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Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere....
      #345751 - 13/10/20 12:47 AM

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345752 - 13/10/20 03:31 AM

Yep. A very good round indeed, for self defense purposes. Mine did a good job on 2 fairly large black bears. One would have been well over the 300 lbs. The other would have been close to that. They were both fall boars. (Boars shot in the fall)

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: DarylS]
      #345755 - 13/10/20 07:57 AM

I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: tinker]
      #345758 - 13/10/20 12:11 PM

The 45acp is a lot like the 45/70. Some one is always preaching glum and doom but it will never recede into history.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: tinker]
      #345766 - 13/10/20 01:18 PM

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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345772 - 13/10/20 05:48 PM

I would own a .45 ACP 1911 in a flash.

And if I was a crim would own several! I noticed decades ago, a person could buy frames in Victoria and every thing else except for the barrel for a low price. The barrels were registered in Vic. In SA the frame was registered but not the barrel. Put them together and voila!!!

Mr Plod I unfortunately never did it. No need for a raid! And I read bikie gangs were doing it a few years later.

The .45 1911 was reportedly one of the most popular handguns in Australia pre the gun steal off Mark 2 when most handguns greater than .38 and 9 mm were slen off law abiding Aussie shooters because some chink student in Melbourne murdered maybe three persons with a handgun. A massacre!!! The steal off was designed to eliminate as many handguns as possible with calibre restrictions and barrel lengths. A lot of manufacturers thankfully immediately offered slightly longer barrels and foiled the evil dwarfs plans. But not the .45 ACP.

Some target disciplines are permitted larger calibres, such as metal silhouette and even IPSC in some states but not SA.

U would own one without a doubt if not more than one. A true classic and still as relevant today.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: NitroX]
      #345774 - 13/10/20 05:53 PM

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Even groundbreaking cartridges such as the 6.5 Creedmoor have struggled with maintaining relevance. The greatest merit that the 6.5 CM had was that it offered an improvement over .308 Winchester in an identically sized rifle. There are already rounds that exceed the 6.5 CM in many arenas: 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and others like them.




Ha ha ha ha



Especially when far better rounds existed even before it was created!

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: NitroX]
      #345781 - 13/10/20 10:49 PM

A brilliant design of simplicity & functionality.
Hopefully one day I will get to own a 1911, unfortunately it will not be in .45ACP due to our stupid laws!
Yes I'll have to do so many shoots per year to maintain my license, will I be competitive - most probably not, but who cares!
I'll still be have a great old time reloading & shooting!


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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: NitroX]
      #345784 - 14/10/20 01:10 AM

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I would own a .45 ACP 1911 in a flash.

And if I was a crim would own several! I noticed decades ago, a person could buy frames in Victoria and every thing else except for the barrel for a low price. The barrels were registered in Vic. In SA the frame was registered but not the barrel. Put them together and voila!!!

Mr Plod I unfortunately never did it. No need for a raid! And I read bikie gangs were doing it a few years later.

The .45 1911 was reportedly one of the most popular handguns in Australia pre the gun steal off Mark 2 when most handguns greater than .38 and 9 mm were slen off law abiding Aussie shooters because some chink student in Melbourne murdered maybe three persons with a handgun. A massacre!!! The steal off was designed to eliminate as many handguns as possible with calibre restrictions and barrel lengths. A lot of manufacturers thankfully immediately offered slightly longer barrels and foiled the evil dwarfs plans. But not the .45 ACP.

Some target disciplines are permitted larger calibres, such as metal silhouette and even IPSC in some states but not SA.

U would own one without a doubt if not more than one. A true classic and still as relevant today.




I have a older Colt Gold Cup, from back in the early 80's.. stainless, like new in the box .. hidden away.. thinking perhaps I need to break that out and use it.. Who the hell am I saving it for? Not like I am going to sell it..

Have several other models in 45 ACP.. was actually carrying a 4" on me last weekend while riding my horse through the forest looking for stray cattle... Like Daryl states, I am reasonably confident whatever I run into out there the 45 will handle..

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345786 - 14/10/20 02:44 AM

The 1911 is my favorite and I've owned a number of handguns over the years. I have 5 if I remember correctly. a 45 super, 2 45ACP's, a 40 S&W and a 9mm./22TCM. The super pushes a 180gr Truncated cone at 1100 fps from a 4" barrel. I'm very confident it will be effective in the field.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: aromakr]
      #345788 - 14/10/20 03:24 AM

Is Winchester W630 still available? Perhaps with a Hodgdon designation?
The reason I ask, is this powder used to be listed for the .45 ACP in a 1911 for use with the 260gr. Speer HP. That is the bullet I used on the second bear, a 230 FMJ on the first, same load. Speer listed 11.9gr. of W630 with the 260gr. HP. That is the load I used, "give" or take 1/10th gr.
It chorno'd 960fps in my Wilson 5" bl. & shot into 2" at 50 yards off a rest. It was "lightly" tuned.
Hell of a good load.
I sold it to a fellow employee who "needed" it for her husband for his birthday.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: DarylS]
      #345796 - 14/10/20 12:27 PM

Quote:

Is Winchester W630 still available? Perhaps with a Hodgdon designation?
The reason I ask, is this powder used to be listed for the .45 ACP in a 1911 for use with the 260gr. Speer HP. That is the bullet I used on the second bear, a 230 FMJ on the first, same load. Speer listed 11.9gr. of W630 with the 260gr. HP. That is the load I used, "give" or take 1/10th gr.
It chorno'd 960fps in my Wilson 5" bl. & shot into 2" at 50 yards off a rest. It was "lightly" tuned.
Hell of a good load.
I sold it to a fellow employee who "needed" it for her husband for his birthday.




MY father-in-law loaded up a couple thousand rounds for me last winter.. used 230gr FMJ.. 5.3grs of 231.. CCI primers.. about 825fps... super accurate round in every 45 I shoot them in ..
https://shop.hodgdon.com/winchester/winchester-231

BTW--took a quick run around .. see we currently have 8 in 45acp.. thought we had more.. may have missed one of two laying elsewhere..

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345797 - 14/10/20 01:03 PM

I only have two 1911s. One is an Argentine air force and the other is one I built on a Paraordinance frame when they first came out.

The Paraordinance is an alloy frame with a double stack magazine, 13 in the mag and one in the pipe. The grip on the Paraordinance is only an 1/8" wider than a standard government model.

If I am doing open carry then the Paraordinance is the the one that carry.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Vladymere]
      #345801 - 14/10/20 10:52 PM

Got a 1911 Les Baer back in 2000. After shipping, taxes, duties, and the dreaded brokerage fees coming cross border, the pistol cost more than a good used econo car at the time!

Anyhow, 5000 round thru it and it is as tight as it was the day it was bought. Extremely accurate and as reliable as a quality swiss watch, it keeps running perfectly!!! Not a single FTF or a jam of any kind!!!! I’m still waiting for the day I can call it “broken in”

I use the old standby of 4.8 grains of bullseye under a 200 grain hard cast SWC lead bullet. The powder is a bit dirty, but it doesn’t bother the pistol at all.

Great gun and after going on 20 years, it is a pistol I will NEVER part with!!!!!!

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Postman]
      #345804 - 15/10/20 12:26 AM

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Got a 1911 Les Baer back in 2000. After shipping, taxes, duties, and the dreaded brokerage fees coming cross border, the pistol cost more than a good used econo car at the time!

Anyhow, 5000 round thru it and it is as tight as it was the day it was bought. Extremely accurate and as reliable as a quality swiss watch, it keeps running perfectly!!! Not a single FTF or a jam of any kind!!!! I’m still waiting for the day I can call it “broken in”

I use the old standby of 4.8 grains of bullseye under a 200 grain hard cast SWC lead bullet. The powder is a bit dirty, but it doesn’t bother the pistol at all.

Great gun and after going on 20 years, it is a pistol I will NEVER part with!!!!!!





The Les Baer you have is an incredible handgun. Have had the opportunity to fire one or two through the years... very high quality.. can think of none better... and yes, they are not cheap but worth every penny.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345813 - 15/10/20 02:35 PM

From an historical/heritage arms collector's point of view, the .45 ACP couldn't possibly fade away, due to its indelible mark on world history.

It doesn't hurt that the Colt 1911 Government Model was its primary platform for the Allies through two world wars!

Apart from the 2 Argentinian .45s mentioned in an earlier thread, I have a 1911A1 in my gunsafe that was a Korean War battle-field pick-up by my late good mate Don Davie. He removed it from a dead Chinaman after leading his Section on a bayonet-charge into the enemy trenches at Kapyong on 24 April 1951. He brought back a Military Medal, a US Presidential Distinguished Unit Citation, and the Colt.

How could that ever fade away!


On a more contemporary note, all 3 Colt .45s in my custody seem to like a modest charge of W231 under the 230-grainer. In an attempt to replicate military hard-ball for our collector-club shoots, I have been loading Frontier copper-clad bullets that look like FMJ but were much cheaper to run here in Oz. Unfortunately my stash of both powder and projies is dwindling and future supply is uncertain locally.
Hate the thought of messing with a load that has been functioning perfectly!

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #345823 - 16/10/20 12:41 AM

Quote:

From an historical/heritage arms collector's point of view, the .45 ACP couldn't possibly fade away, due to its indelible mark on world history.

It doesn't hurt that the Colt 1911 Government Model was its primary platform for the Allies through two world wars!

Apart from the 2 Argentinian .45s mentioned in an earlier thread, I have a 1911A1 in my gunsafe that was a Korean War battle-field pick-up by my late good mate Don Davie. He removed it from a dead Chinaman after leading his Section on a bayonet-charge into the enemy trenches at Kapyong on 24 April 1951. He brought back a Military Medal, a US Presidential Distinguished Unit Citation, and the Colt.

How could that ever fade away!


On a more contemporary note, all 3 Colt .45s in my custody seem to like a modest charge of W231 under the 230-grainer. In an attempt to replicate military hard-ball for our collector-club shoots, I have been loading Frontier copper-clad bullets that look like FMJ but were much cheaper to run here in Oz. Unfortunately my stash of both powder and projies is dwindling and future supply is uncertain locally.
Hate the thought of messing with a load that has been functioning perfectly!




That's a great story on finding the 1911A1....sounds like your friend was a remarkable person...

In case you do need to look for another load, I found this on-line to start a few new recipes...231 is still readily available here..

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/reloading-45-acp/361509

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345896 - 18/10/20 12:02 AM

That's a fair list of powder options right there Ripp.

But when my 231 runs out I should probly "buy Australian-made" and move to ADI powder for the .45. Thales have been moving the goal-posts around a bit lately though...
I'm happy with ADI for all my rifle loading BTW, only
use WSF for bismuth shotshells and 231 for .45 and .380.

None of the projectiles illustrated in that article would pass for military ball though!

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #345923 - 18/10/20 05:33 PM

Only have 2 45's One is a 1943 Ithaca 1911A1 I got in a swap session from a WWII vet. The other is a Springfield Armory 1911A1 with all the bells and whistles. Started shooting the Ithaca in steel plate matches as it was the only 45 I had at the time. Then found the Springfield Armory a year or so later. I've shot only hardcast 230 grain round nosed bullets in both. I'll play around with my 9mms. But always come back to the 45's. Frank

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: NitroX]
      #345968 - 19/10/20 10:24 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Even groundbreaking cartridges such as the 6.5 Creedmoor have struggled with maintaining relevance. The greatest merit that the 6.5 CM had was that it offered an improvement over .308 Winchester in an identically sized rifle. There are already rounds that exceed the 6.5 CM in many arenas: 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and others like them.




Ha ha ha ha



Especially when far better rounds existed even before it was created!





I would be a bit circumspect here. The 6.5mm Creedmoor was designed for a specific application: It will function in an AR-10. In that application the question is whether it provides some advantage over the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Win.), when employed in a long range precision semi-automatic sniper rifle (SASS). In tests by the U.S. military the round excelled. It has been adopted by various branches of the U.S. services for the purpose mentioned.

So, yes there are other big bangers in 6.5mm caliber, but those bangers won't work in the AR-10 platform.

One might ridicule the .308 Win. in similar vein. However, that cartridge isn't going away any time soon in favor of the .300 Win. Mag. or other boomers.

I'm not being snide or snippy. I just wanted to point out that the 6.5 Creedmoor was designed for a specific task on a specific military platform. Hornady knew what it was doing and did succeed in the endeavor.





NOW LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THIS THREAD!

Hmmmmm, the classic 1911 design. Do I love it, or do I hate it? You decide:







But wait a minute! So far nobody has even mentioned the Super .38 auto. Now that's a story in itself.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: CptCurl]
      #345974 - 20/10/20 05:25 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Even groundbreaking cartridges such as the 6.5 Creedmoor have struggled with maintaining relevance. The greatest merit that the 6.5 CM had was that it offered an improvement over .308 Winchester in an identically sized rifle. There are already rounds that exceed the 6.5 CM in many arenas: 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and others like them.




Ha ha ha ha



Especially when far better rounds existed even before it was created!





I would be a bit circumspect here. The 6.5mm Creedmoor was designed for a specific application: It will function in an AR-10. In that application the question is whether it provides some advantage over the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Win.), when employed in a long range precision semi-automatic sniper rifle (SASS). In tests by the U.S. military the round excelled. It has been adopted by various branches of the U.S. services for the purpose mentioned.

So, yes there are other big bangers in 6.5mm caliber, but those bangers won't work in the AR-10 platform.

One might ridicule the .308 Win. in similar vein. However, that cartridge isn't going away any time soon in favor of the .300 Win. Mag. or other boomers.

I'm not being snide or snippy. I just wanted to point out that the 6.5 Creedmoor was designed for a specific task on a specific military platform. Hornady knew what it was doing and did succeed in the endeavor.





NOW LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THIS THREAD!

Hmmmmm, the classic 1911 design. Do I love it, or do I hate it? You decide:







But wait a minute! So far nobody has even mentioned the Super .38 auto. Now that's a story in itself.

Curl




THAT IS AWESOME...

I might be going out on a limb here but I guessing you are rather fond of the 1911??

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345980 - 20/10/20 06:44 AM

My favorite .45 bullet;

Lyman 454190 cast of wheelweights and weighing 262 grains. I get 839 fps from it.

The 454190 is the original old semi-pointed Army bullet. Feeds slick thru 1911's and my SIG and penetrates very deeply. Old Elmer had some good things to say about it before he drummed up the Keith type, but only for its penetration.



Here's my test plate for various calibers/ranges. In line w/ other .45's on steel, it doesn't get thru the plate but on "soft" targets; critters, etc, punches very deeply.



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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: CptCurl]
      #345987 - 20/10/20 03:30 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Even groundbreaking cartridges such as the 6.5 Creedmoor have struggled with maintaining relevance. The greatest merit that the 6.5 CM had was that it offered an improvement over .308 Winchester in an identically sized rifle. There are already rounds that exceed the 6.5 CM in many arenas: 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and others like them.




Ha ha ha ha



Especially when far better rounds existed even before it was created!





I would be a bit circumspect here. The 6.5mm Creedmoor was designed for a specific application: It will function in an AR-10. In that application the question is whether it provides some advantage over the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Win.), when employed in a long range precision semi-automatic sniper rifle (SASS). In tests by the U.S. military the round excelled. It has been adopted by various branches of the U.S. services for the purpose mentioned.

So, yes there are other big bangers in 6.5mm caliber, but those bangers won't work in the AR-10 platform.

One might ridicule the .308 Win. in similar vein. However, that cartridge isn't going away any time soon in favor of the .300 Win. Mag. or other boomers.

I'm not being snide or snippy. I just wanted to point out that the 6.5 Creedmoor was designed for a specific task on a specific military platform. Hornady knew what it was doing and did succeed in the endeavor.




Pffffffttt! You need to keep up Curl. The Swede have also have good shooting semi autos in 6.5x55 for decades as well.

And yes I am laughing at this confirmation quotation.


Quote:

Even groundbreaking cartridges such as the 6.5 Creedmoor have struggled with maintaining relevance.








Quote:


NOW LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THIS THREAD!

Hmmmmm, the classic 1911 design. Do I love it, or do I hate it? You decide:







But wait a minute! So far nobody has even mentioned the Super .38 auto. Now that's a story in itself.

Curl




Every Tommygun owner needs at least two .45 1911's in open holsters on his belt!


Ffff it is annoying seeing all of them, I just want ONE .45.

PS One of the guys at my club, had a STI Trojan in 9mm with a beautiful wooden grip and blued steel frame. It is discontinued,. I want ONE!

A .38 Super would be nice as well. For us bigger than .38 deprived Aussies.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #345997 - 20/10/20 08:59 PM

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Quote:

I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+


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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Rule303]
      #346002 - 21/10/20 03:47 AM

My 1911 Colt, purchased in 1981 or 1982, was in .38 Super.
I only ever had 2 boxes of brass for it - hard to find brass,
so I made my own out of .38 Spl. brass of which I had thousands.
Due to the problem of brass, (I hated losing my home made brass) I converted the .39 Super to .45 ACP with a Wilson barrel. I bought spring guides, bushings and links to play with the barrel to slide "fitting".
Got it to 2" at 50 yards off sand bags, shot the bears with it, used it in little 'shoots' I put on for the local RCMP and my riot squad guys who liked to shoot. I then sold it in a weak moment. One of the gals at work wanted it for her husband for Christmas. Story of my life, that happens so often.

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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+




Other than the Glock as to plastics, have you tried the H&K VP9?? I like the grip angle much better.. its still no where near the all time classic 1911.. but better than the Glock, IMHO

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From many years ago!!! Pair of grouse my old Franken1911...Essex frame/Ithaca slide, mostly GI surplus parts.



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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+




Other than the Glock as to plastics, have you tried the H&K VP9?? I like the grip angle much better.. its still no where near the all time classic 1911.. but better than the Glock, IMHO




Ripp, no I have not. I haven't even seen one. Think I'll have to check out some gun stores.


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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+




Other than the Glock as to plastics, have you tried the H&K VP9?? I like the grip angle much better.. its still no where near the all time classic 1911.. but better than the Glock, IMHO




Ripp, no I have not. I haven't even seen one. Think I'll have to check out some gun stores.




Check out the SIG P320, also!



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Now THAT is a good annalogy, lancaster.
Well done.

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Now THAT is a good annalogy, lancaster.
Well done.




IF true, makes me realize why I like HK and Sig so much..

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NOW LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THIS THREAD!

Hmmmmm, the classic 1911 design. Do I love it, or do I hate it? You decide:







But wait a minute! So far nobody has even mentioned the Super .38 auto. Now that's a story in itself.

Curl




I just want ONE .45.

PS One of the guys at my club, had a STI Trojan in 9mm with a beautiful wooden grip and blued steel frame. It is discontinued,. I want ONE!

A .38 Super would be nice as well. For us bigger than .38 deprived Aussies.




OK seeing this thread is still going.

With the STI Trojan is discontinued, which handgun would be similar for me to acquire in Australia? It will have to be in 9mm.

Please make suggestions. I liked the STI Trojan and shot it well. I want a 1911 handgun. Thanks. Please suggest.

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      #346207 - 26/10/20 03:23 PM

take it easy, buy a FN high power

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Quote:


Quote:


NOW LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THIS THREAD!

Hmmmmm, the classic 1911 design. Do I love it, or do I hate it? You decide:







But wait a minute! So far nobody has even mentioned the Super .38 auto. Now that's a story in itself.

Curl




I just want ONE .45.

PS One of the guys at my club, had a STI Trojan in 9mm with a beautiful wooden grip and blued steel frame. It is discontinued,. I want ONE!

A .38 Super would be nice as well. For us bigger than .38 deprived Aussies.




OK seeing this thread is still going.

With the STI Trojan is discontinued, which handgun would be similar for me to acquire in Australia? It will have to be in 9mm.

Please make suggestions. I liked the STI Trojan and shot it well. I want a 1911 handgun. Thanks. Please suggest.





https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/nighthawk-custom-agent2-commander-review/380529

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      #346234 - 27/10/20 10:59 PM

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With the STI Trojan is discontinued, which handgun would be similar for me to acquire in Australia? It will have to be in 9mm.

Please make suggestions. I liked the STI Trojan and shot it well. I want a 1911 handgun. Thanks. Please suggest.




Quote:

take it easy, buy a FN high power




Quote:


https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/nighthawk-custom-agent2-commander-review/380529




Thanks for the suggestions. But want old school, blued metal and wooden grips.


FN High Power might be a possibility if a second hand model is available. But surely there are more modern makers making something?

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      #346237 - 28/10/20 01:39 AM

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With the STI Trojan is discontinued, which handgun would be similar for me to acquire in Australia? It will have to be in 9mm.

Please make suggestions. I liked the STI Trojan and shot it well. I want a 1911 handgun. Thanks. Please suggest.




Quote:

take it easy, buy a FN high power




Quote:


https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/nighthawk-custom-agent2-commander-review/380529




Thanks for the suggestions. But want old school, blued metal and wooden grips.


FN High Power might be a possibility if a second hand model is available. But surely there are more modern makers making something?




There are a LOT of manufacturers still making the 1911...
Here is a brief sampling of some available..

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-1911-pistols/

https://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/1911

https://www.colt.com/category/pistols

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      #346251 - 28/10/20 08:39 AM

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With the STI Trojan is discontinued, which handgun would be similar for me to acquire in Australia? It will have to be in 9mm.

Please make suggestions. I liked the STI Trojan and shot it well. I want a 1911 handgun. Thanks. Please suggest.




Quote:

take it easy, buy a FN high power




Quote:


https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/nighthawk-custom-agent2-commander-review/380529




Thanks for the suggestions. But want old school, blued metal and wooden grips.


FN High Power might be a possibility if a second hand model is available. But surely there are more modern makers making something?




Yes, the CZ75and the IMI copy the Jericho


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      #346265 - 28/10/20 02:48 PM

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There are a LOT of manufacturers still making the 1911...
Here is a brief sampling of some available..

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-1911-pistols/

https://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/1911

https://www.colt.com/category/pistols




Have to have a look at these. The Kimber sounds like a possibility? I wonder which are available in Australia? Kimber? Will need to look. And of course the Colt, that one makes sense.

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Yes, the CZ75and the IMI copy the Jericho




I did like the CZ75. It was my second favourite club loan handgun. I originally preferred using that one to the STI Trojan. Bit I found I simpler shot just a little better with the Trojan. And I think most people did, as it was in more demand. But a CZ75 is a possibility.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a Jericho? A form of Browning FB Hi Power?

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Yes, the CZ75and the IMI copy the Jericho




I did like the CZ75. It was my second favourite club loan handgun. I originally preferred using that one to the STI Trojan. Bit I found I simpler shot just a little better with the Trojan. And I think most people did, as it was in more demand. But a CZ75 is a possibility.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a Jericho? A form of Browning FB Hi Power?





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWI_Jericho_941

The Jericho 941 is a double-action/single-action semi-automatic pistol developed by Israel Military Industries (now: Israel Weapon Industries) that was launched in 1990.

It was first imported into the US in 1990 by K.B.I., Inc. of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. It was later imported by O.F. Mossberg & Sons and named the Uzi Eagle and by Magnum Research, Inc. as the Baby Eagle until the end of 2008. Some pistols from Magnum Research are marked Desert Eagle Pistol. Despite these names being used in the US market, the Jericho 941 is not related to the IMI Desert Eagle other than its manufacture and design by IMI, and bears only a slight cosmetic resemblance to the larger pistol. From January 2009 until they ceased business in January 2010, K.B.I., Inc. (which also imported Charles Daly firearms) imported the handgun as the Jericho. Magnum Research, now a division of Kahr Arms, announced a renewed importation of the Jericho.

In December 2014, IWI US, Inc. announced they would begin importing both the steel and polymer versions of the Jericho 941 in early 2015.[1]

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      #346280 - 29/10/20 03:16 AM

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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+




Agree with the above..I know I have used this example before.. but years ago I was in pistol competitions shooting bowling pins..could shoot whatever caliber you wanted.. those shooting a 9mm would at times have to shoot the pins 2 to 3 times to get them off the table--not so with the 45acp--if a direct hit, 1 shot was all it took, they were gone.. and yes, all things being equal, if modern bullet design made the 9mm ALMOST as good, then wouldn't that same bullet design also make the 45acp that much better as well?? More marketing bullshit..

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      #346281 - 29/10/20 04:07 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+




Agree with the above..I know I have used this example before.. but years ago I was in pistol competitions shooting bowling pins..could shoot whatever caliber you wanted.. those shooting a 9mm would at times have to shoot the pins 2 to 3 times to get them off the table--not so with the 45acp--if a direct hit, 1 shot was all it took, they were gone.. and yes, all things being equal, if modern bullet design made the 9mm ALMOST as good, then wouldn't that same bullet design also make the 45acp that much better as well?? More marketing bullshit..




For a carry pistol, I respectfully disagree.

First, a bit of backstory. For years on the ranch here we used service pistols to kill butcher stock. Mostly this involved sheep but also included goats and steers. The sheep were sort of semi-wild and shot in various sized paddocks and one corral. Long story short, I had been a great devotee of the .45 ACP till I started killing stuff with one. I used many different service pistol calibers and finally settled on the 9mm as I could see no difference until one got outside the type and into the heavier calibers like .41 and .44 Mag. The 9 was cheaper to shoot, too.

The point being, at the very low energy levels we are dealing with, the 9 and .45 produced no discernible difference in effectiveness. Observers simply could not tell me which round was used unless they saw me load the gun. As I see it, this has implications for concealed carry, as even if we assumed the 9 was somewhat effective {debatable of course} the general type of concealed carry pistol available almost always provides an advantage of magazine capacity to the 9 and while neither are hard to shoot, the 9 produces less recoil and is thus even easier to shoot than the .45. There are numerous examples of felons requiring multiple hits to stop regardless of what caliber the service pistol used was chambered in.

My son sort of summed it up years ago when he said "Dad, after being in on the killing of many critters in the 70 to 250 pound class with service pistols, if I had to go to Afghanistan and had my choice, I'd take the 9 with higher cap magazines every time". I'd do the same thing.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: 9.3x57]
      #346283 - 29/10/20 04:40 AM

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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

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I was running a .45 this weekend.
Nothing wrong with it at all.




WE have a lot of handguns in our house.. as to semi-auto's..NOTHING feels as good in the hand as a 1911.. as least not to me...

The ones available today can be on the spendy side, but they are super reliable, accurate and just plain fun to shoot...




True. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power to my hand have the same grip angle. I like my Glock but wish it had the Colt/Browning grip angle. Points so much more natural for me.

They say technology has made the 9mm almost as effective as the 40 cal and 45ACP. Well the same technology applied to them would make them better again, I would think. After all the bigger the hole the quicker the nervous system is negatively effected and the quicker blood is lost. Remember we are talking slow velocity rounds here not something doing 2500fps+




Agree with the above..I know I have used this example before.. but years ago I was in pistol competitions shooting bowling pins..could shoot whatever caliber you wanted.. those shooting a 9mm would at times have to shoot the pins 2 to 3 times to get them off the table--not so with the 45acp--if a direct hit, 1 shot was all it took, they were gone.. and yes, all things being equal, if modern bullet design made the 9mm ALMOST as good, then wouldn't that same bullet design also make the 45acp that much better as well?? More marketing bullshit..




For a carry pistol, I respectfully disagree.

First, a bit of backstory. For years on the ranch here we used service pistols to kill butcher stock. Mostly this involved sheep but also included goats and steers. The sheep were sort of semi-wild and shot in various sized paddocks and one corral. Long story short, I had been a great devotee of the .45 ACP till I started killing stuff with one. I used many different service pistol calibers and finally settled on the 9mm as I could see no difference until one got outside the type and into the heavier calibers like .41 and .44 Mag. The 9 was cheaper to shoot, too.

The point being, at the very low energy levels we are dealing with, the 9 and .45 produced no discernible difference in effectiveness. Observers simply could not tell me which round was used unless they saw me load the gun. As I see it, this has implications for concealed carry, as even if we assumed the 9 was somewhat effective {debatable of course} the general type of concealed carry pistol available almost always provides an advantage of magazine capacity to the 9 and while neither are hard to shoot, the 9 produces less recoil and is thus even easier to shoot than the .45. There are numerous examples of felons requiring multiple hits to stop regardless of what caliber the service pistol used was chambered in.

My son sort of summed it up years ago when he said "Dad, after being in on the killing of many critters in the 70 to 250 pound class with service pistols, if I had to go to Afghanistan and had my choice, I'd take the 9 with higher cap magazines every time". I'd do the same thing.

Just my $.02.




Your .02 are very well accepted and appreciated

ALL of the special forces guys I train JJ with basically say the same thing for a carry guy..

However when I am on the ranch I carry 1 of 4 normally.. 454 Casull, 44mag S&W Titanium, Kimber 45acp with 4 " barrel, or S&W J-Frame titanium in .357 Mg..

For SD of the 2 legged variety in town or in my vehicle --normally a Glock 19X, Sig 365 or H&K..but all high capacity 9mm..as it seems they are running more in packs now days ..

I really enjoy these discussions.. always good to get more info.. AND I know you are using real world info.. not something you read in a magazine..
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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #346284 - 29/10/20 06:19 AM

+1

Those bigger guns are a definite improvement for sure.

Jack Lott, the creator of the .458 Lott and of course a well-known fan of bigger is better, got curious about the Philippines Insurrection "Charging Moros" story that drove US Army development of the .45 ACP. He wrote an article about it many years ago and totally debunked it. I've got a copy around someplace. The problem w/ the previous guns, the Colt .38 Colts involved really anemic ammo and the guns were junk. Even General Hatcher admitted that. Lott dug into the after action reports and Army personnel were complaining that their M1897 Winchester 12 ga pump guns w/ buckshot and their Krag .30-40's were not always effective at stopping rushes by Moros...so how could the .38 be singled out as a loser!

I have a monograph here on US Army Trials of the 1907 Luger in..... 7.65/.30 Luger. Some of the cavalry units issued these pistols reported "stopping power" as a feature of the gun!

The whole subject is fraught with inconsistencies, contradictions and...as you say...marketing BS for sure!

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      #346285 - 29/10/20 07:41 AM

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+1

Those bigger guns are a definite improvement for sure.

Jack Lott, the creator of the .458 Lott and of course a well-known fan of bigger is better, got curious about the Philippines Insurrection "Charging Moros" story that drove US Army development of the .45 ACP. He wrote an article about it many years ago and totally debunked it. I've got a copy around someplace. The problem w/ the previous guns, the Colt .38 Colts involved really anemic ammo and the guns were junk. Even General Hatcher admitted that. Lott dug into the after action reports and Army personnel were complaining that their M1897 Winchester 12 ga pump guns w/ buckshot and their Krag .30-40's were not always effective at stopping rushes by Moros...so how could the .38 be singled out as a loser!

I have a monograph here on US Army Trials of the 1907 Luger in..... 7.65/.30 Luger. Some of the cavalry units issued these pistols reported "stopping power" as a feature of the gun!

The whole subject is fraught with inconsistencies, contradictions and...as you say...marketing BS for sure!




IF you ever get a chance to dig that article up would enjoy reading that.. really interesting info..

AS to the ineffectiveness of the 38--always found it interesting how many use the .357 Mag. for bears.. same diameter.. just a bit faster.. NO human is as tough as a bear.. no matter what they snort before an attack..

I have shot several deer size animals with a 38 special..had no issue dispatching them..

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #346286 - 29/10/20 09:53 AM

.45ACP worked for me - so did a rifle in .44 Mag. on bears. I never got to shoot a bear with the .44 4", but I'm sure it would have worked a treat.
A .45 Colt in a Win. Trapper M94 worked just fine on 2 elk as well.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: DarylS]
      #346316 - 30/10/20 12:03 AM

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.45ACP worked for me - so did a rifle in .44 Mag. on bears. I never got to shoot a bear with the .44 4", but I'm sure it would have worked a treat.
A .45 Colt in a Win. Trapper M94 worked just fine on 2 elk as well.




OR, the 10mm seems to be very effective..
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2020/10/23/5-reasons-to-choose-a-10-mm-for-self-defense

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Ripp]
      #346366 - 31/10/20 09:07 AM

Gents, some very good info in the above posts. I will disagree with the 9mm been as effective as the 45 as a stopper if using bullets of the same design. If you are dispatching an animal and brain, neck shooting it then yes, both the same. Shooting in the heart/lung area with rounds that are not fast then the bigger calibre damages more tissue and lets blood out quicker so incapacitates quicker. e.g. The Moros in the Philippines. The bullets back then were not much chop and a 45 Long Colt carried a bit more punch than a 38 simple physics. Both tended to just put straight holes and not readily expand . The rifles were probably using FMJ's or hard projectiles so just needle holes, later FMJ technology had the bullets bend on impact so cut much wider wound channel.

I to now days would rather carry a high capacity 9mm or 40cal. Reason for the 40, if shooting a two legged type and going for a brain stem shot from the front a 40 will get through all the bone without deviation, not all 9mm's will. Yes this is a very specific shot but when needed it is needed.

John, the Jericho was copied by Tanfoglio you might know this pistol.


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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Rule303]
      #346379 - 31/10/20 03:15 PM

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Gents, some very good info in the above posts. I will disagree with the 9mm been as effective as the 45 as a stopper if using bullets of the same design. If you are dispatching an animal and brain, neck shooting it then yes, both the same. Shooting in the heart/lung area with rounds that are not fast then the bigger calibre damages more tissue and lets blood out quicker so incapacitates quicker. e.g. ol.




Yep I agree Greg. From my limited and non recent experience with pigs and pistol cartridges I found that big holes matter. A round through the chest of a pig with a 44, 357/38 or a 9 mm all resulted in a dead pig eventually. But the bigger the hole, preferably 2, entry and exit , usually meant the easier and shorter the track.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Rod4861]
      #346505 - 04/11/20 05:21 AM

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Gents, some very good info in the above posts. I will disagree with the 9mm been as effective as the 45 as a stopper if using bullets of the same design. If you are dispatching an animal and brain, neck shooting it then yes, both the same. Shooting in the heart/lung area with rounds that are not fast then the bigger calibre damages more tissue and lets blood out quicker so incapacitates quicker. e.g. ol.




Yep I agree Greg. From my limited and non recent experience with pigs and pistol cartridges I found that big holes matter. A round through the chest of a pig with a 44, 357/38 or a 9 mm all resulted in a dead pig eventually. But the bigger the hole, preferably 2, entry and exit , usually meant the easier and shorter the track.
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That's what she said...

Info for John on some offers from Colt
saw an article this morning they are coming out with a new group of 1911's chambered in .454acp..
https://www.colt.com/category/pistols

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Rod4861]
      #353204 - 08/05/21 12:47 PM

Well they're old and no longer being produced, but I'm fond of the Smith & Wesson 3rd Generation pistols in 45 ACP. The 4586 and 4516. Both are great shooters. They are heavy, but they work...very well.




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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Checkman]
      #353205 - 08/05/21 01:03 PM

Also have this S&W 4513TSW (pre light rail). Picked it up at an auction last year for $500. S&W only made this particular model for two years (97-98) so I was very happy when I located it. It has a double recoil spring making for a very easy shooting handgun, despite the lightweight aluminum alloy lower frame. The photos were taken by the company for auction. The case and extra magazines were part of the package. I like the 45ACP and the pistols made for it. It's not going anywhere.





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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Checkman]
      #353206 - 08/05/21 01:08 PM

The only .45 I've shot other than my 1911 was a couple Bronwings and were just just super. Just as accurate and easy to handle as my Colt. Bit fatter was all. Trade them for the Colt? Now a chance. I had a pair of 11 shot mags for the Colt that worked perfectly.

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: DarylS]
      #353214 - 08/05/21 01:54 PM

Among the pieces that I inherited on my father's passing (1943-2016) is the Colt Combat Commander that he purchased in 1976 from a fellow Idaho State Trooper. Manufactured in 1974 it started life as a blue steel model. In 1978 dad sent it off to Texas and had a hard chrome finish applied which still looks great after forty-three years. I started shooting in 1980 and this was one of the first handguns dad started me out on.




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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: Checkman]
      #353216 - 08/05/21 11:40 PM

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Among the pieces that I inherited on my father's passing (1943-2016) is the Colt Combat Commander that he purchased in 1976 from a fellow Idaho State Trooper. Manufactured in 1974 it started life as a blue steel model. In 1978 dad sent it off to Texas and had a hard chrome finish applied which still looks great after forty-three years. I started shooting in 1980 and this was one of the first handguns dad started me out on.







That's really nice handgun..congrats

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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... [Re: DarylS]
      #353227 - 09/05/21 02:09 AM

Personally Im a fan of 45 LC; I carry at least one everyday. More to the point the best gun/cartridge is the one you have when you need it. Obviously there are better and worse options and some I would choose over others for certain uses; but a 25acp always beats harsh words an an unsharpened pencil

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