic Way" - when graloching, hunter never rolls up his sleeves - only butchers do that, hunters never!"

Itīs the same in Sweden. But most people have a problem with this. Or donīt do it on their own. When we had to take down the Moose population in the 1975-1985, my father was responsible for that for a big Swedish forest company. They shot 40-50 Mooses during a day hunt. In the beginning when I wasnīt allowed to hunt, I was learned to go after the hunters and take out the stomach. When you have done that for some time, you donīt have to take up your sleeves. A good school . /Staffan


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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #191517 - 09/10/11 09:33 PM

Regarding European versus "other" hunting traditions

I was brought up in a familly where hunting and fishing was the most important part of our social life. Both my father, who passed away somé years back, and my mother who is still hunting and at the age of 75 just got a new Labrador to work with, represents centuries of hunting traditions.

Becomming a hunter is not some thing that is possible in one generation, it will take a lifetime to get aquainted with the secrets. The fundamental respect of the animal when taking a life is perhaps the most important aspect of our European Hunting tradition.

There are thusands of little things like "not rolling up your sleeves" that really has no practical meaning but will tell who is a "Hunter" and who is merely hunting.



Taking care of the meat after making the kill, is for me the only valid excuse for taking that life. I dont smoke tobacco, but I sometimes whish I did. I remember my father when landing a nice trout or shooting a high pigeon from a hide would allways find a cigarette and burn a little tobacco to celebrate the moment. Taking the moment and bend your head in respect of the life you have taken before moving on.
When looking at pictures from africa or America I often see very proud Hunters witha big smile posing with their guns and some dead animal, but I rarely see a Hunter showing respect ot the life he has just taken.



On the picture, that was taken with my cell phone just a few minutes after I found him, you will notice that I have taken my hat off and kneel behind the stag. The look on my face is not with a big smile but the satisfaction of a dream fulfilled mixed with the sadness of taking the life of a truly magnificant animal.


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Re: Red deer thread [Re: granhaven]
      #196479 - 12/12/11 06:24 AM



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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #196480 - 12/12/11 06:42 AM

VERY nice, thank you, 93 mouse. The Red Deer Stag's antlers with crowns are very similar to our Rousevelt Elk's antlers. Not sure on the spelling on that.

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: DarylS]
      #196493 - 12/12/11 11:49 AM

granhaven A very good tale of your hunt and respect for your stag.

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: granhaven]
      #196500 - 12/12/11 04:31 PM

Quote:

Regarding European versus "other" hunting traditions

I was brought up in a family where hunting and fishing was the most important part of our social life. Both my father, who passed away some years back, and my mother who is still hunting and at the age of 75 just got a new Labrador to work with, represents centuries of hunting traditions.

Becoming a hunter is not some thing that is possible in one generation, it will take a lifetime to get acquainted with the secrets. The fundamental respect of the animal when taking a life is perhaps the most important aspect of our European Hunting tradition.

There are thousands of little things like "not rolling up your sleeves" that really has no practical meaning but will tell who is a "Hunter" and who is merely hunting.

Taking care of the meat after making the kill, is for me the only valid excuse for taking that life. I don't smoke tobacco, but I sometimes wish I did. I remember my father when landing a nice trout or shooting a high pigeon from a hide would always find a cigarette and burn a little tobacco to celebrate the moment. Taking the moment and bend your head in respect of the life you have taken before moving on.

When looking at pictures from Africa or America I often see very proud Hunters with a big smile posing with their guns and some dead animal, but I rarely see a Hunter showing respect of the life he has just taken.

On the picture, that was taken with my cell phone just a few minutes after I found him, you will notice that I have taken my hat off and kneel behind the stag. The look on my face is not with a big smile but the satisfaction of a dream fulfilled mixed with the sadness of taking the life of a truly magnificent animal.




Granhaven

Thanks for posting that. It is very interesting.

While of course there is vast differences in traditions between different countries and cultures, I do like the attitude of respect and tradition displayed in your post.

For myself, while my Grandfather, G-Grandfather, G-G-Grandfather etc were all hunters, my father was not. Probably more out of being always left home to work while his father and brother went off to the hunts. So the hunting missed a generation. I on the other hand have the gene very much and basically taught myself to hunt and shoot alone. My personal attitudes of respect and beliefs in sporting behaviour when hunting come either from myself or from reading various writers including guys like Murray Mitchell. A great hunting elder.

In Australia there is a lot more "solo" hunting as well, and less group hunting. By solo I mean either by oneself, or in small groups of friends and usually similar ages.

Group hunting traditions do exist for example in the sambar hound hunting teams in Victoria, guys that duck shoot together every opening day each year, and similar groups.

But the strong syndicates, drive hunting, etc of Europe does not really exist here. So the Junior to Elder interaction does not exist as much.

Some of the European traditions personally I see as not necessary, eg rolling up sleeves . Might be OK in Europe, but we have flies here, and blood on the sleeves will bring the flies and mosquitoes in. Also we might already have our sleeves rolled up, for God forbid being wearing short sleeves! Because it might be warm here. Just some humour.

The idea of respect for the game, of using the meat is important I believe. While in Australia we often waste the meat, the game being feral often plentiful, or other reasons it being not utilised, it is often too simply laziness why meat is left behind. Gryphon and myself were just commenting on how one "internet hunter" held a rabbit in a rare photo last night. He held it by his finger tips as if in distaste.

I think the internet is VERY good for hunters in that it makes it easy for us to communicate and correspond even across continents. Make new friends, hunt with each other. Meet people of like mind. A great information resource.

But it is also true the internet is a very BAD thing often for the teaching of the young and newbie hunters. It is easy for the pseudo and keyboard hunters to pretend to be other than they are. And they almost always have a lack of respect for the game and hunting. "Deer is just another pest animal. Just shoot it and leave it rot, like a pig or goat or whatever. Who gives a ffff" is a typical like comment.

Funny thing they never are able to post any photos of what they have hunted.

Another regular comment is "its no one else's business, let every person do what they want, its up to them".

Often said in defence of unsporting practices. Often said by those wanting to make money from unsporting safaris and hunts. The above is called "putting the blinkers on" and don't see what you don't want to see.

NitroExpress.com will always TRY to be a good example and be a resource for teaching newbies, young hunters and experienced guys alike the right way to do things, respect for the game, sporting attitudes, or just new ideas, cultures and traditions to learn from.

Anyway, Granhaven, thanks for your comments. As you say, it takes generations to make a hunter, or at least the traditions of hunting.


NOTE: I'm going to start a new thread, probably cut and paste some or all of the stuff on here. It would be nice to hear from others on what traditions and cultural aspects they have in their hunting lives, and what they like and perhaps dislike too.

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: NitroX]
      #199322 - 13/01/12 08:03 AM

Thats it for this season - farewell to the arms and reds - till next time...





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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #200808 - 28/01/12 02:55 AM

As part of our managing our hunting area we have to shoot a number of hinds and calfs each year. This is planned anually with the local forrest administration and represents a political compromise regarding the estimated number of deer in the forest and the damages they cause to the forrest and the arrable areas in the area. I usually spend the two weeks up to the closing of the season for Hinds on 15'th of january in the forrest. I find that this is a combination of the facination of hunting and hard work, sometimes verry rewarding when the weather is beautifull and the winter colors are showing off.
This calf was shoot with my Gebr. merkel BBF 213 16/70, 7x65R. I have taken the meat and together with the boar I also shot a few days later, this will bring us thru the winter.





darz bor,

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: granhaven]
      #201295 - 31/01/12 11:58 PM



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Re: Red deer thread [Re: NitroX]
      #226781 - 11/03/13 08:28 AM

...a true story from the Tyrolean Alps

http://vimeo.com/61406123


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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #255179 - 14/10/14 10:31 PM

Yet another "slect" Stag from Poland.

The reed deer rut has been incredible, I have seen stags every day for two weeks, but only one or two that were of age and "legal" according to our selection criteria in Poland.

I used my Merkel 223e in .375 Flanged with Hornady 270 grains RN.




The bullet on the neck brought him don, but not for good, so I had to use the second barrel to make things quiet. The conditions were rather difficult as the vegetation is very dense in this area, so I climbed a tree and shoot him from there. Shooting a .375 hanging on a thin branch 4 or 5 meters above the ground is not really advisable but who cares when the rut is going...

regarding the "selection" criterias, you may notice that the right antler only has a fork and no crown, which in his age group classifies as a shooter. Regardless of that, he was a magnificent animal.

regards, Granhaven



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Re: Red deer thread [Re: granhaven]
      #255814 - 27/10/14 10:33 PM

Well done Granhaven.

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Re: Red deer thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #255835 - 28/10/14 01:40 AM

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...a true story from the Tyrolean Alps

http://vimeo.com/61406123




An enjoyable video to watch. Thanks for posting.

Interesting to see the bullet flight and impact in the film. Some of the film sequences are obviously recreations, eg the close up bullet impact and exit, but illustrative.

I see some of the comments wanting a "less graphic" video. Nothing in this video is graphic. Just real life hunting. Hunting involves a kill and the animal died quickly too.

The description says the fourteen year old stag was wounded perhaps from fighting with another stag. A good result. An animal soon to die at the end of its life, harvested and utilised.

The only thing I would like to see at the end, which might upset some, would be the gutting of the deer, butchering and the fact it is utilised for meat. Same as any cut from the supermarket.



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Edited by NitroX (28/10/14 02:12 AM)


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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: granhaven]
      #265746 - 31/05/15 06:27 PM

Hi red deer hunters

Every September we try to shoot some red stags shot in our areas. Sometimes our work is not in vain...

Here are some pics :











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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: granhaven]
      #265757 - 01/06/15 03:39 AM

Hi red deer hunters!!! Congratulation for the nice pics & trophies.

Every year we try to shoot some stags. The best period Romania is at the end of September - first 6 days of October...then slowly the stags can't be found....

Some times our work is not in vain :











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Re: Stag from Poland, Age 9/10 Weight 182 kilo [Re: Carpathianhunting]
      #270590 - 16/09/15 08:46 PM

Yesterday at 7 PM - I left the stag in the morning and returned in the afternoon - eventualy it came out of the thicket roaring - shot at 30m quartering - cut the veins above the heart with 9,3x62 - it went 25m and was down for good...



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