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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252441 - 20/08/14 11:47 PM

The Australian movie "Gallipoli".



As the whistle blows to leave the trenches.

The following looks like scenes from Eqypt or the Sinai before Gallipoli.





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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252442 - 20/08/14 11:59 PM

Even "Indiana Jones" had a Webley Green, but not a Mk VI

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252443 - 21/08/14 12:01 AM

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Cool. Some good points. Why not copy them to a discussion on the .45 ACP and the 1911 model pistol.




That is a good idea.

Reason it is sort of relevant is that the .455 and .476 were used in the Thompson-LaGarde tests {along with the "Manstopper" loading} and being "big bore" handguns have reputations influenced by that T-LaG. It is interesting that the most lethal infantry forces ever fielded {German Army 1914-1918, 1939-1945} issued the "loser" cartridge in the T-LaGa tests and never once fiddled with replacing it with a supposedly "superior" caliber and for that matter, even more on-topic, a revolver.

There are a gazillion Webleys in the USA and most {?} I reckon have been converted to fire .45 ACP. About 20 years ago quite a number of excellent condition Smiths in .455 came in. Wish I bought one or more. I think the supply of .455 Webleys has about dried up now. Too bad. They are neat old guns.

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252444 - 21/08/14 12:13 AM

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Webley Mk VI .455 revolver and Fairbairn-Sykes commando dagger

The handgun of the Empire, the large frame big bore .455 Webley Mk VI, was adopted in 1915 during the First World War and continued in service until after World War Two. The series originated in 1887 with the Mk I.

The Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, the two edged service knife of the Commandos, the SAS and the Paras in World War Two. The dagger is the centrepiece of the Winged emblem of the SAS.








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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252449 - 21/08/14 01:34 AM

I'd love to know what a modern remake of a Webley would cost today....

The little holster wedges were a nice touch. Our swingout wheelguns can be a pain to reholster in a lot of leather.

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252462 - 21/08/14 05:51 AM

Here ya go, John;

Look close. Caption said "Pakistani shotgun raid":

http://i34.tinypic.com/a2ulqo.jpg

And another Paki;

"Visually inspecting b/c gap";

http://www.armscollectors.com/darra/dhs.jpg

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: 9.3x57]
      #252805 - 27/08/14 10:54 PM

Even the "Blackadder" and co. uses a Webley. The final series was set during WW1.













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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #252829 - 28/08/14 05:29 AM

Yes the Webley has featured in a few movies, the iconic Pink Floyd movie "The Wall" has a sequence where Pink's father cleans his Webley and recharges the cylinder while in his bunker in the trenches. He is later killed in the trenches and then another sequence of Pink as a school boy home alone finding a box of 455 ammo amongst his fathers returned posessions. He takes some of the ammo and along with some school mates put a round on the railway tracks as a train approaches, the exploding 455 round is the cue for another great PF song in the movie.

I had my Webley at the time I saw the movie and also a box of the same ammo so these movie scenes have always stuck in my mind.


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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: eagle27]
      #252960 - 31/08/14 12:29 AM

Great photos. I love the looks of the Webley, but apparently only the Fosberry version can be imported to the U.S. because of something called the 'drop test'. The Fosberry is very expensive and I prefer the looks of the standard issue version. The standard version can be found in the U.S. but at about double the prices seen in the UK auctions.

I have imported several S&W .455s, so at least I have the cartridge of the Empire if not the gun. It is a sweet cartridge.


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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: 9.3x57]
      #253431 - 11/09/14 05:38 AM

I used to carry the Sig Sauer P220 in 45 ACP. In 2006 my department went to a general issue pistol which was the Glock 21 in 45 ACP. However for those of us with small hands (yep I have small hands) we were given the option of carrying the Glock 19 in 9mm. Now I was a longtime 45 fan, but I just did not like the big old blocky Glock 21 grip.I went with the G19. I carry Federal 124 grain +P HST jacketed hollow points in my little Glock 19. That's an impressive round - for a handgun. What's more important is that I'm actually a better shot with the 9mm. That's a big selling point for me.

Handguns are not ideal, but they beat a rock or my ballpoint pen. If I think I'm going into something that might be hairy (and I have time) I pull out my Remington 870 shotgun (12 Gauge). Other officers on my team have AR-15 rifles.

I'm also a big fan of the .357 Magnum, but the days of American police carrying revolvers are over. Even then I'm a better shot with the 38 Special.


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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #253440 - 11/09/14 08:57 AM

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Even the "Blackadder" and co. uses a Webley. The final series was set during WW1.



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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: eagle27]
      #253481 - 12/09/14 02:46 PM

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Yes the Webley has featured in a few movies, the iconic Pink Floyd movie "The Wall" has a sequence where Pink's father cleans his Webley and recharges the cylinder while in his bunker in the trenches. He is later killed in the trenches and then another sequence of Pink as a school boy home alone finding a box of 455 ammo amongst his fathers returned posessions. He takes some of the ammo and along with some school mates put a round on the railway tracks as a train approaches, the exploding 455 round is the cue for another great PF song in the movie.

I had my Webley at the time I saw the movie and also a box of the same ammo so these movie scenes have always stuck in my mind.




I have to have a look for images from that movie too. Thanks.

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #253490 - 12/09/14 04:47 PM

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Quote:

Yes the Webley has featured in a few movies, the iconic Pink Floyd movie "The Wall" has a sequence where Pink's father cleans his Webley and recharges the cylinder while in his bunker in the trenches. He is later killed in the trenches and then another sequence of Pink as a school boy home alone finding a box of 455 ammo amongst his fathers returned posessions. He takes some of the ammo and along with some school mates put a round on the railway tracks as a train approaches, the exploding 455 round is the cue for another great PF song in the movie.

I had my Webley at the time I saw the movie and also a box of the same ammo so these movie scenes have always stuck in my mind.




I have to have a look for images from that movie too. Thanks.




I actually have the movie on DVD but don't know how to take images from a DVD so it will be good to see them posted for posterity.

The old Webley featured and was used in the making of many movies, whereas the 1911 45 Colt Auto featured in many but was not actually used in firing scenes as it could not be made to operate with blanks.
Probably the most famous movie scene where the 1911 45 Colt Auto should have featured in action was the movie "Sergeant York" where the actor playing the part of Sgt York single handedly takes out a pile of Germans, uses a Luger because it could be made to fire blanks. The movie was based on actual events and York used a 1911 45 Auto to carry out his heroic deed. The use of a Luger in the movie must have grated somewhat with many veterans?

At least our anti-hero Blackadder used the real thing

Gun Digest 1985 features a very comprehensive article on the Webley revolver and the ammo for it.


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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: eagle27]
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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #254925 - 09/10/14 07:09 PM




Weapons of the Empire

SMLE No. 1 Mk III, Webley Mk VI revolver, and a very long and nasty looking bayonet!





Standard Mk VII .303 cartridge.

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      #255035 - 12/10/14 04:27 AM



SMLE No. 4 Mk I and a Webley.


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      #255109 - 13/10/14 11:49 PM

For the Scots!




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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #255135 - 14/10/14 10:51 AM

Great photos. Very pretty!

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      #255171 - 14/10/14 08:24 PM

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Great photos. Very pretty!




Thanks.



Webley Mk V revolver with a Sam Browne belt and holster and an officers sword.

Very pukka.

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: NitroX]
      #255221 - 15/10/14 11:27 PM

John,

Are you allowed to own one of these in Oz?

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Re: Handgun of the Empire [Re: CptCurl]
      #255277 - 16/10/14 07:07 PM

Very nice 4" barreled Mark V. Mine was the 4" barreled Mark VI with the same grip shown on the longer barreled MK VI's. Regrettably I never took any photos at the time of it in action.

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      #255283 - 16/10/14 10:55 PM

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John,

Are you allowed to own one of these in Oz?

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Yes, if one can use it for target shooting. I assume the calibre at .455 is OK??? But some bigger bore calibres I thought were banned or restricted??? Will have to have a look at the regs.

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