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Mauser C96 carbine
      #257606 - 07/12/14 08:15 PM

not every day in auction
a Mauser C 96 carbine in 7,63x25 SN 060, 258 on stock









http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5225870
wonder what this dandy rifle will sell in the end

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #257762 - 12/12/14 06:30 PM

Interesting, i quite like the old pistol carbine's. The ones made for hunting are intriguing and i do believe the Kaiser had one?

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: Ash]
      #257765 - 12/12/14 07:33 PM

this is a very rare C 96 hunting carbine now at 2788 euro and I wonder what it will end. very clever by the seller to give this in an auction that ends four days before christmas when many will fork the money out.

I dont know if the Kaiser had a C 96 hunting carbine too. one of the Mauser brother's make a private introduction for him once for getting an order so its possible they make a presentation broomhandle.
what we know for sure is he had a Parabellum hunting carbine




no, not this gun


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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #258144 - 21/12/14 03:23 PM

auction ends for 2898 euro

looks like the carbine was sold to a french collector

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #265705 - 30/05/15 02:41 PM

another carbine with 16" barrel for sale, seems SN is 043
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5463731













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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #265713 - 30/05/15 05:30 PM

Nice but I think the 1000m sight is a little optimistic.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: Bidgee]
      #265721 - 31/05/15 02:24 AM

It would be a restricted rifle (requiring registration) in Canada due to the semi-auto action with less than 18 1/2" bl.
It could only be legally shot at a range that allows restricted rifles.
Be nice for bunny hunting, wouldn't it.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: DarylS]
      #271818 - 17/10/15 11:36 PM

and again another C 96 carbine for sale, now SN 033, 269 on the stock
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5640519#img













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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #289858 - 04/11/16 11:27 PM

real dandy mauser carbine with a Kahles scope on claw mount





very low SN 12, see it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6PVd_cuWcM

scope mount probably made by Carl Goluch in Linz whats in austria btw, a firm that still exist now in the 4th generation.

http://www.goluch.com/1/doormat/ueber-uns/carl-goluch-1896/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3U19eS62G4


he had a nice .275 rigby for sale
http://www.goluch.com/jagdausruestung/waffen/buechsen.html?kaliber_lieferbar_buechsen=360

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #289890 - 05/11/16 07:40 PM



The Mauser carbine is a very interesting weapon for sure but the Luger is just sublime IMO.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lonewulf]
      #289900 - 06/11/16 10:34 AM

Plus one, Lonewulf, really a beauty

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: TH44]
      #290608 - 21/11/16 10:18 AM

What a great looking carbine. I want one.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: Checkman]
      #292658 - 28/12/16 12:43 AM

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_info.php?cPath=156_170&products_id=49994





















"7.63mm Mauser; 80% blue, good bore, fair stock, 11 13/16'' barrel, Rare transistional production with features not found on standard production examples, a longer chamber area on the receiver, and slightly heavier rails without lightening grooves. Large ring hammer with early variation safety, trigger, extractor and firing pin. This carbine is pictured and described in the book "System Mauser" by John W Breathed Jr and Joseph J Schroeder Jr on page 166. Original blue finish, walnut stock and forend. British retailer markings on left side of frame "WESTLEY RICHARDS & CO. / LONDON". British proofing and "Not English Make" markings on right side of receiver and frame. Top of chamber marked "WAFFENFABRIK/MAUSER/OBERNDORF a/n". Matching serial numbers including the stock, serail number "41". Hooded fixed front sight with fine post and bead. Tangent rear sight also drift adjustable for windage graduated 50-500 meters. The elevation adjustment is marked "WESTLEY RICHARDS &/Co". The metal finish has scattered surface spotting, and some corrosion/minor pitting on right side of frame. Handling scratches and dings. The forend has a split on the left side over the receiver rail and an old sliver of wood missing on the right side at the joint with receiver. The stock has the original checkered hard rubber buttplate. Mechanically fine. The bore has strong rifling, showing frost and some minor corrosion. C&R/FFL, s/n 41 "

and here is SN 042 http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6211895













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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: Bidgee]
      #292674 - 28/12/16 05:53 AM

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Nice but I think the 1000m sight is a little optimistic.




You'd think so, wouldn't you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ3XwizTqDw

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #292942 - 01/01/17 07:25 AM



Nice.

Putting even a removable buttstock on a legal centrefire s/a handgun, converts it into an deadly illegal centrefire rifle per our inane local authorities ... believe it or not ...

Nice old handgun or carbine. Probably quite revolutionary for the time.

One thing few people comment on, was WDM Bell carried a C96 s/a handgun with him into Karamoko territory. I have not refound the reference in his books to it though.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: NitroX]
      #299197 - 18/04/17 05:33 AM

SN 080 http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6432552































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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #321398 - 10/11/18 02:26 AM

its a new made but looks not bad


http://www.wikiwand.com/de/Selbstladegewehr


btw, Herman Historica in Munich had a nice Bergmann pistol carbine in the last auction, never see this before
https://www.hermann-historica.de/de/l/17...mp;currentpos=7








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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #321410 - 10/11/18 08:20 AM

There was one of those Mauser Carbines in a Brisbane Gunshop before 1996 ,I think it was Chinese ,I think the price was something like $875.00 ,was interesting but couldn't think of a use for it

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 500Boswell]
      #364476 - 10/04/22 12:24 PM

Bttt

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #364534 - 12/04/22 11:55 AM

That Bergmann piece is the business - a stunner. It looks like an outstretched arm holding a pistol.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: mckinney]
      #368950 - 03/09/22 10:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilp5XQXdj3c

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: NitroX]
      #368963 - 04/09/22 12:27 PM

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One thing few people comment on, was WDM Bell carried a M96 s/a handgun with him into Karamoko territory. I have not refound the reference in his books to it though.



Old post but yes Bell did speak about his broomhandle Mauser pistol somewhere in "Bell of Africa". It was called 'bom, bom' by the natives and he mentions pulling it out and firing off a magazine clip into the dust in a village where he was resting to intimidate some of the natives who were getting a bit threatening.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: eagle27]
      #382851 - 26/02/24 03:41 AM

still loved in north africa or how to make friends



the russian General Junusbek Jewkurow (left) present the lybian war lord Khalifa Haftar a Mauser C 96 pistol in august 2023

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #382873 - 26/02/24 02:30 PM

Whaaat... didn't give him a Tok?

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: Marrakai]
      #382874 - 26/02/24 04:36 PM

imagine, you sitting on a lot of petrol ... two guys want to be your friend ... one giving you a shabby tok and the other guy a shiny broomhandle


how would you decide?

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #382892 - 27/02/24 07:18 AM

a shiny broomhandle any day!

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #382940 - 28/02/24 01:21 PM

If the US is in teh mix, one would be gib=ving a nice broomhandle and the other telling the dcitator taht he needs to have a DEI program.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 85lc]
      #382945 - 28/02/24 08:50 PM

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If the US is in teh mix, one would be gib=ving a nice broomhandle and the other telling the dcitator taht he needs to have a DEI program.



You also use android auto incorrect.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: NitroX]
      #382946 - 28/02/24 08:52 PM

Do any modern handguns use attachable butt stocks?

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: NitroX]
      #382948 - 28/02/24 09:53 PM

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Do any modern handguns use attachable butt stocks?



Not really current but the Russian Stechkin comes to mind.

Glock makes a plastic shoulder stock more or less for the 18 (Full Auto) for controllability.

Also nearing "modern", the Browning Capitan. I had one for some years (Registered SBR as per US law). The problem is that the stocks really don't do much good. The open rear sight is very close to the eye and thus blurs out for most folks and the long-range sights become quite a joke in practice. With a peep I can see how the C96 and Luger long barrel jobs might work out pretty well or at least present some value.

The Canadian military did extensive testing with their Inglis High Powers and decided the stock was a waste of time. I had plans to write an article about them and did extensive shooting with mine and came to the same conclusion. I could shoot a pistol as well w/o as with the stock. I will say I am a very good pistol shot, so maybe (?) one with really sub-par skills might find the stock useful? The only application I myself found advantageous was when very fatigued. Then it was a quantifiable help. I did this in testing while doing ski sprints. But otherwise...no.



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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 9.3x57]
      #382959 - 29/02/24 04:08 AM

Similar stock to the artillery Lugers (2) we had in the Store in Vancouver, mid 70's.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: DarylS]
      #382960 - 29/02/24 04:20 AM

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Similar stock to the artillery Lugers (2) we had in the Store in Vancouver, mid 70's.



The holster stock.

I made a skeleton rig for carrying it. Similar to the various German & Chinese setups. Heavier leather.





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      #382962 - 29/02/24 05:08 AM

this high power would be the right gun to hunt turkey!


in fact similar to the Mauser C 96 stock. I had both, C 96( in 9 Para) and the long artillery luger with shoulder stocks and love it. sold them 18 years ago but thats another story.
its probably a question of the personal taste but I am a strong believer in the shoulder stock pistol.
imho, its the better submachine gun because full auto is a doubtful capability. in the 90s we had the possibility to shoot on the local military range once a month. one range had bobbing targets, size of a soldier, maybe 1,50 me high. laying on the ground with shoulderstock pistol I was able to hit any target with the first shoot. up to 200 meter without adjusting the sights, simple aim to the head, maybe hiting the knee on 200 meter but the target turn down.

if you don't like this you will not have fun. have shoot the C 96, Parabellum long and short barrel, also the 6 inch long .22 RF insert and the Stechkin APS that having a C 96 type shoulder stock but most times made from bakelite and not from wood.
there are not many shoulder stock pistols, the FN high power, the Lathi pistol, the old bergman pistol and of course the M 1893 Borschardt.

the US short barrel rifle law is stupid but any country have a stupid gun law ot two so does america.

I have something at the planning stage but it will need some time to be ready. you see it here

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #382965 - 29/02/24 12:20 PM

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this high power would be the right gun to hunt turkey!



Strange, but the law here...allows rifles and pistols for grouse...but NOT for turkey!!



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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 9.3x57]
      #382973 - 29/02/24 02:47 PM

That's interesting.
Here in B.C., for turkey, air rifle, rimfire or shotguns only.

Isn't a flintlock rifle a rimfire?

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: DarylS]
      #382978 - 29/02/24 04:00 PM

I had a look and yes the Browning HiPower seems to have a wooden holster, butt stock, similar to the C96. I wasn't aware of that at all.

The Browning HiPower had a good reputation as a handgun. Why did they stop using it?

Australian Military used it, the SASR often did, and many other countries.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 9.3x57]
      #382980 - 29/02/24 04:57 PM

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Quote:

this high power would be the right gun to hunt turkey!



Strange, but the law here...allows rifles and pistols for grouse...but NOT for turkey!!





your high power with shoulder stock is a short barrel rifle so must be legal!

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That's interesting.
Here in B.C., for turkey, air rifle, rimfire or shotguns only.

Isn't a flintlock rifle a rimfire?


flintlock is a stone fire
serious? center fire rifles and muzzle loader are nor legal?

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I had a look and yes the Browning HiPower seems to have a wooden holster, butt stock, similar to the C96. I wasn't aware of that at all.

The Browning HiPower had a good reputation as a handgun. Why did they stop using it?

Australian Military used it, the SASR often did, and many other countries.



dont know if any high power have the notch for the shoulder stock, pre war FN and canadian Inglis have it. a repro C 96 shoulder stock should fit.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #382986 - 01/03/24 12:20 AM

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The Browning HiPower had a good reputation as a handgun. Why did they stop using it?

Australian Military used it, the SASR often did, and many other countries.



Ancient expensive production technology. Worn out tooling. Single Action-only. Controls/manual or arms out of fashion. Glock popularized the radical new approach to gun making introduced by H&K w/ their VP70 & VP70Z and case closed.


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your high power with shoulder stock is a short barrel rifle so must be legal!

dont know if any high power have the notch for the shoulder stock, pre war FN and canadian Inglis have it. a repro C 96 shoulder stock should fit.



Actually, for grouse that's right. It could be used AFAIK. But alas...still not technically for turkey...

Most HP's did not have the stock slot. Some early production did. The Inglis guns did and later some of the later Capitan versions did. I'm not sure if the "bayonet" lug attachment is the same? My stock was actually a Canadian military stock made for the Inglis guns. It was a very tight fit at first. I no longer have it. The 500 meter elevation adjustable front sight was rather optimistic, that's for sure!

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 9.3x57]
      #382989 - 01/03/24 12:59 AM

Quote:

Quote:

The Browning HiPower had a good reputation as a handgun. Why did they stop using it?

Australian Military used it, the SASR often did, and many other countries.



Ancient expensive production technology. Worn out tooling. Single Action-only. Controls/manual or arms out of fashion. Glock popularized the radical new approach to gun making introduced by H&K w/ their VP70 & VP70Z and case closed.




Glock? That's funny. What clown military uses a Block?

No it's because you have to "modernise" to keep the profits flowing into the arms industry owners pockets.

Probably all metal quality construction costs too much. Plastic crap is cheaper.

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: NitroX]
      #382990 - 01/03/24 01:09 AM

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Glock? That's funny. What clown military uses a Block?

No it's because you have to "modernise" to keep the profits flowing into the arms industry owners pockets.

Probably all metal quality construction costs too much. Plastic crap is cheaper.



"Everybody" uses Glocks to some degree or another.

As for business interests influencing design, production & adoption of military weapons, it's always been that way. Business complications and business profits drive weapons design and production.

The HP itself for example was hampered by the necessity to avoid patent infringement on the trigger mechanism and thus it's cobbled-together trigger & poor trigger pull by comparison to some other pistols. It's magazine was revolutionary at the time but suffered from a design flaw rectified by later designs. Cost to produce is no small issue if millions have to be made.

And...the Glock & subsequent designs are easier to maintain and possess extreme reliability and ultra-extreme round count life expectancy. And absolutely...cheaper to maintain.

I've owned piles of HP's over the years and they are excellent pistols, but the SA system is a disadvantage and they are basically obsolete at this point. Expensive to produce and in possession of a few functional disadvantages, the following generations of defensive pistols are just... "better".

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: 9.3x57]
      #384007 - 08/04/24 05:00 AM

C 96 carbine for sale in australia https://usedguns.com.au/gun/260609/

if an original it is in 9x25 Mauser Export and this makes it a canon









price 3490 $ = 2118 euro what would be a also a good price in the fatherland

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Re: Mauser C96 carbine [Re: lancaster]
      #384021 - 09/04/24 11:09 AM

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C 96 carbine for sale in australia https://usedguns.com.au/gun/260609/

if an original it is in 9x25 Mauser Export and this makes it a canon









price 3490 $ = 2118 euro what would be a also a good price in the fatherland



That would be classed as a semi automatic rifle so very difficult to own. Collector only.

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