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Paatti
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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #191753 - 13/10/11 05:11 PM

Waidmannsheil! That's some good eating.
Interesting bullet.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: NitroX]
      #210364 - 07/06/12 09:39 PM

(Allso posted in the Double rifles forum)
Yesterday I had the luck to shoot a nice Roe Buck with my Gebr. merkel 375 H&H Flanged, loaded with W. Romey and 300 grains Woodleigh RN.

The distance was app 35 meters and the bullet entered tru the left front and exited at the last rib on the other side. The exit hole was app 4-5 centimeters

I admit that I was heavily over armed for our small deer and the summer hunt. It would be perfectly acceptable to use a .222 with a 50 grains bullet. However this was my first outing with the Merkel and I just couldent resist the temptation to try it out.
As allways I harly noticed the shot, just focused on the buck just a few meters away. The Buck ran just 15 or 20 meters and was dead. There were a lot of lung fragments in the blood so I knew that it would be lying close to the spot.

The summer here is extreemly dry, so walking is difficult with all dry leaves and small branches making a lot of noise, but I found the roebuck sleeping and saw it at maybe 10 meters , but couldent shoot , the Buck noticed something was wrong, and started of but unsure of what had disturbed him, he turned back to see me at maybe 35 meters distance, I knew that would be the only chance so the shot fell in this very moment.

The bullet performed as could be expected, maybe 1/3 of the heart is missing, and the exit hole is acceptable. So now we will dream about something black and bigger.









Darz bor, Peter Frost Hørlyck


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #210373 - 07/06/12 11:34 PM

Jealous... Still 2 more months before we can start hunting roe deer bucks up here.. 2 LOOOONG months. .

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: bakposten]
      #210379 - 08/06/12 01:34 AM

granhaven,

Waidmannsheil!

Nice gun and nice shot.

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Buchsemann]
      #210389 - 08/06/12 04:18 AM

From Docholiday another superb pic,this time of a neat roebuck he has grassed in the UK.
Thanks Doc.




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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: gryphon]
      #210399 - 08/06/12 05:23 AM

Two nice bucks!!! It´s great to hunt roebuck in the spring.

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Sville]
      #210405 - 08/06/12 06:18 AM

Fantastic! Well-done!

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Ben]
      #210423 - 08/06/12 07:51 AM

... and another great picture!

Thank you for sharing,

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Buchsemann]
      #210943 - 16/06/12 03:06 AM

This year I did stalking only on my own hunting territory. We dont have many roe deers yet so I want to save territorial bucks and shoot only yearlings. Of course I only saw good old bucks and does in range. Here is one of the does. Yes it is a doe even though it has small antlers.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Paatti]
      #211133 - 19/06/12 07:36 AM

Quote:

This year I did stalking only on my own hunting territory. We dont have many roe deers yet so I want to save territorial bucks and shoot only yearlings. Of course I only saw good old bucks and does in range. Here is one of the does. Yes it is a doe even though it has small antlers.





If the objective is to have more Roe deers, that would be the wrong strategy. Generally the territorial bucks will not tolerate the younger bucks and runn them off your hunting area.

All roe deer are teritorial during the summer period from May to late august beginning of september, the older animals have bigger territories, the younger have smaller territories where they do not tolerate other roe deer.

I hunt a lot in both Denmark and Poland where there are quite oppsite strategies for managing the Roe deer population, in Denmark there is absolutely no rules and on avrage we shoot 1 roe deer / 10 Ha of land per year. in Poland where we have veeeeeery strict control of the age classes of the Bucks we shoot app 1 Roe deer / 100 Ha.

If the objective is to have more deer it is a better strategy to shoot the older bucks and have a relatively young population with smaller teritories. During the autum hunt, newer shoot females, just shoot one of the usual two kids.
If the roe does not have two kids on average, that could be an indicator on overpopulation. A similar indicator is the weight in December,it should be at least 13 kilos "on the hook"

Go hard on the foxes and other "predators", they are expensive during the first weeks of may. look at the vegetation in the hard months, april, beginning of may. If you start to see that the buds on most small trees are eaten, you should increase the number shoot.

Judging the number of deer in an area is simply impossible based on observations, Roe deer is invisible for long periods of the year. In the summer they sometimes do not move more than 20 meters per day. they eat, sleep, eat some more in virtually the same spot.

I live in the middle of the forest, observe the roe deer every day. I eat them with great pleasure and the summer hunt from mid May to mid july, in a period otherwise poor in hunting, keeps me alive till the autom hunt for Red Deer starts in September.

Peter


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: granhaven]
      #211172 - 20/06/12 12:39 AM

Our roe deer population is somewhere between 3 to 5 animals/1000ha in my hunting area. Of course in the summertime it is very difficult to estimate population but during snowtime its much easier even though roe deers doesnt move on large area.
Whole roe deer hunting and managing culture is quite new in Finland. Official recommendation is to save most of the good bucks but dont know which is the best.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Paatti]
      #213574 - 28/07/12 05:37 PM

Yesterday - came to call - 2 elderly...



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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #213607 - 29/07/12 04:27 AM

Waidmannsheil! I'll have to wait one more week, then its time to flight to Germany after roe deers and boars.

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Paatti]
      #214802 - 17/08/12 01:45 AM

My first fieped roebuck


Some of the bucks we managed to bagged during last week with friends.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Paatti]
      #214807 - 17/08/12 02:20 AM

Well done Paatti.

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: NitroX]
      #214855 - 18/08/12 12:36 AM

Roebuck season starts on the 16 of august in Sweden. Evening of 15 I took these pics of a nice young buck 300 m from our house. Next morning I saw him on the field 50-60 m from my bedroom window when I went up early to go out. I didn´t want to shoot him from the house. Maybe I can get him in next coming days??? //Staffan



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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Sville]
      #214896 - 18/08/12 04:46 PM

How do you say 'wunderbar' in Swedish?

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: NitroX]
      #214899 - 18/08/12 04:54 PM

...underbar....

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Sville]
      #214901 - 18/08/12 05:06 PM

Härligt! Really nice roebuck.

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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Paatti]
      #217071 - 22/09/12 01:42 AM

I have been out several times after this special roe doe and was finally lucky enough to bag it.



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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #217186 - 25/09/12 11:19 AM

93Mouse,
Beautiful photos! Tell us about the Brno ZH double rifle in 7.62x54 Russian. What sort of accuracy do you achieve with the rifle? Any information you can give will be welcome.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #217189 - 25/09/12 04:31 PM

Eish Sahib - that is a long and interesting one - Mods this doeasn't fit under Roe bucks so move it to more appropriate place if needed.

Anyway - I have sold that double years ago - it was converted from 7x57R/16 combo. 16 ga barrel /lower one) was blown up due to soil plug - I was solving a close fight between a terrier and a badger (holding a dog with one hand and unintentionaly leant on a rifle.

Upper barrel original CZ (Poldi special steel) in 7x57R - additional (lower barrel) Ferlach (Bohler rasant) in 7,62 Russ, stock was right handed with fancy cheek but utterly unpleasant for lefty, so it (the cheek) was later grinded off, there was a Schmidt & Bender 4x36 mounted with Suhler einhack mount. The rifle was never meant for shots over 150 m - mainly used for tracking and driven hunts, so at the end the first trigger (upper barrel) was cut off and it became ST (first pull lower barrel, second pull upper one).

Why 7,62 Russ - After Balkan war moved down to the south back in nineties, there were zillions ammo left behind and I found it would be a pure waste if I don't find any use of them. Amongst others 7,62x54R came to front. Tho right from the beginning problems arise. Bullets were military ball type and as such not quite felicitous for hunting use. So I have drilled the bullets made them HP - also glued pellets on the tips on some. They worked like a charm on all hoofed animals encountered here in EU. They made good exits on all game- with app. 1 inch dia.

Accuracy - If memory serves me well it was app 2 inch at 100 m (7,62 Russ with 150 and 170 gr and 7x57R combined) - tho nowadays Norma and Lapua offer good factory ammo.

Ammo used - from left to right:

1. PPU (Prvi partizan) - military - brass 170 gr copper bullet FMJ - drilled with glued pellet insert - HP
2. Russian military steel copper plated case 150 gr steel coppered FMJ bullet drilled - HP
3. Russian military 150 gr tracer bullet
4. for comparison 7x57R






Next one was tougher. Since this caliber was made for Russian machine guns, there were those nasty thick corrosive primers. Due to the thickness of the primers there was occasional hang fire because the firing pin on a double just couldn't break it. So I planed the primers on the lathe a bit and it worked without any problems since (still had to clean the barrel for a week or so after every shot tho.
Primers - Left original one, right one »worked on«



However there was more to it (as usual) - since primers were planed they were further away from a firing pin's reach so the pin had to be custom made (longer) so it jutted out a bit - meaning that when using normal ammo the pin was slightly pushing against primer (there were visible scratches on the normal primers) + since primers were worked out with certain accuracy there were unavoidable differences and in two occasions the primers were thinned bit too much so the pin pierced them through (when shot of course) and on one of those occasions (when the rifle was opened) the pin broke.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: 93mouse]
      #217201 - 25/09/12 10:21 PM

93Mouse,
Very interesting story. As it happens, I have a ZH204 (7x57R/12 ga) which I use like a double rifle. Brenneke slugs and 139 gr. handloads shoot to the same point out to 150 yards or so. I also have a BRNO 7x57R/7x57R double rifle. So far, I haven't been successful in getting the barrels to shoot to the same point of aim. I had decided to sell the rifle, but perhaps I should reconsider....

Anyway, your photos show a country that reminds me very much of my home area in Western North Carolina. Substitute white-tails for roe deer and you couldn't tell the difference.


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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #219126 - 06/11/12 07:19 AM

I was out stalking couple of days ago and find out that there was small group of roedeers on unharvested wheatfield. Doing all the tricks I can and managed to stalk in to 45 meters and shoot this buck. Biggest one so far for me. It was third time when I have opportunity to shoot this one and I couldnt hold myself anymore.



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Re: The Roe Deer Thread [Re: Paatti]
      #219172 - 07/11/12 12:45 AM

Patti, never give them more than three chances.....

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